All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Sep. 20)

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Exploiting? I would farm potions/medicines all day in various locations to make money.. how is that any different from trading in dropped items to resell it to NPCs?

How is it any different from using your rewards from GL to sell?

Because its done so easily and can pull in a lot of money? What about the people who were doing it after spamming dungeons and selling the drops? Now that they can make more money from doing the same thing its an exploit?

Sorry, they can call it an exploit but it was just poor thought on their part when creating this event.

People act like selling GC items for gil is a new thing, its only new because now people are finally reaching disposable seal status. Its also something EVERYONE can do, you dont even have to kill Atomos to do it...

I am not sure why people are crying, the game ends in less than 2 months and they are adjusting prices at 2.0 launch.

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it wasn't "an exploit" for someone to make an item to npc then either. they did call it one and said it as their reason they dropped the amount back then as well. all they should do is make either the price given by the npc dramatically lower or the amount the npc's will buy the drops after. they need to put it inline with the rest of the economy.

remember they call it an exploit anytime you are doing something they didn't intend. they called having high enough dps to kill garuda before astral flow an exploit. they called making too much gil making and selling items to the npc an exploit. using that line of reasoning they have used up to this point would make atomos spamming an exploit as well.

personally they either need to reduce the amount of seals per 4 crystals down to like 250 per 4 or reduce the amount the npc pays for the drops after. along with one of those they need to make it to where you can only check the stone once.

they dont have to completely gimp stop the selling, but they need to make atomos more in line with the rest of ways people are able to get seals.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

when people are exploiting a feature to make millions a day there is a reason for them to fix it.

it's like saying there's no reason they fixed the fish hooks and francesca heads back in the day. people were exploiting it to make profit via npc so they fixed the issue.

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All that does is deal with a symptom instead of dealing with the actual problem. Unless you're a crafter gil isn't exactly easy to make. Money made from leves pales in comparison to what prices are, there's little to no reliable gil sinks in-game (repair NPCs made exponentially worse than crafters for one), and forced rarity (especially in the case of melds and materia) have done a number on prices and the economy. This in turn means some will abuse anything that might seem to be an oversight in the system to make as much money as they can because, hell, they need it.

No idea how to fix it outside of adding gil sinks in game, but of course, since the developers care about crafters, there's only so much they can do on that front. =/

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

it wasn't "an exploit" for someone to make an item to npc then either. they did call it one and said it as their reason they dropped the amount back then as well. all they should do is make either the price given by the npc dramatically lower or the amount the npc's will buy the drops after. they need to put it inline with the rest of the economy.

remember they call it an exploit anytime you are doing something they didn't intend. they called having high enough dps to kill garuda before astral flow an exploit. they called making too much gil making and selling items to the npc an exploit. using that line of reasoning they have used up to this point would make atomos spamming an exploit as well.

personally they either need to reduce the amount of seals per 4 crystals down to like 250 per 4 or reduce the amount the npc pays for the drops after. along with one of those they need to make it to where you can only check the stone once.

they dont have to completely gimp stop the selling, but they need to make atomos more in line with the rest of ways people are able to get seals.

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I believe in their description of exploit it was in reference to the clusters and ways to obtain.. no where in their update in regards to that did they mean trading in seals or reselling dawn drops for money.. they did however mention ways of obtaining items in reference to Atomos..

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Originally Posted by Duelle

All that does is deal with a symptom instead of dealing with the actual problem. Unless you're a crafter gil isn't exactly easy to make. Money made from leves pales in comparison to what prices are, there's little to no reliable gil sinks in-game (repair NPCs made exponentially worse than crafters for one), and forced rarity (especially in the case of melds and materia) have done a number on prices and the economy. This in turn means some will abuse anything that might seem to be an oversight in the system to make as much money as they can because, hell, they need it.

No idea how to fix it outside of adding gil sinks in game, but of course, since the developers care about crafters, there's only so much they can do on that front. =/

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Exactly, they cant really change too much when it comes to items and NPCs without affecting crafting.. so even changing the price on 1 item could cause a ripple in the crafting system..

I totally agree with your statement!

Nooo don't stop the crystals/seals because i'm still trying to get GC gear, but i'm stuck on a mission atm and still need to get that last rank so that i can spend my seals again!!

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

No more relic for 10m?

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I'm sure Toypoodle can help us with that, Right...? RIGHT?!

