MMO addiction

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

If you are still begging for others things after playing for 10 years maybe play the actual game rather than begging for peoples things on the forums

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Pure White Dyes are expensive. It doens't matter how much I play, I will take free gil lol.

As far as the topic - I like the game so I still play. When I'm bored, I don't - since I'm not addicated. I just come here less when there isn't anything I'm interested in complaining about - as that what this forum seems to focus on.

I'll probably be more active in 7.2 when Wuk returns and I'll get another 200 posts about that or so.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's not because you're older. People of all ages make lots of friends in this game. At the end of the day, you either know how to make friends in this game or you don't - age has nothing to do with it.

I made a post recently about ways to find social interaction. I've written such posts occasionally through the years https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6626688

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Thanks for that read. I have come to the conclusion that the reason I "find it hard" to make friends is because I just don't care enough. I'm burned out from MMOs and really only casually play this one due to my "loyalty" to the Final Fantasy franchise. I have a bunch of wonderful friends on other games I play that are (at least for me) more fun. I dislike the mundane combat system in this game so there is little incentive to try to want to make friends to clear content with.

Like I said, thanks for the great read cuz it did help to clear things up.

complaining about some aspects of the game doesn't mean I dislike the game

Wild to comprehend I know.

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Originally Posted by RyoXander

I was definitely addicted to FFXI, but not XIV; it's too casual (which I love now). I remember when I played XI I had a ton of friends and the game was very social. I never got that same feeling with 14 and instead have had just a very small circle of friends. Now its just me and one other close friend who joined an FC that has very nice people in it. Idk why I find it so much harder to make friends in this game. Is it cuz im older? who knows lol.

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This game is oddly very anti-social. In that they have designed quite a few systems that seemingly discourage player interaction. In every other MMO I've played, the moment you login you get hit with system messages notifying you of important events as well as telling you every single public chat channel you've entered based on your location. This game doesn't have city wide chat, all cities chat, regional chat, or a global chat channel. FFXIV has "zone wide" chats, but the game doesn't explain this system to you at any point in time. FFXIV has decent little "tutorials" on their website, but at no point in time playing the game does it direct you to these resources. Use /shout chat? O, it doesn't reach the other half of whatever main city you're in because that's a separate instance. Your dungeon just popped and at the same time you see someone request a service/ask a question in a local chat channel. Nope, you can't send private messages in a dungeon/instance either.

This game has some of the worst, if not the absolute worst, UI bloat in any game I've played and the onboarding process for a new player has got to be nuts at this point, let alone if they've never played an MMO, and even worse if they've played very few games in general. Imagine constantly getting hit with tip boxes every time you do something new, on top of trying to just learn the general flow of the game, and you don't even know how to ask for help because the game obfuscates how to actually talk to other players instead of defaulting you into /1 General zone chat, unlike every other MMO I've ever played.

The one social activity available to even do in a nice chill way (maps) has to have been nerfed so hard into the ground that its gotten to the point of full party groups now down to just duo.
22 maps, 5 portals, times gotten past room 2... twice, past room 3 ? Once.

I am sure they got nerfed, "Let us make these coffers rare by making it so that no-one wants to do the content anymore".

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Originally Posted by Connor

Am I the only one who thinks that people complain about FFXIV so frequently precisely because they care a lot about it? People don’t generally dedicate their time to thinking about things they straight up do not care about.

Every person who makes a complaint does so because they want something they care about to improve. I mean, isn’t that the whole point of complaining? To hope it might instigate change or convince others to do the same?

Personally I wouldn’t class blatantly malicious or otherwise ‘invalid’ / ‘misleading’ / ‘troll’ or whatever else people do these days to stir up internet drama as being the same as a ‘genuine complaint’.

