FFXIV 10th Anniversary Special Site

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Originally Posted by Iscah

So much bickering in the thread, and nobody has pointed out the best(?) part: a new hairstyle contest!

Time to get thinking about ideas...

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It has been mentionned (I think?). Unfortunately the game has been taken hostage by the previous hairstyle contest for so long it's hard to feel positive about this.
Sure, it's a good opportunity to finally shake up our current roster, but there's an equal chance vote will be biased towards a certain style and this is all we'll get for the next four years.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Because people know what the winners will be - more mid-length feminine hairstyles. If for some reason a male hairstyle wins, its gonna be awkward looking short haircut with a huge forhead.

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At this point I'm just going to hope that they'll maybe make use of some of the hairstyles they used in FFXVI for the male characters. Even regular NPC's are very well designed in that game, particularly the men which is refreshing when compared to FFXIV where every other background NPC simply looks randomly thrown together.

Granted, FFXVI only has to design things for human models - though that's exactly why this game should have put its foot down and just admitted that some hairstyles aren't going to fit certain playable races without looking exceptionally uncanny.

I still remember one rising event where they put 1.0 item (White Ravens) as a reward, I wonder what they're gonna do with the 10th Rising event?

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Sure, it's a good opportunity to finally shake up our current roster, but there's an equal chance vote will be biased towards a certain style and this is all we'll get for the next four years.

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If it gets dominated by certain styles then that means those are the sorts of styles that a lot of people want.

Either that or (ideally perhaps) they just don't run a vote and instead just have the judges pick out a good balance of interesting things themselves. There are still some things in the old contest's shortlist that I wish they had implemented in addition to the winners.

I almost forgot that NA fan fest is 1 month away.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If it gets dominated by certain styles then that means those are the sorts of styles that a lot of people want.

Either that or (ideally perhaps) they just don't run a vote and instead just have the judges pick out a good balance of interesting things themselves. There are still some things in the old contest's shortlist that I wish they had implemented in addition to the winners.

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How does the contest work? Is it world wide? Or another "Japanese players get to choose what everyone else will get" sort of thing?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If it gets dominated by certain styles then that means those are the sorts of styles that a lot of people want.

Either that or (ideally perhaps) they just don't run a vote and instead just have the judges pick out a good balance of interesting things themselves. There are still some things in the old contest's shortlist that I wish they had implemented in addition to the winners.

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They'd likely get very different results if they polled people in-game and split the contest into at least three different categories - namely 'feminine', 'androgynous' and 'masculine'. There have also been many threads over the years asking for masculine aesthetics/hairstyles to be embraced more readily which received quite a bit of support. We also know that Yoshi-P was 'surprised' to receive the request for the stubble sported by the Warrior of Light in cinematic/promotional footage to be added to the game. Which suggests that feedback relating to male characters isn't really sent their way as a priority.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Is this something they've done before?

Edit: judging by subsequent replies, there clearly have been

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

How does the contest work? Is it world wide? Or another "Japanese players get to choose what everyone else will get" sort of thing?

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The thread for the original contest is here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Voting-Thread

They don't have any details for the new one on the site, so it's all speculation how it's going to run this time.


For the record, ones I wanted that didn't get in:

http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hairdesign_2015/M_10.jpg

http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hairdesign_2015/M_13.jpg

http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/hairdesign_2015/F_02.jpg

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Originally Posted by Theodric

They'd likely get very different results if they polled people in-game and split the contest into at least three different categories - namely 'feminine', 'androgynous' and 'masculine'. There have also been many threads over the years asking for masculine aesthetics/hairstyles to be embraced more readily which received quite a bit of support. We also know that Yoshi-P was 'surprised' to receive the request for the stubble sported by the Warrior of Light in cinematic/promotional footage to be added to the game. Which suggests that feedback relating to male characters isn't really sent their way as a priority.

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I am totally with you in wanting more masculine hairstyles (I have been wearing the same hairstyle since HW), but if you think that an in-game poll wouldn't tip the scales MORE in the favour of feminine hairstyles I don't know what to say.

