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No, they didn't.
I think we can all agree a house that isn't being used by their owner should be demolished. The developers agree or else they wouldn't have implemented the demolition feature. And the players agree which can be seen by the lack of sympathy whenever anyone loses their house to a demolition.
The only thing we disagree on is what constitutes as "being used". Right now it's entering your house at least once every 45 days for the game to consider your house still in use and not demolish it. And many players think that's enough.
However the argument can be made that whether the house is being used or not should depend on more than the fact wether you're entering it every 45 days. After all, decorating your house is the main and if we talk about personal housing only purpose of the house. I have to agree if your house just sits empty then it's not really being used.
The difficult part is deciding on the criteria that determine if a house is in use or not. There will always be players that disagree with whatever criteria are chosen, there are even players in disagreement with the current demolition criteria with some arguing it's too harsh and some arguing it's too lenient (like this post).
You're straying off into opinion here and that's going to cause disagreement.
SE has never stated what they expect players to do with their housing. It's advertised only as "your own little slice of Eorzea" on the NA publicity site. That would make it seem that the main purpose of housing is to own that slice of Eorzea, not decorating. Someone may want to use their house as a meeting space and undecorated, house interiors look nor that different from the main room of the community center at my childhood neighborhood park. While they of course had folding tables and chairs in storage for use at planned events, our Girl Scout troop would usually just be sitting on the floor in the middle of a room that was empty except for 2 folding tables.
As for decorating being the only purpose for a personal house, you are definitely incorrect. Many get a house for access to gardening. Others get it as a private space to do their crafting (though it could be argued that an apartment would suit that purpose just as well).
SE sets the definition for what constitutes use, whether we agree with their definition or not. Outside of the busybodies who love to stick their noses into other people's business, no one would care how others use their house if everyone had the house they want. It's only because not everyone can get the house of their choice that people go out of their way to find reasons why current owners don't deserve their house and should have it taken away.
Exactly. And like you said I don’t think auto-demo will ever go away entirely. But maybe it could be extended a lot longer, or if we had a good instanced housing system, it could just turn the “unused” house into an instanced house instead of demo when the timer’s up, so nothing is lost. The game has no way of telling whether you’re just on an extended break or if you’ve quit for good, so there has to be something for ward housing to open up if someone isn’t playing anymore.
Submarines are not accelerates it. Smart botters know that it's not worth to waste their time only to level the submarines.
Also my server's FC only ward still have alot of vacant plots (at least on Lavender Beds) and that thing helps to prove botters don't care with submarines.
And that is why I said what I said. Getting a house "just" for chocobo stables or gardening or crafting in piece is just outright dumb as there's apartments that grant you stables and function the exact same as a house stable except at a cheaper price. There's inn's you can go to and many other private/solo instances if you desire to craft in peace, no need to shell millions on a house to do that. If all you wanted to do was gardening it'd be insane to spend the millions just for a personal gardening plot when you can just join an FC for free and access gardening that way, boom you just saved millions.
The only reason you'd want to do all these activities on your own private plot - activities which you can already do much cheaper outside of private plots - is the benefit that comes with it being your own private plot: the ability to decorate it to your own liking.
Hence why I said that decoration is pretty much the only purpose of private housing.
I own an M-size house with the main reason I can have 19 gardening plots I can use for my own pleasure, so you can call me "dumb." There are such dumb people existing, but the fact remains that there are people who own houses with gardening being the primary reason.
Apartments only allow a measly 2 plots, and what you can grow is limited.
FC-owned plots are not always available for your personal use whenever the heck you want, which is a bother.
Some FCs have the FC owner pretty much using their garden plots on their own, and some FC houses don't have gardening plots so the problem remains.
You're assuming the FC isn't using their garden patches to grow things like Thavnairian Onions for their members and no one else in the FC would likewise want to use them.
That's not going to work out too well.
If you own a personal house, you don't have to worry about others wanting to use the garden patches. One garden patch can pay for the price of a small plot in less than 2 months depending on what you're growing.