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Originally Posted by Angelas

They might as well adjust all the med's then, as soon as dawn drops change people will just select the next best item in the GC medicine cabinet and start selling it... lol

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So you want SE to nerf alchemist?
I say just increase the seal cost, ntot change the item

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Exactly, they cant really change too much when it comes to items and NPCs without affecting crafting.. so even changing the price on 1 item could cause a ripple in the crafting system..

I totally agree with your statement!

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It is simple, SE just needs to get rid of the "foundation-NPC", where you trade your Crystals. Not that those NPC's were meant to stay there forever anyways. Problem solved.

I think of this event as a thanks to those still playing.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I think of this event as a thanks to those still playing.

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That's what I had been thinking too.

I hope they end this Twelve-damned event in the maintenance because I'm tired of it being impossible to get anyone to do anything but it.

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Originally Posted by Guevara

well, I got aetherpasses from other 2 cities, got "on properties of beastmen", I got good gear from GC, and have about 30K left on me. I did not buy a single dawn shard.

I can be satisfied.

I only hope they leave the anima thing, cause I was about to start using it to turn crafting leves in and gain the anima back.... thinking of skill-up fast =(

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I was thinking about doing the same for crafting as well.

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you get Aetherpasses for the other cities? I went to Uldah's GC HQ and talked to the seals rewards guy, who basically told me he couldn't help me. I'd love to buy one for Uldah and Gridania.

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Originally Posted by JusticeReborn

I was thinking about doing the same for crafting as well.

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you get Aetherpasses for the other cities? I went to Uldah's GC HQ and talked to the seals rewards guy, who basically told me he couldn't help me. I'd love to buy one for Uldah and Gridania.

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Black market npcs

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Originally Posted by JusticeReborn

I was thinking about doing the same for crafting as well.

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you get Aetherpasses for the other cities? I went to Uldah's GC HQ and talked to the seals rewards guy, who basically told me he couldn't help me. I'd love to buy one for Uldah and Gridania.

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Black market ququrins<sp??> at each respective city, so if your from ul'dah and you would like to buy the grid/limsa ayther passes you'd need to go to the black market NPC at those cities.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Event/Seals/Crystals/DawnDrops nerf incoming.

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That's what I thought when I saw the notice on the front page.

It's sad..I know people that have made 40mil off doing this.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。

アトモスに関連した多数のフィードバックありがとうございます。

開発側でギルの排出量（軍票交換品のギル還元も含め）のデータを観測していましたが、
現状でもギル/軍票排出量が想定以上であるという状態です。

そのため、再度の調整となってしまいますが、明日の朝メンテナンスの上で、
HOT FIXを適用させて頂こうと思います。
主なHOT FIX意図は以下の通りです。

・軍票交換品の店売りギル価格の調整⇒ギル排出量の調整
・アトモス出現判断頻度の調整⇒出現サイクルを抑えることで単位時間当たりの軍票獲得数調整
・低レベル帯に配置されているアトモス周辺のモンスター撤去⇒低レベル帯の導線調整

アトモスの報酬内容には手を加えず、全体のバランスを調整する方針としました。

プレイヤーの皆様にはご迷惑をおかけしますが、よろしくお願い致します。

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the answer is there if you can read japanese

Ah, thanks - I'll have to try that if I can after this stupid maintenance then.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

the answer is there if you can read japanese

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This is what Google translate gives me:

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I am Yoshida producer / director.

Thank you for your feedback related to a number of Atmos.

Had been observing the data (including reduction of replacement military scrip Gill) Gill emissions in the development side,
It is a state emissions military scrip Gil / that is equal to or greater than currently envisaged.

Therefore, I have become re-adjustment and, on top of the maintenance tomorrow morning,
I think we try to apply the HOT FIX.
HOT FIX main intention is as follows.

Adjustment and the adjustment of the price of emissions ⇒ Gil Gil store sales of replacement military scrip
Gain adjustment, the number of military currency per unit time by suppressing the emergence cycle ⇒ decision adjusting the frequency of occurrence of Atmos
Adjustment and removal ⇒ low level monster band conductors around Atmos that are located in low-level range

Remuneration to the contents of Atmos untouched, we decided to adjust the balance of the whole.

We apologize for the inconvenience but to everyone of the players, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

the answer is there if you can read japanese

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From Google Translate:

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I am Yoshida producer / director.

Thank you for your feedback related to a number of Atmos.

Had been observing the data (including reduction of replacement military scrip Gill) Gill emissions in the development side,
It is a state emissions military scrip Gil / that is equal to or greater than currently envisaged.

