/r/ffxivdiscussion: Square Enix Notification of Recognition of Extraordinary Losses

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

On the brightside, citizen, imagine how much of the Lalafell Menace can be contained with those sort of pay to win game mechanics.

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Hahaha how does this always come back to the Lalafells.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Prolly kiss goodbye to any hope of a XI remake.

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Yeah man, that dream has been long gone, unfortunately even before this notice from SE.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

They've been 'not overworking their team' for a gooooooood while now, so much so they can't even add tail holes or make hats accommodate non-human ears anymore... maybe they should be overworking their team by now?

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Originally Posted by Lord_Umbra

hah they haven't bothered with that stuff properly since ARR only few pieces in HW-EW have them & funny thing is none of the tail outfit changes apply to Aura tails on any of that ARR gear like Miqo have actual pieces removed from tail region whilst Aura just clip through.

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Lol true. And if "overworking" the team can only produce results that are expected of them I'd really hate to see what it looks like when they give it nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Prolly kiss goodbye to any hope of a XI remake.

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That was crushed many years ago. Even the mobile remake was an insult.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Hahaha how does this always come back to the Lalafells.

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You know of what I speak, citizen. The Lalafell Menace is a huge threat to Eorzea. That and NFTs.





Remember the lessons of the past.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

NFTs

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Man, I know Yoshi P said he found the concept of NFTs interesting but I think he already stated that NFTs will never make an appearance in FFXIV. That would be an astonishingly tone deaf and unpopular move if the devs added them to the game. What would these hypothetical NFTs even be based on, just artwork of characters? And then they'd sell it on the mogstation? Lmao.

It's not just the exclusivity, it's the content. I didn't buy the last couple titles because, quite frankly, they are mostly sausage fests. Contrast that with some of their other titles over the years (like this one) where I bought the console SPECIFICALLY to play them.

They need to appeal to a more broad audience and they have really been missing the mark. And I don't mean all female casts, either - those are just as unbalanced. Just... tell a story with a balanced cast of characters. Switch it up who is the lead every now and again. Stop dumbing down your cash cow titles - I can't even believe what XIV has turned into. Folks want to be challenged and have interesting encounters with epic monsters on their way to solving real problems.

I'd like them to do some real focus groups with players - both older generation players that grew up with FF titles from the start and folks who are new to the franchise. I'm willing to bet there's more overlap in what the players *actually* want than SE thinks there is.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

Folks want to be challenged and have interesting encounters with epic monsters on their way to solving real problems.

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What exactly are you even talking about? It's an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Man, I know Yoshi P said he found the concept of NFTs interesting but I think he already stated that NFTs will never make an appearance in FFXIV. That would be an astonishingly tone deaf and unpopular move if the devs added them to the game. What would these hypothetical NFTs even be based on, just artwork of characters? And then they'd sell it on the mogstation? Lmao.

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Citizen, I'd request a custom NFT for each one of my Weeaboo Police Troopers. It would be a viable method of raising funds so the Weeaboo Police Department can purchase new weapons and uniforms.

But I'm aware of Square's attempt at making an NFT game called Symbiogenesis and its poor reception.




The strongest spirits will always triumph.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Citizen, I'd request a custom NFT for each one of my Weeaboo Police Troopers. It would be a viable method of raising funds so the Weeaboo Police Department can purchase new weapons and uniforms.

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Ah, improvements for the "LCS" I see. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

But I'm aware of Square's attempt at making an NFT game called Symbiogenesis and its poor reception.

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It was a major failed project for SE and plenty of resources were wasted on that one. What's funny is that SE made the announcement for symbiogenesis as the market for NFTs were already in decline. By that time I believe Steam had already banned NFT games across the board from being distributed by their platform. Yeah... SE was well behind the curve on the NFT stuff.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

My prediction? They're gonna axe that garbage Symbiogenesis NFT game that nobody's even playing, and they're probably done giving PlayStation any kind of exclusivity. Both XVI and Rebirth were part of this fiscal year, and both missed on the XBOX/PC Market. If they're reporting "Extraordinary losses" then that means the exclusivity deal was just not worth it.

