CBU3 Excellence – Holistic Review

I'm not deep in yet, damn 50 hour weeks, but I am enjoying XVI immensely as well. It is refreshing to see protagonists that take lumps and don't have all the answers.

I feel though, at least from my perspective, that XVI is taking the route of, "Predictable to the player, but the characters aren't in the know." Which is honestly a great way to tell a story, but it might make some silly billies think the story being told is bad cause there's not gonna be a lot of, "twists" or "subversions of expectation."

They always come back. They always do.

We should put Yoshi p on Witch Trial for his wicked witchcraft which bends the will of those who dare to unsub.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

The people who have an issue aren't upset about the message, they're upset about who the messenger is. It doesn't matter what opinion he has, people will always find ways to get mad over what he says.

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Yep. Aveyond could have a completely good take on something and some of the haters will still ridicule him. That's just what happens to someone who criticizes FFXIV. Not just on the official forums but on the r/ffxiv subreddit as well.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

If the story is really that good, perhaps I'll be tempted to get it on PS5 sooner rather than wait for a PC port. I would rather play on a PC and I usually don't care too much about spoilers, but if the story's amazing as people are saying it is, then playing through it before I get spoiled on anything might be worth it.

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Yeah, might as well. SE has no date set in stone for the release of the PC version. It could take a year or more.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Yep. Aveyond could have a completely good take on something and some of the haters will still ridicule him.

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Have you ever read the boy who cried wolf? Eventually people stop taking what someone says seriously solely due to who is saying it. Aveyond has a history of nonsensical takes combined with his refusal to engage with anyone in good faith. He's a preacher standing on his own soapbox, and if you're not there to agree with him, you're simply ignored. So let's not pretend that him having a good take means that we all need to say "yea, that was a good take" Besides, his 'good take' here is simply a 'FFXIV sucks, FFXVI good'. Him writing it HERE of all places is simply just another of his soapboxes, trying to get attention.

Enjoying the game's story / style quite a bit- easy to take it seriously, the new lore gameplay features are cool (codex / on screen pertinent bubbles), visuals are nice, more linear areas than I'd prefer, itemization is too similar to FFXIV (too many 'just a number'), certainly wish I'd have more things to kill so far (not finished but combat could happen more often in story segments), combat is fun but some buttons I wish were more forgiving like being able to animation blend into a dodge or magic burst more consistently (I swear the exact same pattern will not always magic burst, or certain actions take you away from dodge longer than others and so you just watch as intention doesnt happen).


I've been having fun and my comments on wanting a transformation job with heavy FFXVI inspirations and a new MMO akin to FFXII was to FFXIV still stand (would be an ARPG essentially, with FFXIV and WoW lessons and more GW2/ESO inspirations as well).

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Hold on...he finally says something positive and you wanna jump down his throat? I'm not a fan of the guy and yeah he came back and not a lot of people will be thrilled but if he isn't starting any trouble then leave it at that.

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Hahaha.. I was thinking this as I scrolled down.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Have you ever read the boy who cried wolf?

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That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth."

Aveyond hasn't lied to us, duped us, or fooled us. He merely states his opinions in a flamboyant way. I see why you draw the parallel, but the moral of that story doesn't apply here.

As for bad faith engagements, that's pretty much the entire forum in a nutshell. Very rare is the person who comes here, looking to have their mind changed. Most folks come here to entrench themselves further in their own beliefs, and to find those like minded in an environment where their piece can be said without disappearing under strange karma systems that are actually just popularity/meme polls.

No one has to suddenly like anyone, but there's nothing inherently bad faith about posting your opinion.

Thread TLDR:
Forum User known for threads (that are very adamant/vehement about their experience) outs a couple of users that will always take things as face value, whilst others who haven't been around long.

Or aren't willing to risk being a fool, thus they take things in a case by case scenario.
[Thus, leading to unnecessary back and forth. Which only Results on the Hypocritical Assumptions for thee, but not for me.]

as the one guy only came to drop a not controversial like to another game by the same studio

Besides, how many Official Forums are there?
I couldn't even tell you.

Far as I know, they could of done worse and posted elsewhere. as Technically CBUIII does apply to this thread. Even if they Never See it.

Rare does he make sense, and the few things that did are the "Fair Enough" kind.
[Though it seems for the majority of the forum users, he has been very adamant of their own experiences and/or doesn't have a good enough way to converse with others that it gave him the interpretation by the few.]

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Personally still remember the whole edge and softness thread awhile back.

and tbh, XVI from what I've seen streamers play. Holds Enough of the "Softness" To polish the larger quantities of "Edge"

They really do have a way with words. I bet the actual trolls wish they had that much rent free property/realstate he has.

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Another Personally, FFXIV Probably could of had a more detailed, and effective story to most general higher approval.
but it doesn't due to having to be saved from the brink, it's technology, and most of all.
RATING.
Whilst XVI:
They really didn't hold back, they Even Collaborated with other studios of theirs.
Didn't hold back on their Intent.

I'll probably see the conclusion of the story in some weeks as the sources I watch get there.
The most we will get with XIV is them leading us to something new within the restraints they've had for the past decade.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth."

Aveyond hasn't lied to us, duped us, or fooled us. He merely states his opinions in a flamboyant way. I see why you draw the parallel, but the moral of that story doesn't apply here.

