Concerning the 2 new Jobs

I started a new character and unlock Gunbreaker after only unlocking Sastasha and Tam-Tara. I leveled up solely from leveling roulette and PotD 1-10. It's definitely possible for new players to play the game with the new jobs.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

If we are going to have a pirate as our melee job and it will most likely use scouting gear, I would like it to branch off of the Rouge class at level 30. The ground work is already there.

As for the magic dps class. If it is going to be the geomancer (the astrologian of kugane), I would also like it to be available at level 50 along side the samurai.

These 2 new jobs would be available for the free version as well. As incentives to draw in new players. I know that some fans may be upset if they did it this way, but I am looking at the longevity of the game.

If you have the new classes at level 70+, new players will not get the chance to try out the new cool flashy thing and be forced to play for hours of a job they didn\\\\'t want to play. Which they may decide to pass on the game all together because of it.

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Honestly I think the perfect middle ground would be that new players can start pick any job from level 1 but that veterans get to start from whatever the devs decide for the expansion. Lets new players try the jobs they want and avoids veterans from complaining about how shitty it is from starting back at level 1 again.

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Originally Posted by Rychu

Honestly I think the perfect middle ground would be that new players can start pick any job from level 1 but that veterans get to start from whatever the devs decide for the expansion. Lets new players try the jobs they want and avoids veterans from complaining about how shitty it is from starting back at level 1 again.

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It's not veterans that would complain about starting back at level 1 again. It's simply a specific type of player which is found in both the veteran and new player demographics.

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Originally Posted by Rychu

Honestly I think the perfect middle ground would be that new players can start pick any job from level 1 but that veterans get to start from whatever the devs decide for the expansion. Lets new players try the jobs they want and avoids veterans from complaining about how shitty it is from starting back at level 1 again.

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You'll get complainers regardless, favor new players then non-newbies will get upset that they can't do the same thing (say someone who's played for over a year wants to try GNB from lvl 1 but cant).

Give vets an easy ride and new players will complain about the amount of work they have to put in just because they're new.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

It's not veterans that would complain about starting back at level 1 again. It's simply a specific type of player which is found in both the veteran and new player demographics.

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and I think those players forget that we have boosted exp for second jobs. And we have plenty of experience farms in the roulette and others. And gear isn't a big issue as well.

So the viper is out. And one of the moves does look like the Rogue opener.

This thought did just occur. If the ninja and viper share the rogue. The viper can actually start at level 30. And veterans, when they unlock it, will have the viper at their current ninja level. It's the best of both worlds.

They already said Viper isn't connected to any class.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I wish new jobs started at a lower level to give you more time to learn it and make it easier to ease into the class instead of having an entire kit thrown at you when you pick it up for the first time. Unfortunately I highly doubt SE will change their way of starting new jobs and it will start at level 80 and not be attached to any previous class. Also the new jobs are a way for SE to hype up a new expansion and get people to purchase it, the free trial getting stormblood is kind of the incentive for new players to try it out.

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all you have to do is solo potd's 1st 2 floors and learn the beginnings of your class

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Originally Posted by Yencat

They already said Viper isn't connected to any class.

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they could be lying for a big surprise.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

they could be lying for a big surprise.

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They don't. They are very upfront. Also called it, it wasn't corsair. Sword was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They don't. They are very upfront. Also called it, it wasn't corsair. Sword was wrong.

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They can also change their minds. That move set looks far to similar to the Rogue.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

They can also change their minds. That move set looks far to similar to the Rogue.

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They're not changing their minds this late out. The job is probably a coding issue and a tuning pass away from "done."

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

They're not changing their minds this late out. The job is probably a coding issue and a tuning pass away from "done."

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how is it to late? It was just announced. Or are you one of those guys that think the time to change minds was 3 to 5 years ago when the very first thought seed was planted.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

how is it to late? It was just announced. Or are you one of those guys that think the time to change minds was 3 to 5 years ago when the very first thought seed was planted.

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Netflix releases the teaser for a new Netflix original animated series, containing snippets from episodes across the first half of its first season.

"No, they're not changing it now."

"But why? They've only just teased it!"

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What's revealed is not likely to be nearly the limit of what has been done.

If one's writing a dissertation, they don't give a peak at the larger work as anything publishable until they're already pretty damn sure they can finish that project, usually by having damn near all of it pretty thoroughly planned out.

The same goes here. We know the storylines for each expansion are mostly charted out by about the time the previous one is released. We know that job additions are often made in parallel with / mindful of those expansion features and storylines.