Other than that, I don't know what else they can do. They haven't done particularly well in the mobile market either, so my hope is that we'll see more mid-range games that don't cost as much to make but can still sell well like Octopath or Triangle Strategy. Not every game needs to be Porsfoken.

Also, other than XIV and XVI, I'm glad they're done making their own engines. There's a charm to an in-house engine, but they're insanely costly to make and rarely justify the time and expense.

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Pretty sure there are like 25m XBox series in the wild and unless PC is driving huge sales, it's probably not worth the added dev time.

For products like a mainline FF, PS and/or Switch with a close PC release is the smart way to go imo so they can churn out in a reasonable time period.

What they need to do is make better FF games that are not sequels. It's really that simple.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

They've been 'not overworking their team' for a gooooooood while now, so much so they can't even add tail holes or make hats accommodate non-human ears anymore... maybe they should be overworking their team by now?

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If overworking their team is the issue, they could also just...hire more people? It's not like SE is some small indie studio that doesn't have the money to do so. They would just rather throw their money at crappy NFT games and other trash than take good care of their big cash cow.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Ah, improvements for the "LCS" I see. Carry on.

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The LCS, what a magnificent piece of technology, citizen. Upon each Barrier Mountain, Lominsan Engineers have begun construction of the Lalafell Control System (LCS): a network of massive towers that will cover each continent in a well-tested Lalafell sedative. Soon, our citizens will be able to rest easy, knowing their children are safe from the threat of the Lalafell Menace.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

It was a major failed project for SE and plenty of resources were wasted on that one. What's funny is that SE made the announcement for symbiogenesis as the market for NFTs were already in decline. By that time I believe Steam had already banned NFT games across the board from being distributed by their platform. Yeah... SE was well behind the curve on the NFT stuff.

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Of course, citizen. Square heard of a new way to make money and scrambled together a poorly designed plan to capitalize on it only to find that most people see NFTs as worthless.




Forge's glow watch over you.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

LCS

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LMAO omg man.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Of course, citizen. Square heard of a new way to make money and scrambled together a poorly designed plan to capitalize on it only to find that most people see NFTs as worthless.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

If overworking their team is the issue, they could also just...hire more people? It's not like SE is some small indie studio that doesn't have the money to do so. They would just rather throw their money at crappy NFT games and other trash than take good care of their big cash cow.

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SE will always look for ways to maximize profits, whether thats cutting costs by not hiring adequate numbers of employees or trying to create cash grabs like NFT games. Their priority is paying dividends to their investors. Oh, and probably giving hefty bonuses to senior management too.

Quality over quantity and most definitely over NFT!!!

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

SE will always look for ways to maximize profits, whether thats cutting costs by not hiring adequate numbers of employees or trying to create cash grabs like NFT games. Their priority is paying dividends to their investors. Oh, and probably giving hefty bonuses to senior management too.

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Citizen, want to check out another upcoming game by Square that will most likely be a failure? Look up Project Hikari which is a VR game based on a manga that will be available to play on the Oculus Rift. Please look forward to it /s

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Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero

Quality over quantity and most definitely over NFT!!!

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Very based, citizen.




For duty and valor.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Citizen, want to check out another upcoming game by Square that will most likely be a failure? Look up Project Hikari which is a VR game based on a manga that will be available to play on the Oculus Rift. Please look forward to it /s

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That game's target audience is going to be really small lol. VR games are already quite niche at it is, although TBF, whatever that manga is could have a large audience that we just don't know of. But it does baffle me that SE is working on a game for oculus rift which was already discontinued, unless SE forgot to update the website to say it was meant for oculus quest, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

That game's target audience is going to be really small lol. VR games are already quite niche at it is, although TBF, whatever that manga is could have a large audience that we just don't know of. But it does baffle me that SE is working on a game for oculus rift which was already discontinued, unless SE forgot to update the website to say it was meant for oculus quest, lmao.

