What happened in the last week to make people so vocally against the current state?

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Originally Posted by OvernightSiren

But I logged onto the forums today to post about pvp exp balance and I'm taken back by how many posts on here are vocally against the current state of the game. I'm used to seeing the official forums be mostly positive.

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Just out of genuine curiosity, when was the last time you visited the forums and how often do you? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen this place be positive. Which sorta makes sense, given that people in general are more likely to take the time to visit a forum and post something when they have a complaint, whereas people who are enjoying playing a game are...well...playing the game. There's also some select perpetually negative bitter folks who seemingly spend their entire online existence just bashing the game who re-appeared recently, so evidently it's that bad...but they still come back, log in, and actively play it *shrugs*.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Just out of genuine curiosity, when was the last time you visited the forums and how often do you? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen this place be positive. Which sorta makes sense, given that people in general are more likely to take the time to visit a forum and post something when they have a complaint, whereas people who are enjoying playing a game are...well...playing the game. There's also some select perpetually negative bitter folks who seemingly spend their entire online existence just bashing the game who re-appeared recently, so evidently it's that bad...but they still come back, log in, and actively play it *shrugs*.

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Do... Do the words free log in campaign mean nothing to you? Nothing at all? Hells, multiple posters have mentioned it just here and now in this thread. It's the first post after OP's friend, I'm literally begging you to read it. It's highly unlikely that, if these posters are indeed as disenfranchised as you claim, are still actively playing. Please, cease the spread of misinformation.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Whereas people who are enjoying playing a game are...well...playing the game.

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So why are you still here, then?

You make it your mission to criticise these people yet you're the one insistently trailing after their posts just to call them bitter daily. You'd think the "laundry list" of things you claim to want to do would offer more compelling entertainment for you.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

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Do... Do the words free log in campaign mean nothing to you? Nothing at all? Hells, multiple posters have mentioned it just here and now in this thread. It's the first post after OP's friend, I'm literally begging you to read it. It's highly unlikely that, if these posters are indeed as disenfranchised as you claim, are still actively playing. Please, cease the spread of misinformation.

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As far as I've noticed, Theodoric seems to be the only one posting that is back in the forums due to the free log in campaign. The rest have been pretty consistent posters all along, even before it started.

I think someone else pointed out the more likely reason - the interview YoshiP did where he said not to expect the next stage of the relic to be much different. That seems to be what set off the current surge of negativity.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

As far as I've noticed, Theodoric seems to be the only one posting that is back in the forums due to the free log in campaign. The rest have been pretty consistent posters all along, even before it started.

I think someone else pointed out the more likely reason - the interview YoshiP did where he said not to expect the next stage of the relic to be much different. That seems to be what set off the current surge of negativity.

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There are a few other people here I know are due to free login.

This is a good time of year to be unsubbed, though. If you don't have a house.

Oh? I just want leafy dresses and pixie/faerie stuff. And the other stuff in my Wishlist but I'm my usual self lol.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

So why are you still here, then?

You make it your mission to criticise these people yet you're the one insistently trailing after their posts just to call them bitter daily. You'd think the "laundry list" of things you claim to want to do would offer more compelling entertainment for you.

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Nice attempt at "how dare you point out the bad arguments used by the naysayers" - but it falls flat. I play a bit, I post here a bit. It's healthy to do a variety of things. Quite telling, though, that you would cease to silence the people who call out the echo chamber for its many flaws.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

Do... Do the words free log in campaign mean nothing to you? Nothing at all? Hells, multiple posters have mentioned it just here and now in this thread. It's the first post after OP's friend, I'm literally begging you to read it. It's highly unlikely that, if these posters are indeed as disenfranchised as you claim, are still actively playing. Please, cease the spread of misinformation.

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Still doesn't make sense. "I hate everything about this game, nothing has changed, but...I can login once for free just to spend two more weeks whining about the game on the forums?" Seems rather unhealthy...