I.E
‘This game is trash and it’s probably going in the ground where it belongs and I’ll dance on its grave if it ever does’ - not a ‘genuine’ complaint because it’s just trying to be incendiary and doesn’t really seem like they care what happens
‘This game is dying and it’s because of ‘X’ content it needs this, this and a little bit of this!’
- it’s overdramatic lol, but by indicating specifically what they want to change it’s more apparent that the person wants things to improve, so it’s still a ‘genuine complaint’ because it’s coming from a place of wanting things to change for the better (regardless of what the feedback ends up being lol).

That’s what I think anyway. Whether people are ‘addicted’ or not is one thing, but I think the constant stream of negative feedback comes from people who actually do (in one way or another) truly care about the game’s future. Not to say that their feedback is always going to make sense or should always be followed lol

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Yoshida said himself that the people that are loud as they're leaving are the ones that still care, but the majority will leave without saying a word.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Yoshida said himself that the people that are loud as they're leaving are the ones that still care, but the majority will leave without saying a word.

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Exactly, and according to some folks, once all the loud complainers who still care leave, FFXIV will apparently enter its "Renaissance." Because, you know, nothing fuels innovation and progress like silence and indifference, right?

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

I can almost guarantee you that every single person who posts on this forum, did so because they had a complaint to make. This forum does not build a positive response from a base of players, it generates eternal victims and pessimists. That's not to say that there aren't good people here, but this forum is not the reason for it. You get out what you put into something and people can feel it on the other side.

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it's really important for players to leave feedback (especially critical feedback) for developers and designers so that they can understand the playerbase's point of view. it may seem like it's just more negativity that is blown out of proportion, but in reality a lot of this game (and many other games for that matter) may have not changed if not for feedback in the first place

the game even tells players to leave feedback through the forums so obviously people are gonna make noise about things they don't like

i understand your perspective and i do think some people could express their feedback in a much healthier way, but i think i'd rather them speak their mind than not, at least from a designer point of view


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anyway i wanna take longer breaks from this game but for some reason my feeble brain can't stomach the idea of losing my virtual house, so instead i find enjoyment by achievement hunting w/ friends and playing with random streamers on twitch

I have my beefs with the game, but I do think people are overblowing a lot of it. I mostly just play nowadays to raid + MSQ though, with raiding just being an excuse to get together and have some fun with people (I wouldn't bother raiding if it was all PF with randos, for example). But that's just kind of natural, aside from 2.1-2.4, I've basically been playing this since the launch of ARR.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

Exactly, and according to some folks, once all the loud complainers who still care leave, FFXIV will apparently enter its "Renaissance." Because, you know, nothing fuels innovation and progress like silence and indifference, right?

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It's amusing how they think if the current complainers leave there won't be any more complaining. As if no future patch will disappoint the people who choose to stay now. But if they care enough to bicker with people who are complaining about the game now, there is a high chance that one day they will care enough to let the devs know why they are dissatisfied with the game. Then the biggest white knights will be on the receiving end of being told to just shut up and leave. I would know. :p

as much as i agree that FFXIV needs help. Holding SE hostage by mass unsubbing or posting these kinds of threads will not make them act faster. as a company they have strict time schedules and (i would assume) content is constantly being checked for its stability. if everyone unsubbed and demanded SE did better they would just put the game on lockdown for 2 years like they did with 1.0

i know this advise sucks, but just wait till 8.0 before the majority of these glaring issues are dealt with, the backlash is around every corner, and i'm sure they're more than aware of it. What we need right now, in the 11th hour is TRANSPARENCY from the devs about what's actually going on with the game

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

as much as i agree that FFXIV needs help. Holding SE hostage by mass unsubbing or posting these kinds of threads will not make them act faster. as a company they have strict time schedules and (i would assume) content is constantly being checked for its stability. if everyone unsubbed and demanded SE did better they would just put the game on lockdown for 2 years like they did with 1.0

i know this advise sucks, but just wait till 8.0 before the majority of these glaring issues are dealt with, the backlash is around every corner, and i'm sure they're more than aware of it. What we need right now, in the 11th hour is TRANSPARENCY from the devs about what's actually going on with the gam

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The problem is, some of the problems have already been there for several years. Critics about content, and how the removal of relics and exploratory zones - basically the only long term content the game had - began to grow during 6.2 (released on august 23 2022) and exploded during 6.3 (released January 10 2023). Basically it's already been 2 years, and the solution would be to wait at least 1.5 years more (probably closer to 2 with the current patch cycle). They had time to plan their calendar better for DT, and chose to change.

