Welcome the new Assistant Director for FFXIV: ARR

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Oh hello detective Barnivere

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hello detective Barnivere

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detective Barnivere

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Originally Posted by Rjain

detective

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Why does everyone call me that? Do I smoke a pipe walking around with a monocle in my eye and wear a brown coat/cape?

As for the negativity, the same can be said for Motomu Toriyama (FFX-XIII-3's director) and Tanaka (FFXI and some of the offline ones) People hold a huge negativity toward these people because they do 1 thing wrong and overlook their major successes (Final Fantasy X AND XI respectively) and somehow consider these people "Dumb" and "Unreliable" now because of these flops.

Now I ask the community this:

"Would you Subject Yoshida and whateverthenewguy'snameis, to the same treatment you all give to Tanaka and Toriyama if they were to make a simple mistake with a FF title?"

Welcome, Kazuya Niinou! :)

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

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Why does everyone call me that? Do I smoke a pipe walking around with a monocle in my eye and wear a brown coat/cape?

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I believe it was Phrozen Sensei in an older thread that made a post calling you detective Barnivere because you apparently researched someone's botting history or something along that line. I'm using it in this case as a joke considering a detective is generally good at researching and collecting information but your post made it seem like you haven't left this bubble called the XIV forums and seen the praise for yourself all over the place.

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Originally Posted by Kirku

LolTanaka. Anybody who thinks hes some kind of expert on Games

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Well, that was easy to find out your gaming history.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

I believe it was Phrozen Sensei in an older thread that made a post calling you detective Barnivere because you apparently researched someone's botting history or something along that line. I'm using it in this case as a joke considering a detective is generally good at researching and collecting information but your post made it seem like you haven't left this bubble called the XIV forums and seen the praise for yourself all over the place.

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*Smokes a pipe* What is this "Praise" you speak of? I see none whatsoever.

I am going to say a few things:

Developing a successful MMO now in days has less to do with your experience having developed an MMO in the past and more to do with knowing your target audience and knowing what works and doesn't work. Yoshi-P had little experience other then playing different MMOs and he is already doing a better job then Tanaka. What's that say?

Proof of this has one name: Tanaka. He was in charge of FFXI for years there is NO reason at allthis game should have failed so bad at launch. It was in development for years, so no excuses. Following the logic of "mmo development experience" It just isn't a fact. He did a terrible job and didn't know his target audience well enough to make what they wanted to see.

Now I don't know about this new assistant director so long as he doesn't have the final say in choices being made and just helps guide the path it should be alright.

MMOs now in days are all about low member content before endgame and even then endgame usually is under 15 people except in the most extreme and hardest content. Then it can be between 20 and 30 usually.

Don't agree with that, that's fine but I know plenty of people that would rather not do a new form of dynamis and would rather run with a 4 person group. Its how many MMOs have over 600,000 subscribers yet if you put FFXI and FFXIV together I highly doubt you'll get half of that.

What we should know is where he stands on many issues having to deal with MMOs as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Completely off the topic but I'll give you points for pretty much summing me up completely. That is how I drive.

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Please don't hit my Cadillac (If you do, I hope you have insurance >_>)

"Niinou later explained how he ended up at Square Enix. Last summer, he had some major health issues and ended up having surgery to remove one of his organs (he did not provide specifics beyond this)."

Square Enix saved his life with a Magitek heart!

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well, that was easy to find out your gaming history.

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Actually Tanaka may be decent at OFFLINE games which is where he should have stayed, but as an MMO developer he was sub-par and laughable at best.

He never paid attention to the community, never tried to find what the players wanted in the game, he very rarely even attempted to balance jobs period. Also it took him how many years to put moogles in Selbina in FFXI? That alone is a third-month release kinda thing not a 5th-6th year update when almost no one leveled in that area anymore.

What people forget, it seems is; Tanaka wasn't the ONLY person that made earlier SE games, he was a member of a team and the member of a team is only as good as their team. Tanaka may not have been the best, but he wasn't the worst.

I do think Tanaka should have stayed with offline games since he refused to accept what the community wanted.

