Greenlight NA and EU Travel

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Originally Posted by kajv95

The uncanny ability to turn everything into an argument is the english OFs biggest strength.

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Please, the JP community is far louder on this issue and have a much stronger purist stand point. Have you ever consider the reason you always hear it in English because ... it's the language you're listening to?

I wouldnt be surprised that if one day if they open the NA and EU server, the JP server will still remain locked.

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Originally Posted by shoba

Huh but this is not the same problem though? This will also let NA travel to EU so it's also less people on NA this is really not the same problem

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Right now it's a crapshoot if Aether/Primal/Crystal players can visit any of those DCs. The only one consistently open to us is Dynamis. You don't think having EU people also trying to come over here isn't going to make that situation worse? We need our own house cleaned up first before they add to the problem.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Copium megaservers...

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They would have to upgrade the servers from C64 to Amiga 500. Maybe they will make it in 15 years or so.




Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

They would have to upgrade the servers from C64 to Amiga 500. Maybe they will make it in 15 years or so.




Cheers

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Dare I ask what C64 and Amiga 500 are...? I'm curious but really scared.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Dare I ask what C64 and Amiga 500 are...? I'm curious but really scared.

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Ancient technology from before your time.



Back when calculators were the only handheld devices that could do math.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ancient technology from before your time.



Back when calculators were the only handled devices that could do math.

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Not sure why you tried to drag my age into it? That's quite a really weird remark to make, are you okay?

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Not sure why you tried to drag my age into it? That's quite a really weird remark to make, are you okay?

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I mean, it's relevant to the question lmao. It's not an insult. They're before my time also.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I mean, it's relevant to the question lmao. It's not an insult. They're before my time also.

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It honestly felt a very random thing to say to someone who was just curious to learn?

(I apologize that our last interaction had some friction in it)

No thank you!
Build a wall, a big beautiful wall, to keep them out of Europe!

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Originally Posted by Rueby

It honestly felt a very random thing to say to someone who was just curious to learn?

(I apologize that our last interaction had some friction in it)

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Maybe it's a cultural thing, but "before your time" is a frequent label used about old stuff here. It was just meant as a joke.





The C64 and Amiga 500 are ancient home computers.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The C64 and Amiga 500 are ancient home computers.

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I feel ancient now, I think we might still have one or two of those buried somewhere in the house.

As well as opening up EU and NA I think it would be great to open up OCE properly as well so people can actually visit other regions for content that isn't well populated on OCE.

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Originally Posted by lunartears

I'm not a raider so I can't comment on the current problems with Aether, but I'd like them to implement EU-to-NA travel at the very least because (as someone mentioned earlier) I'm one of those who plays with 150ms~ ping on NA and I'd love to have the option to visit EU.
Of course it's mostly to experience better ping in duty, but i'd also like to see what it's like to be around EU players for a change. It's kind of weird being European and being around American culture so much.

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I have this sentiment too. I'm not from EU but people in my region tend to play in EU by default because that's the lowest ping for us. Of course there're people here who play in NA also, but majority go EU, so would be nice if could meet more of them also.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Dare I ask what C64 and Amiga 500 are...? I'm curious but really scared.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500

And no, they will not get my Amiga 500. Yes, i still have one. xD



Cheers

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Right now it's a crapshoot if Aether/Primal/Crystal players can visit any of those DCs. The only one consistently open to us is Dynamis. You don't think having EU people also trying to come over here isn't going to make that situation worse? We need our own house cleaned up first before they add to the problem.

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There's gonna be way more people coming to NA from EU than NA going to EU just because people seem to travel primarily for content which is always going to be faster on NA than EU, as well as raiding purposes. I'd be curious if Chaos dies completely since Light was already drawing a population away but now Aether is on the table and has a morning raiding secene that would be there for EU players to flood. Might send Chaos into the dark ages of old and create a 2nd Dynamis.

Unlike NA x JP or EU x JP, I dont think NA x EU would have a huge culture clash
Plus I myself am a EU player staying on NA due to living in NA when I starteed the game, would love to play with low ping again

NA looking for a Light carry. Please never let them come over here.

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

Lets just rip a bandaid off here, plenty of EU players play on NA and plenty of NA players play on EU, theres a myth that theres as big of a cultural divide between the two like there exists with the Japanese DCs when thats simply not true.

For god sake in the world races i know plenty of EU statics with NA players in them and the same goes for NA statics with EU players in them, the game is perfectly adjustable up to around 150-160ping for most jobs

Balmung in NA is full of EU RPers, outside of the PF difference, the culture is not that different.

I'm all for it , for the sheer fact that there exists little cultural difference outside of PF strats.

And no harm to EU players, but a good deal of UK and Irish players that i know of mainly play on NA anyway.

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EU player playing on Balmung here! I would love the option to go do roulettes or whatever on EU for the lower latency. Still prefer to stay on NA but the option to do content on EU would be great.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

There's gonna be way more people coming to NA from EU than NA going to EU just because people seem to travel primarily for content which is always going to be faster on NA than EU, as well as raiding purposes. I'd be curious if Chaos dies completely since Light was already drawing a population away but now Aether is on the table and has a morning raiding secene that would be there for EU players to flood. Might send Chaos into the dark ages of old and create a 2nd Dynamis.