You can make all the assumptions you want about the purpose of a personal house but they're still just your assumptions and others have their own ideas.
Subs are extremely ineffective at being RMT, no serious RMTer is using them. You'd need 100's of sub farms in order to match the throughput the actual RMTers can accomplish by farming gil drops from dungeons with bot farms. To think subs 'accelerated' it is a hilariously amusing statement.
Think of it this way - when a set of 4 subs can bring back on average 1mil gil per two days using the 48 hour routes, and the buyers of RMT can order 100's of millions of gil at once, even assuming you had 10 sub farms, it'd still take you 20 days on average to get that gil ready - no buyer is going to wait 20 days, that'd be an absurd request. Even ignoring the fact the subs requiring a several month investment cost whereas bot farms are instant as soon as they use their stolen CC's to buy game codes. No actual RMTer is gonna spend 4-5 months getting submarines up and running just for the possibility of the RMT gil to be linked back to them and having their account nuked in an instant undoing half a year's worth of work.
Also what happens when that FC leader decides they just want to quit the game cold turkey and deletes their character? Transfer to another server? Join a different FC? The entire FC they're a part of is just automatically screwed out of their house by one person? Great solution. *clap*
The amount of gatekeeping people like you who have houses have for people who don't is so staggering. There are people who have been trying since 2.4 to get a house (Myself included) and haven't been able to because of an artificial scarcity. Random Johnny's plot is worth EXACTLY the same as yours. He pays his sub fee the same as you and should have full access to the housing system, as should every player.
Gatekeeping a major portion of the game from others because you feel like your digital house that will be gone when the game is shut down in some twenty years is petty. At best.
It's almost like you can go on dynamis and get a house
oh wait you can but dont want to
its almost like you can make an fc and get an fc house
oh wait you dont want to
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Transfers from a non-New world to a New world are free.
Transfers from a Congested world to a Preferred world are also free.
There are some restrictions and bonuses involved with certain transfers, you can get more information here:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ion_balancing/
If you're considering a transfer so you can get a house, check the world you're considering first. While there are a good number of houses still available on Halicarnassus, Maduin and Marilith, a much larger number of players choose to transfer to Seraph and so most of the plots there have been sold in the personal purchase wards.
Yes. I don't want to leave my friends, FC, EB and decade of community interaction for a feature that should be baseline.
Image macro reaction all you want. You're still a toxic poster who reeks of "I got mine just move to a dead server where you have no friends and Duty finder takes 30+ min."
I will agree on those that say it's self inflicted because I don't have issues going back to Exodus from Seraph to visit, play with friends and old FC members and still have the same amount of fun when I used to live on Exodus. The massive difference is that I used to have an Apartment and lost all lottos and clicking wars prior (started in 2015) but now my friends from Exodus come visit me in my sweet personal mansion on Seraph and then we all go back to Exodus to do content together, the only minor inconvenience is waiting a minute or two to login between data centers. Soon, there will be global data center travel, long gone are the days of when you switch worlds, that truly meant leaving everything and everyone behind.
There are still many personal plots to buy on Dynamis and the six new wards have yet to open for bidding, so you have a chance at a personal mansion if you wanted or a medium with very good chances of winning one. The transfer is also free since it's still considered new worlds.
Don't fall for the Sub RMTers tricks and excuses, and don't transfer to Dynamis if you don't want to you lose access to, you also lose many vital features when you visit other datacenters, keep trying and keep asking for changes, subs should be available to all on the Island (after a nerf to salvage) and fc selling should be stomped by stricter rules or active moderation.
Then keep bidding and losing.
Not my problem. Dont want the solution ? Then keep trying and losing.
I find it hilarious from my Shiro 60 that I have that you cant even get a small, sorry not sorry. I usually am not mean but you're being a butt so I'll do the same.
