Discuss: Lady Iceheart Attire

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

THIS! I wanted the forking backpack since EW was released and i truly believed that when they dropped the patch artwork where the WoL has a backpack on we would actually get one... but no.

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Don't be surprised when fashion accessories start appearing in the cash shop. Honestly at that point I'm done with the game, though I'm already on the way out. I hope their plan to focus on casuals who play for less than a few months vs hardcore players who will stay subbed and buy everything without questioning will work out for them in the long run.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

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Well I suppose the literal only benefit is that it's equipable on every Job...

But it's once again seeming like the people in charge of the cash shop don't even know anything about the game.

Yeah I will pass given I can make a free version on my casters and the Altered Felt Robe is all classes and then it is just Hall of the Novice's Brand New set for magic classes.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Same thing goes with the some of the Scion ARR attires, that being custom dyed regular ARR dungeon gear. The Ysayle one is no different however its still pretty stupid decision in general.

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The ARR Scion gear might be dungeon gear, but they have bits you can't have on them as they have 1.0 versions of that gear. Where for at least the tops include belts that so I've been told were shown on top of the shirts. Since back then they were all a visible item and weren't just an armor slot. Anyway...

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

Guys you have Ion's saboteurs in your team, because there is no other way to explain the recent online store choices.

Boots, Pants/skirt and Gloves
Are literally green dungeon gear.
Dyeable: no.

What is this maintenance mode stuff?

I'm fine with paying more for some effort but this feels very disappointing.

No iceheart hair (thanks Luluna for suggestion)
No dyeable option despite it's the same as green items
No special animation or emote (some icy swirl or self crystalizing animation, similar to /powerup )

Erenville's backpack for the same price would be more original than this.

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"Yooooooooooooooooo Square did it again, another wonderful creation from our beloved developers who keeps reinventing the MMO genre with every update, can't wait for the next release on Mog store, what are you poor?, what? wait? what? are you saying the outfit doesn't worth 13 American Dollars?, such a hater you're you can unsub at any time, we are here for support Yoshi and the dev team with our lives."

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Originally Posted by Midare

I'm confused... so the whole deal of this thread is to talk about how none of you will buy it...?

I mean, I get it, it's a lazy addition, but... just don't buy it?

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Discussing stuff in a forum that were created in first place to discuss things related to FFXIV?.

How in the world they dare to talk about the game in the official forums? my god.

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Originally Posted by MAJRIS

What is this maintenance mode stuff?

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Without a doubt, um, something enough people have asked?

Would not buy this even if it included the hair tbh.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

$12 for undyeable ARR dungeon gear. :(

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It'd be insulting if it wasn't so laughable.

This is peak jumping the shark.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

How hard can it be SE to add some decent high heel shoes and boots!??

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...Why would an Ysayle costume have heels when Ysayle wore flat boots? I mean, I'm not gonna defend this outfit, but at least blame it for what it actually is.

If there were going to release a Shiva glam, why couldn't they do the one from Refulgence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUi21GPV...g&name=900x900

https://i.imgur.com/rF57MYu.jpg

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

If there were going to release a Shiva glam, why couldn't they do the one from Refulgence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUi21GPV...g&name=900x900

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Yes! This is the Shiva we want! :D And spilt it into multiple pieces too!

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

If there were going to release a Shiva glam, why couldn't they do the one from Refulgence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUi21GPV...g&name=900x900

https://i.imgur.com/rF57MYu.jpg

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Mao would buy.

I'm going to assume it's at least a retextured HQ version and not just a pixelated Sastasha set with a white sash glued on ....right?

Anyone wearing this outfit is just asking to be pointed and laughed at.

Honestly this looks like one of the laziest Mog-Shop releases I've seen. I wonder what basic NPC attire that's already in the game will be released next?

Really disappointed. This should be something they put in the Achievement voucher vendor or something.

The Shiva outfits Chrys posted would have been more defensible.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

This should be something they put in the Achievement voucher vendor or something.

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Getting her clothes as an achievement reward seems kind of morbid to me given the way her story ends. "You beat HW! Congratulations here are Lady Iceheart's clothes." Not that the Mog Station is any better, if you're going to have a sub fee for the game you shouldn't double dip and have a cash shop too.