Also, game wasn't put on lock down for 2 years in 1.0. The whole point was to make the 1.0 better to not lose the client they had, while developping another version of the game from scratch. And to not lose those clients, they discussed with them and took their feedback. Thing they don't seem to do anymore. One of the remark I often see is how every lessons from 1.0 have been forgotten. Like transparency.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

as much as i agree that FFXIV needs help. Holding SE hostage by mass unsubbing or posting these kinds of threads will not make them act faster. as a company they have strict time schedules and (i would assume) content is constantly being checked for its stability. if everyone unsubbed and demanded SE did better they would just put the game on lockdown for 2 years like they did with 1.0

i know this advise sucks, but just wait till 8.0 before the majority of these glaring issues are dealt with, the backlash is around every corner, and i'm sure they're more than aware of it. What we need right now, in the 11th hour is TRANSPARENCY from the devs about what's actually going on with the game

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

at this point me and my boyfriend are waiting for community riots or streamers calling for mass unsub before i will act. but trust me when i say. i AM waiting for it and when they do. i will happily unsub too
ive had to watch every fc i love die since early endwalker, and 90% of my own stopped logging in because of content desertification. if things dont change soon S.E its gona be too late.

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Hmmm, weird.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I actually still enjoy the game in earnest after 7 years, thank you very much. I simply don't burn myself out everytime a patch launches and I burn through all content within 10 hours and then be like "man what a patch" until the next content drops.

Good brisket is slow-roasted.

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MSQ: 2 hours. Not repeatable.
Alliance raid: 40 minutes once a week
Pelupelu quests: 5 minutes once a day

Wow! So much to do!

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot the main piece of content this patch, doing the same 10 minute fight 50 times in a row to get a mount.

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Originally Posted by radpeepo

it's really important for players to leave feedback (especially critical feedback) for developers and designers so that they can understand the playerbase's point of view. it may seem like it's just more negativity that is blown out of proportion, but in reality a lot of this game (and many other games for that matter) may have not changed if not for feedback in the first place

the game even tells players to leave feedback through the forums so obviously people are gonna make noise about things they don't like

i understand your perspective and i do think some people could express their feedback in a much healthier way, but i think i'd rather them speak their mind than not, at least from a designer point of view


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anyway i wanna take longer breaks from this game but for some reason my feeble brain can't stomach the idea of losing my virtual house, so instead i find enjoyment by achievement hunting w/ friends and playing with random streamers on twitch

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The forums do help give information yes, don't get me wrong. But there is also an issue that I see where mundane posts are met with emotionally charged responses when the primary function of this place should be a public forum for information exchange and not a social media site that spends 3000 pages beating a dead horse. It's like this forum flipped over on it's head.

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Originally Posted by Emitans

MSQ: 2 hours. Not repeatable.
Alliance raid: 40 minutes once a week
Pelupelu quests: 5 minutes once a day

Wow! So much to do!

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot the main piece of content this patch, doing the same 10 minute fight 50 times in a row to get a mount.

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It is both hilarious and distressing that my problems with 7.1 (and the state of the game as a whole) could be written so succinctly. Well done.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I actually still enjoy the game in earnest after 7 years, thank you very much. I simply don't burn myself out everytime a patch launches and I burn through all content within 10 hours and then be like "man what a patch" until the next content drops.

Good brisket is slow-roasted.

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Honestly, there is hardly a burnout aspect when any 'long-term' content is currently exclusively within raids, and where anything outside of that is a 2 hour ordeal at most. There is not enough being produced, unless you're quite literally playing the MMO as little as humanly possible. I could go on any game right now, play it for 30-45 minutes per day and go, "Man, that game almost took me a month to complete".

