Mr. Yoshida, About the Glamours

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

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While I Can't say I quite agree given how some NPCs run around, I understand where you are coming from and why. Thanks for the insight, your answer is appreciated!

I hope people are okay with ROG/NIN running around with all sort of glamour combinations possible in the game from skimpy bikini to golbez heavy armor, then :p

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I do agree I believe some of this to be true, the thing is, maybe the emergency is now, while the game is still healthy but is losing players. We know it's losing players. recovering players is harder than keeping them, and they won't come back just because they unlocked glamours, but it may keep a lot of them from leaving to begin with and keep them in the game.

The worse thing they can do is wait until its too late and noone wants to come back regardless of what changes they make.

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I will not disagree to that. I was just expressing my distaste against their stubbornness.

Not sure how dressing up in plate armour would be awkward for a BLM, when there's people running around as giant frogs, elephants or even power rangers.

What gets me is why they can’t just do both lol.

Keep JSE/AF job-locked then ‘unrestrict’ every other piece of equipment in the game.

Then players have a ton more freedom for glamour options and they can continue having a unique aesthetic or whatever tied to each job. Best of both worlds! Maybe?

Chaotic aiming set is the only god damn robe there, a really ugly one too. Why am I getting a robe but not casters/healers? (or literally anyone else)

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

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To each their own. I love seeing tanks that are in "normal" clothes (as that kinda fits with Warrior; being so angry that you can tank without any armor, and Squall never had armor on for battling with his gunblade so somewhat fits the style of gunbreaker) and have an interest in mages being geared up for battle in armor to a degree.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

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Hasn't this ship sailed though? the game's aesthetic has degenerated to the point where this is no longer true, and hence, a decision has to be made. Given we know the majority of the playerbase would be against restricting back up so the game looks cohesive it is better to go the other way and make it so people aren't locked out.

Leaving it as it is won't make you happy, because you already have a 60% chance of finding at least one player wearing a troll costume to a fight and it sure as heck doesn't make the majority of players happy because there are some genuine pieces that would make for a good outfit they can't use because of these restrictions.

Sure I'll give you this, in a world where tanks still looked like tanks it would make a good case to preserve this integrity, but the integrity, we can all agree, is no longer there.

When this system was being made I was against unrestricted because of the photo on the first page, but.. we have the photo on the first page so why does it matter now? May as well unlock it. The devs ruined the only reason you'd want to restrict that stuff, sans maybe artifact armor but even then.. dunno. I do feel they went 'yolo' with the presentation of our characters, already.

I would honestly prefer a cohesive image that was more carefully crafted, that ship started to sail fairly early on but was 'okay', but as of now... my god it's gone and turned to dust. I would be against the restrictions required to be added now, as it would be massive lockdowns and whiplash.

However, I do like the trust system for this reason. They're awful at their combat, but they're good for me to have a carefully crafted 'first time'. I really don't care when I've done it 100 times lol, but that first time the image on the first page would honestly ruin the visual experience.

Responding to bump this. I want to add that in lore the glamour system is an illusion. So a person isn't actually wearing the clothes we see projected. I do love that jobs have their own style but certain pieces could be used in other outfits without breaking that aesthetic. Also, we should be open to the idea of more eccentric personalities. A healer who wears full plate armor isn't outside the realm of possibility. Maybe they take on dangerous jobs and the armor is essential to their survival. And the idea peaks my interest.

Yep this is needed at this point.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I just don't want to see roles wearing armor that resemble other roles. I want tanks to look like tanks or wearing tank armor respectivly. I find it a bit annoying to see healers in tank armor etc.
And yes, I'm a bit "sad" that they broke their convention with the sky pirate replicas.

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I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

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It is important for the developers to know that leaving the game as is not doing a service to the purists who want a consistent game aesthetic nor the people who want an open glam game. So right now this is not satisfying any demographic.

Instead of making everyone mad, they should please one side or the other, that is, make the game look cohesive again which I find almost impossible or free up the game to make the other side happy. All I'm asking is that SE makes at least one side happy instead of frustrating everyone. The middle is not a good place to be with this issue.

Same as Guild Wars 2 did, they already gone overboard with the real life clothing stuff. It’s still supposed to be a somewhat medieval/steampunk-ish world, yet every second guy you run into looks like he’s fresh out of downtown L.A.

Every time I see someone with that fanny pack-around-chest piece glamed I get an urge to alt f4 the game.

Wish they communicated more directly

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Hasn't this ship sailed though? the game's aesthetic has degenerated to the point where this is no longer true, and hence, a decision has to be made. Given we know the majority of the playerbase would be against restricting back up so the game looks cohesive it is better to go the other way and make it so people aren't locked out.

Leaving it as it is won't make you happy, because you already have a 60% chance of finding at least one player wearing a troll costume to a fight and it sure as heck doesn't make the majority of players happy because there are some genuine pieces that would make for a good outfit they can't use because of these restrictions.

