Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

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I dont see the point of having an Alt anyway. Other then RP (Not Erp, thats a seperate thing you weirdos)
Like you can do everything on 1 character, you dont need to have multiple characters for multiple Professions. So other then RP: just simply being in a different skin, what is the point?

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Raid lockouts. It's beneficial for raiders who have cleared but want to keep practicing, or who have cleared with friend group A but want to help friend group B, without affecting 7 other people's loot lockouts.

(Edit: I don't agree with OP though. The MSQ is just fine. He can buy a skip if he needs to be at endgame ASAP that badly lmao.)

I have a slew of alts they're all end game. Some I took through story, others I skipped. I suspect we'll get a fresh start with 7.0 but I could be wrong.

Another aspect to keep in mind is the new player experience. Imagine selling your friend on the game with the cool raids and such. Now imagine they ask how long it takes to get to that point and you have to tell them "Oh, 150 hours or so."

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Another aspect to keep in mind is the new player experience. Imagine selling your friend on the game with the cool raids and such. Now imagine they ask how long it takes to get to that point and you have to tell them "Oh, 150 hours or so."

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If you were actually trying to sell it to them and not trying to portray it in a way that puts them off, you describe it as being five 30-hour RPGs in a row, which is a much better summary of its structure than a single 150-hour epic. You get access to more cool raids at the conclusion of each instalment, not only at the end of everything.

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Another aspect to keep in mind is the new player experience. Imagine selling your friend on the game with the cool raids and such. Now imagine they ask how long it takes to get to that point and you have to tell them "Oh, 150 hours or so."

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I wouldnt even dare tell a new player that it takes literally an entire month to get to the end game, no wonder the MSQ and level boosts are always in top sales

oooooooooooooookay

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

I am not saying it is a great game. I am saying that leveling was great because of voice acting.



Because other aspect were bs, like they used horrible engine, there were tons bugs, they didn't think about post game content.
I am not saying that old republic is great, i am saying it has a great voice acting.
GW2 or ESO also has voice acting, both of them are popular.

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SWTOR has great voice acting because they blew the whole wad on voice acting. The game suffered because they didn't have the money for it.
GW2 has a very minimal story compared to others, so it didn't cost as much.
Voice acting costs a ton.

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Another aspect to keep in mind is the new player experience. Imagine selling your friend on the game with the cool raids and such. Now imagine they ask how long it takes to get to that point and you have to tell them "Oh, 150 hours or so."

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since this game's biggest selling point is the story, you and other people are doing a huge disservice for it by painting the game where the endgame matters. When FFXIV's endgame is the most casualest of content where players wont be spending their time on it for very long unlike other MMOs that are built around it.

The reason why this game is so successful is because of that player investment where the narrative sets the tone for everything that you do, which is FFXIV's biggest strength.

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I wouldnt even dare tell a new player that it takes literally an entire month to get to the end game, no wonder the MSQ and level boosts are always in top sales

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Doubt its new players. Probably a bunch of people with alts.

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Another aspect to keep in mind is the new player experience. Imagine selling your friend on the game with the cool raids and such. Now imagine they ask how long it takes to get to that point and you have to tell them "Oh, 150 hours or so."

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Why would I want to sell the game on the raids? The normal raids are nothing impressive - just a series of boss trials. Alliance raids are better, but still not all that cool.
Endgame is the where the game ends, and the grind starts. Certainly not the strong point of this game.
The MSQ and the sidequests is where the fun is, so it is a good thing there are so much of it.

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Doubt its new players. Probably a bunch of people with alts.

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I don't really see the point of having alts in this game, but that's just me, I have a character on EU and one on NA, but that's really it, no point to have more, even to join a wedding you can level to 10-15 (I think ?) and that's enough

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Why would I want to sell the game on the raids? The normal raids are nothing impressive - just a series of boss trials. Alliance raids are better, but still not all that cool.
Endgame is the where the game ends, and the grind starts. Certainly not the strong point of this game.
The MSQ and the sidequests is where the fun is, so it is a good thing there are so much of it.

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That's really debatable, a lot of people obviously disagree, that's why the boosts for MSQ and level boost are on top sales every single week. Else they wouldnt sell at all and they wouldnt even exist.

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I don't really see the point of having alts in this game, but that's just me, I have a character on EU and one on NA, but that's really it, no point to have more, even to join a wedding you can level to 10-15 (I think ?) and that's enough



That really is your opinion, a lot of people disagree else the boosts wouldnt exist because they simply wouldnt sell.

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Nah the main buyer of the boosts are those 2-3 forum trolls that seem to have a new max level alt every week to post with.

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Nah the main buyer of the boosts are those 2-3 forum trolls that seem to have a new max level alt every week to post with.

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Dont wake up Titanmen and his army of alts, he's been a bit quiet lately, except if he's that reaver person too, actually probably..

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Dont wake up Titanmen and his army of alts, he's been a bit quiet lately, except if he's that reaver person too, actually probably..

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TitanMen doesn't sleep. He waits.

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I don't really see the point of having alts in this game, but that's just me, I have a character on EU and one on NA, but that's really it, no point to have more, even to join a wedding you can level to 10-15 (I think ?) and that's enough

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I like to have a few alts. I rushed the story on my first character to reach endgame and play with friends, on my 2nd one I decided to do everything (there’s not a single quest left in Eorzea), take it slowly and enjoy the MSQ. My other ones are mainly to play with friends elsewhere or to try new things. When in the same fc, it also means extra free storage. I prefer alts to using fantasia potions. I’m fine with the MSQ (I don’t want it pre completed on alts, maybe have an option but not auto-complete).

