Absolutely no more new races please

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Originally Posted by Senn

I disagree. I would like to see new races added to the game in the future. However, I think we need improved character customization first.

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100% this
There are so many character creation options from other "modern" games I'd rather see implemented to the existing races before adding anymore

For example:
blanket across all races

Eyeliner styles and RGB color selection
Underliner styles and RGB color selection
Eyeshadow styles and RGB color selection
Blush styles and RGB color selection
way way way more facial markings/tattoos and RGB color selection
fingernail and toenail paint style and RGB color selection (style as in patterns, and various digits painted/unpainted)
being able to manipulate the hair highlight boundaries (point of origin and size/scope of gradient)
existing extra features not locked to face selection for variety at character creation

Au Ra
horns not attached to face selection
way way way more horn variety selectable

miqo, viera, lala, elezen, hroth
way way way more ear variety selectable

Nah. They should absolutely keep the development of new races in their back pocket.

BUT

They should only release a new race when they are finished, like make sure they can wear all types of gear, and that both M, and F version can be released at the same time.

+1 on character creation improvements first. It's so limiting , it looks really bad amongst more modern MMOs. They've already done the graphics update as a measure to modernize the game, why not the character creator as well?

I actually agree that there should be a pause on new races. It's been really fun seeing all the wild suggestions people have but I hope the devs don't take any of this fantasizing to heart. At least not for a long time. I'd like to see more resources going towards job balance, character customization and glamour restrictions lifted personally. But at the very least I would like to see how and where the devs use the time they had allotted to race development in the future

We've had a new race/gender of race every expansion except Stormblood. I'd say it's completely fine to take an expansion off from creating new races, to focus on improving individual character customization.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

We've had a new race/gender of race every expansion except Stormblood. I'd say it's completely fine to take an expansion off from creating new races, to focus on improving individual character customization.

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Same. I’d definitely like to see more options for the existing races first. In the same vein, if we’ve got some devs that are just itching to make new race options, they could always add new “tribes” to the existing races! I know there’s a lot of people who’d like to see taller Au Ra females as well as different horn/scale patterns, more slight & delicate Elezen, a more mature dwarven version of Lala, etc.

More new races, please.

I agree with OP, no new races for now. They are a waste of time and money, and the ones they have been making for the past while have been released in a shoddy and incomplete fashion. A new race is not a "set it and forget it" thing where they make it and it's done forever; it compounds the workload for every single piece of glam, every emote and job action animation, every hairstyle, every cutscene where the camera has to account for player height or if an NPC makes a unique quip regarding your race. Everything puts one more piece of straw on the camel's back. To be fair, that's true of a lot aspects of an ever-growing game like this, but in my opinion the ratio of "how much strain does this put on designers and graphic artists" versus "how much does this really make the game significantly better" does not present very good bang for your buck. Especially when it's apparently evident that they're really struggling with Viera and Hrothgar as is.

In another MMORPG where you're expected to play alt characters if you want to try different classes, new race choices make sense. In FFXIV, they are little more than a gimmick to sell Fantasias to a minority of players.

more options for existing races

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

more options for existing races

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Actually, this too. Absolutely this, too.

I could go through 8.0 with no new races, but there's still several races that could be mined from the rest of the series and added eventually. Burmecians are my favorite choice, but there's also the various races in Crystal Chronicles and Tactics they could pull from.

ngl I would like to see one thing if they did decide to bring in a new race and that thing is specifically biracial folx. Like if I want to play a viera/miqo'te offspring or an elezen/hyur, I think that kind of system would be neat and something no real MMO has really done. In fact it would work for a lot of people's backstories for their WoL, like mine is she was born to a viera mother that travelled throughout the world and a Ala Mhigan Miqo'te scholar, being able to reflect that in the game would actually be really cool.

If they were to add new races, I'd like to see Shumi or Moomba, Burmecians or maybe one of the beast tribes like Matanga or Omicrons.
But before they do that, they definately need to put a LOT more stuff in for the existing races.

I thought they said there wouldn't be any more races? Which kinda makes this discussion moot unless their stance has changed.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I thought they said there wouldn't be any more races? Which kinda makes this discussion moot unless their stance has changed.

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Which would be perfectly fine, considering they couldn't even find the time to adjust hats for Hroth and Viera, having a whole new race with 2 genders to adjust gear for, especially with the new graphics overhaul they have to tune as well, I don't see any new races happening before 8.0 if ever

New races have always been the most exciting part of MMOs to me (even if I never played them myself until like 4 years ago) and I've never particularly cared about hats, I like being able to see my character's face, so I was disappointed when they declared female Hrothgar would be the last. I don't expect it'll happen anytime soon, but I'm personally glad they changed their stance on that

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I thought they said there wouldn't be any more races? Which kinda makes this discussion moot unless their stance has changed.

