FF14 director Yoshida asks fans not to “attack” Wuk Lamat actress

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

If I have to hear or read 'MSQ', 'Sena', or 'Lamat' again I'm going to rip the hard drive containing FFXIV out of my PC and eat it like a tortilla chip.

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If everyone who flocks to these threads did that, coming to this forum might actually be a worthwhile experience again.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

It seems lately yoship hasn't been his usual self since the release of dawntrail with recently being dismissive of feedback of the story and writing quality saying people "just don't understand Japanese writing styles" or claiming people don't like wuk lamat because of "parent complex" or something or not being confidant enough.

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This is very tinfoil-hat-y, but at this point it feels like Yoshi-P has so much on his own plate with all the projects shoved onto his lap by Square that he did not get to actually play Dawntrail. Remember when he played through Endwalker a couple times to make sure its perfect? No one can tell me he did the same thing here.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

He should ask his dev team to play healers instead.

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I would pay money for a twitch stream in which a dev actually plays a healer character, from level 1 to level 100, through MSQ and all battle content. I want to see the color drain from their face as they realize the state healers are in.

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Originally Posted by MartinFreeman

He's defending his paycheck, pretty sure that is what is going on. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what the pecking order in the office and he saw certain consultants walking through with management telling him what the deal is. Be quiet and take the money.

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Based on the recent interviews I lost the little hope I had left of the post patch story potentially getting better especially if writing quality remains the same and keep a toxic voice actress around.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

This is very tinfoil-hat-y, but at this point it feels like Yoshi-P has so much on his own plate with all the projects shoved onto his lap by Square that he did not get to actually play Dawntrail. Remember when he played through Endwalker a couple times to make sure its perfect? No one can tell me he did the same thing here.

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That could possibly be the reason as well and why he could be so dismissive of feedback recently if he potentially put all responsibilities onto junior people but still taking blame of everything even if all his attention isn't on ff14 anymore and taking on multiple other projects.

I think it's great that Yoshi-P is taking the high road to defend someone who, turns around attacking others on a social platform and calling out music scores as black gospel and racist. :rolleyes:

As long as he doesn't consider "criticizing Bryer's bad performance" and "pointing out some of Bryer's bad takes on Twitter" to be an "attack", I'm cool with that.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Why is she allowed to make personal attacks against other people if we're not allowed to do the same?

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Literal violent speech - how has Bryer not been suspended?

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Originally Posted by Fiel_Tana

From the article:
"While Dawntrail is a largely beloved expansion,"

Is it?? Is it really a largely beloved expansion? Even Yoshi has said it's been received with "Mixed reviews". The writer clearly has not done their research.

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Fully agree with the rest however, personal attacks are not OK. Critiquing the story, gameplay, graphics updates etc. is fair and honestly helpful if we want things to get better. Just be kind and don't direct hate/threats etc. towards anyone personally is what he's saying. Shouldn't really even have had to be said.

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I think the story is on because story is not why l play this game, lol. I getting a feeling people who liked the story are people like me

I mean they shouldn't, he is right.

But really there are remarks made by a certain individual that really make it difficult for people not to bite.

Fire all the americans, each and every single one of them is a drama magnet.
The english localization is just hilariously bad compared to french and german.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Why is she allowed to make personal attacks against other people if we're not allowed to do the same?

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I've been mostly staying away from this drama, but I'm genuinely surprised she's been able to run around posting these things without any discernible repercussions to her career.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I've been mostly staying away from this drama, but I'm genuinely surprised she's been able to run around posting these things without any discernible repercussions to her career.

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That's how most of the western VAs are. Especially the super mediocre ones. They spend more time on Twitter posting vile shit than they do honing their craft or actually getting any work done. Then they whine that they don't earn enough and that some people want to replace them with AI. Which, hey, I'm 100% against AI taking creative's jobs away, but boy... When I check these VA twitter accounts I really kind of sympathize with their bosses. I'd want to replace them as well, with anything really. Frankly sometimes it's genuinely better to just NOT voice a character at all, than let one of those Twitter warriors do it. They tank the entire overall quality of your product.

But I guess because this is normal now, that also means no repercussions for anyone.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Why is she allowed to make personal attacks against other people if we're not allowed to do the same?

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You can if you want, but why copy a bad example and drag yourself down to their level.

Better to not engage at all. If you feel you have to engage, engage where they're making their statements and not in a game forum.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I've been mostly staying away from this drama, but I'm genuinely surprised she's been able to run around posting these things without any discernible repercussions to her career.