Sure I'll give you this, in a world where tanks still looked like tanks it would make a good case to preserve this integrity, but the integrity, we can all agree, is no longer there.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I'm the same as you: outfits that come out of the fantasy world I have in my head tend to disturb me. I hate soubrettes and other wacky ‘disguises’ (frogs, I hate you).

But then... In practical terms, in a game like FFXIV where you can dress up in modern clothes (leather jackets, jeans, converse) and other... Well, there's not much point in limiting glamour any more. If visual consistency is important to you, you're already obliged to ignore a good proportion of the glamours you come across IG. In that sense, allowing people to expand their mirage boards won't really have any impact.

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I don't really have a problem when someone wears the pig, elephant, frog or whatever costume. There is no class for example whose armor is generally based on the look of pigs, elephants etc. so there can be no confusion in that regard. But when someone wears a class or role armor it should be the one corresponding to the class or role currently played.

So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X". But when someone wears a tank armor for example, you should be able to think "he/she is wearing tank armor, so it is a tank". So in my opinion it shouldn't be that you can't even recognize classes/roles anymore based on the class/role armor they are wearing.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Same as Guild Wars 2 did, they already gone overboard with the real life clothing stuff. It’s still supposed to be a somewhat medieval/steampunk-ish world, yet every second guy you run into looks like he’s fresh out of downtown L.A.

Every time I see someone with that fanny pack-around-chest piece glamed I get an urge to alt f4 the game.

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I quit GW2 precisely for this. People stacking infusions to become essentially walking glowsticks, uninspired gemstore, nerfs to istan (guys we don't want you farming all the time! We care about your health! NYOOO). It really felt pointless.

I quit around Path of Fire. I returned abit for End of Dragons but then quit. I got tired of the loop of 'farm gold to get gems or craft legendary' 'burn out, quit' 'come back, farm gold'. The game genuinely looks ugly and I miss the HoT days...

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Well, its literally because CS3 are stubborn and immune to feedback. Yoshida himself said that they won't do it because they want some resemblance of visual integrity (which, looking at screenshots in this thread, and considering the abomination that is the Fall Guys Event, is a joke and a half.). So I can't say the frustration with the devs is entirely unwarranted.

Official response from Yoshi-P during the Dawntrail Media Tour Q&A about unrestricting glamour (07/06/2024):
https://i.imgur.com/P5ajsrF.png


@OP
consider putting a like and a bump on this big thread too. I heard the devs love big threads :> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ther-jobs-sets

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"It would feel awkward say if a Black Mage jumped into an instanced dungeon with full plate armor."
Anyway here is my black mage's impression of a gladiator/paladin https://i.imgur.com/vHdkbaL.png

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I don't really have a problem when someone wears the pig, elephant, frog or whatever costume. There is no class for example whose armor is generally based on the look of pigs, elephants etc. so there can be no confusion in that regard. But when someone wears a class or role armor it should be the one corresponding to the class or role currently played.

So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X". But when someone wears a tank armor for example, you should be able to think "he/she is wearing tank armor, so it is a tank". So in my opinion it shouldn't be that you can't even recognize classes/roles anymore based on the class/role armor they are wearing.

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That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

People stacking infusions to become essentially walking glowsticks

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The ones that look like walking particle pollution abominations are those showing off their excessive gold or bought them for sake of annoying other players.

Very tiniest few of those that actually got them from specific world boss drops. Most of those sell em for the obnoxious amount of gold they're worth instead.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Well, its literally because CS3 are stubborn and immune to feedback. Yoshida himself said that they won't do it because they want some resemblance of visual integrity (which, looking at screenshots in this thread, and considering the abomination that is the Fall Guys Event, is a joke and a half.). So I can't say the frustration with the devs is entirely unwarranted.

Official response from Yoshi-P during the Dawntrail Media Tour Q&A about unrestricting glamour (07/06/2024):
https://i.imgur.com/P5ajsrF.png


@OP
consider putting a like and a bump on this big thread too. I heard the devs love big threads :>
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ther-jobs-sets

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Oh I absolutely agree with Yoshida, I would like to keep some visual integrity in this game...shame the developers themselves have no qualms about throwing modern kpop outfits, school uniforms and contemporary real life fashion into the game themselves, then plastering everything in Neon Lights straight out of Cyberpunk 2077 and rounding it off with goofy animal mascot costumes.

Many years ago I would've absolutely said that no, you shouldn't be able to wear Paladin plate armor on your caster, that look is tied to it's defensive value and you are about as sturdy as wet tissue paper. That has slowly shifted to "you at least shouldn't be able to wear job specific armor, since it's aesthetic is directly tied to that one job.", because it obviously wasn't a feasible position to hold anymore.