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Female Hrothgar are technically a new race. :) Because there is no difference for having a new gender for an existing races or introducing a new race. In both cases, there is a new character model, you have to adjust all dresses to it etc. And the technology does not stand still. If they implement a physics engine into the game engine then those adjustments for new character models will become way easier etc.



Cheers

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I thought they said there wouldn't be any more races? Which kinda makes this discussion moot unless their stance has changed.

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They made a vague claim of "it's up to us" if there'd be more races, which I assume just means they'll think about it if demand is high enough.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They made a vague claim of "it's up to us" if there'd be more races, which I assume just means they'll think about it if demand is high enough.

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So this is basically going to be there will be a new race either in post-DT or 8.0 because the fanbase is always wanting new races. The only time I haven't seen demand for a new race in an MMO was probably ESO and even then I'm sure there are people who want maormer, reachmen or ayleids to be playable.

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Originally Posted by DisasterGayofCrisis

So this is basically going to be there will be a new race either in post-DT or 8.0 because the fanbase is always wanting new races. The only time I haven't seen demand for a new race in an MMO was probably ESO and even then I'm sure there are people who want maormer, reachmen or ayleids to be playable.

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Which is pretty much the entire reason I made this thread.

Let's be real, Square/Yoshi are smart enough to be aware of this. They're not going to turn down the opportunity to use one of their biggest hype generators for a new expansion, especially when most of the playerbase will blindly support it, even if it could possibly result in a decline in quality elsewhere.

I disagree. I think they are still missing a few varieties in races or make a other sub race for existing races. We need a smaller male model (taller than lalafell but smaller than miqo etc ) (like female au'ra size) a plus size character would be good for some people like dulia-chai. If i had to pick a new race it would be either genomes or a shorter furry fox race which would be adorable.

Im wanting a new race (mainly aimed at males) thats taller than a lalafell but shorter than the rest. Like female au'ra size. Like alphinaud basically. Genome would fit that perfectly plus they look majestic and have monkey tails xD. Or a smaller furry fox race to be another beast type race but shorter for an opposite of hrothgars

I agree with the commenters saying they'd like to see Bumercians or a smaller stature race to go with Lalafells. A lot of work goes into making Lalafell sized gear so I wouldn't be against those assets having another use for a second race and it'd hopefully offer some nice variety for people who like playing smaller characters. But I'm not exactly in a rush to get them either and would rather they improve what we have first.

I think maybe having one more phys ranged job being the final job is further up on no longer adding stuff then races.
Could you imagine another 11 jobs in this game how the hell would the Devs even approach balancing that without making them basically the same as another job?

Agree, instead of new races
Spend that time/money on
improving character customization instead.

I think a good compromise would be to just expand the races we already have in simple ways that don't need you to remodel every armor piece in the game, like a whole new race would.
Stuff like having half-races. They could add it as a new option for the "clan" select in character creation, and it could have stuff like Hyur/Elezen hybrids with slightly bigger ears, a taller height range (same model, just a bit bigger) and extra skin color options for Duskwights.
A similar thing could be done with lalafel and au'ra too.
Maybe they could even add the choice to make a half viera with normal human ears. (still no hats though probably.)
Getting some of these either next expansion or the one after would probably be the best bet for when the playerbase just really wants some more character customization options.

I'm very much against the idea of new races.
I agree with those saying SE should expand on the already-existing characters... More race exclusive hairstyles, more individuality amongst the different races and more options in character customisation.

Finish the last two races first, then we can talk about more.

It's very simple, we can have both new races and no more limited races.

1. Make it so Hrothgar and Viera can use all hairstyles and hats.
2. Create new race that can wear hats and has access to most hairstyles.

SE can market it for their expansion and we can enjoy the new things. SE is no indie company they can afford to do this.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

SE is no indie company they can afford to do this.

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THIS^^^
This company has more money than we can fathom. the only reason its not done is they dont care to spend the money on it.. Japan prefers to work a few people to death for max profits versus hiring on the team that is needed.

we could have 1 race or 50 races, and it would be the same problem.. look how many races other games have; wow, for instance, has never had to release male/female at separate times, and every one of its races can wear everything in game (yes besides the specific racial armor, for lore reasons only.)

Point is, dont search for things to blame for things not getting done when the company is right here, if you want a boogieman to blame then make it every game square pulls devs to make, so how about no more main series games if it takes the 14 team away from their current paying customers.

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Originally Posted by Corymwinchester

I disagree. I think they are still missing a few varieties in races or make a other sub race for existing races. We need a smaller male model (taller than lalafell but smaller than miqo etc ) (like female au'ra size) a plus size character would be good for some people like dulia-chai. If i had to pick a new race it would be either genomes or a shorter furry fox race which would be adorable.