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Still doesn't make sense. "I hate everything about this game, nothing has changed, but...I can login once for free just to spend two more weeks whining about the game on the forums?" Seems rather unhealthy...

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aint you supposed to be playing the game ? mister "The game is great and I love it so much, there is so much content, us people enjoying the game are playing the game and not on the forums"

lmao

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Still doesn't make sense. "I hate everything about this game, nothing has changed, but...I can login once for free just to spend two more weeks whining about the game on the forums?" Seems rather unhealthy...

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so does being a 40+ year old man losing your mind over criticisms of your favorite toy but you do you boo

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Still doesn't make sense. "I hate everything about this game, nothing has changed, but...I can login once for free just to spend two more weeks whining about the game on the forums?" Seems rather unhealthy...

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Perhaps it is, but it's far from your place to call it out. Doubly so when one considers your usual cadence and tone. When you're constantly calling people you disagree with bitter and disenfranchised doomers, is it any wonder people completely uninvolved eventually get fed up with it? That's a far more likely prospect of why Lunaxia is posting after you.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

As far as I've noticed, Theodoric seems to be the only one posting that is back in the forums due to the free log in campaign. The rest have been pretty consistent posters all along, even before it started.

I think someone else pointed out the more likely reason - the interview YoshiP did where he said not to expect the next stage of the relic to be much different. That seems to be what set off the current surge of negativity.

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Ah, well. I suppose I have no proof, it just felt like a narrative was being constructed by a few posters here whose conduct rather rubs me the wrong way. If I'm proven wrong, I'm perfectly willing to recant mind.

Eeesh, honestly this is such a stormy time to join the forums.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

so does being a 40+ year old man losing your mind over criticisms of your favorite toy but you do you boo

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You have to understand, he just likes to play the game so much with its endless content (his own words) that he'd rather spend his time off of his full time job (another thing he keeps rambling about) actually crying on the forums about people complaining, instead of... playing the game that he says he enjoys so much

I guess it says a lot that he prefers to fight the people complaining instead of actually playing the game

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

It's the biggest one when you look up FF14. Don't go there, you'll get yourself banned rather easily if you dare to have an opinion that a Mod or the mob mentality doesn't agree with.

I was banned for saying that in low level Dungeons they should let the tank pull as they're still learning. I was attacked by the mob and the Mod muted and banned me because I was a troublemaker even when I was being cussed out and harassed by numerous users. It was easier to punish me then those that were breaking the rules. That and a few of them were buddies with the mod. Naturally the other Mods looked at the logs and backed their fellow Mod. The unofficial WoW discord has that issue too.

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This is why I don't join massive discord communities. They are really no different than reddit. Only big "community" I'm part of is the balance discord which I never really engage in and I'm just there for the pinned information for BiS builds and rotation guides.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You have to understand, he just likes to play the game so much with its endless content (his own words) that he'd rather spend his time off of his full time job (another thing he keeps rambling about) actually crying on the forums about people complaining, instead of... playing the game that he says he enjoys so much

I guess it says a lot that he prefers to fight the people complaining instead of actually playing the game

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Et toi, Stormpeaks?

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

Et toi, Stormpeaks?

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Except I dont pretend the game is THAT amazing and that there is SO much content in the game, I enjoy housing and hanging out with friends, so I have more than enough time for the forums

Anything else ?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except I dont pretend the game is THAT amazing and that there is SO much content in the game, I enjoy housing and hanging out with friends, so I have more than enough time for the forums

Anything else ?

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Obsessively stalking the forums of a game you harbor only negative feelings for with nigh-religious fervor out of sheer disgruntlement sure sounds like the makings of a sound mind.

Anything else?

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

This feels like a very conspiratorial thing to say.

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I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've been watching the forums for a long time and the same pattern keeps playing out. Negative or trolling threads get bumped up in batches every few months. You haven't been here long enough to see that it's cyclical.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

Obsessively stalking the forums of a game you harbor only negative feelings for with nigh-religious fervor out of sheer disgruntlement sure sounds like the makings of a sound mind.