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While we do have a morning raid scene it's still sometimes difficult to get a group going. It fills evantually, but it takes longer than it would on peak times. This is especially true if you want to pf ultimates. If I try to put a party up, I would be lucky if it even fills. For things like Savage; and correct me if I'm wrong to be honest because I didn't pf this tier, but I'd imagine even now it'd take a bit longer to fill in comparison if someone was on EU. People who raid in morning will probably have better ping on EU anyways or JP if they're from SEA.

I honestly cannot say what will happen but I won't be surprised if the morning raiding scene in NA goes to EU to raid. Most EU people on NA are here for their friends and already established themselves here. Of course NA will end up having a morning raid scene cause people can't leave in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500

And no, they will not get my Amiga 500. Yes, i still have one. xD

Cheers

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I'll keep my A500 Frankenstein thing and A1200 too, specially after both got a PiStorm.

And I would love to have DC travel EU<->NA too.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Right now it's a crapshoot if Aether/Primal/Crystal players can visit any of those DCs. The only one consistently open to us is Dynamis. You don't think having EU people also trying to come over here isn't going to make that situation worse? We need our own house cleaned up first before they add to the problem.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

There's gonna be way more people coming to NA from EU than NA going to EU just because people seem to travel primarily for content which is always going to be faster on NA than EU, as well as raiding purposes. I'd be curious if Chaos dies completely since Light was already drawing a population away but now Aether is on the table and has a morning raiding secene that would be there for EU players to flood. Might send Chaos into the dark ages of old and create a 2nd Dynamis.

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I don't understand why people think that EU is going to go to NA to raid. When you're used to less than 100ms ping, anything with 150ms ping is a nightmare. If anything, EU folks on NA will go to EU to raid.

I play on 250ms ping, and if I could convince my static to meet on OCE where I have 188ms ping, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But they don't want to play on 150ms ping lol.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

EU player playing on Balmung here! I would love the option to go do roulettes or whatever on EU for the lower latency. Still prefer to stay on NA but the option to do content on EU would be great.

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Originally Posted by shoba

While we do have a morning raid scene it's still sometimes difficult to get a group going. It fills evantually, but it takes longer than it would on peak times. This is especially true if you want to pf ultimates. If I try to put a party up, I would be lucky if it even fills. For things like Savage; and correct me if I'm wrong to be honest because I didn't pf this tier, but I'd imagine even now it'd take a bit longer to fill in comparison if someone was on EU. People who raid in morning will probably have better ping on EU anyways or JP if they're from SEA.

I honestly cannot say what will happen but I won't be surprised if the morning raiding scene in NA goes to EU to raid. Most EU people on NA are here for their friends and already established themselves here. Of course NA will end up having a morning raid scene cause people can't leave in the first place.

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I agree, considering how much my EU friends complain about the ping when they're playing on NA, it will likely have all the EU people moving to EU to raid or do content.

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Originally Posted by Liamont

I don't understand why people think that EU is going to go to NA to raid. When you're used to less than 100ms ping, anything with 150ms ping is a nightmare. If anything, EU folks on NA will go to EU to raid.

I play on 250ms ping, and if I could convince my static to meet on OCE where I have 188ms ping, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But they don't want to play on 150ms ping lol.





I agree, considering how much my EU friends complain about the ping when they're playing on NA, it will likely have all the EU people moving to EU to raid or do content.

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yes this, people who are already staticing and raiding on EU aren't gonna jump to NA cause then they'd have to relearn how to play at a higher ping level, Im EU and started on NA with friends, its far easier adjusting downwards than it is starting with low ping and adjusting up.

pointless thing to be worried about

"but they'll go to where all the content is , EU WILL DIE!!", if anyone thinks folks who are used to 20-30ping are going to jump at raiding regularly at 150ping they are sorely mistaken.

SE needs to let materia players travel to NA and EU. Materia players only have 1 datacenter and they cannot travel anywhere right now its very unfair imo. JP, NA and EU can travel to materia but materia players are stuck on 1 datacenter makes no sense at all.

Yes please. I need some Houses on NA too.

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Originally Posted by kite384

SE needs to let materia players travel to NA and EU. Materia players only have 1 datacenter and they cannot travel anywhere right now its very unfair imo. JP, NA and EU can travel to materia but materia players are stuck on 1 datacenter makes no sense at all.

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Thats more due to the fact Materia was a bad idea and poorly thought out.

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

Thats more due to the fact Materia was a bad idea and poorly thought out.

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The people demanded it. SQEX delivered it and now the people are unhappy about it.



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The thing is materia players should not be stuck on 1 datacenter let them travel to other datacenters on NA and EU or just NA. Anything is better then being stuck on 1 datacenter its worse then dynamis dc situation.