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If it was for the OR, I'm sure it will be backwards compatible, citizen. Fundamentally, the OR and the OQ aren't that different. One is just an upgraded version of the other with better features such as improved graphics rendering, faster processing, etc. The Weeaboo Police Department uses VR technology to train its Weeaboo Police Troopers on Lalafell control tactics.





We protect what is ours.

The fact is that none of the post-XII FF titles, other than FFXIV, have done particularly well. The franchise does not have the same reputation it used to have, and the only reason XIV is keeping the company alive is because it heavily leans on referencing the glory days of the franchise when the games were just a lot better (most of SE's other money makers were similar nostalgic crossovers like Dissidia, Opera Omnia, and KH).

There are two ways where the franchise is failing. The first is simply failing to deliver on the broad world-building of prior titles. I think XVI did better than XII, XIII, or XV in trying to provide other things to do than hunt quests as side content, but the franchise still isn't at the level it used to be. I would also postulate that more recent titles simply haven't done as good a job in making distinct, fun character archetypes to play with. While I can see why the franchise may have felt the need to try to grow more adult/realistic beyond these features to compete with a very saturated JRPG market that followed in its wake; I still feel like these features were what made FF a superlative experience and they could still be captured in a more modern way without being totally discarded for the comparative blandness we got in XII, XIII, and XV.

The second is that the stories just have not been as thematically deep as they were in VI, VII, VIII, and X. The golden age was really about taking the fantasy setting to really delve into some impressively philosophical topics for video games, and we just haven't seen that in recent games. They have kind of settled back on safe, tropey fantasy plot structures.

More to that point, I think the most egregious problem with the writing is the increased insistence on retrodding the "six summons" canon as increasingly central features of the plot. Summons have slowly been swallowing FF worldbuilding whole, and frankly that whole concept was already played out in XI. The reason why none of these titles have been home runs is because we have *already* explored the Ifrit/Shiva/Ramuh/Titan/Garuda/Leviathan thing in XI, and again in XIV. It is why both XV and XVI weren't totally mind-blowing to anyone because so much of the framework was familiar. The franchise really needs to step away from the summon canon. It needs to write stories again that weren't so focused on summons. And it would heavily benefit from introducing fresh blood into the summon roster like we got with Quetzacoatl, Eden, Valefor, Ixion, Anima, Brynhidlr, and Hecatoncheir.

If they want this franchise to return to being the gold standard of the genre, they need to stop safely recycling stuff and come up with new ideas again instead of rehashing old ideas. And they need to so soon because XIV is almost out of things to steal from the golden era games. I'm honestly stunned SE haven't realized this yet.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

The Weeaboo Police Department uses VR technology

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Yep you know the popular saying. "Train like you fight."

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

I'm honestly stunned SE haven't realized this yet.

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I'm sure they have, it's just they don't want to do anything about it. SE is a big proponent of "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it," and I don't mean in-game systems which are actually broken, cuz there are several of those that won't see a resolution any time soon. As long as the flow of cash isn't broken, SE will continue along with the same formula. Unfortunately, we can absolutely expect to see the same ideas recycled from the golden era games over and over again because it's what most customers are willing to put up with and shell out money for.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Yep you know the popular saying. "Train like you fight."

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Of course, citizen. The WPD VR training tech is very adept at mimicking the Lalafell Warrior Elite's movement and combat techniques. Training for our Weeaboo Police Troopers has never been more realistic.





Fight as one.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Yep you know the popular saying. "Train like you fight."



I'm sure they have, it's just they don't want to do anything about it. SE is a big proponent of "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it," and I don't mean in-game systems which are actually broken, cuz there are several of those that won't see a resolution any time soon. As long as the flow of cash isn't broken, SE will continue along with the same formula. Unfortunately, we can absolutely expect to see the same ideas recycled from the golden era games over and over again because it's what most customers are willing to put up with and shell out money for.

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Yeah this. They're going to chase "younger gamers" for the next 50 years just like they tried the last 15 or so years. Making XVI like devil may cry and with virtually no rpg elements was them chasing the fortnite type gamers who need to mash the buttons every second they're playing the game. Ironically Baldur's Gate 3 came out the same year with rpg elements that eclipse anything FF has done in its history and sells tens of millions of copies and was objectively the game of the year.

