Stop forcing female clothes on me

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I cant say for certain though, if thats just me being tired of the "caster" look XIV tends to go for, rather than it being a specific more or less feminine issue..

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There's a difference between "I would like more variety" to "Stop forcing female clothes on me" lmao.

The easiest way is to remove any gear restrictions when they are used as glams.
The "muh can't have mage using plate" excuse is beyond riddiculous at this point.

I totally agree, I am gay and don't like to cross dress or have feminine clothing on me that much. I am good with everyone having options though but is that taking away from new Male designs and armor ... not sure, I dont know what is going on behind the scenes with staffing / time constraints

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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What ? Yes there is lol. Women and men have different body shapes this is a silly comment

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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Reading these comments was giving me a headache. I'm a pretty liberal dude, but this is the type of thing that black pills people. Idk why anyone is playing these games arguing. We live in the current day, we ALL know what OP meant and to say you didn't or to try and paint them as some bad guy when they are communicating a well understood concept across the globe is asinine.

This isn't a debate over gender roles. OP just wants more masculine clothing. A good example of this is for the new FFXI raids they give us the old Dancer artifact gear, but they ONLY give us the female versions even though there is a male version. No one cares if you can equip it with both genders. Do it and have a blast, but I think their point is fair. I mean in most cases tank gear has some kind of skirt attached. Not a big fan of that either.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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fpbp as usual

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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You know full well there very much are, even clothes that fall into a neutral fashion category like jeans have a different fit to cater for basic anatomy.
If you reject that anatomy exists then societal norms across current day culture will naturally put Men's clothing as more masculine and Women's as feminine, designed to compliment the build.

Just because its rejected which a person has full right to do, doesn't stop it from existing.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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Wow, clothing stores are in some serious trouble.

https://sgbonline.com/wp-content/upl.../layoutb-1.jpg

Are we really expecting the devs - who created an ability that literally overwrites all your glamours and uncontrollably turns you into an ugly ass Angel cosplay - to give a shit about whether the gear is appropriate or not?

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

Also, what about the rebel coats, Neon street set, calfskin set, various new t-shirts, Star crew set, and 2 new bouncer sets? The wintertide set has both long pants and a skirt, too.

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I am very happy about the shirts.
Calfskin is ok.
Starcrew meh, but ok.
Bouncer good.

Rebel coat, neon street set and wintertide make my male character look like a toddler in too large clothes.

I agree everyone should be able to dress fully masculine or feminine if they want too. I have the opposite problem than you op, I often feel like I'm sifting through tons of masculine options with only a handful of feminine. These patches are the first time in a while I've gotten a lot more options. But I think this is a great time to point that despite being on opposite sides, and possibly having different viewpoints, this is a great way to suggest this is why we should have completely unrestricted glams. Cross-job glams can very easily help re: healers leaning towards long robes vs the general more heavy armor of fending/maiming, and making masc/fem variants but allowing them on either body would very easily give everyone the ability to be satisfied with the presentation of their glams.

When I saw that the new alliance raid aiming set had a male variant I was so bummed out like why cant we have both? I know it'll be a big jump but its time to give players the choice. (It would also look good on female characters too!)

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Originally Posted by Bryson

masuline like these guy or nah? which arbitrary time period are we going with as the normative standard for "masculine clothes."

https://imgix.bustle.com/2017/5/16/0...op=faces&dpr=2

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You have got to be joking ? Are you seriously going back 1800 years to try and prove a point on something? They didnt have many clothing options back then its not like they could head down to the store and pick from isle 5 and get the best jeans ever! You have lost the plot. These people struggled in winters and had to wear thick robing to stay ALIVE.

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Originally Posted by Bryson

oof you're not too bright. i'll spell it out.

"dresses,robes, literally anything of cloth (depending how reductive the person's argument is) are often a go to example of "feminine clothing" despite the fact that historically, clothing disproportinately associated with a gender in one time period, has been worn by other genders in another time period. It's almost as if, clothing isn't gendered to begin with.