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Professional repercussions usually take a while to appear in public for an actor considering the delay between doing the work and the work's release.

Has she manage to land new roles in the last couple of months?

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I've been mostly staying away from this drama, but I'm genuinely surprised she's been able to run around posting these things without any discernible repercussions to her career.

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The repercussions are usually caused by the mob that attacks companies and products over a perceived lack of diversity (which Sena Bryer also does). Of course they aren't going to attack one of their own. Regular consumers need to start employing the same tactics if they want this hateful mob gone from the industry.

I guess since "she" cried hard enough expect Wuk to be the face of 8.0 and onwards....if this game even lasts that long.

And yet its not the "uwu trans" voice actress people have issues with its the fact that Wuk is a Blackhole Mary Sue and DT is boring no matter what the language is.

before even knowing the Eng va was trans the voice acting made what little voice actors are left for Yandere Simulator seem professional, Sena's voice sounded like it was recorded in their "streaming room" but nothing was done to remove the slight echo.

I don’t think it is a tinfoil hat theory at this point. I am a firm believer that producer of the game did not in fact play the game this time around.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Has she manage to land new roles in the last couple of months?

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I'm unaware of any new roles for her, but she's set to play Wuk in future FFXIV patches, which is probably a bigger deal than anything else she could be working on right now. As long as a large part of the FFXIV community supports her for being a voice actor in the game, repercussions are unlikely—unless she stirs up drama on the level of Susan Calloway or worse. But with Sena receiving awards and guest of honor invitations at conventions, it's unlikely the general public will care at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

The amount of rats asses I give about PR grandstanding in response to continued, constant criticism on the state of the game is so small you'd need an electron microscope to see them.

Talk more about class design, tell me when the next live letter will be, etc. If I have to hear or read 'MSQ', 'Sena', or 'Lamat' again I'm going to rip the M.2 drive containing FFXIV out of my PC and eat it like a tortilla chip.

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Seriously, the Wuk La-Brainrot is so wearyingly rampant.

Anytime I see a new thread about the state of the game, I'm tricked into reading about Wuk Lamat again. "Oh are people gonna talk about the stale job design and have interesting input?", "Ah my mistake, it's a Wuk Lamat thread again"

Even if the voice actor was good Wuk Lamat would still be a terrible character. I hope he realizes this.

I understand how attacking Sena could reflect badly on the community and Bmbut Sena's social media post can be just as bad. The community was critizing wuk lamat and Sena va performance. Her response was to come out of the barn swining, I dont blame the community for not wanting to take a verbal assault. SE is going to need face the piper on this one and pull the trigger on Sena.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

I don’t think it is a tinfoil hat theory at this point. I am a firm believer that producer of the game did not in fact play the game this time around.

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He's too busy making yet another Final Fantasy, just check Koji Fox's IMDB, zero credits with Dawntrail, I 100% believe he's been put on another project, and we're stuck with full force Kate for the next 10 years YIPEEE!

I quit wow after 15 years of loyal subscriber for less. watch me.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Has she manage to land new roles in the last couple of months?

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No, she's too busy calling other VA's "scabs" for accepting VA jobs while she goes on strike, apparently she's not doing anything till the strike succeeds, so who knows what that means for wuk.
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I see how Yoshida can come off as two-faced. Please don’t disrespect my people, but it seems fine when my people are disrespecteing you my beloved payers. Meanwhile, a singer got fired for what? Associating with the wrong people? This kind of hypocrisy doesn’t send a good message, especially when the game can’t really afford it right now. I’ll be glad when my six months run out. Plus idc if this guy works on several projects. If 14 is not your main deal give it to someone who cares about the game.

I see how Yoshida can come off as two-faced. Please don’t disrespect my people, but it seems fine when my people are disrespecteing you my beloved payers. Meanwhile, a singer got fired for what? Associating with the wrong people? This kind of hypocrisy doesn’t send a good message, especially when the game can’t really afford it right now. I’ll be glad when my six months run out. Plus idc if this guy works on several projects. If 14 is not your main deal give it to someone who cares about the game.

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Originally Posted by IvoryHawk

No, she's too busy calling other VA's "scabs" for accepting VA jobs while she goes on strike, apparently she's not doing anything till the strike succeeds, so who knows what that means for wuk.
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Um...what's a scab? Is it another chud word I need to learn about?