I expect FFXVII in 2033 to be another attempt at Dante-fying the franchise. I expect XVII to not have long cutscenes, it'll be 90% gameplay, 10% on the fly dialogue; a quick 10-12 hours adventure like most DMC games; they're going to stop pretending FF is an rpg series.

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Originally Posted by missTori

Without spoiling it, there's no reason to care because the dlc happens at the point in the story before you beat the game.

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this is pretty common with DLCs for games that have proper ends...or even games that don't have proper ends. You can absolutely go do Dragonborn in Skyrim before ever tackling the main quest in any meaningful way, but that DLC came out years after the game released for instance. Sonic Fronters' The Final Horizon update is an alternate last fourth of the main game, requiring no game completion, and came out like a year after the game released. The only real major game I've played that released DLC that required main story completion because it continues the story is......the latest Pokemon games of all things.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Training for our Weeaboo Police Troopers has never been more realistic.

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Lmao, I believe it.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Yeah this. They're going to chase "younger gamers" for the next 50 years just like they tried the last 15 or so years. Making XVI like devil may cry and with virtually no rpg elements was them chasing the fortnite type gamers who need to mash the buttons every second they're playing the game. Ironically Baldur's Gate 3 came out the same year with rpg elements that eclipse anything FF has done in its history and sells tens of millions of copies and was objectively the game of the year.

I expect FFXVII in 2033 to be another attempt at Dante-fying the franchise. I expect XVII to not have long cutscenes, it'll be 90% gameplay, 10% on the fly dialogue; a quick 10-12 hours adventure like most DMC games; they're going to stop pretending FF is an rpg series.

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Yep, thats true. FFXVI sold quite well so I fully expect SE to create another game just like it to mirror that success. But I have a feeling they'll continue to release more RPG games in the future too because it's a safe option and is something that SE can fall back on. As long as it's turning a profit, SE will do everything they can to squeeze every dollar out of it.

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Originally Posted by missTori

Like why did ff16 get a leviathan dlc when...you don't even care anymore after you beat the game? Without spoiling it, there's no reason to care because the dlc happens at the point in the story before you beat the game. ff15 all over again :/

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It's a cash grab, nothing more. I'm sure there are fans who bought it as soon as it was released. It's probably a discarded sidequest that was meant for the original release of the game, but SE couldn't have it ready by the deadline, so they just removed it from the game and put it on the shelf for a while. Then later they repackaged it as DLC and slapped a price tag on it.

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Originally Posted by missTori

I hope they can buckle down and figure out what they want to do moving forward. Whether they trim the fat from having too many teams, stop releasing mario kart racing ripoffs..the goofy gimmicks need to stop. The last thing i want to see is more gaming studios closing down and then we have ...ubisoft? EA?

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Yeah, I hope so too. The amount of failed projects from SE recently has been astonishing to say the least. Who at SE thought games like Marvel Avengers, Symbiogenesis, and Balan Wonderworld were good ideas. Forspoken could've been salvaged if they had just put some effort into it.

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

What exactly are you even talking about? It's an MMO.

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That doesn't mean it gets a free pass on lackluster writing\content\systems.

They make it hard for us to give them money. How are they going to get revenue 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

But I have a feeling they'll continue to release more RPG games in the future too because it's a safe option and is something that SE can fall back on. As long as it's turning a profit, SE will do everything they can to squeeze every dollar out of it.

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Agreed, citizen. The FFVII Remake is putting up good numbers. There will always be a market for the fans of the original greats.




The strongest spirits will always triumph.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Agreed, citizen. The FFVII Remake is putting up good numbers. There will always be a market for the fans of the original greats.




The strongest spirits will always triumph.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was an FF8 remake in the future too, lmao.

SE did some bangers games this year, too bad AAA games are losing steam.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was an FF8 remake in the future too, lmao.