Doesn't make it any better, all that is happening is an infrequent amount of playing to substitute for content that is stretched thinly as humanly possible, and distributed in the worst way humanly possible.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I actually still enjoy the game in earnest after 7 years, thank you very much. I simply don't burn myself out everytime a patch launches and I burn through all content within 10 hours and then be like "man what a patch" until the next content drops.

Good brisket is slow-roasted.

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Glad to see you still enjoying it!

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

Would they even want to keep developing for two platforms if the mobile version ends up more successful? Or would they just gradually reduce investment in the retail version until most players migrate to the mobile one?
Another thing to consider is that XIV mobile could be built from the ground up without the legacy code from 1.0. That would essentially make it FFXIV v̶2̶.̶0̶ v.3.0, which could make implementing new systems and features much easier in comparison.

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Just to clear up one misunderstanding here: "They" are not developing a mobile version of this game, one of Tencent's game development companies is doing so. Square Enix is investing nothing further than oversight into the mobile game. Well, that and the storyline/art assets. The underlying code is pretty useless for a mobile game.

Tencent is paying Square Enix for the rights to produce the mobile game.

And the primary audience for the mobile game is China. I expect there will be a 'translated' version eventually, in much the same way that Honor of Kings was converted for play outside of China.

Honestly the story sucks now. Yet I enjoy ex, dungeons, fishing, arcadian raids, new ff11 dungeon, soon ro be chaotic alliance, and other things not mentioned. There is more to this game than the garbo ( yes ur beloved expansion is really not worth the effort they msde for its budget ,and wuk lamat honestly is not MC material. Honestly not sure how they fumbling this hard when Hildebrand does this in spades.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Honestly, there is hardly a burnout aspect when any 'long-term' content is currently exclusively within raids, and where anything outside of that is a 2 hour ordeal at most. There is not enough being produced, unless you're quite literally playing the MMO as little as humanly possible. I could go on any game right now, play it for 30-45 minutes per day and go, "Man, that game almost took me a month to complete".

Doesn't make it any better, all that is happening is an infrequent amount of playing to substitute for content that is stretched thinly as humanly possible, and distributed in the worst way humanly possible.

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Man i wish i could live in the bliss u all live in cause damn Pso2 ngs got this worse than ff14. Anyone who been with ngs knows the only content that game really gets is AC scratch lol aka u gotta spend money on fashion.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

Man i wish i could live in the bliss u all live in cause damn Pso2 ngs got this worse than ff14. Anyone who been with ngs knows the only content that game really gets is AC scratch lol aka u gotta spend money on fashion.

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PSO2 being worse than FFXIV is frankly an irrelevant whataboutism.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

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Who is paying who, was never disclosed. For all we know, it is a joined venture. With CBU3 overseeing the project so that it stays true to the FFXIV experience, whatever that means nowadays.

And, the primary audience is not China, it's everyone who has a smartphone.

Here is a small overview, done by ChatGPT for anyone interested:

Square Enix has officially announced the development of Final Fantasy XIV Mobile, a mobile adaptation of its popular MMORPG, Final Fantasy XIV. The project is a collaboration with Lightspeed Studios, a subsidiary of Tencent known for developing PUBG Mobile. - MASSIVELY OP

Funding and Development:
Lightspeed Studios, whose core founding members are dedicated Final Fantasy XIV fans, initiated the project by presenting a comprehensive proposal to Naoki Yoshida, the game's original director and producer. This collaboration aims to faithfully recreate the Final Fantasy XIV experience on mobile platforms. - MMORPG.COM

Monetization:
Final Fantasy XIV Mobile will adopt a free-to-play model. Notably, it will not include gacha mechanics, which are common in many mobile games. The developers have emphasized that players can enjoy the game fully without heavy monetization, though specific details on the monetization strategy have yet to be disclosed. - SILICONERA

