Garlond GL-IS pricing: how is no one talking about this?

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Actually yes, people not buying off the mog station would "magically improve the quality of in game items" because they wouldnt make items just for people not to buy them, they'd have to put them in game or leave them in a decrepit store with no one buying the items, which means they would eventually end up in the game as in game reward.

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It's delusional to think the items on the store would find a happy home somewhere in the game. Would some things like mounts would? Maybe. However a lot of those nice outfits wouldn't have been made in the first place as they were made with the entire intention to sell them. Also we don't know what all the store funding is for. If it results in employees not being hired to cut costs then no, content is not being improved. This tlrabbit hole is to deep for anyone to correctly figure out. You're allowed to be upset at the lack of content in the game. You're allowed to be upset at the price of the items and the frequency of them. But don't take it out on others because we decided to buy.

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Originally Posted by kayll

Uh huh.

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I don't even know what you are trying to get at anymore. This is about Mog station not PvP. I still stand by what I said in that thread. Agree to disagree and move on.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Love how they think buying off like a whale (which they admitted to do) from the mog shop is okay, but when its in game reward from ranked it's not ok to have any sort of reward from playing it

lmao

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Says the whale that buys a second account just to post on the forums when you hit your post limit for the day and hoards 30 houses. Which you admitted. We really gonna do this pointing fingers nonsense while being a hypocrit? Clean your own doorstep before judging mine.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't even know what you are trying to get at anymore. This is about Mog station not PvP. I still stand by what I said in that thread. Agree to disagree and move on.

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How are you going to disagree that items should come from ranked but when it's about the mog shop and you buying it off like a whale it's okay ? Lmao

Just say you want everything from the mog shop and be honest with yourself, you just want the game to be pay 2 win

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

Says the whale that buys a second account just to post on the forums when you hit your post limit for the day and hoards 30 houses. Which you admitted. We really gonna do this pointing fingers nonsense while being a hypocrit?

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I aint no whale because I have another account lmao but sure ? And I never said I dont have houses either, doesnt mean you're any more right. Also how is my account for the forum when you literally just said its for housing ?

As much as I love the game, I was expecting the mount to be either $15 per character (because of the 2 seats) or $24 if account wide to celebrate the 10 years/fanfest time

I am still not sure how the fanfest thing works. Is the mount time-imited to buy?, because if so, that just makes it even worse throwing FOMO in the mix

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't even know what you are trying to get at anymore. This is about Mog station not PvP. I still stand by what I said in that thread. Agree to disagree and move on.

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Yeah there is a lot you don't seem to understand, have a good one.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

How are you going to disagree that items should come from ranked but when it's about the mog shop and you buying it off like a whale it's okay ? Lmao

Just say you want everything from the mog shop and be honest with yourself, you just want the game to be pay 2 win



I aint no whale because I have another account lmao but sure ? And I never said I dont have houses either, doesnt mean you're any more right. Also how is my account for the forum when you literally just said its for housing ?

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I can buy things off the store and think PvP is shit. Sorry it really makes a couple people upset that not everyone boycotts the Mogstation every time they release new products.

I'm very mixed about this... the mount is completely optional, and I'd never buy it, as I don't find it appealing in the slightest, other than Alpha being cute, but that's hardly worth $30+

On the other hand, not only do I know I have no right to tell people what to do with their own money (and I very much think anyone doing that is rather silly), but I also couldn't care less what people do with said money.
I think every Mog Station mount is a bit overpriced, but because all of them are optional, I'm very meh about the whole thing.

I'd permanently take $10 off every mount on the shop.