They'd rather just complain that they lost hundreds of lotteries in a row instead of making the effort to move to Dynamis and then coordinate with their friends
It really is 100% self inflicted at this point
I did have those same fears at first but once you get used to data center traveling, it simply becomes a sort of commuting to return to your old NA world to play with your friends and old FC members there and vice versa when they visit me. As you said, it takes a bit of coordinating with friends but they have no issues with that because they like visiting me to bathe in my onsen from my own plot 60 Shiro mansion as well to chat. Some people act like waiting a minute or two to login between data centers is the same as having to go to an airport to travel..... Exodus is now congested and more people are showing up to Dynamis while the new wards have yet to open for bidding lol. Once they realize data center travel isn't as bad as they think, it's so much less stressful when you own your own plot instead of losing lotto after lotto on their congested worlds. It's true that you can't access your retainers but I solve that minor issue by having my Choco bags empty and then take what I will need when visiting other worlds and data centers.
I even won two mansion lottos on Seraph, the fullest of the Dynamis worlds, the first was my mansion at W14 P35 in Goblet when Seraph first went live and on Monday at Shiro W14 P60 :3
You wouldn't be leaving them. You would simply be moving out of town and commuting. The FC that this character is in has a lot of cross data center friends that frequently come join us for treasure map parties and savage mount farming.
The only inconvenience is the lack of instant access to retainers if you're in the habit of checking them constantly. In which case it's 1-2 minutes to travel back home and check them then 2-3 minutes to travel back to Balmung (or you can pick one of the other Crystal worlds for slightly faster travel time then use world visit to get on Balmung).
Is that you, CatStarwind?
I'm not running any sub farms. I've got a single FC with house that i use as a getaway for my alts and the alts of friends who don't want those characters in their mains' FCs. I've got characters on both Crystal and Dynamis.
You don't lose anything by transferring to Dynamis to get a house then using data center travel to play with friends. Except during prime time or a patch week, travel time between data centers is one minute or less. During prime time, it's still usually under 3 minutes. Patch week is when it can be unpredictable.
I was openly skeptical about data center travel before it started. Feel free to go back through some of my old posts. And yet i would now tell anyone that is it nothing to fear if you want to play with friends on other data centers. The only time it would be a problem is if you help run an RP venue and you need to be a member of the FC or a tenant to be able to change furnishing/lighting or if you want to attend a Ceremony of Eternal Bonding. In both cases, having a separate alt takes care of the problem since you don't have to actively play and level the alt.
It's a rare social player that isn't using Discord, especially now that PS5 has Discord support. There's the easy way to stay in contact with your friends when you're on separate data centers.
Whatever we think the system should be like, it is not what it is now. If someone wants a house now, they can get one on Dynamis if NA or one of the new EU worlds if EU.
I'd just like to throw in that I have a mansion in Ishgard overlooking the entire zone, and if everyone else who could scrape together the gil could get a mansion like mine, I'd still love it just the same.
That's good for you, it's a matter of opinion, not sure why this is still being argued lol, also a mansion in ishgard doesnt have the same value as a shiro 60 or a mist 35, if you knew about housing just a little, you would know. S60 and M35 are extremely rares and also extremely contested because they are quite literally the best larges in the game.
What would be absolutely amazing would be for people to stop acting as if they know housing, just like when Jojoya compared their mist 60 which is the absolutely worst medium in mist, to a shiro 60, saying that it "was the same because there are only 2 (30+60) in each wards like every other plot", being clueless is fine, but then at least dont pretend like you know anything about it, please.
I dont do ultimates, I dont do savage, I dont talk about ultimates and savage, I dont ask for nerfs or buffs, I dont talk about strategies, I dont criticize people for their opinions, because it's a topic that I dont know about, the same should be for housing, getting a house doesnt mean you magically know all about housing, if you think housing is reduced to "wow just put a bid on it and wait", then you have absolutely 0 clue about it. Proper housing requires research, and also a good knowledge of the housing market and all of the areas, and it takes quite a while to get that knowledge.
An instance-ward hybrid system is never going to exist anyway, so this is about as pointless a tangent as it gets.