But XIV already has about the same visual cohesion as games like Tera and BDO, so I really don't care anymore.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Oh I absolutely agree with Yoshida, I would like to keep some visual integrity in this game...shame the developers themselves have no qualms about throwing modern kpop outfits, school uniforms and contemporary real life fashion into the game themselves, then plastering everything in Neon Lights straight out of Cyberpunk 2077 and rounding it off with goofy animal mascot costumes.

Many years ago I would've absolutely said that no, you shouldn't be able to wear Paladin plate armor on your caster, that look is tied to it's defensive value and you are about as sturdy as wet tissue paper. That has slowly shifted to "you at least shouldn't be able to wear job specific armor, since it's aesthetic is directly tied to that one job.", because it obviously wasn't a feasible position to hold anymore.

But XIV already has about the same visual cohesion as games like Tera and BDO, so I really don't care anymore.

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Exactly, at this point it doesn't matter anymore. And believe it or not I would be happy if the game was visually cohesive. I do struggle to get into it sometimes because of the dumb stuff people are wearing all the time. So its not like I don't get it. What I hate though, is that having ruined the games cohesion already, we still have limitations as an extra middle finger to the players. At this point just let us be happy with whatever because it's obvious we're not going back.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

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Agreed.

One of my friends plays White Mage as their main job. Their usual 'outfit' of choice is the fierce tyrant's attire
https://i.imgur.com/0EHqOcb.jpg

So, as you say, the statement made by the person you quoted has already been defeated.

And in terms of their comment "So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X" - no, I think they look stupid and have no idea what class/role they're playing because they look ridiculous and I therefore really don't care what class/role they're playing.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

That’s okay though, the cat is still out of the bag because you can wear heavy plated armor by all classes that they sell in the cash shop, like the heavensward, aymeric attires and all the heavy plate armor that looks extremely tanky from PVP. Similarly; tanks can wear several early level robes plus the cash shop items that look more mage like.

So regardless, your statement has already been defeated by the games allowances on gear already. You will be equally confused if someone shows up wearing heavy plated armor mail from PVP as a white mage as you would be with any regular tank piece.

Given this reality, there is no reason to keep restricting the remaining armor, as it makes no sense to allow healers to wear plate mail while not allowing healers to wear plate mail. We have reached the contradictory nature of the current state of the game.

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I know that there are already cases where armor doesn't fit the classes who are wearing it. But that doesn't mean I'm in favor of them continuing it with more armor in the future.

Not really a big thing, but my 2 cents:

The only glams that should be restricted should be the specific class armors; the early end-game-freebee armor at each expansion.

That's... it.
YoshiP's quote of "it would feel awkward say if a Black Mage jumped into an instanced dungeon with full plate armor" when Papalymo literally had plate arms is...a joke..right? Even their own NPCs don't adhere to this rule.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

I know that there are already cases where armor doesn't fit the classes who are wearing it. But that doesn't mean I'm in favor of them continuing it with more armor in the future.

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Ironically enough though, unrestricted glamour would actually help the job image in many cases… a DNC shouldn’t have to wear cowboy gear just because they’re part of Aiming, when there’s some great Scouting pieces that would fit their aesthetic better. A PCT should be able to look different than a BLM. RPR doesn’t want to look like a DRG most of the time. The AF gear is the only gear that really plays up to the job image, the rest of it just groups jobs together in ways that might make sense for their play style but definitely not their aesthetic.

Ultimately I’d like to see it all unrestricted. My WoL has all classes maxed, all this gear is already in her closet, so to speak. But failing that, I’m more than happy to accept keeping AF gear job locked, or even go with the old “Disciples of War/Disciples of Magic” split they’ve done in the past. Even though they have also made older gear “All Classes” in the past, and let’s face it, some of these role restrictions are totally arbitrary and have nothing to do with the job/role image at all.

This is an all classes glam:

https://i.imgur.com/GPnU4Ys.jpeg

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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

This is an all classes glam:

https://i.imgur.com/GPnU4Ys.jpeg

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Yeah I would have no idea what job you are just by looking at that. Only with your weapon out and/or battle stance would I be able to. And I say that as even with the weapon and stance, I remember one time seeing a male hyur dark knight in a very samurai-looking glam in Castrum Meridianum, honestly couldn't tell they were a dark knight until the particle effects or when I looked to the left to see the jobs of the party composition.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Agreed.

One of my friends plays White Mage as their main job. Their usual 'outfit' of choice is the fierce tyrant's attire
https://i.imgur.com/0EHqOcb.jpg

So, as you say, the statement made by the person you quoted has already been defeated.

And in terms of their comment "So again, when someone wears a pig costume or a bikini, you don't think "he/she is wearing that 'armor', so it is class/role X" - no, I think they look stupid and have no idea what class/role they're playing because they look ridiculous and I therefore really don't care what class/role they're playing.

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Honestly that is a very versatile piece. I use it for a WHM glam too, and theres plenty of heavy armor that doesn't look out of place in caster classes.

https://i.imgur.com/d57Xrnb.png