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And this is precisely what the Aveyond critics want people to believe. They're looking to undermine and belittle Aveyond's criticism of the game by claiming that he's dishonest. To these types of people, those who criticize FFXIV are intellectually dishonest liars while those who defend FFXIV are ethical and principled. Why people like this go to such great lengths to suppress criticism, I don't know, but many times I just end up ignoring it.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Oh, I 100% agree that the guy has an exaggerated sense of self-worth and can have bad takes, but to insinuate he's a liar like the other poster mentioned? I'm going to disagree with that.

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my boy who cried wolf example was a poor choice. My point was that Aveyond is unreliable due to his previous statements/posts/attitude, and therefore discounting what he's saying because it's him who's saying it is not as crazy as some are making it out to be.

https://media.tenor.com/x-FL-l7ERS4A...e-go-joker.gif

I skimmed the OP (cus I am cautious of spoilers) and skipped the previous six pages, but glad to hear 16 is good. I don't have a PS5, so I look forward to playing it in between patches in a year. lol

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

https://media.tenor.com/x-FL-l7ERS4A...e-go-joker.gif

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Using that gif when you are part of the people who turned this thread into drama by talking about aveyond?

I'm glad you're doing better nowadays, Aveyond! I missed seeing your posts. I haven't played FFXVI yet but it looks fun from what I've seen so far :D

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Originally Posted by TheDecay

Using that gif when you are part of the people who turned this thread into drama by talking about aveyond?

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Brand new account that makes a controversial subject, and knows all about old forum drama. Huh. Why didn't I notice that before. That's on me I suppose.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

so no, you havent ever been polite, not have you ever kept an open mind or actually listened to what i said.

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I have treated you how you have treated me. I am a very big believer in the golden rule.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

And this is precisely what the Aveyond critics want people to believe. They're looking to undermine and belittle Aveyond's criticism of the game by claiming that he's dishonest. To these types of people, those who criticize FFXIV are intellectually dishonest liars while those who defend FFXIV are ethical and principled. Why people like this go to such great lengths to suppress criticism, I don't know, but many times I just end up ignoring it.

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Pretty much yeah.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Brand new account that makes a controversial subject, and knows all about old forum drama. Huh. Why didn't I notice that before. That's on me I suppose.

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Nice deflection. It looks like you guys just look for drama everywhere with or without "Titanmen".

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

At which point, said owner will quietly and emphatically tell you that when he wants, or needs, your opinion, he will ask you for it...or if he has that many issues, he can go open his own restaurant and see how that goes.

Bad analogy, mate, in case it had escaped you, no business owner anywhere likes it when someone he doesnt know or care for has the chutzpah to tell him how to run his business.

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Imagine a restaurant owner telling a level-headed customer giving polite feedback to sod off and start their own restaurant

They probably are the ones operating the next bankrupt Olive Garden

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Originally Posted by TheDecay

Imagine a restaurant owner telling a level-headed customer giving polite feedback to sod off and start their own restaurant

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If Yoshi P was Vel's theoretical restaurant owner, FFXIV never would have made it to 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

I skimmed the OP (cus I am cautious of spoilers) and skipped the previous six pages, but glad to hear 16 is good. I don't have a PS5, so I look forward to playing it in between patches in a year. lol

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2 years if you don't want to bow to EGS exclusivity.

I'm glad you like XVI. I like XVI too. I'm enjoying playing it. But these are the forums for XIV. Why do you think this is the best place to give feedback on another game? Better to post on game-specific forums for that game.

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That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth.

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Greek, actually, the mythology around Cassandra, who was granted the power of seeing the future, yet was fated to never be believed. Or the Italian phrase, “traduttore, traditore”, which accurately describes the mindset we see here so often.

"Tell them the truth, tell them a lie, it doesnt matter, they wont believe you anyway"

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

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Ironic.http://10char.png

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Originally Posted by TheDecay

Ironic.http://10char.png

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Oh hiya Titanmen. Youre up late.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Greek, actually, the mythology around Cassandra, who was granted the power of seeing the future, yet was fated to never be believed. Or the Italian phrase, “traduttore, traditore”, which accurately describes the mindset we see here so often.

"Tell them the truth, tell them a lie, it doesnt matter, they wont believe you anyway"

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

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The Aesop fable they were referencing was the boy crying wolf, and traduttore, traditore has nothing to do with anything, it's about literal translations vs localizations that preserve the spirit of the original source

I kinda envy those who've experienced it to be honest. I don't own a PS5 and don't intend to buy one as my savings are going toward a new PC. I may well play it when it when a PC version appears, but the timeframe for that seems unclear.

However, I have friends who play it and have had nothing but praise for it. And I have at least experienced the music - 'Find the Flame' absolutely blew me away to be honest!

What I've heard about it is that it's basically a cinematic experience with some slightly above average, easy combat in between. I've also heard the cinematic experience is absolutely worth every €.

I don't own a PS5 so I'll wait for a PC release and then we'll see. I'd hate to get left with the feeling that I might as well have saved the money and watched it on Youtube.

Yeah I can't wait for the next expansion to be 20% gameplay, 80% unnecessary boring cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Celine_Aurora

What I've heard about it is that it's basically a cinematic experience with some slightly above average, easy combat in between. I've also heard the cinematic experience is absolutely worth every €.

I don't own a PS5 so I'll wait for a PC release and then we'll see. I'd hate to get left with the feeling that I might as well have saved the money and watched it on Youtube.

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I'm sure someone has done a no commentary play of it. I'll probably watch it myself here soon.