I do however hope this new assistant director knows what the MMO community wants rather then turn into another Tanaka. That is the last thing we need.

Welcome! :cool::cool:

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

I do however hope this new assistant director knows what the MMO community wants rather then turn into another Tanaka. That is the last thing we need.

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Since he is an assistant director and not getting Yoshida's job he doesn't exactly have the authority to turn the project into a pile of crap like the initial release.

For the record, I like Tanaka. I think there were problems with XIV beyond just Tanaka's direction, and some of it was poor executive decision. It was not ready in the slightest to be released. You can't say that Tanaka is good at offline games and bad at MMOs, a game is a game. If an MMO is lacking it's lacking primarily in social structure and that's not what XIV's original problem was.

How about we stop talking shit about Tanaka who has done a lot of work at Square throughout the entire series and stop talking shit about this new director we haven't even met yet and has yet to do anything for the game? Show some respect guys. Tough request to make here I know, but seriously.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

For the record, I like Tanaka. I think there were problems with XIV beyond just Tanaka's direction, and some of it was poor executive decision. It was not ready in the slightest to be released. You can't say that Tanaka is good at offline games and bad at MMOs, a game is a game. If an MMO is lacking it's lacking primarily in social structure and that's not what XIV's original problem was.

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Exactly.

Tanaka shouldn't have all the blame here, he wanted more time and it wasn't given to him, one man shouldn't be blamed for the faults of many others besides himself.
Tanaka had really good ideas for this game, REALLY GOOD (That may never be implemented)
You all didn't forget about this did you?
Cake making, ship battles, etc.
He had no experience in mmos either when FFXI came along, (This was WAAAY before WOW came and kicked FFXI off of it's pedestal) yet it happens to be one of the most profitable in the numbered series of the FF franchise.

You're all so pent up on your Tanaka/ new ASSISTANT director hate, you've all pretty much blinded yourselves to what these people have (And have yet to) provide that got us here now.

Look at what happened to TERA, The Secret World and SWTOR, those games suffer from the same thing that plagued FFXIV in the beginning, yet have the nerve to harp on Tanaka and whatnot as if he's the first MMO dev to make these mistakes.

Look at Funcom and Age of Conan, TSW is having problems reminiscent of AOC and TSW was supposedly supposed to be FUNCOM's redemption mmo, but no, they didn't learn from their first mmo either.

EME and TERA, EME is supposedly made up of NCSoft geniuses (Brian Knoxx) and he hasn't learned from AION and his "Westernization is what everyone wants!
theories.

SWTOR... BIOWARE (Don't even get me STARTED on them)

It's better to have failed ONCE in something, and have learned from it, than to have failed once and fail again not learning anything from your first failure.

When GWII starts tapering off and eventually go on life support, I wonder if people will blame the community and not the developers >.> I guess only people who know more than just playing games found it weird that Tanaka himself said XIV has no release date but want its in 2010, then suddenly it gets a release date mere months after he stated that -- near the end of a financial year where SE didn't exactly have much iirc and having a final fantasy mmo would have certainly boosted it.

That's pretty amusing the last game he worked on was Criminal Girls lol.

welcome new vice producer. the ferocious and audacious, but very

vocal FFXIV community welcome to criticize you for every new move you make

i appreciate the changes that weve had whatever has come and whatever has gone

good luck in your new position and we look forward to seeing what you can do :)

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Originally Posted by Veltaine

welcome new vice producer. the ferocious and audacious, but very

vocal FFXIV community welcome to criticize you for every new move you make

i appreciate the changes that weve had whatever has come and whatever has gone

good luck in your new position and we look forward to seeing what you can do :)

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i feel though for some people he's already DOA

OMG, could not be more psyched!! I ADORE Etrian Odyssey (one of my all time favorite games)!! WHOOT-WHOOT!!! Hell yeah! :D Soooo happy to hear this. ARR is going to kick so much ass!

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Originally Posted by Bowen

Y'know what I hate? When someone goes around saying sh*t like this. This is not the first time you've said it either. You make tons of claims but never support them. GWII is a different game. Let it be it's own game. Let FFXIV be it's own game. They can both be successful without having the other fail.