Anything else?

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Are you okay ? Lmao

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've been watching the forums for a long time and the same pattern keeps playing out. Negative or trolling threads get bumped up in batches every few months. You haven't been here long enough to see that it's cyclical.

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Which threads in particular? There's been some blatant bait threads from time to time, though I certainly hope those of us with concerns for the constant retcons in the story and mishandling of some of the subject matter are not being lumped in with that. Sometimes people see something in a recent patch that makes them go back and revive an existing thread rather than create a new one.

In the event that they do go ahead and make a fresh thread, however, then suddenly the concern shifts to 'there's already a thread on this'.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

aint you supposed to be playing the game ? mister "The game is great and I love it so much, there is so much content, us people enjoying the game are playing the game and not on the forums"

lmao

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IMMEDIATELY KNEEL AND RESPECT THIS FULL TIME CAREER HAVER FOR TAKING PRECIOUS MINUTES OUT OF HIS FULL TIME CAREER JOB TIME TO DISMANTLE THE NEGATIVITY ECHO CHAMBER ON A VIDEO GAME FORUM

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I think most are happy. The forums are a severe minority and the Discord isn't official and it's run by a lot of bad people.

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Probably the AFK'ers lol. Honestly though I am waiting on Ashes of Creation because FFXIV is in a boring stale state

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

There could literally be 5 players left in the game and you'd still be able to find those 5 people for content, that doesnt mean the game is alive

Is it an exageration ? Absolutely but it just shows how stupid your point is, you also play on Crystal so of course you'll have people for content all the time, it's the only NA datacenter alive for content.

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Wait, what? Aether is supposed to be dead? Nobody told us.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Wait, what? Aether is supposed to be dead? Nobody told us.

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Adding on to this, Crystal leveling roulettes pop within 5 minutes in the early morning hours as a dps so I’m inclined to believe the complaining is a “them” problem. :)

I see some people are still pretending that you cant just forum post at work or while waiting for queues to pop.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Has been for months now since the beginning of this year lol

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No just your troll self on 10 different characters been here since the start of the year

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

There could literally be 5 players left in the game and you'd still be able to find those 5 people for content, that doesnt mean the game is alive

Is it an exageration ? Absolutely but it just shows how stupid your point is, you also play on Crystal so of course you'll have people for content all the time, it's the only NA datacenter alive for content.

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I'm sorry, I think you meant Aether? :D

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Originally Posted by Colt47

I'm sorry, I think you meant Aether? :D

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Yeah my bad xD I meant Aether

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I see some people are still pretending that you cant just forum post at work or while waiting for queues to pop.

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Given how slowly some people seem to make their way through the game maybe it actually isn't all that surprising that they vastly overestimate how long it takes to create a forum post.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

So why are you still here, then?

You make it your mission to criticise these people yet you're the one insistently trailing after their posts just to call them bitter daily. You'd think the "laundry list" of things you claim to want to do would offer more compelling entertainment for you.

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That's honestly what I been wondering, so many posters claiming how amazingly perfect the game is and yet they go to the forums. Like shouldn't you just never be at the forums if the game is perfect and play when you can play? Maybe it's like Game+ they aim to make it Perfect+ which is when everyone has the same opinion about the game that it is indeed flawless and it cannot be improved in any way shape or form, mhm.

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Originally Posted by OvernightSiren

Did something happen in the last week that ignited all of this?

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Yes something did indeed happen.

I decided to do Fates again to help a friend farm some Furniture's and as I was ready to hit the 1st Mob... I recalled many moons ago... (or Summers / Winters idk...) that I used to have a skill called " Kaiten ". Having fond memories of relaxing Fates just slashing away with... my Kaiten... obviously.