Don't ask questions just buy the product.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Anyone take a look over at the JP forums to see how (or if) they're reacting?
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No reaction.
On the other hand something IS WRONG with the EU price.

an account mount costs 3300 yen. This mount costs 4070/3663 yen = 23% more
in EUR it costs 32/28,8 EUR vs 21 EUR = 52% more
in USD it costs 37/33,3 USD vs 29,99 USD = 23% more

I HOPE they fix the EU price TODAY, let's say 25-26 EUR - 11% discount -> 22/23 EUR

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Originally Posted by Raraka

As much as I love the game, I was expecting the mount to be either $15 per character (because of the 2 seats) or $24 if account wide to celebrate the 10 years/fanfest time

I am still not sure how the fanfest thing works. Is the mount time-imited to buy?, because if so, that just makes it even worse throwing FOMO in the mix

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You can buy even after the fanfest.
The price of a fanfest mount is AROUND +20% of a similar mogstation mount.

a 2+ seat costs $29,99

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

(...) Sorry it really makes a couple people upset that not everyone boycotts the Mogstation every time they release new products.

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I don't even mind the idea of mogstation, the price for this bike is pretty outrageous though. The big issue is a severe lack of tangible rewards in-game, with an apparent uptick in mogstation items. I think the team(s) could handle this better. Aside from that, the quality of the actual mogstation releases have left something to be desired. Usually, if you are paying a premium, you should expect to get premium. Not to say it would necessarily be a good thing if mogstation items were continuously of higher quality than things earnable in-game, but come on!

And no I didn't read whatever exchange was going on. I probably agree about ranked PvP rewards, keep exclusives to a minimum. Please and thank you!

You're never going to get this:

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I'd permanently take $10 off every mount on the shop.

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Because of this:

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

But I also couldn't care less what people do with said money. I think every Mog Station mount is a bit overpriced, but because all of them are optional, I'm very meh about the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Don't ask questions just buy the product.

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And then get excited for next product?

https://media.tenor.com/z9pdZ9MS7FMA...me-product.gif

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

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I said what I'd do, not what I want. I barely engage with the shop, so I don't really want much from it in turn. I guess I would want the mounts to be $10 cheaper for other people, because I don't think I'm gonna buy any of them for myself anytime soon either way. It's why I'm just a bit indifferent, despite noting that I do believe they're all overpriced imho.

Know what I do want? A LONG time ago, I accidentally discarded my Lightning boots, but I didn't realize I did it until rather recently (last year or so) and when sending a ticket, they told me it happened so long ago that they couldn't restore the item for me. I'd like to have the boots, but I'm NOT paying $15 for the whole outfit all over again just for the stupid boots. I'd want them to sell separate items again as they did years ago.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Don't ask questions just buy the product.

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Asking questions ???? Question marks that is.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Don't ask questions just buy the product.

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PLOT TWIST: You dont have to.
Just dont buy it, if you dont want it, or if you think its not worth it/To Expensive.
Its really that bloody simple.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

The Price is okay but there are 2 things that I don't like.

1. Alpha in the Passenger Seat
2. Every Race, except Lalafells looks out of place on the Passenger Seat. The Look and the Animation looks like some drunk People created this. So my Money says NOOO, we do not buy ugly looking things.

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The Sanest and More Reasonable Post in this entire Thread.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

PLOT TWIST: You dont have to.
Just dont buy it, if you dont want it, or if you think its not worth it/To Expensive.

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Plot twist, because yall keep buying all their shit we get less stuff in the game, so no, it's not "dont want it dont buy it"

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Plot twist, because yall keep buying all their shit we get less stuff in the game, so no, it's not "dont want it dont buy it"

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Not even true....but there is a very simple thing you can do.
Just
DONT
Buy
It

You have control of your wallet.
Not FFXIV, not SE, not YoshiP

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Not even true....but there is a very simple thing you can do.
Just
DONT
Buy
It

You have control of your wallet.
Not FFXIV, not SE, not YoshiP

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You really aint the smartest of the bunch are you ?

If a company sells something on the shop and its a success, they have no reason to put it in the game as an in game reward for free, why would they ?

This goes on and on for everything that looks nice in the game, and people like you are why everything we get is just dumb recolors and crap looking gear that looks like level 10 leveling gear

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

You really aint the smartest of the bunch are you ?

If a company sells something on the shop and its a success, they have no reason to put it in the game as an in game reward for free, why would they ?