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My claim supports itself.... Was GWII or MOP in the poll ? What you say no ? Really ? Hmm!

Also nobody is talking about XIV being like or alike GWII... What are you talking about now ?

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

Exactly.

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Will you incubate my babies in your womb?

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Since he is an assistant director and not getting Yoshida's job he doesn't exactly have the authority to turn the project into a pile of crap like the initial release.

For the record, I like Tanaka. I think there were problems with XIV beyond just Tanaka's direction, and some of it was poor executive decision. It was not ready in the slightest to be released. You can't say that Tanaka is good at offline games and bad at MMOs, a game is a game. If an MMO is lacking it's lacking primarily in social structure and that's not what XIV's original problem was.

How about we stop talking shit about Tanaka who has done a lot of work at Square throughout the entire series and stop talking shit about this new director we haven't even met yet and has yet to do anything for the game? Show some respect guys. Tough request to make here I know, but seriously.

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Blasphemy! The director of the amazing Etrian Odyssey could never turn a game to crap! *w* Etrian Odyssey is a beautiful, compelling, and heart-pumpingly challenging game with some really kickass class builds. I hope very very much to see some essence of Etrian Odyssey leak into ARR.

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Blasphemy! The director of the amazing Etrian Odyssey could never turn a game to crap! *w* Etrian Odyssey is a beautiful, compelling, and heart-pumpingly challenging game with some really kickass class builds. I hope very very much to see some essence of Etrian Odyssey leak into ARR.

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That point wasn't meant to say he's a bad director. I was referring to the people who seem to be afraid now that we have this guy on board the game is going to end up going back to being bad.

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Will you incubate my babies in your womb?

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Sorry sir, my womb is reserved for another elezen male. You must fight to the death for it.

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Aster Barnivere approves of Rjain's sig and has laughed her ass off so much she choked on her pipe.

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Since he is an assistant director and not getting Yoshida's job he doesn't exactly have the authority to turn the project into a pile of crap like the initial release.

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I still picture Yoshida putting on the Nabeshin wig and then backhanding people who work under him when they give him bad ideas that would ruin the game.

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For the record, I like Tanaka. I think there were problems with XIV beyond just Tanaka's direction, and some of it was poor executive decision. It was not ready in the slightest to be released. You can't say that Tanaka is good at offline games and bad at MMOs, a game is a game. If an MMO is lacking it's lacking primarily in social structure and that's not what XIV's original problem was.

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Erm...no. Crystal Tools was very unoptimized. This is after the game being in development for what, four years? It lacked content and expected people to want to repeat the same actions over and over again. Class design was considered bland by some. That's not even getting to the map design. A lot of it is technical and development-related. That Wada didn't want to give them more time is on the list as well.

As far as Tanaka, I respect the man for doing what he did during the SNES and PSX eras. I don't and never will like how he handled things in FFXI. From RDM's ruination to letting Utsusemi tanking live to shoddy job balance to adding and forgetting features multiple times over throughout the life of the game and conditioning the playerbase to be skeptical about anything they ever added because there was always a "but" somewhere in there.

I loved Secret of Mana and FF6, but one does not undo the other; they're all just part of the same story.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I still picture Yoshida putting on the Nabeshin wig and then backhanding people who work under him when they give him bad ideas that would ruin the game.

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This is now my favorite thing, ever.

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Kudos on the pic. I'm more amazed that people still know who Nabeshin is. >.>

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Kudos on the pic. I'm more amazed that people still know who Nabeshin is. >.>

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I love Excel Saga what can I say?

ill edit this post when i get home. but OMFG i am going to piss myself at work laughing so hard at these references..... mmmmm

my only issue with tanaka is that he had 5 years to build an MMO engine.. and he built a great engine (but not for an MMO) its too bad really...

(first edit) who was tanakas assistant? this is the first ive heard of assistants in the 2 years ive been playing this game >:O but maybe my heads too far up the games ass to pay attention to the small details lol

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my only issue with tanaka is that he had 5 years to build an MMO engine.. and he built a great engine (but not for an MMO) its too bad really...