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Originally Posted by TheOperator3712

Getting her clothes as an achievement reward seems kind of morbid to me given the way her story ends. "You beat HW! Congratulations here are Lady Iceheart's clothes." Not that the Mog Station is any better, if you're going to have a sub fee for the game you shouldn't double dip and have a cash shop too.

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Does it have to be viewed as morbid? Maybe just a quest reward then, and if your character is wearing it, it's because they are honoring her. I mean we get another tragic character's shield as a glam.

Anyway I think my main point is that this release is so basic and lazy, it's bit insulting to put it in a cash shop. Just my opinion, of course.

Without Ysayle's hairstyle the only merit this mogstation set has is the fact that the Acolyte set (which is the same model we have ingame already) is only available to the Disciples of Magic.

I can't deny I was tempted because those longboots are quite nice for aiming and scouting sets, but I don't think it's nice enough to justify spending actual money.

the sad part is that people will buy this. Whoever is charge of the mogstation need to get their head check

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

If there were going to release a Shiva glam, why couldn't they do the one from Refulgence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUi21GPV...g&name=900x900

https://i.imgur.com/rF57MYu.jpg

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They kinda nailed all the ryne outfits.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

Anyone wearing this outfit is just asking to be pointed and laughed at.

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/spit on them.

For the Shiva Glams I would pay even 25 Bucks.

just needs the director and his presenter colleague spending thirty minutes going on about why it needed to go up on the mogstation and how its price is totally justified like that fanfest bike.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Same thing goes with the some of the Scion ARR attires, that being custom dyed regular ARR dungeon gear. The Ysayle one is no different however its still pretty stupid decision in general.

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The ARR Scion outfits have the same niche benefit as this one: a chance to get all-class versions or very specific colour schemes of some otherwise not-all-class gear pieces.

That said, they come at a lower price point than the more unique NPC sets, but Ysayle's does not.

From memory:

Y'shtola's outfit may be DoM only, though no really useful pieces.

Yda's outfit is sadly a single piece besides her DoW-specific hat, apparently because it's necessary to have her shirt and gloves interact correctly, although the shorts and sabatons could have been separate. (Would have given people access to Hyuran hempen pantalettes model and tank greaves. Can now get the greaves as an independent piece from the Liberator set.)

Papalymo's outfit has belted robe in a glossy black that wouldn't have been available as dye at the time; tank gauntlets if you can work with the tacky yellow, and a specific colour scheme of gaskins that has been used for a few NPCs.

Thancred's outfit includes a DoW-specific tunic and potentially-quite-useful armoured caligae.

Urianger's outfit also has DoW-specific caligae, non-armoured in this case. (I like this gear piece. Nice simple design for sandals. A pity it isn't unisex.)

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Originally Posted by TheOperator3712

Getting her clothes as an achievement reward seems kind of morbid to me given the way her story ends. "You beat HW! Congratulations here are Lady Iceheart's clothes."

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Yeah, that would definitely feel wrong.

Wait it's class/role unlocked?

but I thought that "broke immersion???!!?!?!"

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Wait it's class/role unlocked?

but I thought that "broke immersion???!!?!?!"

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As I've been saying for ages, it's pretty likely that's just the line they give instead of having to delve into the specifics of why they can't let us glamour some things freely while keeping others locked down.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the sets which get shared around to different roles when reused are the less class-specific ones, while those with a clear "armoured set, light DPS set and mage robes" go to the same classes again.

There are things they're fine to share around, and things they want to keep class-locked, but their system may be all-or-nothing and they don't want "all".

I know not all of the takes are 100% accurate and fair, but since we have radio silence from the team, please take it as meme with grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Wait it's class/role unlocked?

but I thought that "broke immersion???!!?!?!"

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But me doing level 90 dungeons as a sage in a literal speedo and nothing else is totally immersion maintaining

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Its more of to mock how laughably bad the mogstation is.

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I'm laughing more at those who kept asking SE to add her set to the MogStation like it was something very unique. I'm sure most of them were expecting SE to add the hair but they've made it clear that long hair for player characters won't happen until tech improves considerably.

