Alpha Video 5 - 3 sec GCD combat seems slow

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

except for a well designed interface and including quests in the level-up experience, I really don't see what's so "cookie cutter" and "bland" about ARR. Everything i've seen just makes me more eager to play it.

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Many people view the act of taking ANY system from ANY other game, no matter how good or necessary that system is, to be an act of degradation for the game. Clearly a game should have all it's own, innovative systems or else it will fail...or so that's what I get from the forums here.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

except for a well designed interface and including quests in the level-up experience, I really don't see what's so "cookie cutter" and "bland" about ARR. Everything i've seen just makes me more eager to play it.

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Yeah, I'm a bit confused by the negativity. During the 1.0 alpha I completely agreed, but this time it seems odd.

I cannot wait to play!

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Yep becuase you can't see it on this forums lol ops

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You're not as clever as you think.

And my post still stands. Go back and confirm what your source says :p

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

You're not as clever as you think.

And my post still stands. Go back and confirm what your source says :p

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Me being clever now why does your post sound like you being very rude to me? I'm sorry i can't confirm it but once you get your alpha invite go and look it up yourself on the alpha forums. Stop being a asshole to people just because they can't post a source i did went back and confirm it guess what? i still can't tell you what it says but trust me it does make that 3 GCD be noting but a memory.

So does your post still stands? ya i don't think so.

p.s i bet people bitch and complain as much everyone does here to make the GCD be 1.5sec for low level just because people cry to much. By the time ffxiv ARR is release it would be a real WoW clone thanks to everyone crying and making SE change things.

I guess you did not understand what I tried to say in my post.
Anyway, they did not say the GDC will go down to 0.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

I guess you did not understand what I tried to say in my post.
Anyway, they did not say the GDC will go down to 0.

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Once again with other spells having such a long casting time by the time you do other the GDC would be done. Also with people crying like dumbass kids they would lower down the GDC i see FFXIV become a real wow clone if yoshi-p keep listing to the cry babys.

GCD being done before you end casting spells is different than GCD being 0. If it was 0 you could chain spam WS's until you rank out od TP in 30 seconds. I know they said it will become lower, but not 0, as that would've been broken.

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Originally Posted by Klefth

ARR is already on the way to become another bland, cookie-cutter "standard" MMO and there's people that actually want it to be even much more like every other MMO? Seriously people? Seriously? I fear combat will be nothing but a spamfest, and people still want to be able to spam stuff faster? Damn...

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The reason any MMOs become "Standard" MMOs is because players have no idea what they want, a developer gives players something different and they cry, so they change it to take parts from other games, and they cry.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

GCD being done before you end casting spells is different than GCD being 0. If it was 0 you could chain spam WS's until you rank out od TP in 30 seconds. I know they said it will become lower, but not 0, as that would've been broken.

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Once again how can you chain spam ws if you still casting the first spell/ws? by the time the spell/ws is done doing it's thing the OCD would be over then you can cast the next spell/ws you cant' really just do WS or spell top of other you have to wait for the spell/ws to be done just like FFXIV 1.0 version where if i do the long WS from DRG i can get hit by plumes and such from ifrit so it was best to wait for a opening.

And like i said people going to bitch and cry like little kids to make srue the GCD is pretty much useless at high level that they would take it off.

That all i'm saying...

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Many people view the act of taking ANY system from ANY other game, no matter how good or necessary that system is, to be an act of degradation for the game. Clearly a game should have all it's own, innovative systems or else it will fail...or so that's what I get from the forums here.

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Their alpha version is better and less buggy than their 1.0 release version even after several patches. Don't know what people are thinking either.

Also, I don't like to be too nit picky til a game's final beta version. That's when you have to be extremely critical to some systems. The work between that version and release is the most important IMO.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Once again how can you chain spam ws if you still casting the first spell/ws?

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Because the way most games are designed, the animation coincides with the length of the GCD. So regardless of animation, not having a gcd would allow you to chain spells and abilities. XI was a good example of that too, because there were many abilities that you could use in succession without seeing the entire animation, they were usually self-target buffs though.

Global cooldown is there because there are invariably going to be skills that are instantly activated. It's to prevent exploitation via macros that can use up several skills all at once.

It's also used to pace the battle.

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Originally Posted by TomCarroll

Because the way most games are designed, the animation coincides with the length of the GCD. So regardless of animation, not having a gcd would allow you to chain spells and abilities. XI was a good example of that too, because there were many abilities that you could use in succession without seeing the entire animation, they were usually self-target buffs though.