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Grow up Bryson and do better. Insulting people isn’t necessary.

Y'shtola has great jeans.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

Reading these comments was giving me a headache. I'm a pretty liberal dude, but this is the type of thing that black pills people. Idk why anyone is playing these games arguing. We live in the current day, we ALL know what OP meant and to say you didn't or to try and paint them as some bad guy when they are communicating a well understood concept across the globe is asinine.

This isn't a debate over gender roles. OP just wants more masculine clothing. A good example of this is for the new FFXI raids they give us the old Dancer artifact gear, but they ONLY give us the female versions even though there is a male version. No one cares if you can equip it with both genders. Do it and have a blast, but I think their point is fair. I mean in most cases tank gear has some kind of skirt attached. Not a big fan of that either.

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Some sort of mail skirt (often with additional fabri, is a standard part of plate armour design, it would look weird without that.

http://https://share.google/1BA2XoMgWAMt8xh1r

http://https://share.google/AtiHIopvJGsoe9UWG

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Originally Posted by maidgil

I agree everyone should be able to dress fully masculine or feminine if they want too. I have the opposite problem than you op, I often feel like I'm sifting through tons of masculine options with only a handful of feminine. These patches are the first time in a while I've gotten a lot more options. But I think this is a great time to point that despite being on opposite sides, and possibly having different viewpoints, this is a great way to suggest this is why we should have completely unrestricted glams. Cross-job glams can very easily help re: healers leaning towards long robes vs the general more heavy armor of fending/maiming, and making masc/fem variants but allowing them on either body would very easily give everyone the ability to be satisfied with the presentation of their glams.

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One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by AntoniusQuil

One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Oh I definitely don't think the classic mage/healing robes are inherently feminine. As someone who loves older RPG aesthetics especially. I'm more just disinclined to argue on a forum about something no one here is going to change their minds on and is counterintuitive. I don't share the same viewpoint as OP and some others when it comes to gender and clothing, but I do think freedom of expression is important, and if they feel like its too feminine for them? Shrug. Personally I find most of the examples given in here not anywhere near feminine. But why fight over that?Great then join the rest of us asking for unrestricted clothing! Feedback should be productive and I think more things could be done if we just accept the end result will be same for a lot of people to get what they are asking for.

Look okay, as we all know. The Ancient Romans of the TK Max set the clothing conventions down in stone and they cannot ever, nor should not ever change. Jeans are for barbarians! It's not as if clothing has any kind of current modern cultural relevance or anything!

It's not like we can just accept that people can wear whatever they want but also accept that there are specific social conventions applied to various stitches of fabric!

Culture isn't real! It's all made up! It's a lie! Reeeeeee!

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Originally Posted by AntoniusQuil

One thing I don’t get is why people act like robes are inherently feminine?

Even disregarding irl examples from the past. Robes are a standard clothing of a male mage in fantasy since forever and save for rare few, most caster and healer glams lean into that wizard/mage aesthetic.

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Robes is not necessarily feminine.

But let's look at WHM AF gear, for instance. An AF gear should be always gender neutral, right? But only ARR, SB and DT WHM AF Gear looks good on males.

The problem is not S-E releasing robes. The problem is them releasing robes that's too feminine and not giving casters another set that is more masculine-looking.

And maybe we can see almost same problem with female tanks. They are resistant to release more armors that looks good on woman. Again, to see it let's look at AF gear, but this time WAR. Which of those looks good on a woman body? Why not releasing armors that fits well in feminine curves?

I think all OP wanted is diversity. Because not all healers are girls and not all tanks are boys.

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Originally Posted by maidgil

Oh I definitely don't think the classic mage/healing robes are inherently feminine. As someone who loves older RPG aesthetics especially. I'm more just disinclined to argue on a forum about something no one here is going to change their minds on and is counterintuitive. I don't share the same viewpoint as OP and some others when it comes to gender and clothing, but I do think freedom of expression is important, and if they feel like its too feminine for them? Shrug. Personally I find most of the examples given in here not anywhere near feminine. But why fight over that?Great then join the rest of us asking for unrestricted clothing! Feedback should be productive and I think more things could be done if we just accept the end result will be same for a lot of people to get what they are asking for.