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I would spend ALL MY MONEY on that and all the DLC 5-6 times over. ff8r, ff9r, ff10... eh idk about 10. lmao but big fan of 7-9

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was an FF8 remake in the future too, lmao.

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Indeed, citizen. Using the same formula too: one game split into a trilogy with many added features. That's not to say it's a bad thing. The added depth to the remake is what makes it so good.




May your blades never dull.

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Originally Posted by 1313

I would spend ALL MY MONEY on that and all the DLC 5-6 times over. ff8r, ff9r, ff10... eh idk about 10. lmao but big fan of 7-9

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Yep, same here.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Indeed, citizen. Using the same formula too: one game split into a trilogy with many added features. That's not to say it's a bad thing. The added depth to the remake is what makes it so good.

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I'd hope a potential FF8 remake does follow that same formula. It's been fun watching other people play FF7R on Twitch because it has excellent movie-quality cutscenes. In fact every thing has been great about it so far.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

I'd hope a potential FF8 remake does follow that same formula. It's been fun watching other people play FF7R on Twitch because it has excellent movie-quality cutscenes. In fact every thing has been great about it so far.

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What's even more great is the absence of the Lalafell Menace from these universes, citizen. Their citizens will be able to rest easy, knowing their children are safe from the threat of the Lalafell Menace.





Forge's glow watch over you.

How about an FF14 remake?

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Originally Posted by Naple

How about an FF14 remake?

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Only if they give us rpg elements like elemental damage, status effects, and physical damage types. Basically copy most of Baldur gate's 3 battle system. but in real time without turns.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

propaganda

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Lmao, you think of the Lalafells as the Terminids from Helldivers 2.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Only if they give us rpg elements like elemental damage, status effects, and physical damage types. Basically copy most of Baldur gate's 3 battle system. but in real time without turns.

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That would be amazing if the game was overhauled like this. Might as well add in voice acting for every NPC in the game too.

Financials are out:


See p.2 and 8 for a discussion of new orientations for 2024-2027
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/n...q4earnings.pdf

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Lmao, you think of the Lalafells as the Terminids from Helldivers 2.



That would be amazing if the game was overhauled like this. Might as well add in voice acting for every NPC in the game too.

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If XIV were made with the same effort as Baldur's Gate 3, it would destroy any MMO out there for years. Could you imagine if this game let the player have relationships with the NPC, G-rated relationships of course, with unlockable cut scenes and dialogue depending on the Warrior of Light's relationship status with the NPC? Just no relationships with Lalafells though.




Sun and moon light your way.

Dont know who else has heared about it. But SE is going full multi platform with their games. So all Futute FF games will be avabile on all platforms. I say about damn time SE about damn tine..

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

If XIV were made with the same effort as Baldur's Gate 3, it would destroy any MMO out there for years.

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If FF XIV were made with the same effort, it would have been a stand-alone RPG in, um, 2018. After the debacle that was 1.x, I doubt many players would have invested in three years of "early access" three years after the game ended.

If you mean they should take six years between expansions (the "same effort" you're touting), it would certainly destroy any MMO out there. Assuming anyone would actually wait six years for the expansion.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

If FF XIV were made with the same effort, it would have been a stand-alone RPG in, um, 2018. After the debacle that was 1.x, I doubt many players would have invested in three years of "early access" three years after the game ended.

If you mean they should take six years between expansions (the "same effort" you're touting), it would certainly destroy any MMO out there. Assuming anyone would actually wait six years for the expansion.

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yeah, people bitch and moan about "dead game" and "no content" even with the three years in between expacs as-is lol

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

If FF XIV were made with the same effort, it would have been a stand-alone RPG in, um, 2018. After the debacle that was 1.x, I doubt many players would have invested in three years of "early access" three years after the game ended.

If you mean they should take six years between expansions (the "same effort" you're touting), it would certainly destroy any MMO out there. Assuming anyone would actually wait six years for the expansion.

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xiv takes 3+ years and it's nowhere near the same quality as BG3. Morever, you don't need 6 years to introduce water hits fire aspected enemies for more damage.