But hey, since it's already pointless, I'm going to start a fight because I think you're being insufferable and I know exactly what you're trying to get at: most of the conventional valuations aren't what they used to be and M35 has long been horribly overrated. Yards at a 90 degree angle to the sunset are m-m-m-mid. "B-b-b-but I can float a dock on the fence!" Snore. Hell, M35 isn't even "on" the beach, you're next to a little bundle of rocks and have an entire pier between you and the real beach. M36 has long been the superior plot aesthetically unless you need a large for build specific reasons.
And S60? Again, angled to the sunset, and are you ever going to actually going to *use* those hot springs? Or are you just pretending it's important to you because other people value it? (And if you do, even then, again you get beaten by a medium: S8/38 springs are better!) S46 at least lets you lord over the entire district AND get that beautiful sunset right in your face. Get up on the roof and you have a nearly unrestricted sightline on the entire ward unless S37 builds a castle, at which point you can laugh at their house facing the wrong way. But let's be honest: E30/60 devalued S30/60 for everyone who isn't into the Shiro aesthetic or obsessed with a sunset off the narrow end of their yard.
And of course there's always the elephant in the room: LB41. There is no house in the game that compares. Mediums really just get all the good placements.
Congrats, any large is a nice achievement, I still enjoyed my old mansion at W14 P35 in The Goblet prior to moving to my curret W14 P60 mansion in Shiro and yeah, I too don't mind others having the same plot as me lol :3
With the newest walls, having my personal onsen is better than the one behind my home and sunsets do look very nice from my private onsen as well. I like using my onsen a lot, especially when I have friends over since the ones behind my home are still public, so it's still fair game for anyone to use while mine are truly private with no ugly Paissa or Candyland houses to ruin the view and the graphics update in 7.0 will only make the view that much nicer, Empyreum is too gloomy for me and has the absolute worse placements of the Aetherytes too. I do agree that LB 11/41 is one of the best plots in the game but I wanted a large instead. All larges are nice because, well, they are larges and the rarest of all homes and I also liked my old Goblet W14 P35 mansion too. Now if they could update and add trees to the canyon, it would make The Goblet much better and a true oasis and more akin to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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Actually depends on which mansion. Empyreum 30/60 is the prized Large of the zone, right above the hot springs, and Empyreum is actually a pretty popular district on my server.
Just because people don’t share your opinion of which plots are best, doesn’t mean they don’t know housing. These things vary from server to server, let alone person to person. Some plots may have an almost universal appeal, but it really is subjective in the end. If all I cared about was someone else’s opinion of the “value” of my plot, I wouldn’t be trying to move! lol
As someone who’s worked in real estate irl, I can tell you the old adage “location, location, location” is definitely true. lol But for FFXIV, what the popular locations are vary widely depending on what server you’re on. And with the scarcity, that’s definitely messing up the bid count… I can attest to that just from personal experience. My favorite plot always gets a ton of bids, but I’m constantly surprised by the bid count on plots that I foolishly thought only I could see the beauty in! lol And mediums that generally aren’t considered as “popular” are getting more bids than those that are when both appear in a lotto, simply because people are trying to increase their odds. Now if you want to talk about rarity in terms of retention, you could probably make the argument that someone getting an S60 is more likely to hold on to it, so it isn’t up for bidding as often, and that’s a valid point. But “S60 is better than M35”? That’s a value judgement, based on opinion. Personally I don’t care for either of them, but then, my dream plot is a small! lol
Different people attach different value to different things… some people will choose a plot with an MB and bell out front over a pretty view. There’s that one poster here who doesn’t care what large she ends up with as long as it’s one that faces its entrance. (Which yes, some of these larges with the gate on the side wall of the house make my ocd cringe!) For some, only the size matters, for others only the neighborhood, for others any house will do because they just want a house. Value is subjective. Popularity, while it can be measured and tracked, is also subjective because it varies from person to person and definitely from server to server.
How are they going to enforce that? People can just put down a summoning bell and a mender and meet the technical requirements of having their house "decorated." I'm all for giving houses to people who actually decorate them but automating that can be easily circumvented just by putting down a bunch of vendor items