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I’m all for job unrestricted glams, I just wonder what’s the exact reason for them being locked, because with amount of different flavours of all-job glams, I don’t really buy the explanation that it can’t happen due to keeping the job identity.

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Originally Posted by Darty123

What ? Yes there is lol. Women and men have different body shapes this is a silly comment

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people* irrespective of gender have different body shapes. gender has nothing to do with anatomy. You're conflating gender with biological sex.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

Reading these comments was giving me a headache. I'm a pretty liberal dude, but this is the type of thing that black pills people. Idk why anyone is playing these games arguing. We live in the current day, we ALL know what OP meant and to say you didn't or to try and paint them as some bad guy when they are communicating a well understood concept across the globe is asinine.

This isn't a debate over gender roles. OP just wants more masculine clothing. A good example of this is for the new FFXI raids they give us the old Dancer artifact gear, but they ONLY give us the female versions even though there is a male version. No one cares if you can equip it with both genders. Do it and have a blast, but I think their point is fair. I mean in most cases tank gear has some kind of skirt attached. Not a big fan of that either.

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"across the globe" isn't a monolith community. I've lived in countries where it's normalized for men to wear makeup. In the u.s it's really not. What is "masculine" clothing, and what makes said clothes "masculine"? Someone said "skirts are femine" but men (to this day) wear skirts (Lava-lava comes to mind).

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Originally Posted by Bryson

"across the globe" isn't a monolith community. I've lived in countries where it's normalized for men to wear makeup. In the u.s it's really not. What is "masculine" clothing, and what makes said clothes "masculine"? Someone said "skirts are femine" but men (to this day) wear skirts (Lava-lava comes to mind).

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I guess excuse me if i'm completely wrong on this, but name the country because i'm calling BS on this. And if you say Thailand I'll accept it because you baited me in a funny way.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

I guess excuse me if i'm completely wrong on this, but name the country because i'm calling BS on this. And if you say Thailand I'll accept it because you baited me in a funny way.

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I lived in Japan and Korea. It's also not out of the ordinary in China. Surely you don't unironically think there is a single standard across the globe regarding gender that can be projected onto every single culture?

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Originally Posted by Bryson

people* irrespective of gender have different body shapes. gender has nothing to do with anatomy. You're conflating gender with biological sex.

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Men and women are not people to you?

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Men and women are not people to you?

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I changed it to people* because those differences also occur within the same genders. Their argument was one of anatomy and reducing body difference solely down to gender. Anatomy has nothing to do with gender.

an average male from vietnam is shaped differently than an average male from samoa. an average female from china is shaped differently than an average female from latvia.

Did OP ever clarify what these female clothes were?

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Originally Posted by Bryson

I changed it to people* because those differences also occur within the same genders. Their argument was one of anatomy and reducing body difference solely down to gender. Anatomy has nothing to do with gender.

an average male from vietnam is shaped differently than an average male from samoa. an average female from china is shaped differently than an average female from latvia.

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Yeah, we have different shapes in the game too. The races have different body shapes and you can pick male or female character models. If you haven't noticed.

It's ugly who are we kidding? There are very few cool masculine clothing options in this game. It's all cyberpunk/techwear slop or edgelord garbage. There is no in-between.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Yeah, we have different shapes in the game too. The races have different body shapes and you can pick male or female character models. If you haven't noticed.

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I never argued otherwise? All i've said is clothes aren't gendered in it of themselves. In the context of ffxiv, glam can obviously be restricted on the basis of gender, but that's done so arbitrarily.. it's not some objective metric.

LMAO!

https://i.imgur.com/6huaFPE.png

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I get it, more diversity means more happy players. I'm not against it, but I wish I had at least an option. It's insufferable to see certain outfits or even raid glamour created for female characters and just slapped onto males. I dont want to dress my character feminine, please give us better options. Thanks.