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Yes but not talking about FFXI am i talking about 1.0 Version where you had to wait for the animation to be done before you could even use the next ws which sucked ass for ifrit fight. But i see GCD being lower down because people crying over it that just my point anything SE make people going to dislike and they may change it and make the game a spam fest.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

This is actually a real thing lol

Don't be so quick to dismiss it. Ff's version of this could be "oh, so you play on PS3..."

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I just mean who cares? I sorta hate those elitist people lol, I won't even join a guild/linkshell in a game that requires an application anymore, FFXI Endgame and then WoW Endgame turned me off from 1) The endgame elitist community in most games and 2) any group that's too bossy.

Seriously in FFXI and WoW if you didn't know me from my reputation for being a good player and that wasn't good enough I wasn't interested in joining, I've had linkshell leaders and guild masters hound me into trying to get me to post an application on their websites to which I always said "Nope, not gonna happen, you'd just say I was in a probation period until the end of time anyhow." I much prefer the small group of extremely skilled players who I get along with, who no one has some power trip thing going on, to the endgame groups that are extremely bureaucratic.

As for them not allowing someone in their guild for being a "clicker" that's silly.... Hell I was in a linkshell and our best Blackmage actually typed out all his spells, even his stuns. You could hear him on ventrillo typing away like the dickens. Course FFXI was slower paced than WoW but still. How would the guild even know if someone was clicking anyhow?

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Originally Posted by Klefth

ARR is already on the way to become another bland, cookie-cutter "standard" MMO and there's people that actually want it to be even much more like every other MMO? Seriously people? Seriously? I fear combat will be nothing but a spamfest, and people still want to be able to spam stuff faster? Damn...

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Ironically, most people screaming this will still be here in ARR. They won't follow the "go play that other MMO" advice they so readily hand out. -- Source: Half of the complaint posts.

inb4 "but WE want to play FFXIV!" So do the rest of us, but we want a playable version.

EDIT: Also, the "no clicker" mentality does exist in competitive gaming. However, it's not common enough for anyone to really worry about it. Only the top of the top would downright refuse to accept anyone; most simply won't care as long as you accomplish your job.

3 seconds is fine, and for the record you haven't seen my clicker its got 14 possible button combinations. and the first twelve are usually 1-=.

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Originally Posted by PinkamenaDiane

SE please lower the GCD on battle to make the combat faster and more enjoyable.

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Faster doesnt automatically imply enjoyable. I personally prefer a milder pace that will be assimilated more easily by the majority and focus more on coordination and team play than developing muscle memory to stack more or the same skills in a single minute.

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Originally Posted by PinkamenaDiane

P.S. The guy in the video is also a clicker too, any serious guild would not allow clickers in their guild however he actually has time to hover over his next command due to long GCD.

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Thats the kind of guild i'd run away from. New forms of discrimination every day :p

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Faster doesnt automatically imply enjoyable. I personally prefer a milder pace that will be assimilated more easily by the majority and focus more on coordination and team play than developing muscle memory to stack more or the same skills in a single minute.

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I had a buddy over who was a long time WoW player with me, he was amazed when I showed him the combat in FFXIV because you actually had to think and react to what the monsters were doing, and he said "Yeah that's totally different from WoW where you basically just hit any ability you have when it comes off of it's cooldown."

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Originally Posted by Priya

Ironically, most people screaming this will still be here in ARR. They won't follow the "go play that other MMO" advice they so readily hand out. -- Source: Half of the complaint posts.

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Yeah, I probably will be playing it. The question is, though: for how long? I've never managed to give other games that follow the formula they're trying to apply here more than a month before, so we'll see...

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Originally Posted by Endigiont

I"Yeah that's totally different from WoW where you basically just hit any ability you have when it comes off of it's cooldown."

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Anyone who does that in WoW probably does some terrible dps, because if your not following your classes optimal rotation or skill priority order, or waiting for certain abilities/trinkets to procs to use abilities you will do some really bad damage and people will be able to tell because everyone has recount.

Yes whatever, I was paraphrasing.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

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Originally Posted by Endigiont

"Yeah that's totally different from WoW where you basically just hit any ability you have when it comes off of it's cooldown."

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Anyone who does that in WoW probably does some terrible dps, because if your not following your classes optimal rotation or skill priority order, or waiting for certain abilities/trinkets to procs to use abilities you will do some really bad damage and people will be able to tell because everyone has recount.

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This here is apparently a super pro pvp encounter or something in WoW someone posted in another thread last night. Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but all I'm seeing is the guy trying to keep watch of his target while he spams stuff as fast as he can. You can hear the keystrokes (more like key slamming) and all.

And holy cow, that video couldn't look more hideous.

I agree, 3 sec. is too much. I hope that they lower it.