Target Audience:
The mobile version is designed to appeal to both existing Final Fantasy XIV players and newcomers who prefer gaming on mobile devices. It aims to provide a comprehensive MMORPG experience, including combat, crafting, gathering, and mini-games like fishing, Triple Triad, and Chocobo racing, all optimized for mobile play. - POCKET GAMER

Initial playtests are scheduled to begin in China, with plans for a global release thereafter. The development team intends to make adjustments based on player feedback to ensure a polished experience upon worldwide launch. - FINAL FANTASY XIV

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Just to clear up one misunderstanding here: "They" are not developing a mobile version of this game, one of Tencent's game development companies is doing so. Square Enix is investing nothing further than oversight into the mobile game. Well, that and the storyline/art assets. The underlying code is pretty useless for a mobile game.

Tencent is paying Square Enix for the rights to produce the mobile game.

And the primary audience for the mobile game is China. I expect there will be a 'translated' version eventually, in much the same way that Honor of Kings was converted for play outside of China.

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If Yoshida was being honest, he's been overseeing most facets of it, monetization included. That isn't nothing, especially if he was being honest all the times he's talked about being spread thin to the point he rarely looks at what the XIV team is doing.

FFXIV endgame is all about making your own fun, but you kinda have to seek out content you wanna do. For me right now it's doing Pelu and Namazu Beast Tribes so I can finish all Stormblood tribes, farming shb fates for the new adventurer plates (this grind is insane btw), and even trying FRU. If I get bored of these I can do other stuff like leveling crafters and gatherers, and other stuff I put on hold from finding them boring. But these old grinds I set aside may be a change of pace from the new grinds I've been doing.

Yeah, I'm an MMO addict. I have been since my idiot friend introduced me to WoW in 2010, and since then I've been unable to get enough of the genre.

Unfortunately, WoW lost its soul.
GW2 is one bad quarter away from maintenance mode (according to hearsay).
OSRS is too easy, and too grindy.
EVE is too hard, and an order of magnitude more grindy.
ESO is too poorly balanced and maintained.
Destiny 2 is a FPS wearing the skin of an MMO.
Everything else is too low quality, has too few players, is in maintenance mode, has shut down (RIP Wildstar), or is just an action RPG with an auction house.

FFXIV, despite its problems, is the last place left for me to get my fix.

I wonder if I'll ever find enough sense to go cold turkey?

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Yeah, I'm an MMO addict. I have been since my idiot friend introduced me to WoW in 2010, and since then I've been unable to get enough of the genre.

Unfortunately, WoW lost its soul.
GW2 is one bad quarter away from maintenance mode (according to hearsay).
OSRS is too easy, and too grindy.
EVE is too hard, and an order of magnitude more grindy.
ESO is too poorly balanced and maintained.
Destiny 2 is a FPS wearing the skin of an MMO.
Everything else is too low quality, has too few players, is in maintenance mode, has shut down (RIP Wildstar), or is just an action RPG with an auction house.

FFXIV, despite its problems, is the last place left for me to get my fix.

I wonder if I'll ever find enough sense to go cold turkey?

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Destiny 2 isn't even an FPS any more. It's a seasonal ARPG that happens to contain guns and be played in first person. I mean, have you seen their newer arena designs? There is next to zero effective cover anywhere. You're expected to build into one of several healing-centric keywords and sustain through damage now instead of avoiding it. The good builds are all ability-centric, to the point where you use your grenade and/or melee ability more than your guns. Speaking of your guns, unless you're using a heavy weapon or the current FotM rocket sidearms, your guns at their core are worthless without the right perks. And "the right perks" are either the ones that are just plain strong on their own, or are the ones that trigger the aforementioned keywords.

They had to buff exotic primary damage by something like 40 or 50 percent recently just to get people to start using them again, because the meta had shifted to the point where build-defining guns couldn't even make the builds they used to define function properly. You had to get a legendary with the right perk to keep using builds that worked just fine in years past.