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Originally Posted by Raiya

It's more the fact that 1) They're charging real money for a costume that has nearly identical existing components in game and the most important bit 2) No Hair Yet Again. They've an aversion to long hair yet if they just included that with this set just like Gaia's with her set and Rynes with hers it would be an instant buy for many.

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1 - they're doing it specifically because players told them they would pay money for the set. At least the top is technically custom.

2 - see above

They've told us this before. While there's some clipping they're willing to let through, the amount of clipping that long hair will have until all supported player clients can handle "bones" added to hairstyles for multiple player characters displayed simultaneously isn't acceptable to them.

Think about how much clipping we get with even some of the shoulder length styles right now. It's pretty annoying. About the only "longish" ones that work are the single ponytails in the back. Hair like Yotsuyu and Ysayle would be fair worse.

I would say that if they were smart, they would stop adding long hairstyles to any NPCs other than trial/raid bosses. All it does is make the players continue to ask for them.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm laughing more at those who kept asking SE to add her set to the MogStation like it was something very unique. I'm sure most of them were expecting SE to add the hair but they've made it clear that long hair for player characters won't happen until tech improves considerably.

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Cool but that still makes SE incredibly scummy for doing it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

1 - they're doing it specifically because players told them they would pay money for the set. At least the top is technically custom.

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I bet they were asking for Shiva (Refulgence) and Square was like, "Oh? You want Shiva (ARR)? Here you go". Who is asking for Shiva ARR outfit in this day and age? Maybe when ARR was released....

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

I bet they were asking for Shiva (Refulgence) and Square was like, "Oh? You want Shiva (ARR)? Here you go". Who is asking for Shiva ARR outfit in this day and age? Maybe when ARR was released....

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This isn't Shiva's outfit, it is Ysayle's. Anyone who asked for Ysayle's outfit expecting a version of Shiva not even connected to her needs to pay more attention to what they're requesting.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This isn't Shiva's outfit, it is Ysayle's. Anyone who asked for Ysayle's outfit expecting a version of Shiva not even connected to her needs to pay more attention to what they're requesting.

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Fair point.... who is asking for Ysayle's outfit in 2023??

Not to sound like those people that drop streamer's opinions but...

https://i.imgur.com/cKK4OA7.png

Even the official r/ffxiv subreddit is mocking the outfit. While a single subreddit isn't the same as the majority of the playerbase, r/ffxiv is still a massive amount of people and they are known for being incredibly positive towards the majority of the game content.

You know you messed up when even your biggest, most positive leaning portion of the fanbase is mocking you.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Not to sound like those people that drop streamer's opinions but...

https://i.imgur.com/cKK4OA7.png

Even the official r/ffxiv subreddit is mocking the outfit. While a single subreddit isn't the same as the majority of the playerbase, r/ffxiv is still a massive amount of people and they are known for being incredibly positive towards the majority of the game content.

You know you messed up when even your biggest, most positive leaning portion of the fanbase is mocking you.

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They were also mostly unified on the idea that post 5.0 healers are bad

GCBTW arguing that mainsub is full of negativity in 3 2 1

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They were also mostly unified on the idea that post 5.0 healers are bad

GCBTW arguing that mainsub is full of negativity in 3 2 1

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Oh yeah, that's true. They do unify on some things. I think hroth/viera hats unified them a few times too.

To me it's a good indicator. At the end of the day most of us are really opinionated and when most everyone manages to agree on something, I think that creates a big statement on whatever they're agreeing about.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Not to sound like those people that drop streamer's opinions but...

https://i.imgur.com/cKK4OA7.png

Even the official r/ffxiv subreddit is mocking the outfit. While a single subreddit isn't the same as the majority of the playerbase, r/ffxiv is still a massive amount of people and they are known for being incredibly positive towards the majority of the game content.

You know you messed up when even your biggest, most positive leaning portion of the fanbase is mocking you.

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The FFXIV subreddit im in is also mocking it...but we mock everything really. Even main sub.

It's just another sad cashgrab.. People will buy it and thats the sad part... until people start rioting ingame or mass unsubbing... this will never improve