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Um...what's a scab? Is it another chud word I need to learn about?

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Basically it's a term for somebody who continues working for a company or companies when most other employees are holding a strike.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Um...what's a scab? Is it another chud word I need to learn about?

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What happened there, I am not on twitter

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Originally Posted by Dante131

I see how Yoshida can come off as two-faced. Please don’t disrespect my people, but it seems fine when my people are disrespecteing you my beloved payers. Meanwhile, a singer got fired for what? Associating with the wrong people? This kind of hypocrisy doesn’t send a good message, especially when the game can’t really afford it right now. I’ll be glad when my six months run out. Plus idc if this guy works on several projects. If 14 is not your main deal give it to someone who cares about the game.

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You raise a good point. It was okay to remove and attack Susan Callaway for liking a tweet, yet Sena can be a total black hole of negativity and has fucking Yoshi come out to defend her?
The double standard, the hypocrisy, it is absolutely defeaning. I'm fucking glad my sub ran out at this point.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Um...what's a scab? Is it another chud word I need to learn about?

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To put it as simple as possible: In slang terms, the word "Scab" is used when talking about workers, more specifically; a member of a union who refuses to participate in a strike with their peers and/or returns to work before said strike ends. It is also used to describe non-union workers who seek out employment and/or replaces a union worker during said strike.

To try and put it into context to the Sena image you replied to: Essentially while Sena is participating in the Voice Actor Strike, some other Voice Actors are not and are still working/looking for work. So these tweets could be seen as her throwing some discrete shade/criticism at some voice actors for not participating in the strike and continuing to look for/do work while she and others are on strike.

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Originally Posted by DoomRyder

You raise a good point. It was okay to remove and attack Susan Callaway for liking a tweet, yet Sena can be a total black hole of negativity and has fucking Yoshi come out to defend her?
The double standard, the hypocrisy, it is absolutely defeaning. I'm fucking glad my sub ran out at this point.

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I mean one is a protected class the other was openly discriminating against specific people. Reading most of these comments makes me think you all would defend neo nazis if she openly said she was against that shit. She's wearing a shirt hating transphobes and you guys think that's a terrible thing this is exactly why I loath this community.

I have lost half of my life when WoW crumbled. I canceled my 5.5 month sub when the RED LINE (for me) was crossed. I abandoned all i had in my life and found the sanctuary here.
For the past 4 years this game was my home. I found the soulmate i wish i could come closer to. I found soem great friends here. I found some nasty peopel here too which is natural. But for the most part this game was my LIFE. Music, Fights, MSQ.
DT destroyed one of them and hurt 1 other. Music is still great apart from freakng Smile but...
We are not allowed to criticise that. For some reason
I had hoped Yoshida will find the way to answer the VAST MAJORITY CALL with respect, but it appears he does not so far.
If this goes on i will leave everything behind once again. Will i find a new home or is it too late to look for a game not infested with... THIS. I dont know.
What i DO know is that i will not cope with this bullshit killing my home! My passione! My life! My friendship! My only cope with this freaking reality. Dont bring murican politics to my FANTASY!!!
I criticise awfull VA. I criticise the awfull wrighting. Stupid decitions, weak plot, disrespct of scions.
And worst of all i am not allowed to give my all on the matter. It will be deleted.
Now that i think about it it seems like Yoshida gave up or was forced to comply with Soyni politics. I want to be wrong. I want this game to give me more awesome stories. I want to meen new wonderfull people i sencirely call my friends despite half of the globe separating us.
But if next major patch will follow WOke Lamat tropes that is it.

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Originally Posted by DoomRyder

You raise a good point. It was okay to remove and attack Susan Callaway for liking a tweet, yet Sena can be a total black hole of negativity and has fucking Yoshi come out to defend her?
The double standard, the hypocrisy, it is absolutely defeaning. I'm fucking glad my sub ran out at this point.

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Yeah I don't get why it was ok to attack susan calloway for liking tweets when she wasn't publicly posting nasty tweets but yet sena post all her negativity and openly being misogynistic and sexist and telling people they don't deserve certain roles. But yet sena's fans and yoship will blindly defend her. Like why does susan get cancelled and lose her job/career but yet sena gets protected and defended by yoship and her fans and gets to keep her job potentially.