To get a balance of hairstyles, they need to not make it a player vote. It needs to be the judges only. It will always be heavily skewed towards feminine if they let the playerbase decide. Look at the popularity of the short bob from pyros/great lengths compared to the Firmament short styles. Or the girly ponytail vs the androgynous ponytail from Island.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If it gets dominated by certain styles then that means those are the sorts of styles that a lot of people want.

Either that or (ideally perhaps) they just don't run a vote and instead just have the judges pick out a good balance of interesting things themselves. There are still some things in the old contest's shortlist that I wish they had implemented in addition to the winners.

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The majority vote is flawed, since I can see two scenario happening:
- Hairstyles which everyone like at least a little will dominate the votes, which means it's going to favor mid-length androgynous styles.
- Votes will be biased towards Femra and catgirls, since those are the majority.

This system leave absolutely no room for more niche customization or hairstyles which work better with the less favored races. And since the contest is probably everything we'll ever get in the next four years, this will only worsen the diversity issue we already have.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

The majority vote is flawed, since I can see two scenario happening:
- Hairstyles which everyone like at least a little will dominate the votes, which means it's going to favor mid-length androgynous styles.
- Votes will be biased towards Femra and catgirls, since those are the majority.

This system leave absolutely no room for more niche customization or hairstyles which work better with the less favored races. And since the contest is probably everything we'll ever get in the next four years, this will only worsen the diversity issue we already have.

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The last contest had split male/female categories.

Also they eventually added every runner up, including these:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/3f...8e2284b7_6.jpg
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/3f...e2284b7_10.jpg

If that pompadour ain't niche I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The last contest had split male/female categories.

Also they eventually added every runner up, including these:

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/3f...8e2284b7_6.jpg
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/3f...e2284b7_10.jpg

If that pompadour ain't niche I don't know what is.

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I think this shows how a player votes aren't great. Even when separated into gender categories, none of the male winners have a "rugged" look. Only 3 of them are actually short(ish), and two of those three have a serious case of anime spikes. One of them is a straight up joke.

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Clarification: I would say my desire is the ability to have new customization be distinctly masculine, just as there is a plethora of new customization to be distinctly (overtly) feminine. There is nothing wrong with being feminine or androgynous, but is disheartening to see majority of new customizations heavily lean in one direction.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I am totally with you in wanting more masculine hairstyles (I have been wearing the same hairstyle since HW), but if you think that an in-game poll wouldn't tip the scales MORE in the favour of feminine hairstyles I don't know what to say.

To get a balance of hairstyles, they need to not make it a player vote. It needs to be the judges only. It will always be heavily skewed towards feminine if they let the playerbase decide. Look at the popularity of the short bob from pyros/great lengths compared to the Firmament short styles. Or the girly ponytail vs the androgynous ponytail from Island.

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Call me pessimistic but I feel if the players were to decide, it'd be heavily inclined to feminine and cutesy styles, but if it was up to the devs, they'd go for androgynous bobs and bowl cuts to cut corners.

Meanwhile, those of us who want more short/masculine styles...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2019/PaA-aM.gif

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Clarification: I would say my desire is the ability to have new customization be distinctly masculine, just as there is a plethora of new customization to be distinctly (overtly) feminine. There is nothing wrong with being feminine or androgynous, but is disheartening to see majority of new customizations heavily lean in one direction.

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The icing of the cake is the last hairstyle literally proves people will go nuts over a hairstyle that's clearly "not for them" even after getting 7 consecutive ponytails and braids, but when someone playing a Roe, Hroth or Highlander speaks out about getting tired of getting cutesy cuts, they're told to shove it ...yay double standards!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's funny how much it flip flops, too. They both want to seemingly pretend 1.0 is an entirely separate thing but also pick at lingering 1.0 plot threads when it's convenient.

They should have more confidence in that era as far as I'm concerned. It had a lot of problems but the zone design and character design/characterisation was a lot better. Even the cut scenes were less stiff.

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I wish they would make an anime adaptation of 1.0, like they recently did with Nier automata, or allowed the a new anime for Dragon Quest : Dai no Daibōken (that kept a pretty good average animation lvl for 100 episodes, even the bad episodes would be considered more than decent for most of the current production).

