Since Jumping is confirmed, can we fall off a cliff, take damage, etc?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We don't plan on allowing players to jump from very high places where the height of the fall would cause damage. However, jumping from the places where you are able to will not inflict any damage. As for mounts being able to jump, I'm sure you've seen the new screenshots that show the party of adventurers jumping about while on chocobos! :)

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Can Morbols jump?

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Doesn't make sense.

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It makes perfect sense. If there's no invisible walls, you'd be able to jump into places that you can't get back out of, and jump to terrain that was merely meant to be background. It doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We don't plan on allowing players to jump from very high places where the height of the fall would cause damage. However, jumping from the places where you are able to will not inflict any damage. As for mounts being able to jump, I'm sure you've seen the new screenshots that show the party of adventurers jumping about while on chocobos! :)

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Now I'm wondering.... Will Goobbues jump? >.>

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Oh nevermind, i forgot you don't actually play so wouldn't know.

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Said the level 6 carpenter who can't even enter actual battle. :>

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

And if you want to talk about glitchy, look no further than the knockback/draw-in animations in this game, or lackthereof.

Oh nevermind, i forgot you don't actually play so wouldn't know.

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Actually I know about this quite well because I got knocked out of BoE and into a hole in the world before while fighting regular enemies like Hippogryphs and the Buffalo mobs -- It's the first thing I noticed compared to being knock backed in FFXI. When they said glitchy they were referring to the animation itself which at the time, it likely was returning a glitchy animation.

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Q: Can chocobo jump as well?
A:Yoshida: For that my comment will be different (laugh) When chocobo is landing it requires lots of animation so when you jump with it, it’s going to look funny so I’m saying I don’t want it but for those playing foreign MMO they are saying they want to fly while riding chocobo! even if it has cartoon taste and deformed characters but with XIV’s realistic graphics it might not be right. Of course it’s possible to make it fly technically.

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This was his words, not mine -- Obviously they got around it but the reason that it wasn't confirmed at first was because of the engine they personally used with FFXIV -- Just look at FFXIII and XIII-2, the jumping with chocobos was very off at times to the point you wonder wtf is going on.

So yes, MMO A and B does it but that doesn't mean XIV was able to do it and Yoshida explained why it wasn't possible. however they got around it and if you look at the demonstration you can tell they still have some tweaking to do with it.

I support invisible walls on high cliffs, and this is why:

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/5...3743000413.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We don't plan on allowing players to jump from very high places where the height of the fall would cause damage. However, jumping from the places where you are able to will not inflict any damage. As for mounts being able to jump, I'm sure you've seen the new screenshots that show the party of adventurers jumping about while on chocobos! :)

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I hope they change this. One of the best feelings from WoW was jumping off a super high cliff and landing safely in the water below, and swimming around to explore.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I hope they change this. One of the best feelings from WoW was jumping off a super high cliff...

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I concur. It's always great to make super high jumps once in a while.
And, as I said previously in another thread, high cliff could be used in battle to knock monsters down to their death ...or the players. Too bad we'll have invisible walls. :S
I suspect these damned invisible walls are also going to hinder exploration somehow...

But! We got jumping!! I'm so happy about it! Maybe the invisible walls will gradually disappear too someday (3.0)?

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Originally Posted by Neptune

...and landing safely in the water below, and swimming around to explore.

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Well, since we are super adventurers and all, I can see how we would be able to fall safely from a high cliff. However, much higher cliffs would bring our doom, making exploration and combat much more strategic than simply standing anywhere and mashing actions.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We don't plan on allowing players to jump from very high places where the height of the fall would cause damage. However, jumping from the places where you are able to will not inflict any damage. As for mounts being able to jump, I'm sure you've seen the new screenshots that show the party of adventurers jumping about while on chocobos! :)

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if a Gobbue Mount jumps does the ground shake a little when he lands? and if a gobbue jumps in the middle of the woods when no one is around will someone hear it?

Being able to be knocked off a ledge would make an interesting battle mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So yes, MMO A and B does it but that doesn't mean XIV was able to do it and Yoshida explained why it wasn't possible.

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Turned out it was possible though... what's your point exactly?