This goes on and on for everything that looks nice in the game, and people like you are why everything we get is just dumb recolors and crap looking gear that looks like level 10 leveling gear

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It cant be this hard to understand the Very Simple Message of "DONT Buy It."
Im literally sitting here telling you, and everyone else that has any amount or type of Issue with the Product, to just, NOT Buy it.

What is even the Pushback here, when Im basically Agreeing with you?

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

You really aint the smartest of the bunch are you ?

If a company sells something on the shop and its a success, they have no reason to put it in the game as an in game reward for free, why would they ?

This goes on and on for everything that looks nice in the game, and people like you are why everything we get is just dumb recolors and crap looking gear that looks like level 10 leveling gear

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Of 12 mounts released last patch, 2 were in shop, and I'm betting my ass that if any of mounts that ARE in game for free, like the Rokkon mounts or the Ambystoma from savage were in shop, people would be rioting just as much because theyd believe THOSE mounts were deserved to be for free instead, just like they're doing now with Shadowkeeper. Frankly, while I don't LIKE the existence of shop and exclusivity of items (in big part because some of best glamours are there), I do think that with this latest batch, anyone who says "oh, theyre putting ALL the cool stuff in shop and game gets nothing" is either strongly biased towards specific type of thing they want happening to be what hits the shop this time, or simply disenginous, because game is still getting lots of free content.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I guess another question would be how the price compares to similar mounts in the cash shops of NA/EU produced games. WoW and Guild Wars 2 seem to have a standard price of US$25 for their cash shop mounts (GW2 price after calculating gem cost) but I could only find single rider mounts, no passenger mounts. ESO has 3 passenger mounts on their cash shop for 5000 Crowns each (closest Crown bundle would be 5500 Crowns for US$39.99 so 5000 would be US$36.35 if you bought that bundle - hi predatory pricing). New World does not have mounts yet (looks like they're being added in October).

So the price here doesn't seem to be out of line with other MMORPGs. I know that doesn't mean that players like the price or think it's appropriate but it's obviously a price that the game industry feels enough players are willing to pay. I doubt you're going to get the price changed outside of the normal annual discount sales. Too many will happily pay the listed price because it's not a large enough amount of money to concern them compared to their overall income. All they're concerned about is getting what they want and nothing said will change their minds.

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A few things to add here for context.

-WoW does have 2 seater mounts, last time I checked they're just all gained through gameplay.
-GW2 is a buy to play mmo that does not require a monthly sub so their main income, outside of the initial "box price", is their store.
-ESO is either free to play or has the option of paying a monthly sub, the sub however also comes with 1650 crowns every month (on top of access to every expansion except for the most recent and a bunch of convenience features) so while the price for a 3 seater is technically the highest out of all the games you can pay for it simply by staying subbed to the game for 4 months.

It's really only WoW and XIV that are double-dipping, requiring you to pay a sub to even be able to play while also selling expensive mounts in their store.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Of 12 mounts released last patch, 2 were in shop, and I'm betting my ass that if any of mounts that ARE in game for free, like the Rokkon mounts or the Ambystoma from savage were in shop, people would be rioting just as much because theyd believe THOSE mounts were deserved to be for free instead, just like they're doing now with Shadowkeeper. Frankly, while I don't LIKE the existence of shop and exclusivity of items (in big part because some of best glamours are there), I do think that with this latest batch, anyone who says "oh, theyre putting ALL the cool stuff in shop and game gets nothing" is either strongly biased towards specific type of thing they want happening to be what hits the shop this time, or simply disenginous, because game is still getting lots of free content.

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Why do people keep repeating this LMAO

3 of those in game mounts are literally recolors of tomatoes, turnips, corn, whatever vegetables they are

Another is recolored trial mount as usual, and then you have a LANTERN and a ugly ass overworld mob recolor and then a COW LMAO. 4 recolors, 2 are literally just upscaled mobs, and then a LANTERN, and a Loporrit mount clone which is pretty much another overworld mob but this time they changed the limbs around a bit. It's literal trash.