Materia players not being able to leave helps prevent a Dynamis situation, where everyone on Dynamis left there for most content.

When Materia is deemed populated enough to stand on its own feet, then it would make sense to let them travel away from it. That might be the case now or maybe it's not, I'm just saying it's good being locked with people only able travel to it at first

Materia DC only got 1 datacenter
Dynamis DC always was able to travel to other datacenters
Materia DC doesn't have any other datacenter where they can travel and it came out 2 years ago or so.

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Originally Posted by Liamont

I don't understand why people think that EU is going to go to NA to raid. When you're used to less than 100ms ping, anything with 150ms ping is a nightmare. If anything, EU folks on NA will go to EU to raid.

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My comments don't even mention raiding. There are venues or people just wanting to visit their friends on other DCs. Right now we have people on the NA DCs who can't even go visit other NA DCs because of the restrictions put into place with 7.05. If they want to make it so NA can go to EU, that's great. But they shouldn't add to the problems NA DC players already have just among ourselves by adding the ability for other regional DCs to come over to NA at this time. Not until they fix it so the NA DC players can freely travel among our own region's DCs without having to squeeze in on a low activity time or get relegated to only traveling to Dynamis.

Yes, please do replicate "Walmart in Germany" with NA player run venues on EU DCs because it worked so well.
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I see no issues with connecting NA, EU and OCE servers as we were once the same community on the old NA DC years ago.

I totally understand the concerns of the Japanese and if they want to remain separate, I have no issues with that.

If they wanted, they could experiment with the JP DCs by allowing one DC but not all of them as a connected DC. This way they could have it both ways, those who want to remain separate, stay in that DC, others could join the connected DC.

Just adding my two cents; please connect NA, EU, and OCE. I don't see the issue with connecting JP servers--literally anyone can go and make a character on these servers to begin with, it's not like they're region locked. But if they must leave JP out, at least connect the other three.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Yes, please do replicate "Walmart in Germany" with NA player run venues on EU DCs because it worked so well.
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Most NA players, who want to run a venue on EU, have already a character on EU.



Cheers

As someone who raids regularly on both NA and EU, I say at this point there's very little cultural difference and both should be able to play together nicely. PF has more or less unified under Hector strats, and when Hector strats aren't the case..... Both DCs have their own pastebins and raidplans that are easily accessible.
I understand if JP is locked out of this, since there is a big cultural gap between us and JP players.

OCE players on the other hand, should roam freely since their community is so small to begin with.

This will also save me from levelling alts every expansion, so you have my greenlight SE!

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Originally Posted by shoba

While we do have a morning raid scene it's still sometimes difficult to get a group going. It fills evantually, but it takes longer than it would on peak times. This is especially true if you want to pf ultimates. If I try to put a party up, I would be lucky if it even fills. For things like Savage; and correct me if I'm wrong to be honest because I didn't pf this tier, but I'd imagine even now it'd take a bit longer to fill in comparison if someone was on EU. People who raid in morning will probably have better ping on EU anyways or JP if they're from SEA.

I honestly cannot say what will happen but I won't be surprised if the morning raiding scene in NA goes to EU to raid. Most EU people on NA are here for their friends and already established themselves here. Of course NA will end up having a morning raid scene cause people can't leave in the first place.

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Do Chaos and Light have 40+ savage PF at what would be noon-2pm their time? At least that's how Aether was last time I checked like 2 weeks ago. If they don't have an early raiding scene that's matching or higher in volume, I don't see why they'd leave. I'd assume Light /might/ do it but I don't know if they're super server status like Aether and what Mana used to be.

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Originally Posted by Liamont

I don't understand why people think that EU is going to go to NA to raid. When you're used to less than 100ms ping, anything with 150ms ping is a nightmare. If anything, EU folks on NA will go to EU to raid.

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Because there's going to be a good chunk of players that care about content completion and not parsing. And there's another section using tools they're not supposed to that don't get affected by ping at all. I run at like 85-100 ping on NA and I regularly PvP on JP and run PvE on OCE from time to time with 150-200+ across both. If you have a schedule that doesn't allow you to play during EU peak times, you want a higher volume of PF's to pick from, or you find it higher quality, you're not going to care about the ping difference. I'm biased toward whether travel is allowed just because I know the EU and NA pvp population hate each other extensively and I know as a minimum, EU pvp'ers would be over on NA for casual queue's just because EU's quality is in the dirt too hard.

Yes, please open it up.

I don't want to have to make/gear an alt whenever social events are happening on NA. I could even help my overseas friends clear content if ping allows for it -- I see no issues with this.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Because there's going to be a good chunk of players that care about content completion and not parsing.

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You are able to complete the content on NA and EU. And i do not think, that it will change when they open the DC travel.



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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

I don't see the issue with connecting JP servers--literally anyone can go and make a character on these servers to begin with, it's not like they're region locked.

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this'll give you a starting point for an idea. they were blacklisting Elemental DC already in the past for raid PF just because of English ppl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOyyWvyT2C8

The tank and healer problem needs to be fixed before data center travel.