FFXIV has jump, FFXIV has animations. So it stands to reason it was never impossible to have jumping animations. Don't blame me because you believe everything Yoshi tells you.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Said the level 6 carpenter who can't even enter actual battle. :>

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Um no.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Turned out it was possible though... what's your point exactly? FFXIV has jump, FFXIV has animations. It was never impossible to have jumping animations. Don't blame me because you believe everything Yoshi tells you.

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What are you even going on about?

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Um no.

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Um, yes. You say she doesn't play, yet you're a level 6 Carpenter commenting on battle mechanics -- see the hypocrisy?

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

What are you even going on about?

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The fact that you said it would be impossible to have chocobo jumping animations. You may recall you replied to me, so then i replied back to you.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Um, yes. You say she doesn't play, yet you're a level 6 Carpenter commenting on battle mechanics -- see the hypocrisy?

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You can have multiple 50s and still have lvl 6 carpenter, fyi.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

The fact that you said it would be impossible to have chocobo jumping animations. You may recall you replied to me, so then i replied back to you.

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I've never said it was impossible, reread the post you oh so gracefully decided to skim over.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

You can have multiple 50s and still have lvl 6 carpenter, fyi.

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You can still be a hypocrite and try to save face fyi.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

I've never said it was impossible, reread the post you oh so gracefully decided to skim over.

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Oh, you said "wasn't possible" not "impossible". Such a big difference there.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You can still be a hypocrite and try to save face fyi.

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But i never was.

This thread has gotten...strange. Btw I find it ridiculous to compare WoW to Final Fantasy. The two are entirely different, from graphics to overall presentation. WoW's lets you jump off super high cliffs because its a cartoon. FFXIV is not a cartoon, but leans more towards realism. As a result, allowing you to jump off a high cliff would be highly immersion breaking, since it would not make any damn sense in that world. It's like Yoshi said, it would kill you.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Um, yes. You say she doesn't play, yet you're a level 6 Carpenter commenting on battle mechanics -- see the hypocrisy?

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since were "jumping" topics here.. WHA????

battle mechanics and crafting..... how do those 2 have any relevance in his opinion on playing? if anything, you should refer to his join date, not his "crafting" job thats going to affect his battle. lol

im just stumped


but as to the jumping off a cliff, hey, it will relieve my stress from the terrible grass, right :p

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

This thread has gotten...strange. Btw I find it ridiculous to compare WoW to Final Fantasy. The two are entirely different, from graphics to overall presentation. WoW's lets you jump off super high cliffs because its a cartoon. FFXIV is not a cartoon, but leans more towards realism. As a result, allowing you to jump off a high cliff would be highly immersion breaking, since it would not make any damn sense in that world. It's like Yoshi said, it would kill you.

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Actually it's an MMO, but ok. I guess graphics are the leading thing that determines if something is realistic or not eh? Fight dragons? Realistic. Cast magic? Realistic. Get hurt when you fall? WTF that's not realistic AT ALL! I prefer to be able to fall from as high as I damn well please without taking any damage, because I prefer my games realistic.

Isnt having jump added enough for you jump lovers, you want ffxwow, go fcking back to wow cliffs and jump of them, or dual ffxiv and wow, that way you can jump of cliffs and die.

I personally think they dont want to allow our characters to die, as it is we get knocked out but never die. Maybe that is where the idea of realism comes into play.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

We will still have invisible walls on huge cliffs, and other large obstacles. Before jumping, those weren't immersion breaking, but they will be afterwards.
"Be careful what you ask for" is the lesson here, I suppose.

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They always were immersion breaking and they still will be in ARR.
While I really want to be able to move freely I also understand Yoshida's thoughts and why we won't get jumps from high places.
But I wished we at least wouldn't have invisible walls but something like what chocobos do at the town entrance - they "see" where you are going, remember they are not allowed in town so the stop and walk a few steps backwards.
Very intelligent birdies :o
I wished my character was this intelligent in front of a 80 Yalm cliff as well instead of running against an invisible wall for minutes or hours. That would at least be a way more beautiful way to implement the "you are not allowed to die here".

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Actually it's an MMO, but ok. I guess graphics are the leading thing that determines if something is realistic or not eh? Fight dragons? Realistic. Cast magic? Realistic. Get hurt when you fall? WTF that's not realistic AT ALL! I prefer to be able to fall from as high as I damn well please without taking any damage, because I prefer my games realistic.