Alas, a Samurai with Kaiten I am no more... Gone... and a sudden amount of excessive in-game depression hit me, obviously. Copious amounts of Copium, as I dropped to my knees with my Katana falling off thine hand screaming into the sky for the one and only true savior ( Yoshi-P obviously ) " Why has thy forsaken thee! big nods! " I yelled with my tiny arms extended to the heavens in the most dramatic slow-motion manner you could think of... ( in my head of course cause like... that emote doesn't exist in-game? )

Thus I revisited the Forums to spread the word! that I want my Singular precious Button back!! " My precious " ( I have not watched Lord of the Rings? but this is a reference I think?... ) obviously!! even though I know damn well it shall never ever return... rip...

( How was that story-writing... 1/10? yeah I agree ._. )

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

There could literally be 5 players left in the game and you'd still be able to find those 5 people for content, that doesnt mean the game is alive

Is it an exageration ? Absolutely but it just shows how stupid your point is, you also play on Crystal so of course you'll have people for content all the time, it's the only NA datacenter alive for content.

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according to the people complaining in general about the state of the game, Crystal is, and always has been full of Limsa afk'ers

which would imply they may make it populated but they are doing nothing aside from posing or in RP events. you cant have it both ways. either people are playing the game or they are afk.. which is it?

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

That's honestly what I been wondering, so many posters claiming how amazingly perfect the game is and yet they go to the forums. Like shouldn't you just never be at the forums if the game is perfect and play when you can play? Maybe it's like Game+ they aim to make it Perfect+ which is when everyone has the same opinion about the game that it is indeed flawless and it cannot be improved in any way shape or form, mhm.

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Don't claim the games flawless but I do think it's a good game, sadly I have the thing called a career and it requires me to go to work. Not only work all the 10 hours I'm here but I do have to be here 10 hours so while I'm wasting time waiting to do my next part of my job I am on the forums because well I couldn't be on my PC at home sadly.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

according to the people complaining in general about the state of the game, Crystal is, and always has been full of Limsa afk'ers

which would imply they may make it populated but they are doing nothing aside from posing or in RP events. you cant have it both ways. either people are playing the game or they are afk.. which is it?

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was a wrong comment, I meant aether, corrected it last page but was too late lol

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

was a wrong comment, I meant aether, corrected it last page but was too late lol

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no worries ^^

as one of the Crystal "bums" who avoids Limsa at all costs, was just curious. We do seem to have a larger population than some thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Given how slowly some people seem to make their way through the game maybe it actually isn't all that surprising that they vastly overestimate how long it takes to create a forum post.

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You think stormpeaks is going through the game slowly? Of all the things to say about them, that's not something I would agree to.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

You think stormpeaks is going through the game slowly? Of all the things to say about them, that's not something I would agree to.

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I wasn't referring to Stormpeaks.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wasn't referring to Stormpeaks.

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I was though.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

Perhaps it is, but it's far from your place to call it out. Doubly so when one considers your usual cadence and tone. When you're constantly calling people you disagree with bitter and disenfranchised doomers, is it any wonder people completely uninvolved eventually get fed up with it? That's a far more likely prospect of why Lunaxia is posting after you.



Ah, well. I suppose I have no proof, it just felt like a narrative was being constructed by a few posters here whose conduct rather rubs me the wrong way. If I'm proven wrong, I'm perfectly willing to recant mind.

Eeesh, honestly this is such a stormy time to join the forums.

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They're not the only ones who feel like there's not enough content they want to do. But most MMO veterans who are rapid or picky content consumers understand that's the nature of MMOs and aren't bothered by it. They do what they're interested in then go play other games until the next content release. They don't run to the forums with "game is dying".

The vocal ones here in the forums seem to fall into mainly one of two camps: the ones who say the game has been trash for years (and yet continue to pay money for the trash game). It's hard to see those as anything but trolls but it's possible they're suffering from a gaming addiction and can't let go.