I also find it funny that people call it an MMO. Sure, there are dungeons and raids and a heavy emphasis on group content in endgame, and item level and different classes. It's got all the trappings of a standard MMO. But the playerbase itself is beyond antisocial. The overwhelming majority of group content attempts in that game are done via pugs and the game itself gives you next to no reason to build social connections or even utilize your friend list.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

Man i wish i could live in the bliss u all live in cause damn Pso2 ngs got this worse than ff14. Anyone who been with ngs knows the only content that game really gets is AC scratch lol aka u gotta spend money on fashion.

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Love to wait 6 months for content that's literally "the same thing you were doing but with bigger numbers" and getting a new gacha every other week. Quality game! Which sucks, because the gameplay is actually really fun.

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Originally Posted by ArchlordPie

Destiny 2 isn't even an FPS any more. It's a seasonal ARPG that happens to contain guns and be played in first person. I mean, have you seen their newer arena designs? There is next to zero effective cover anywhere. You're expected to build into one of several healing-centric keywords and sustain through damage now instead of avoiding it. The good builds are all ability-centric, to the point where you use your grenade and/or melee ability more than your guns. Speaking of your guns, unless you're using a heavy weapon or the current FotM rocket sidearms, your guns at their core are worthless without the right perks. And "the right perks" are either the ones that are just plain strong on their own, or are the ones that trigger the aforementioned keywords.

They had to buff exotic primary damage by something like 40 or 50 percent recently just to get people to start using them again, because the meta had shifted to the point where build-defining guns couldn't even make the builds they used to define function properly. You had to get a legendary with the right perk to keep using builds that worked just fine in years past.

I also find it funny that people call it an MMO. Sure, there are dungeons and raids and a heavy emphasis on group content in endgame, and item level and different classes. It's got all the trappings of a standard MMO. But the playerbase itself is beyond antisocial. The overwhelming majority of group content attempts in that game are done via pugs and the game itself gives you next to no reason to build social connections or even utilize your friend list.

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The game's also on its last legs. Only the Steam numbers are publicly visible, but one platform losing over 200k people(312k peak to 80k peak) in 4 months is remarkably bad.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Yeah, I'm an MMO addict. I have been since my idiot friend introduced me to WoW in 2010, and since then I've been unable to get enough of the genre.

Unfortunately, WoW lost its soul.
GW2 is one bad quarter away from maintenance mode (according to hearsay).
OSRS is too easy, and too grindy.
EVE is too hard, and an order of magnitude more grindy.
ESO is too poorly balanced and maintained.
Destiny 2 is a FPS wearing the skin of an MMO.
Everything else is too low quality, has too few players, is in maintenance mode, has shut down (RIP Wildstar), or is just an action RPG with an auction house.

FFXIV, despite its problems, is the last place left for me to get my fix.

I wonder if I'll ever find enough sense to go cold turkey?

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I also started WoW in 2010 then swapped to FFXIV, and all that time I played nothing but MMOs until a couple of weeks ago. Going cold turkey was surprisingly easy, you know why? Because since Dawntrail I wasn't getting my fix here anyway. No friends, no lasting content, no attachment to my character anymore, no joy from gameplay, no motivation to see what future updates bring. If you are still getting something out of the game then I'm not surprised you'd feel the need to continue playing. It takes so little to feed a years long addiction, just a few crumbs here and there.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I also started WoW in 2010 then swapped to FFXIV, and all that time I played nothing but MMOs until a couple of weeks ago. Going cold turkey was surprisingly easy, you know why? Because since Dawntrail I wasn't getting my fix here anyway. No friends, no lasting content, no attachment to my character anymore, no joy from gameplay, no motivation to see what future updates bring. If you are still getting something out of the game then I'm not surprised you'd feel the need to continue playing. It takes so little to feed a years long addiction, just a few crumbs here and there.

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Believe me, I probably would have left if I didn't find a cool FC when I transferred to Seraph. At the moment, I'm just leveling all my jobs to 100 hoping that when I'm done there will be content to finally, finally... fill the void.

As I learned in WoW, MMO addiction is a formidable foe. Stronger than any I have faced. Against it, I need bring my all to bear.

I need burn through the candle of my attention span.