Therefore, I have become re-adjustment and, on top of the maintenance tomorrow morning,
I think we try to apply the HOT FIX.
HOT FIX main intention is as follows.

Adjustment and the adjustment of the price of emissions ⇒ Gil Gil store sales of replacement military scrip
Gain adjustment, the number of military currency per unit time by suppressing the emergence cycle ⇒ decision adjusting the frequency of occurrence of Atmos
Adjustment and removal ⇒ low level monster band conductors around Atmos that are located in low-level range

Remuneration to the contents of Atmos untouched, we decided to adjust the balance of the whole.

We apologize for the inconvenience but to everyone of the players, thank you.

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Looks like it's definitely Dawn Drops related. And potentially may adjust how often Atomos appears. Which sucks.

From Reinhart, you silly fools:

•・軍票交換品の店売りギル価格の調整⇒ギル排出量の調整
•・アトモス出現判断頻度の調整⇒出現サイクルを抑えることで単位時間当たりの軍票獲得数調整
•・低レベル帯に配置されているアトモス周辺のモンスター撤去⇒低レベル帯の導線調整

•Adjustment to company seal traded item's store selling value > adjustment to amount of gil going out.
•Adjustment to judgment on how frequent Atomos appears > by controlling the pop cycle adjust amount of company seals obtained at one time.
•Removal of monsters around Atomos in low level areas > Adjustment to connection to low level

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Originally Posted by Reika

I think of this event as a thanks to those still playing.

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Too bad people had to ruin it, so yet another nerf is incoming.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

This is what Google translate gives me:

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"low level monster band conductors". I haven't seen any of these :D

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Too bad people had to ruin it, so yet another nerf is incoming.

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In all fairness if this event hadn't been exploited to hell everyone would have stopped doing atomos like a week ago. Either way its good news for the most part, sucks for the people who didn't get all the grand company seals they wanted but at this point the event really should have run its course. I had time to get the 500k achievement on one character and am upwards of 400k total seals on my mule that was only up to the point where i'd joined the grand company in the first place and bought a chocobo.

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Originally Posted by Req

In all fairness if this event hadn't been exploited to hell everyone would have stopped doing atomos like a week ago.

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I honestly think that's what SE was hoping, that it would have played itself out after awhile since most new people were ranking up and capping off and buying gear, so in the natural flow of things it should have died out and everyone return to business as usual.

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Originally Posted by Nero

It is simple, SE just needs to get rid of the "foundation-NPC", where you trade your Crystals. Not that those NPC's were meant to stay there forever anyways. Problem solved.

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Thanks to Reinheart for the translation / update.

It's good to see them adjust the NPC gil situation.

What's weird is as Nero said: Wasn't last year's Foundation Day (and their giveaways) limited to... just 1 weekend? or 1 week at the most?

Right now the Foundation Day Event / NPCs are still up even after 1 full week. Strange.

It should've been over by now anyways IMHO.

So let me get this straight.

A bunch of bastards who are too stupid to take what they give you, bitched about the amount of gil people were making, and now we are receiving a nerf because they are too petty to do it themselves? Or am I mistaken, and they just think it's too easy to get gil because they don't have the time to play and do it like everyone else?

Grow the fuck up. Some people don't have countless hours to waste farming and crafting. An easy way to make gil benefits players who don't have time to play every day. So while you go ahead and make this nerf, be sure to know you're going to piss off a large portion of people just now joining this event.

I've had time to join the people killing atomos only a handful of times, and now you're going to nerf shit? Talk about a big fuck you to some people. Bad move... Real bad move.

While I understand the economy concerns, it's better than having to turn to RMTs. Or would you prefer casual players who have no time do just that? Look at some of the items people sell for 100k that are just normal items you need to upgrade while leveling. Fuck that. The economy is fucked up to begin with. You might as well force us to craft to make gil.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

So let me get this straight.

A bunch of bastards who are too stupid to take what they give you, bitched about the amount of gil people were making, and now we are receiving a nerf because they are too petty to do it themselves?

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So let me get this straight, you're calling the director/producer of this game a Petty Bastard?

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Originally Posted by Kiara

What's weird is as Nero said: Wasn't last year's Foundation Day (and their giveaways) limited to... just 1 weekend? or 1 week at the most?

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2 weeks because of the patch 1.19 delay

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Originally Posted by Elexia

So let me get this straight, you're calling the director/producer of this game a Petty Bastard?