Like the in-game mounts are actually just trash, only decent one is the criterion one

At the same time unlike most people I also think shop mounts are trash, only good one was Shadowkeeper but that's literally eclipsed by the way cooler and bigger Cerberus.

The mounts this xpac in general is just trash tbh in game or on the mog store but you can't say with a straight face that Shadowkeeper wasn't the best mount this patch other than the criterion tiger thing

The last cool mount we got was seriously like nearly 3 years ago in Delubrum Savage. I think my Dreadnaught is cooler but that's only because I get /tell asking me what mount that is and I can flex my feast t100 :)

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Originally Posted by Koros

Another is recolored trial mount as usual, and then you have a LANTERN and a ugly ass overworld mob recolor and then a COW LMAO. 4 recolors, 2 are literally just upscaled mobs, and then a LANTERN, and a Loporrit mount clone which is pretty much another overworld mob but this time they changed the limbs around a bit. It's literal trash.

Like the in-game mounts are actually just trash, only decent one is the criterion one

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This is definitely important to keep in mind as well. Yes, there are only 2 mogstation mounts added in the last however how long, but the ones being added into the game itself are mostly cheap recolors, mob upscales, or mounts no one would be willing to drop money on. (the lantern lmao) All the good stuff gets sent over to the shop. The only in-game mount from recent times I could see people actually spending money on is the Axolotl which should have been from the new Ocean Fishing route. (I already own it so I'm not complaining about it being too hard to get, it just doesn't fit the savage tier)

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Originally Posted by Koros

Why do people keep repeating this LMAO

3 of those in game mounts are literally recolors of tomatoes, turnips, corn, whatever vegetables they are

Another is recolored trial mount as usual, and then you have a LANTERN and a ugly ass overworld mob recolor and then a COW LMAO. 4 recolors, 2 are literally just upscaled mobs, and then a LANTERN, and a Loporrit mount clone which is pretty much another overworld mob but this time they changed the limbs around a bit. It's literal trash.

Like the in-game mounts are actually just trash, only decent one is the criterion one

At the same time unlike most people I also think shop mounts are trash, only good one was Shadowkeeper but that's literally eclipsed by the way cooler and bigger Cerberus.

The mounts this xpac in general is just trash tbh in game or on the mog store but you can't say with a straight face that Shadowkeeper wasn't the best mount this patch other than the criterion tiger thing

The last cool mount we got was seriously like nearly 3 years ago in Delubrum Savage. I think my Dreadnaught is cooler but that's only because I get /tell asking me what mount that is and I can flex my feast t100 :)

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Best mount is Ambystoma, Shadowkeeper is generic gnarly wolf #17, sue me

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

All the good stuff gets sent over to the shop.

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What was added to the cash shop during EW so far?

Papa Paissa (Apr 2022)
Megashiba (June 2022)
Mechanical Lotus (Oct 2022)
Ceruleum Balloons (Feb 2023)
Magicked Umbrella/Parasol (Apr 2023)
Shadow Wolf (June 2023)
Garlond GL-IS (this month)

Do you really consider these "all the good stuff"? If they're the "good stuff", why don't we see players using them more often after they've been available a few weeks? The wolf and cycle are new enough that it's normal for them to still be getting used. Of the rest, they're almost never seen. The Megashiba might turn up at hunts a couple of times a month and that's about it. I see Argos more than the rest combined.

From the mounts that were released before EW, Cruise Chaser shows up fairly often. The Lunar Whale gets pulled out when someone is shuttling passengers around. That's about it. I might see a Fat Cat or Carby appear then disappear again but almost all the rest are absent unless they were from seasonal events and it's the time of year for that event.

Players eventually go back to the mounts they earned through game play because those have some sort of meaning attached to them. The "good stuff" they bought from the cash shop doesn't. Those mounts seem to end up little more than +1 to collection, only to be brought out when people are showing off what mounts they have to others but not when a mount is needed.

I've got one character that uses the mounts that I've been gifted over the years to honor the friends who gifted them to me.

I've got a lalafell character I created as a joke that uses the Ceruleum Balloons.