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So a "gnome" type race that has variable "horns" or "tails" just to cover all the bases.

To be honest, I think the game has "enough" races and we're unlikely to get another that can't be scaled to what's already in the game. So the result is we get something like "Gnomes" that are basically TERA's Elin with horns/tails options, that use the same Lalafell gear.

The biggest problem with adding a race, is that it requires adding all new gear, going back to level 1. It can be done, it just isn't cost-effective to do so. We need the gender parity because people cry foul, but we don't necessarily need "new races" when they could just unlock some of the magnets on the existing models.

Like for example, let's say we could adjust the height of lalafells so that they could be an entire head taller. Is there any lore reason why that isn't possible? Likewise Miqote tails and Au Ra tails. There's no engine limitation that says they can't. It's just lore reasons why you don't see Miqote that aren't "cat" and likewise I assume Hrothgar's are "Lion-like" because that minimizes the the need to have gear fit another "animal ears" type. The reason why the newer races to the game don't have hats is pretty obvious when you see what happens when Miqote and Au Ra wear them. They have to make them unique to every race. So they opted to just not do that. It would make more sense if they just provided a lore reason.

But I see some people's point that if they aren't going to provide all the different gear, maybe they should not add further races that deviate from what's there. We see "child female miqote", "child male/female Au ra" and "child male/female hyur" in the game, so clearly the game has models and animations for a character that size. They could just leverage that for another race that just mixes and matches what we already have from the Hyur, and Miqote children. Add the horns from Padjal (they're basically JUST hyur with horns) and you have the option to have a Padjal race without adding any additional assets to the game. Likewise we've seen how the child Garleans are just "taller" Hyur children type models too. So having a "Garlean" race wouldn't be impossible except for Lore reasons that would prevent them from having the caster jobs.

If it were possible to change magnets of the body sizes of the standard races we already further, so we could have "somewhat thicker" or "curvier" characters would be welcome, but maybe just have "magnetic accessory slots" (PSO2 has like dozens of slots) that just allow the player to attach and glamor things like wings, horns, tails, to any character type. Within reason. Like a miqote player might want to temporarily glamor over their cat traits for halloween. There are also players out there who maybe want a different style of "animal" ears that the game doesn't offer that could just hide the miqote ears and place the static other (eg fox, mouse) type in place (or better yet keep them emote-able.) The existing fashion accessory system is limited in that you can't bring it into the dungeon, nor does it persist on a mount, when a minion is out, or when you attune to an air aether current.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

It's very simple, we can have both new races and no more limited races.

1. Make it so Hrothgar and Viera can use all hairstyles and hats.
2. Create new race that can wear hats and has access to most hairstyles.

SE can market it for their expansion and we can enjoy the new things. SE is no indie company they can afford to do this.

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You can say "we can have both" all you want but if they announce a new race when I can't use a huge chunk of gear in this game I'm going to be extremely mad.
Fix Viera and Hroths first and then we can talk about new races.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Absolutely no more new races please

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I agree. More customization options to existing races instead of new races! Body tattoos, new face paints, separate makeup options, let us choose Au Ra horn color, finish Viera and Hroth, new hairstyles and hair colors, add more optional running animations and idles to all races, etc.

Actually there's no better time for them to introduce a winged race now that we're getting "mounts" in 7.0 that are just wings (I say, only half-jokingly)

It's funny to see people wanting them to add more races after seeing how half-assed hrothgar and viera still are

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Originally Posted by Mouthbone

It's funny to see people wanting them to add more races after seeing how half-assed hrothgar and viera still are

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That’s just it.
The idea of new races is more appealing than the actual thing. Once the novelty wears off people just end up switching back to their preferred race

I'm not sure what other races there would be to add?

Ivalice moogles!!

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But NO. Fix Viera/Hrothgar's first. BTW, NICE HAT THAT MOOGLE HAS WITH THE EAR HOLES.....

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

This company has more money than we can fathom. the only reason its not done is they dont care to spend the money on it..

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People love to parrot the "BUT SE MAEKZ GORILLION DOLAR" talking point across social media but they're only outing themselves as having absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Anyone who has spent any amount of time working on software/hardware development in a large corporation can tell you "throw money at it" is not a solution that makes any kind of sense to the majority of challenges you face. There are a million and one hoops you have to jump through to get anything done regardless of what your resources are, and even in the biggest company in the world your team is going to have limited resources.

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Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus

wow, for instance, has never had to release male/female at separate times, and every one of its races can wear everything in game (yes besides the specific racial armor, for lore reasons only.)

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Races with digitigrade legs have their foot gear turned into ankle wraps and the newest race of dragon people do not show gear at all while in their dragon form.

Frogs. I want to play as a bipedal frog. I have his name picked out and everything.