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Tanaka did NOT build the crystal tools engine, it was built for PS3 / Xbox 360 games, namely XIII series.

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ill edit this post when i get home. but OMFG i am going to piss myself at work laughing so hard at these references..... mmmmm

my only issue with tanaka is that he had 5 years to build an MMO engine.. and he built a great engine (but not for an MMO) its too bad really...

(first edit) who was tanakas assistant? this is the first ive heard of assistants in the 2 years ive been playing this game >:O but maybe my heads too far up the games ass to pay attention to the small details lol

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The Crystal Tools Engine was built specifically for the Fabula Nova Cystallis (XIII) series.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well, that was easy to find out your gaming history.

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Yea you got me, sure haven't been playing Video games for 20 out of the 25 years of my life, i must not know a good game!

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Kazuya Niinou of Atlus (Etrian Odyssey).

http://andriasang.com/con2js/niinou_square_enix/

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Welcome to the team!

ooook.. so now i understand.. so why was the UI so much cleaner on XIII lol

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

Exactly.

Tanaka shouldn't have all the blame here, he wanted more time and it wasn't given to him,

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Citation needed.

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one man shouldn't be blamed for the faults of many others besides himself.

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Agreed

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Tanaka had really good ideas for this game, REALLY GOOD (That may never be implemented)

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He's still on the development team as a producer.

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You all didn't forget about this did you?
Cake making, ship battles, etc.

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Does not excuse how terrible the base game was on release. Do you not remember the random SP, the Stamina bar, fatigue, crap Gathering/Synthing, no content whatsoever except leves and crap storyline and it remaining that way until a few months after he stepped down? Game was a failure no matter what pipedreams Tanaka had for it.

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He had no experience in mmos either when FFXI came along, (This was WAAAY before WOW came and kicked FFXI off of it's pedestal) yet it happens to be one of the most profitable in the numbered series of the FF franchise.

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And FFXI still has some terrible issues associated with it, namely Jobs being badly balanced (Typecast hard, Ninja tanks, RDM butchered) and engine issues that cause limitations.

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You're all so pent up on your Tanaka/ new ASSISTANT director hate, you've all pretty much blinded yourselves to what these people have (And have yet to) provide that got us here now.

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Yup.

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Look at what happened to TERA, The Secret World and SWTOR, those games suffer from the same thing that plagued FFXIV in the beginning, yet have the nerve to harp on Tanaka and whatnot as if he's the first MMO dev to make these mistakes.

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I don't recall the directors of those games completely ignoring feedback from Beta and even laughing at some of it.

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It's better to have failed ONCE in something, and have learned from it, than to have failed once and fail again not learning anything from your first failure.

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It doesn't seem like he learned much from his FFXI success, either. It seems like he thought FFXI was a failure and tried to do the exact opposite of what it did :X

Either way, FFXIV had good ideas and bad implementation all around at the beginning, but it's changed much since then and is going to change further. No use bringing up Tanaka's past on the project since he is now a Producer rather than Executive.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

He's still on the development team as a producer.

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He doesn't work for SE anymore, he left during Vana Fest.

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I don't recall the directors of those games completely ignoring feedback from Beta and even laughing at some of it.

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During TERA's BETAS players sent feedback regarding things called Boxes of Mischief and Crystals that were missing out of the game, Brian Knox proceeded to say that he had no involvement in the removal of those items (That were a mandatory part of the game and kept it balanced) and blamed the community.

There was a race of child like girls in the game which he proceeded to have censored because of "Unsavory People" would diminish the game. The community made a poll on keeping the unedited versions of the race, he then had the topic erased moments later.

He also has a strong belief that "Westernization is what gamers want" despite half of the content of the game missing, than it's korean counterpart, he's had the same theory since being the producer of AION

Unprofessional and immature community service

Promises of content and that (The NA version will be caught up with it's Korean counterpart) That didn't happen until QOA's patch that was released the 28th
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SWTOR had a decent 6 months of life, but it also failed with an unstable engine, the producer of Warhammer online (another failed mmo) Greg Zeschuk made the same exact mistakes with this game as he did warhammer.