But unless a character is shuttling others around and needs a passenger mount:

I use the Amaro mount on this character (unless I'm in Azim Steppe, then I switch to the Pteranodon because Aswang).

On my remaining characters I use Hybodus, Ironfrog Mover, Flying Chair and Ehil Tou. All are acquired in game.

I really can't see the mounts on the cash shop as the "good stuff" when they're treated as momentary curiosities then forgotten by those who buy them.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

This is definitely important to keep in mind as well. Yes, there are only 2 mogstation mounts added in the last however how long, but the ones being added into the game itself are mostly cheap recolors, mob upscales, or mounts no one would be willing to drop money on. (the lantern lmao) All the good stuff gets sent over to the shop. The only in-game mount from recent times I could see people actually spending money on is the Axolotl which should have been from the new Ocean Fishing route. (I already own it so I'm not complaining about it being too hard to get, it just doesn't fit the savage tier)

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I don't mind collecting mounts in-game, but it is kind of an ask to buy too many of them from the store, especially considering we barely ever get to use them to begin with! Multiple person mounts are also largely a novelty, since the last real use of them I can think of was during Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Another Jojoya brand college essay

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I'm not reading this as your essays are usually mostly word bloat and I guarantee that you could make your argument with a quarter or less of the words you used.

I'll just reiterate my point. Looking at FFXIV Collect, we got 12 mounts between 6.4 and 6.45. Sounds like a lot right? However, there's a really big asterisk there.

- Four of them are recolors/reskins of existing mounts that are VERY similar (three mandragonas and an extreme mount)
- Two of them are upscales of existing mobs (the buffalo and the supporter, not counting Shadowkeeper)
- Two of them are mogstation mounts (the bike and shadowkeeper)

This means that we got a grand total of four mounts that do not fit into these catagories. Thus, it is important that when comparing the amount of new mogstation content to the amount of new in-game content, that we do not pretend like a recolor/reskin is of the same quality as a mount like the new bike.

Everything on the store is expensive.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I might see a Fat Cat or Carby appear then disappear again but almost all the rest are absent unless they were from seasonal events and it's the time of year for that event.

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you are missing a very important detail here, THE MUSIC.

I use my fat cat when gathering stuff here and there because I like the music.
The fat cat is my most used mount, because we don't use mounts that often after levelling other than gathering/hunts/msq.

Shadow wolf with Hullbreaker Isle BGM ( Horizons Calling) is a disappointment, because we were waiting for a ShB music.

When the "good looking/brand new" effect vanishes, we put every mount (no matter how has been obtained) in the RNG, EXCEPT the mounts with a music we like.

I like the Cid theme 'Dreams Aloft', and this alone make the new mount "interesting".

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

you are missing a very important detail here, THE MUSIC.

I use my fat cat when gathering stuff here and there because I like the music.
The fat cat is my most used mount, because we don't use mounts that often after levelling other than gathering/hunts/msq.

Shadow wolf with Hullbreaker Isle BGM ( Horizons Calling) is a disappointment, because we were waiting for a ShB music.

When the "good looking/brand new" effect vanishes, we put every mount (no matter how has been obtained) in the RNG, EXCEPT the mounts with a music we like.

I like the Cid theme 'Dreams Aloft', and this alone make the new mount "interesting".

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Can't you just play a YouTube video though? I have had mount music turned off for several years now.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm not reading this as your essays are usually mostly word bloat and I guarantee that you could make your argument with a quarter or less of the words you used.

I'll just reiterate my point. Looking at FFXIV Collect, we got 12 mounts between 6.4 and 6.45. Sounds like a lot right? However, there's a really big asterisk there.

- Four of them are recolors/reskins of existing mounts that are VERY similar (three mandragonas and an extreme mount)
- Two of them are upscales of existing mobs (the buffalo and the supporter, not counting Shadowkeeper)
- Two of them are mogstation mounts (the bike and shadowkeeper)

This means that we got a grand total of four mounts that do not fit into these catagories. Thus, it is important that when comparing the amount of new mogstation content to the amount of new in-game content, that we do not pretend like a recolor/reskin is of the same quality as a mount like the new bike.