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What are you talking about? Its not just graphics, but overall presentation. WoW is a cartoony universe. What about that is so hard to understand? Just look at the bloody surroundings, how things are modeled, the animation, the textures. All of that screams cartoony.


And really you are acting like a buffoon. Realism does not imply everything has to be true to life. On the contrary, you can have a universe that is entirely different than our own, but still be realistic from our point of view. For instance I can have a world where Dinosaurs are roaming around, dragons fly through the air, and particles of magic exist, but gravity still applies..just like our world. Everything superhuman would require an explanation, like a spell to increase speed or a potion that gives humans the ability to fly. There are varying degrees of realism in every facet of fantasy so please don't make such inane arguments.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

I personally think they dont want to allow our characters to die, as it is we get knocked out but never die. Maybe that is where the idea of realism comes into play.

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Ifrit burns you alive, but falling off a cliff, heaven's have mercy!

I would prefer more freedom even dying from a cliff than having invisble walls... ;)

you forgot to say "Shove your loved one off a cliff for being mean to you in a dungeon run"

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Realism does not imply everything has to be true to life. There are varying degrees of realism in every facet of fantasy so please don't make such inane arguments.

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I think the realism Yoshi is talking about is the graphical realism. Judging by the way our character's move and live, Eorzea's gravity seems to be pretty much the same as the real worlds.
Therefore a character would die if he jumped down a high cliff, but with the graphical level FFXIV is at, a bloody mess would have to be at the bottom of that cliff.
And I doubt SE wants to lose the rating for 12 year olds and get a mature rating instead..^^°
So it's easier to just not allow us to jump down.

So many people who want to comit suicide ingame "i want to jump off a cliff" tztz* where did our society went

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

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Chocobos already scale according to heigh of character, so animation can be uniform for each race.

... So it's definitely nonsense to say S.E. can't add jump to a chocobo if they wanted.

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I'm sure there's only one race of Chocobo, I don't see why they have to be scaled to fit the size of every character. Shouldn't they all be the same size?? You think that's very realistic? To see a Lalafel on a normal sized chocobo wouldn't break any hearts, only have me cry of laughter,lol! Or a Rogue with his/her own chocobo carrage! Super funny!

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Originally Posted by Syris

If we can jump I hope we can fall.

Something that I always loved about FFXI for its time was that the world felt dangerous. ...

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I wouldn't say "fear', I'd use more the term "respect" and "be aware" of your surroundings.

Seeing how accessible the world has gotten since BETA release, I'd say there's NOTHING to fear (or respect) from the world of Eorzea! The use of jump can have so many uses and functions, I just think the creativity in the DEV or good leadership of the producer isn't there. Give us the option to jump off cliffs or into deep waters! If we're not careful or suicidal, so what, there's no exp panalty and no one cares about the FFxiv environment. The worse thing that would happen is, our gear would suffer 50~100% dmg.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

We don't plan on allowing players to jump from very high places where the height of the fall would cause damage. However, jumping from the places where you are able to will not inflict any damage. As for mounts being able to jump, I'm sure you've seen the new screenshots that show the party of adventurers jumping about while on chocobos! :)

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Consider you have all your classes to 50 and it would be hard enough for you to death-warp from a mob to your HP because you don't have/ or want to use anima. It's your choice to "jump off a cliff/ drown yourself" man! "death warp"!

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Now I'm wondering.... Will Goobbues jump? >.>

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Hell no! No jump piles or moss around me! No thanks!

It makes sense for Chocobo's to jump (and I like that!) with their wings flaping and trying to fly,lol but I see no sense for Gobbues to do anything.... (maybe attack and frail their arms at aggressive mobs, though they don't do that either) Gobbues GTFO!


That would be so rediculous, so I hope not. I'm also fed-up for their lack of usefulness.

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Originally Posted by Shift

I support invisible walls on high cliffs, and this is why:

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/5...3743000413.jpg

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Here's also a good idea: Fish food! LOL!

SE could also combine /sit + /fish (you only have a standing animation when you catch something)

See, nothing should be imposible! Take away the invisible walls and "glass-ceilings" (see what I did there)