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Originally Posted by Dante131

What happened there, I am not on twitter

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I mean neither am I, I just see glimpses of it here. I kinda forgot the context, I asked what a chud is and the thread kinda imploded. I think it was also something used to kinda label a certain kind of person...??? My mind doesn't really retain all that info honestly.

It's fascinating...in a morbid kinda way.

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Originally Posted by DonutSteel

Basically it's a term for somebody who continues working for a company or companies when most other employees are holding a strike.

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Exciting. I learned something new.

So, is this like a term to shame people who are not subscribing to your cause or what? Because it sounds like it, which doesn't surprise me honestly coming from Sena.

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Originally Posted by ZXN

To put it as simple as possible: In slang terms the word "Scab" is used when talking about workers, more specifically; a member of a union who refuses to participate in a strike with their peers and/or returns to work before said strike ends. It is also used to describe non-union workers who seek out employment and/or replaces a union worker during said strike.

To try and put it into context to the Sena image you replied to: Essentially while Sena is participating in the Voice Actor Strike, some other Voice Actors are not and are still working/looking for work. So these tweets could be seen as her throwing some discrete shade/criticism at some voice actors for not participating in the strike and continuing to look for/do work while she and others are on strike.

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I think you answered my question quite thoroughly. Thank you.

Maybe it's just me, but isn't that kinda shitty though? People should be allowed to make their own choices and not somehow peer pressured or 'shamed' into it...It really rubs me the wrong way because it reeks of 'if you're not with me you're against me and I'll shame you for it'. I can't help but see it as kinda immature...?

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Yeah I don't get why it was ok to attack susan calloway for liking tweets when she wasn't publicly posting nasty tweets but yet sena post all her negativity and openly being misogynistic and sexist and telling people they don't deserve certain roles. But yet sena's fans and yoship will blindly defend her. Like why does susan get cancelled and lose her job/career but yet sena gets protected and defended by yoship and her fans and gets to keep her job potentially.

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Oh ya!!! you just love to leave out the details of why she was let go lets se anti semitic and transphobic bigotry

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Necros

Oh ya!!! you just love to leave out the details of why she was let go lets se anti semitic and transphobic bigotry

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Yeah like sena isn't calling for cisgendered people to be fired from roles and being sexist and misogynistic despite wanting to transition to a sex they are being sexist toward. But seems sena is such a great person and totally not toxic towards certain groups.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Necros

I mean one is a protected class the other was openly discriminating against specific people. Reading most of these comments makes me think you all would defend neo nazis if she openly said she was against that shit. She's wearing a shirt hating transphobes and you guys think that's a terrible thing this is exactly why I loath this community.

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Please what ? So to be clear please correct me for the love of God please correct me. This "protected class " is litterally discriminating woman and people who are not on their side. While the other one was liking posts of why it's bad to turn a 3 years old boy into a girl and that was the the one thing I found. Maybe a com.ent of her but that's not the topic here. So back to Yoshi defend Sena which is discriminating woman taking VA jobs she thinks not belong to them and call people racist for not liking a song or transphobe for not liking her acting. Please tell me what does this have to do with neo nazis

Greetings

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Yeah like sena isn't calling for cisgendered people to be fired from roles and being sexist and misogynistic despite wanting to transition to a sex they are being sexist toward. But seems sena is such a great person.

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All I seen was a trans person defending a trans roll that she could have had and yet you get mad when a trans person plays a cis person when there are barely any trans rolls. Unless this is something else if so show proof of her actually harassing straight cis woman. All I see on her page is beach outing and karaoke

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Originally Posted by Dante131

Please what ? So to be clear please correct me for the love of God please correct me. This "protected class " is litterally discriminating woman and people who are not on their side. While the other one was liking posts of why it's bad to turn a 3 years old boy into a girl and that was the the one thing I found. Maybe a com.ent of her but that's not the topic here. So back to Yoshi defend Sena which is discriminating woman taking VA jobs she thinks not belong to them and call people racist for not liking a song or transphobe for not liking her acting. Please tell me what does this have to do with neo nazis

Greetings

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Please post all of her quotes here then I'm not digging for shit that's probably just slander.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Good luck with that, lol.

I think Dawntrail more than any other expansion revealed just how much of the community is not in fact as "friendly and welcoming" as it claims to be, it wasn't exactly coincidence that this was the same expansion that gave us the buffed up mute/blacklist plus term filter because there's a *lot* more bad apples in the bunch then people want to admit to.

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Just learned that blocking people in forums does nothing and people are allowed to stalk others.