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Then don’t use female clothes .nobody is forcing you.if you are bothered what other characters are wearing then I will suggest you start playing single player games where the world and globe revolves around you .don’t expect it in mmorpg

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Did OP ever clarify what these female clothes were?

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Not one example given. And for something that keeps happening more than one would be needed. I think it’s officially rage bait now.

Go the Monster Hunter Wilds route. Have the gear lean both toward the feminine and masculine side, let players toggle which one they want to use. If you don't like the gear in question at all, then there's the glamour option.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Not one example given. And for something that keeps happening more than one would be needed. I think it’s officially rage bait now.

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It's amusing though, you gotta admit.

People bring their own thoughts totally unrelated to my original post.
People tell me what I should do, or shouldnt do.
People assume I'm intolerant after 4 sentences, lol.
Now you accuse me of rage bait?
Everyone here has their own view and everyone thinks their truth is the only one.

If I said, ribbons and ruffles look girly to me, would it matter? No it doesn't, I just don't use the glamour.
If I said, the new Aiming set from the alliance raid suits only Dancer- it just does not fit BRD/MCH. Any points? Not really.
If I said, I do like the new streetwear glam from PVP, would it change anything? No.
My opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's.

In the end, controversies attract interest. And I think, it worked pretty well.

However, there is one truth I am convinced of. If Rathalos M/F | Omega Attire M/F can exist on any body type - then any set can.
Fending/Maiming/Striking+ Aiming/Scouting + Casting/Healing sets share the same models throughout years. Why not add M/F versions, unrestrict glamours from roles and allow anybody wear what they want?

Still though, the forum never ceases to amaze me.

I'm glad this game has been removing gender-lock on a lot of clothing... but I also miss more variety in some areas..

IE, in tank and reaper clothing, I wish I could have more glamours that aren't always big ugly armors (there are very very few exceptions, and ofc I'm not talking about lv1 all jobs)

Overall, I feel there are three main categories:
-very ugly clothing, big chonky armors, "medieval" basics (but the ugliest ever, potato sacks, when they were really cool 'medieval' clothing in the past)
-modern clothing either form 1960 or cyberpunk/teenager/sports clothing
-asian-styled ('far eastern') and tuliyolal/various ethnic mixes (very very few pieces)

The most variety in ages and styles is clothing from some events and mog station

I wish they would put more non-armored non-average-waitress-style medieval and fantasy clothing... the new sets more or less do the thing!

About OP I'm not sure how a masculine man should have that is not already in the game, I always feel 'masculine clothing' is really similar in real life :confused: please share images of clothing you would like to see in the game, I'm really curious

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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LOL, don't be that guy pls. The endless trove of robes for healers, painted decorated nails and clothes with very specific bits of skin shown is what OP's talking about. Don't pretend there's no male/female intent behind that.

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Originally Posted by Miohazuki

Then don’t use female clothes .nobody is forcing you.if you are bothered what other characters are wearing then I will suggest you start playing single player games where the world and globe revolves around you .don’t expect it in mmorpg

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Oh, and why should the game revolve around you then ? The vast majority of the stuff released in recent years has strayed further and further away from what we were getting for a long while, ie more fantasy-related garments.

The Person who wrote this...

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Originally Posted by Bryson

no such thing as female or male clothes.

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...also wrote this:

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Originally Posted by Bryson

tits, small waist, wide hips have nothing to do with gender? are you ok?

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It's no use arguing with someone who can't even understand that men and women do have different bodyshapes and as such, they do need differently shaped clothes. This also true ingame, some of the clothes are clearly designed for female characters to wear them and don't look as good on male characters. Take wide shoulders for example...they totally change how an outfit which was made for a specific bodytype looks on you.

That being said, I can somehow understand the frustration of OP. I feel like a lot of gear, not all of it though, is being designed with female characters in mind, males..not so much, except maybe some glamour sets. Especially if you play a mage/healer. I understand their posts as the wish for more neutral looking gear.