The FF14 community does not understand SE's design choice

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

They hated him because he spoke the truth
Almost every bad design decision in this game can ultimately be traced back to community feedback.
I have stressed before that when players complain about jobs and the devs listen to their complaints, the jobs end up worse for it
see: DRK. Perfectly fine in Stormblood and only needed to cut back a bit on dark arts spam. Gets gutted because people complained

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Bold of you to think the job designers don't just change things willy-nilly and throw crap at the wall hoping it'll stick.

Much easier to blame mythical "community feedback" than realizing that maybe, just maybe, the devs just flat out suck lmao.

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

Can we stop turning every thread on this forum into "we hate tanks" ? There are already several about that, and they're all the same tired argument rehashed a few dozen ways.

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It’s hard when 3/4 of the balancing problems in casual content can be directly attributed to bad tank balancing. In this thread in particular it’s obviously their “vision” as the OP puts it that tanks should be immortal and the players are getting sick of that, hence it’s perfectly on topic

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

They hated him because he spoke the truth
Almost every bad design decision in this game can ultimately be traced back to community feedback.
I have stressed before that when players complain about jobs and the devs listen to their complaints, the jobs end up worse for it
see: DRK. Perfectly fine in Stormblood and only needed to cut back a bit on dark arts spam. Gets gutted because people complained

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If the devs can’t help but respond to every piece of feedback with a mallet when a chisel is all that’s needed then that speaks of them having a design problem

Using your own example “hey can you please reduce dark arts spam a bit” sure we heard your feedback so we destroyed DRK’s entire job structure and design

That method of design doesn’t fill me with confidence

Remember back in HW/SB about healer memes?.

—Don't tell me what to do.
—I won't follow your big pulls.
— Cleric Stance? I'm a Healer.
— AOE damage ? Dude I'm a Healer.
—Bane? Rofl ask the SMN.
—I hope SE stop giving us damage or dots it's giving me anxiety.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Remember back in HW/SB about healer memes?.

—Don't tell me what to do.
—I won't follow your big pulls.
— Cleric Stance? I'm a Healer.
— AOE damage ? Dude I'm a Healer.
—Bane? Rofl ask the SMN.
—I hope SE stop giving us damage or dots it's giving me anxiety.

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You are correct; a lot of people weren't around to know the true history of the healer journey in xiv. However, square enix needs to learn what nuance is, over-correcting to 1 side or the other is never a good decision. It's why I'm actually ok with the state of the jobs in dawntrail, it's getting better without it being an extreme over-correction. The state of healers is a big problem though, it shouldn't take 3 or 4 expansions to fix it.

Stormblood was the expansion where they got healers right; no more cleric stance yet Sch was fun, Ast was fun even if a bit overpowered, and Whm was fun even if somewhat weak compared to the other 2 (but this is what happens when jobs are made to be creative and unique, one job will be left out of the fun and out of high end raids as well).

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Remember back in HW/SB about healer memes?.

—Don't tell me what to do.
—I won't follow your big pulls.
— Cleric Stance? I'm a Healer.
— AOE damage ? Dude I'm a Healer.
—Bane? Rofl ask the SMN.
—I hope SE stop giving us damage or dots it's giving me anxiety.

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Again all this shows is square enix can’t do anything besides taking a hammer to any feedback offered

There is a middle ground between the complaints in HW and the void of job design space we have now

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

Can we stop turning every thread on this forum into "we hate tanks" ? There are already several about that, and they're all the same tired argument rehashed a few dozen ways.

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I dont hate tanks, I hate WARs.

Wait...did no one catch that? Yoshida said they changed Viper based on players saying they couldn't see mechanics, then said they didn't listen to player feedback. Sooo which is it?

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Wait...did no one catch that? Yoshida said they changed Viper based on players saying they couldn't see mechanics, then said they didn't listen to player feedback. Sooo which is it?

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What on earth does a debuff have to do with not being able to see mechanics

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

What on earth does a debuff have to do with not being able to see mechanics

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I guess melee players can only see one thing at a time so tracking a debuff precludes seeing mechanics?

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

I guess melee players can only see one thing at a time so tracking a debuff precludes seeing mechanics?

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Its funny because on like Dragoon/Ninja I can reasonably see this being a problem due to the constant double weave and oGCD spam which led to constant effects that could make it hard to track things but on Viper? That job plays itself, the only time you double weaved it gave you a recast with enough time to triple weave.
Outside of like Reawaken Viper has some of the most visual clarity of any Melee in the game with its effects, this is just a made up excuse by the devs who clearly wanted to change Viper prior to launch but didn't have enough time.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Remember back in HW/SB about healer memes?.

—Don't tell me what to do.
—I won't follow your big pulls.
— Cleric Stance? I'm a Healer.
— AOE damage ? Dude I'm a Healer.
—Bane? Rofl ask the SMN.
—I hope SE stop giving us damage or dots it's giving me anxiety.

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Tinfoil hat on: They might actually be taking the memes more seriously then the actual feedback.

They DID say they chose Tural because the players "really wanted more tacos", which only really started because of Ruby Weapons' "Big Fat Tacos" meme. People meme'd about Warrior being too angry to die along with it's big unga bunga damage numbers, and they buffed warrior's healing and mitigation to make it even more unkillable and gave it bigger skills to do even more unga bunga damage numbers. People meme on Dark Knight about being edgy and alone and not having a lot of the same things the other tanks do, so they balanced Dark Knights to be the worst tank currently by a landslide when compared to the other three by giving it almost nothing that the other three tanks currently do and leaning into that edgy and alone meme by making it so nobody wants to play on the playground with them.

The memes seem to be dictating more then any actual feedback at this point.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Bold of you to think the job designers don't just change things willy-nilly and throw crap at the wall hoping it'll stick.

Much easier to blame mythical "community feedback" than realizing that maybe, just maybe, the devs just flat out suck lmao.

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Ummm excuse me, why are you playing the game then?? Hmm ??????????????

https://i.ibb.co/bvVXrnd/istockphoto...30-612x612.jpg

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Originally Posted by AnimalsALot

Ummm excuse me, why are you playing the game then?? Hmm ??????????????

https://i.ibb.co/bvVXrnd/istockphoto...30-612x612.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rekh

"See mechanics" gives it away.
AKA High end raiders.

As I stated before, that's whom the game is designed around, been that way since shadowbringers.

Welcome to the rot of every mmo where class/job design is either catered mostly to pvp'ers or high end raiders.

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Say sike right now

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Originally Posted by ZXN

Tinfoil hat on: They might actually be taking the memes more seriously then the actual feedback.

They DID say they chose Tural because the players "really wanted more tacos", which only really started because of Ruby Weapons' "Big Fat Tacos" meme. People meme'd about Warrior being too angry to die along with it's big unga bunga damage numbers, and they buffed warrior's healing and mitigation to make it even more unkillable and gave it bigger skills to do even more unga bunga damage numbers. People meme on Dark Knight about being edgy and alone and not having a lot of the same things the other tanks do, so they balanced Dark Knights to be the worst tank currently by a landslide when compared to the other three by giving it almost nothing that the other three tanks currently do and leaning into that edgy and alone meme by making it so nobody wants to play on the playground with them.

The memes seem to be dictating more then any actual feedback at this point.

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Yoshi-P also apologized for Y'shtola's magical girl phase in 6.1 EW and her 'Little Sun' insult after realizing how hard the community meme'd these things.