The Coil's Situation

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The obvious solution is to force everyone to fight Titan on a PS3.

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I mean, the WHM in my coil static healed T9 on a PS3 while holding a toddler.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I agree with the sentiment that this is important story content. But Coils as it is isn't in a state to go into a normal raid roulette. The thought of T5 or T9 coming up is just terrifying since it would either be a wipefest and abandon or tons of people would just bail right away so you'd have to wait for it to fill again to become a wipefest and abandon.

I think a better option is going back and maybe making a story version that could then go into the normal raid roulette. It would mean development resources would need to be given for it, but it's important enough story to warrant it.

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+1, this is a good idea. Even if it's an NPC-able thing, this warrants a rework for the story significance.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I mean, the WHM in my coil static healed T9 on a PS3 while holding a toddler.

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So what you're saying is that your Coil static's WHM was in fact a witch.

Coils should be done by everyone but I also think that the way coils is designed is never really going to work in the normal raid roulette, making a new coils of story difficulty would require so much extra resources they would basically be making a new raid tier, this is to say nothing of the fact that coils handles cutscenes differently to all the other raids; the cutscenes from 7, 9, 12 and 13 that happen before the fight would have to be moved out of the instance (and since NG+ still can’t seem to get coils cutscenes right there seems to be a problem with the design of coils cutscenes)

While it isn’t exactly terribly lore accurate and I don’t even know if it would be possible my suggestion was always to either have a god mod toggle for coils so you can do it at 50, that or you bring along an NPC that has god mode on it so they can solo the boss for you just so you can do the story

It isn’t exactly an elegant solution but I think we are far past the point of coils actually being fixed in the proper sense

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

turn 5

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I'm not sure about Twintania, but there is at least a hunt version of it that seems stripped of anything difficult.

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There's the Twintania clone in Orthos but that's on fixed floors. They could mimic that and probably just tone down the twisters for a normal raid so they just damage instead of insta-kill and people could learn to muddle through it.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

There's the Twintania clone in Orthos but that's on fixed floors. They could mimic that and probably just tone down the twisters for a normal raid so they just damage instead of insta-kill and people could learn to muddle through it.

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I didn't include that one because of the twisters.

Definitely could use remake/rebalance and to be added to the normal raid roulette.

Given the significance of the story behind it, this kind of feels necessary to do so.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Definitely could use remake/rebalance and to be added to the normal raid roulette.

Given the significance of the story behind it, this kind of feels necessary to do so.

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Absolutely not. If they had to touch Coils again they'd need to make completely separate 'normal' versions for the roulette because their current design sensibilities are so alien to what they were when Coils was made that otherwise they'll end up fouling some of my favorite content in the game.

But, making an entirely separate raid series would be a huge undertaking for their team because they're already running a skeleton crew, which means it's much more likely for them to just take an axe to the existing content the way they have done with almost every retouch, which means I want them to leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

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Was that when she was in the cage about to be eaten by alligators or when she was about to be eaten by giant frogs?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

You mean when we had more fun? Yeh, how horrible to not have a circular arena. Oh noes, I have to kill some adds on the way. The sky is falling. /s
The jumping puzzle isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Was a nice diversion and something new at least.

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Personally I think Alexander was the happy medium. A short puzzle and/or a door boss before the main fight.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Personally I think Alexander was the happy medium. A short puzzle and/or a door boss before the main fight.

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To be fair I think so too. XIV is kinda obsessed with streamlining for better or worse.

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Originally Posted by vetch

Absolutely not. If they had to touch Coils again they'd need to make completely separate 'normal' versions for the roulette because their current design sensibilities are so alien to what they were when Coils was made that otherwise they'll end up fouling some of my favorite content in the game.

But, making an entirely separate raid series would be a huge undertaking for their team because they're already running a skeleton crew, which means it's much more likely for them to just take an axe to the existing content the way they have done with almost every retouch, which means I want them to leave it alone.

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They just finished reworking 3 expansions worth of content to match modern design with the game, they could definitely rework portions that are outliers and bring it in line with modern design without a terribly large hit. Compared to a half dozen dungeons with 3 bosses each per expansion, 13 bosses total isn't that much to change.

The only boss that needs to change is melusine and that’s because phase pushing misaligning mechanics is actually poor design totally incompatible with 14 (both old and new)

I really wouldn’t like them to redo any of the other fights unless they make individual normal versions but i don’t think they will do that

Just make an optional version for people who think the fights are too hard.
Call it "The Bindie Coilies of Bahamuty". It's a solo version where all fights are impossible to lose because when your HP reaches 0 the game revives you to full health and MP with Alisaie's encouragement.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Just make an optional version for people who think the fights are too hard.
Call it "The Bindie Coilies of Bahamuty". It's a solo version where all fights are impossible to lose because when your HP reaches 0 the game revives you to full health and MP with Alisaie's encouragement.

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AST taking about 3 years to kill Bahamut at 50

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Originally Posted by JiraTyanu

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lmao. I don't trust 98% of the player base to do basic mechanics in the current raid tier that's been out for well over 2 months now? What makes you think they'd be good enough to do any of the mechanics in the coil series?? Hell, I had to sit and explain for almost 30min to an entire party of 8 players doing extreme Ramuh SYNCED (even after they said they watched videos)-- and they couldnt even get through it without disbanding in less than 15min in.

T5 twisters would wipe parties out back then, and they will today.
T9's ice or fire in/out would kill players instantly.

I'm not even gonna go over T7, T8, and T11 or 13 lol

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

They just finished reworking 3 expansions worth of content to match modern design with the game, they could definitely rework portions that are outliers and bring it in line with modern design without a terribly large hit. Compared to a half dozen dungeons with 3 bosses each per expansion, 13 bosses total isn't that much to change.

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'Modern design' is the problem. Coils is replayable for fun where other raids aren't because it's experimental and difficult in a non-DDR.way. Because it predates the stale formula they settled into.

The only other thing that probably makes it hard to redo Coils is all the cutscenes. In T1 alone you have one as you enter the place, right as someone goes over the line in everyone's favorite Allagan ball's fight area, another a few steps after you defeat it, another after defeating the 1st golem, one after the 2nd Golem, one for Caduces, one after beating Caduces and finally one after leaving the instance. Now some of the Coils have less than that, but they would have to cut out a lot of cutscenes or move them. Otherwise you'd get old Praetorium levels of people skipping CSes just to have a 1st timer get smacked with back to back CSes.

To be fair just undersize it solo and take as much time with it as you want. Can't be placing it in roulettes in a game that has nerfed all content for years. It's just a relic from a different time.