Why then would we assume that they'd completely change their mind about what aesthetic they'd want to go with after already having locked in the name, gear, style, and proposed identity?

Planning this things take months or years. Viper was probably planned as soon Endwalker was launched, since the devs starts the next expansion as soon they release the previous ones. This wasn't made in 2023, it probably date from 2021 or 2022.

people do not take very seriously schedules and development pipelines. People think things can be done in weeks, when they have already a bunch of things to do previously. I would even say that the 7.X patch series are already planned and in development alongside expansion.

I guess you guys forget about community feedback.

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

I guess you guys forget about community feedback.

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Said community has given feedback about, for example, AST's APM being super painful for some during it's burst window, and that Lightspeed is essentially 'forced' to be used there to allow doubleweaving. Two charges of Lightspeed would alleviate the second of those issues, and yet we still have only one charge.

Living Dead took several years to address. MCH's Hypercharge took years to be given stacks. DRK's Blood Weapon took years to be given stacks. Sure, the team listens to feedback, but at the rate they seem to act on it, you'll be getting the changes you're on about in 9.4 or so

Oh wait, you're asking for a new job to be tied to an old class, after it's implementation's already done. Which would be like asking 'hey can we split SCH/SMN, and have one of them reset to 1 so we have to level it again'. It ain't happening

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

I guess you guys forget about community feedback.

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Then I guess the devs are in good company?

Well, I guess they still have their cherrypicked/misconstrued bits that occasionally slip through the cracks in their wall, but should actions something that hurts the goals of said feedback really be called a response "to" that feedback? That seems more an "against".

Yeah... not happening, already stated seperate from rogue/nin. Theyve mentioned tons of times they hate that sch/smn share a class with a passion so why another?

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Originally Posted by DragonHearthX

I guess you guys forget about community feedback.

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Feedback would have to be overwhelmingly, universally negative for the devs to care about pivoting central features of a job class after it had been finalized for a reveal.

Such was not the case here, there are plenty of people clamoring about how much they love the job online. They will not change it.

I'm not really digging the name though. I do hope there was enough negativity surrounding that, since it is a minor aesthetic change. Just call the job Ranger please Squeenix.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

If the new jobs start at low levels, existing players will be annoyed at having to grind them all the way up before they can continue the story. We've already seen that back in Heavensward.

There's really no perfect solution here, unfortunately. One way or the other, somebody's gonna be mad about it.

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Its hardly a grind when doing a leveling rou with like 12hrs rested exp and food. You get nearly 3 levels worth of exp with that and in conjunction with deep dungeons and bozja it's pretty easy to get to 90 in just a few days if you dedicate said days to it and maybe also utilize your wonderous tails.
That said I don't see Square making you start at a level lower than 80 now that sage/reaper exist.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

Just call the job Ranger please Squeenix.

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...Please no.

"Ranger" originally referred to a person entrusted with the care of a range of (typically private) land, usually to ensure that there is enough to hunt, raise, or fish on said land, often through wildlife management (including through hunting overpopulating or adversely invasive elements) and preventing poaching by peasants through preemptive or retributive threat if that land was privately owned (which it almost always was; a feudal lord being the government doesn't make the land they own public). And even now, it still refers to land management, known far more for its trekking and ecological observation and road maintenance, etc., than for anything to do with combat.

Now take a look at Viper's gear. Does their armor look the attire of someone who'd be travelling constantly through the countryside, sleeping outdoors at least as often as not? Look at their weapons? Is that what you'd expect for a hybrid between an ecologist and hunter of prey animals and the occasional trapper of wolves or wild dogs?

Even in DnD, a Rangers' unique functionality has little to nothing to do with melee combat. If you want a dual-wielding swordsman, both Fighters and Rogues do that better. Drizzt is as famous as he is largely because he is an amalgamation of outliers, a righteous, kind, surface-dwelling member of an under-dwelling mercenary, and typically outright cruel people who becomes a Ranger later in life (after already having picked up dual-wielding as a Fighter) who sticks to melee weapons. His being a Ranger has everything to do with him being an outworlder, a naturalist, not... dual-swords.

What part of Viper's garb makes them appear someone comfortable out in nature (while still pragmatic and/or short of glorifying said nature, per a Druid)?


Viper's aesthetic is that of an urban rogue with perhaps the occasional side of dungeoneering or piracy. It looks nothing like a Ranger.