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Take it however you want. I'm pissed.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Take it however you want. I'm pissed.

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Considering it was SE's decision to do something about it rather than listening to people about others making gil, yeah you're basically railing on SE for making a smart move regarding the gil flowing in.

I'm sure you've already worn the event out and made millions of gil, no need to be pissy about them controlling the event that wasn't designed for making "casual players billions of gil" in the first place honestly.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Take it however you want. I'm pissed.

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Because without this you are not able to make gil? I'm sorry, thats too bad for you i guess.

Just a hint, since you have a level50 Class, go and farm. You just need a hour to get a good amount of hides. farm some hides you will get 300-700k a Stack, so if you are not willing to spend a hour up to 2 to farm a little bit, then you shouldnt complain at all.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Because without this you are not able to make gil? I'm sorry, thats too bad for you i guess.

Just a hint, since you have a level50 Class, go and farm. You just need a hour to get a good amount of hides. form some hides you will get 300-700k a Stack, so if you are not willing to spend a hour up to 2 to farm a little bit, then you shouldnt complain at all.

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Making gil isn't the issue. The issue is they're nerfing a perfectly good way to make money equivalent to cruor and dom op points in XI. What's wrong with making gil from an event. So what if that isn't the reason for the event. Farming is all luck based, atleat with atomos your time isnt completely wasted TRYING to make gil. Yea, I can go farm, I've farmed plenty of times before this event and haven't gotten near the amount of gil for a stack of hides as you've mentioned. You're economy on Masamune must really be fucked up.


The only reason you assholes aren't bitching is cause you got what you wanted out of it.

Isn't it a little late for this fix? The economy is never going to recover. Anyone that starts playing now, or didn't have time to sit for hours & buy Dawn Drops for 15 seals at a time, is going to be at a severe disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Making gil isn't the issue. The issue is they're nerfing a perfectly good way to make money equivalent to cruor and dom op points in XI.

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You're telling me the points you spent on those things you sold to NPCs and made exorbitant amounts of money?

It's one thing to sell the items you bought on the AH/Bazaar because it's circulating money around. This is just generating money out of thin air basically and it's going nowhere, causing inflation across the board. While our gil may be being reduced by 90%, it's still going to make the people that took advantage of this that much richer in 2.0. It has to be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

The only reason you assholes aren't bitching is cause you got what you wanted out of it.

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Whats that kind of attitude? Are you 6 years old and mommy isnt watching right now?

Well.. i didnt even buy a single piece of GC-Gear, beside the ones for the Company-Achievement. That was like 5k?! lol.. you seriously dont know what to say, beside bitching around right? I'm sitting at 49k Seals since a loooong Time, i couldnt care less actually about that seal-exchange. Its actually all the way profit for me and the crafting/farming i do, since all those people which never had gil, now spend it faster than they earned it. I had 300% more income last week than usual, just by selling Mats, so yeah.. i aint bitching because i got what i wanted. XD lol

You obviously dont understand the reason why this event needs to be fixed.

Edit: Orophin pretty much gave you a hint about it.

Right, but as someone above posted, it's putting the people who didn't get to make gil off this event at a huge disadvantage. Unless they plan to take their gil, this is pretty much shoving a foot up some peoples asses.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Right, but as someone above posted, it's putting the people who didn't get to make gil off this event at a huge disadvantage. Unless they plan to take their gil, this is pretty much shoving a foot up some peoples asses.

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This event wasn't about making gil...that's why they're changing it. I mean shit, on Sara you can farm diremite webs and yarzon legs and make gil to sustain yourself you're really hurt.

Level Goldsmith and supply Coral Rings for SBing.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This event wasn't about making gil...that's why they're changing it.

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Doesn't matter if that's what it was for or not. It was used for it. And now some people have millions of gil that wouldn't otherwise and it's making a huge disadvantage to players that didn't get to use this method.

You're basically saying "Hey, it's not my fault you had to work and didn't have time to exploit the event. Next time you should lose your job to make gil exploiting the event like everyone else, that way you're not at a disadvantage next time."

That makes total sense.

ITT: Rich people pretending the economy wasn't already in shambles mad at broke people making gil

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Originally Posted by Vaer

ITT: Rich people pretending the economy wasn't already in shambles mad at broke people making gil

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Itt: people who think rich people are pretending the economy wasn't already fucked up.

But hey, when you take away someone's gil printing press, of course you have people who'll bitch. Also:

ITT: People who think printing gil has no effect on anything.