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Here's your TLDR:

If the cash shop mounts are the good stuff, why do their owners mostly stop using them after a couple of weeks and go back to mounts they had earned through game play?

Cruise Chaser is the only mount from the cash shop that seems to show up often in the open world months after it was added.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Here's your TLDR:

If the cash shop mounts are the good stuff, why do their owners mostly stop using them after a couple of weeks and go back to mounts they had earned through game play?

Cruise Chaser is the only mount from the cash shop that seems to show up often in the open world months after it was added.

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I actually see lots of Carbuncle and Fatter Cat mounts

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If the cash shop mounts are the good stuff, why do their owners mostly stop using them after a couple of weeks and go back to mounts they had earned through game play?

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For the same reason that there were a gazillion Sunforges at large gatherings like hunt trains when Abyssos was relevant, and why there's a bunch of axolotls now. People use new rare or hard to get items so they can flex that they have it. This is a pretty common and well known behavior in MMOs. Once that item isn't considered 'prestigious' (at least to the people that actually care) or a new 'prestigious' item exists, they swap to something else. (and if you think this behavior is stupid, I agree, but that doesn't mean that people don't do it)

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I actually see lots of Carbuncle and Fatter Cat mounts

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I still see a decent amount of all of the more popular mogstation mounts.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Can't you just play a YouTube video though? I have had mount music turned off for several years now.

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We can play whatever we want, but the OST is part of an entertainment.
For example, a movie: we say "that's a good movie, I like the movie" because the story is good, the actors are good, the sceneries are breathtaking, but it's the soundtrack that connects you emotionally to the movie.

Home
Riding home
Dying hope
Hold onto hope..
One brings shadow One brings light


This text should trigger the music, the music an event, and the event a specific NPC story.
No other song could trigger the same particular emotion.

While i don't care about what people do with their money in general, i do when it contribute to make what i enjoy worse. Each bucks spent on the cash shop incentivize squeenix to focus more on putting things in it than in the actual game.

And the infamous "money goes back to the game" while i use to thought so, the last 2 years made me very skeptical about it.

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Originally Posted by Wind-Krysvein

We're talking about a slightly faster 2-seater mount that costs 32€.

The previous mount to have the speed boost was SDS Fenrir, which costs 24€. Does that extra seat really warrant the additional 8€ cost? If so, then why does the 8-seater Lunar Whale only cost 33€? What kind of alien logic does the price ramp use here?

Please, for the love of god, don't buy this overpriced nonsense

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It is fine, no one need to buy it, also it is account wide.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is fine, no one need to buy it, also it is account wide.

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i could explain again and again, but it is always the same same with you guys who write this stupid non-argument.

https://en.meming.world/images/en/th...27t_Get_It.jpg

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Originally Posted by Syln

While i don't care about what people do with their money in general, i do when it contribute to make what i enjoy worse. Each bucks spent on the cash shop incentivize squeenix to focus more on putting things in it than in the actual game.

And the infamous "money goes back to the game" while i use to thought so, the last 2 years made me very skeptical about it.

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How is it making it worse? Unless they've released new info, we've been told in the past that it's an entirely different team that does shop items. So there's no guarantee these mounts would even exist without the cash shop.
If you don't like seeing the mounts because you want it but don't wanna spend the money, I can get that for sure.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is fine, no one need to buy it, also it is account wide.

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Did you even check the store before posting this?

ALL OF THE FANFEST MOUNTS ARE ACCOUNT-WIDE

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

People not buying off the mog station isn't going to magically improve the quality of ingame items. If anything it wouldn't exist in either space. No content in game and nothing on the store. It's an entirely separate team that makes the shop products. It's not going to suddenly increase resources for ingame content by removing the store.

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You can already see cash shop items being more desirable than their counterpart. If you feel like buying it, more power to you, but don't insult everybody else's intelligence. There is more than enough examples from other games and XIV's only got worse over the last few years.