PVP imbalanced, promised content was never brought after 3 months (Past it's deadline)

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TSW was bound for failure once it was released, lack of content, almost every 5 PCs looked the same due to lacking character creation, the controls were wonky, and claimed to be an "action" game when it was just tab target.

I honestly expected FUNCOM to learn from AOC.

These are examples of other Devs with 2-3 mmos under their belt and continuously makes the same mistakes over and over not even learning at all from them.

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Does not excuse how terrible the base game was on release. Do you not remember the random SP, the Stamina bar, fatigue, crap Gathering/Synthing, no content whatsoever except leves and crap storyline and it remaining that way until a few months after he stepped down? Game was a failure no matter what pipedreams Tanaka had for it.

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Yes, I remember all of those things, (Most of the things he had in the game I actually enjoyed, like the stamina bar) All because it was implemented poorly is the reason why the game was a trainwreck, but you can't deny that some of his future ideas for this game looked really good. And just because Yoshida is now the director of this game, doesn't make it any less of Tanaka's brain-child.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

And FFXI still has some terrible issues associated with it, namely Jobs being badly balanced (Typecast hard, Ninja tanks, RDM butchered) and engine issues that cause limitations.

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He no longer works on FFXI as of now, Akihiko Matsui took his place.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

No use bringing up Tanaka's past on the project since he is now a Producer rather than Executive.

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Once again, he departed from SE...

and to add to what Aster said

if you still don't believe that Tanaka left here's the citation needed

http://gamasutra.com/view/news/172966/Final_Fantasy_veteran_Tanaka_leaves_Square_Enix.php#.UEPp75ZuCL0

and here

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/24/hiromichi-tanaka-leaves-square-enix/

there's a lot more just google search it

also he stayed on as an adviser not a producer until he left

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/new...-producer.html

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

He doesn't work for SE anymore, he left during Vana Fest.



During TERA's BETAS players sent feedback regarding things called Boxes of Mischief and Crystals that were missing out of the game, Brian Knox proceeded to say that he had no involvement in the removal of those items (That were a mandatory part of the game and kept it balanced) and blamed the community.

There was a race of child like girls in the game which he proceeded to have censored because of "Unsavory People" would diminish the game. The community made a poll on keeping the unedited versions of the race, he then had the topic erased moments later.

He also has a strong belief that "Westernization is what gamers want" despite half of the content of the game missing, than it's korean counterpart, he's had the same theory since being the producer of AION

Unprofessional and immature community service

Promises of content and that (The NA version will be caught up with it's Korean counterpart) That didn't happen until QOA's patch that was released the 28th
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SWTOR had a decent 6 months of life, but it also failed with an unstable engine, the producer of Warhammer online (another failed mmo) Greg Zeschuk made the same exact mistakes with this game as he did warhammer.

PVP imbalanced, promised content was never brought after 3 months (Past it's deadline)

Unprofessional community service
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TSW was bound for failure once it was released, lack of content, almost every 5 PCs looked the same due to lacking character creation, the controls were wonky, and claimed to be an "action" game when it was just tab target.

I honestly expected FUNCOM to learn from AOC.

These are examples of other Devs with 2-3 mmos under their belt and continuously makes the same mistakes over and over not even learning at all from them.




Yes, I remember all of those things, (Most of the things he had in the game I actually enjoyed, like the stamina bar) All because it was implemented poorly is the reason why the game was a trainwreck, but you can't deny that some of his future ideas for this game looked really good. And just because Yoshida is now the director of this game, doesn't make it any less of Tanaka's brain-child.



He no longer works on FFXI as of now, Akihiko Matsui took his place.



Once again, he departed from SE...

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Lawyered

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Lawyered

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*Gives you a friendly elezen handshake*

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

*Gives you a friendly elezen handshake*

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*receives and gives friendly hyur handshake in kind*

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

*receives and gives friendly hyur handshake in kind*

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*Buys you a nice hot cup of chai* :D