A show covering the story from the fall of Ala Mhigo untill the 7th calamity. It would be the perfect marketing product to get people into the lore, and the story, while not spoiling anything of the current game. They could slightly tweak the story when needed, could follow many character to give us all that (Younger Raubahn & Estinien - his backstory was in ARR, Louisoix, most of the scions before they were the scions, even Solus as the emperor - well not as a main character, but make him appear, it wouldn't even break the revelation about him).

If well done, how many people would want to go into the game. I'm pretty sure there is a public for that (I would), and that they would reach a far larger audience than with their free trial.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I dont ever remember Blizzard hosting any kind of fanfest anywhere in this hemisphere. Ever. So you will forgive me if I am more in favour of a company that remembers its customers are GLOBAL in nature.

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Nor S-E did host any fanfest at south hemisphere. Just USA/Canada, Europe and some asian countries.

Players from the southern hemisphere, the only event they can take part on is those marked as in-game and watch some propaganda about events that will never be held on Latin America, Africa, Asian countries whose names is not "Japan", "China" or "Korea", or even most Oceania countries.

When we get the details for the hairstyle contest, it would be nice if we get some guidelines about what is and isn't feasible to implement for players. It would help entrants to design things that push the boundaries without getting automatically rejected for going outside of what is possible, and also give us a better idea of which NPC styles we can or can't hope to see made available.

10?

Damn......Time flies.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

These days I look at it the way I remember a staffer I had. Didnt listen, didnt learn, mistake after mistake after mistake. The fact that they blatantly lied to their customers is one thing I will never forgive.

Take it any way you like.

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I'll take things that never happened for $50 Alexa.

Find a new hobby, alt.

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Originally Posted by TheDecay

25% Seasonal Events with the same rewards from previous years.

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Do you play this game?

Both the page and this thread are about what I expected.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Do you play this game?

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They probably meant the same type of rewards i.e. glam, orchestrion roll and housing items

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Call me pessimistic but I feel if the players were to decide, it'd be heavily inclined to feminine and cutesy styles, but if it was up to the devs, they'd go for androgynous bobs and bowl cuts to cut corners.

Meanwhile, those of us who want more short/masculine styles...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2019/PaA-aM.gif



The icing of the cake is the last hairstyle literally proves people will go nuts over a hairstyle that's clearly "not for them" even after getting 7 consecutive ponytails and braids, but when someone playing a Roe, Hroth or Highlander speaks out about getting tired of getting cutesy cuts, they're told to shove it ...yay double standards!

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Oh absolutely. The short cropped hair is very nice on Roes/Highlanders/Lala (i've also seen some Felezen look really cool with it), but looks absolutely garbage on the popular races so therefore... bad hairstyle and we should never get anything but a ponytail or long hair again! /s

And I mean... if I only had the choice between more femme hairstyles and androgynous... I would choose androgynous. So, I still vote for devs picking the winners. :')

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

They probably meant the same type of rewards i.e. glam, orchestrion roll and housing items

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If that's the case I guess we're out of options.

All I care about is when we're getting the next Eorzeapedia book (volume III)

The in game events and items do seem a little lack luster here, a moogle treasure event like we get before every patch release, and the rising which we get every year anyway. Maybe the rewards for these events will be really spectacular but they are still the same events we get all the time, unless they really ramp up the rising event to be something really incredible this time.

The Rising event could be really good. Best one so far is when we got to "visit" their in-game offices. The posters in the walls were insanely high res. That event and FanFest are what I'm most excited about. Other than that, I'm legit bummed that they're not selling tickets for a stream for the Primals concert. I don't understand why skipping a stream at all.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

a moogle treasure event like we get before every patch release,

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If it's like the last time we had a "special event" moogle trove, it was different to the usual end-of-patch progression with its rewards and a bit more generous with some sought-after emotes and hairstyles.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/M..._for_Pageantry

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• A special 14-hour broadcast!
• Scheduled for Spring 2024

Correct me if I'm off my rocker here, but isn't that the one they usually do a month out or so from expansion release? As in, did they just stealth announce that it won't be coming out until about a year from now?