Then there are the ones who say the problem is only with Endwalker. If someone was spending all their time in Eureka and Bozja last expansion and dislike Deep Dungeons/Variant-Criterion dungeons, I can understand why they feel like there's not enough content they are personally interested in.

The claims of less overall content are false. We've been getting just as much content but the type of content or format (ie the trials not being a separate series but instead part of the MSQ) has changed in some cases. It's not a sign of a game in decline.

Some may be the feeling the change of pace to the story. We had been warned that was going to happen at the 2021 Announcement Showcase before Endwalker was released. We were told that with the Hydaelyn/Zodiark story being concluded in 6.0 instead of 6.3, the 6.x story was going to be more of a filler before the new main story arc for 7.0 was introduced in 6.55. Again, not a sign of a game in decline. It's just the result of the transition we were warned would be coming since 7.0 is presumably also going to introduce the promised new starting point for new characters.

Perhaps these people don't take to change easily and that's why all the doom and gloom. It's still gotten to be over the top, bitter, sarcastic, etc. and most of all annoying. There's no constructive discussion coming from it, just a lot of insults and ridicule of those who aren't seeing a problem.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except I dont pretend the game is THAT amazing and that there is SO much content in the game, I enjoy housing and hanging out with friends, so I have more than enough time for the forums

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Except there is a huge amount of content. Ask those trying to tackle it for the first time.

That you aren't interested in any of it other than housing doesn't mean the content doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They're not the only ones who feel like there's not enough content they want to do. But most MMO veterans who are rapid or picky content consumers understand that's the nature of MMOs and aren't bothered by it. They do what they're interested in then go play other games until the next content release. They don't run to the forums with "game is dying".

The vocal ones here in the forums seem to fall into mainly one of two camps: the ones who say the game has been trash for years (and yet continue to pay money for the trash game). It's hard to see those as anything but trolls but it's possible they're suffering from a gaming addiction and can't let go.

Then there are the ones who say the problem is only with Endwalker. If someone was spending all their time in Eureka and Bozja last expansion and dislike Deep Dungeons/Variant-Criterion dungeons, I can understand why they feel like there's not enough content they are personally interested in.

The claims of less overall content are false. We've been getting just as much content but the type of content or format (ie the trials not being a separate series but instead part of the MSQ) has changed in some cases. It's not a sign of a game in decline.

Some may be the feeling the change of pace to the story. We had been warned that was going to happen at the 2021 Announcement Showcase before Endwalker was released. We were told that with the Hydaelyn/Zodiark story being concluded in 6.0 instead of 6.3, the 6.x story was going to be more of a filler before the new main story arc for 7.0 was introduced in 6.55. Again, not a sign of a game in decline. It's just the result of the transition we were warned would be coming since 7.0 is presumably also going to introduce the promised new starting point for new characters.

Perhaps these people don't take to change easily and that's why all the doom and gloom. It's still gotten to be over the top, bitter, sarcastic, etc. and most of all annoying. There's no constructive discussion coming from it, just a lot of insults and ridicule of those who aren't seeing a problem.




Except there is a huge amount of content. Ask those trying to tackle it for the first time.

That you aren't interested in any of it other than housing doesn't mean the content doesn't exist.

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Also lol @ "Ask those trying to tackle it for the first time."

That's literally the point, if you played this game for a while, there is nothing left to do because 95% of the game is old outdated content, and no, sorry not sorry, roulettes are not content, it's the same boring thing in which you end up with 2 or 3 spells because its a low level dungeon or raid, because oh my god the entertainment of using 2 spells in a dungeon or raid, how fun

Actually, doing some queue times to try and see how hard it is to queue for 24 mans, it is an incredibly long wait to get into copied factory most of the time on crystal. The queue times have been something like 25+ minutes on a DPS and that is with a special event going at the same time.

As this MMO ages things are going to get really hard to run under the current design, including savage eventually when that population burns out (and it has been burning out pretty badly going into the tail end of tier 2). Hollow Earth going into full swing with this MMO just like it did with WoW most likely.