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

The Rising event could be really good. Best one so far is when we got to "visit" their in-game offices. The posters in the walls were insanely high res. That event and FanFest are what I'm most excited about. Other than that, I'm legit bummed that they're not selling tickets for a stream for the Primals concert. I don't understand why skipping a stream at all.

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My favorite one mostly the visiting devs room and the chaotic FATE instance. Really missed them both and I hope they bring it back...

Honestly the moogle event like past one that gives Inferno Jacket is kinda... bad. Because you had to spend those tomes immediately or else it goes obsolete immediately, unlike our regular moogle event.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Honestly the moogle event like past one that gives Inferno Jacket is kinda... bad. Because you had to spend those tomes immediately or else it goes obsolete immediately, unlike our regular moogle event.

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What does it matter, though? There's no value in hoarding them. Earn the tomes and buy what you want immediately.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What does it matter, though? There's no value in hoarding them. Earn the tomes and buy what you want immediately.

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The old "Fanfest" moogle event gives verdant partition and marine clothes that's literally a good gil maker (But they took it away too fast and we can't keep it to "Sell at MB later" :( ) , while regular moogle event gives MGP and guarantee portal ShB maps that will be useful for BLU solo to, again, farm gil and achievement.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...g4cSBeYIP0.png

Literally I saved this for ShB maps lol :)

If you want the maps, buy the maps. They stack.

I don't think these treasure troves are designed with long term hoarding and reselling in mind.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

Wait, wait, wait...

• A special 14-hour broadcast!
• Scheduled for Spring 2024

Correct me if I'm off my rocker here, but isn't that the one they usually do a month out or so from expansion release? As in, did they just stealth announce that it won't be coming out until about a year from now?

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It's a 14 hour stream they've done like every year, I don't think they've done it right before an expansion before, if anything I think it's usually been shortly after. Next spring/summer is already pretty likely for the expansion, we've got fanfests next month, october, and january.

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Stop bringing your weird store manager shit

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"Store manager"? LOL I was never in retail. I had far better quals and was paid a hell of a lot more than THAT. I was a contractor, a specialist.

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into this, you always do that. It's so weird. It's like trying to be a flex working at a Walmart

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I hate to be the one to break this to you, but WalMart doesnt exist here and never has. They did look at it at one stage, but when they heard about the mandated work conditions and leave entitlements under our law, they balked.

See, Aust doesnt do "at will", we mandate a minimum of 4 weeks leave per year gauranteed plus sick leave and other rights. Public holiday pay, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, superannuation gaurantee payments the employer is required to pay into....

I believe the phrase was "our markets were incompatible with their corporate structure". :):):):)

Dont look at Collaboration section in the anniversary website.

Not really interested outside of any potential big mog store sales. SE can milk someone else otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

Dont look at Collaboration section in the anniversary website.

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I made that mistake. I wish I hadn't. :P

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Originally Posted by Lieri

Dont look at Collaboration section in the anniversary website.

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Definitely weak for now though they have promised that they've got more they aren't ready to announce yet.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm not a fan of there being yet another hairstyle contest. Many posters have consistently provided feedback in regards to the sort of hairstyles that they'd like to see added to the game along with visual references.

I'd be surprised if it doesn't result in yet another disproportionate focus on feminine and androgynous hairstyles at the cost of those of us who want masculine hairstyles designed with male characters in mind first and foremost.

A lot of people aren't artists in the first place, either so they can't really contribute even if they wanted to.

To say nothing of the fact that Highlander men are still lacking in authentic eyebrows. It's kind of wild how much better the male character design is in FFXVI. Hopefully some of the artists/character designers from that game are brought over to FFXIV in the future.

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We had a thread a few weeks ago complaining about the lack of hairstyles suitable to different hair textures. Here's an opportunity to get something besides silky type 1A/1B hair in the game.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

Dont look at Collaboration section in the anniversary website.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I made that mistake. I wish I hadn't. :P

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It can't be that bad..

*looks*

https://media.tenor.com/haufDbOzE5MAAAAM/tupac-sad.gif