What I find is really lacking is the possibility to share a house and items (other than through an fc). Mogstation unlocks should also be account wide and so should some achievements. Having MSQ completion achievements tied to character makes sense but things like comms, gather or craft x thousand things could be account wide.

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Fully agreed. People need to realize that Final Fantasy XIV was never meant to be everyone's "main game". It's a part-time, mostly-single-player game that you beat and put back on the shelf once you're done. It cannot possibly please anyone, and never had the potential to compete with World of Warcraft or other big-name MMOs. It's a smaller, niche product that appeals to a very small segment of the population.

The real problem is the wave of streamers and "e-celebs" who marketed FFXIV as a WoW replacement back in 2021 when it clearly wasn't supposed to be. 1.3 million players is unhealthy and unsustainable for a game this niche, as it creates unrealistic expectations. The developers don't want this to be the next WoW. They didn't even want to make 2.0: they had to, to avoid a total collapse of their company. And everything since then was carrying the weight of those mistakes to please shareholders.

This game had a hard life. Anyone expecting anything from Square Enix (you know, the NFT company) is in for a rude awakening.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Why would I want to sell the game on the raids? The normal raids are nothing impressive - just a series of boss trials. Alliance raids are better, but still not all that cool.
Endgame is the where the game ends, and the grind starts. Certainly not the strong point of this game.
The MSQ and the sidequests is where the fun is, so it is a good thing there are so much of it.

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Sure hope you don't mean the regular yellow sidequests

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I don't really see the point of having alts in this game, but that's just me, I have a character on EU and one on NA, but that's really it, no point to have more, even to join a wedding you can level to 10-15 (I think ?) and that's enough

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There are a couple of reasons for having alts.

One of them being housing. While you can only have a house per Server, you can have multiple apartments or FC rooms. With 6.4x Island Sanctuary will also support outdoor furnishings, adding more to the list, and increasing minimum level requirements from 50 to 90(MSQ cleared). People who like decorating currently have to remove their designs before being able to build new ones. Not to mention, that at some point furnishings will start filling up too much inventory space.

The second reason is raiding. Players in a static may want to help others out. This requires an additional character to circumvent loot restrictions.
Deep dungeons may also be a possible reason, if someone is running those with more than 2 groups.

And there is roleplaying too. People like playing as different characters. Those of course have to be perfectly glamoured, so staying at low levels is not an option.


That being said, and being an altoholic myself, I agree that SE is not forcing anyone to buy story skips though. Clearing the MSQ takes a lot of time, and it can feel exhausting once alt numbers are in double digits, but there is no reason to rush either.

I also wish for a better solution or even having account-wide progress on the MSQ. But I would not go as far as stating that SE is forcing me to buy anything.

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Sure hope you don't mean the regular yellow sidequests

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Like I almost finished them in every Map with only a few having good stories behind them. All these quests...these...

• Pick items off the ground
• Unskippable slow-motion multiple choice cutscenes
• Forced mount riding scenery
• Say this dumb word/sentence/emote at specific npc/spot
• Discount FPS simulator
• Warrior of light/ grab this box and carry it yonder
• Beckon this slow-motion having ass NPC's
• Weaken x mob and capture it with something

So much Quests so much woah, much fun, much woah. Look it's cute the first few times... but after a while =u=;

I've been playing MMOs since 1999. I tend to have alts in other games, especially where you're limited to one class. I have alts here. But I also recognize that this game has a different setup. One of the strengths is that you can try all classes on a single character. That was one thing that forced us to have alts in past MMOs and that requirement doesn't exist here. And so I know that alts, while a valid choice, are still a choice in this game and not a necessity. So I do what's necessary to see them progress, be that story skips or playing through the MSQ again.

You can comment on FF 14 MSQ ..but then theres this.

Here is a PARTIAL list of the GIGANTIC amount of content Blizzard wiped out of existence. There is a ton more. Whilst I agree the MSQ can be daunting, THIS is what sets us apart from that FOMO riddled Destiny clone wannabe.

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All zone stories from all zones in Eastern Kingdroms and Kalimdor from Vanilla, many of which either had sequels or references in Cata updated versions of the zones, or were followed up on in other expansions
Most class-specific quests that showed how characters got abilities from Vanilla, EG Shaman totem quests or Druid form quests
The original Deadmines, Scholomance, and Zul'Gurub from Vanilla
The original Zul'Aman from BC
The original Karazhan ring quests from BC
The Wrathgate/Siege of Undercity from WoTLK
Battlefield Barrens from MoP (the zone changes are still there, but the events they were tied to and surrounding quests are removed)
Legendary ring quest chain from WoD
Legendary Cloak quest chain from MoP
Vash'jir intro and ending from Cata
Alliance Twilight Highlands intro from Cata
Some pre-destruction of the Vale versions of daily quests in MoP
The Mage Tower quest chain endings from Legion
All Pre-patch content from BC, WoTLK, Cata, MoP, Legion, BFA, and Shadowlands, including the opening of the Dark Portal, the zombie invasion event, Operation Gnomeregan, Zalazane's fall, the Elemental incursions, the bombing of Theramore Isle (Scenarios are still playable, but not the surrounding quests), The Legion invasion, the War of the Thorns event, and the Scourge attacks
Finding Wrathion (8.2 section) in BFA
Finding Thrall and Jaina in Torghast in Shadowlands

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and

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cat...son+2#mw-pages

THREE PAGES of obliterated quests, items from the game. THREE FULL PAGES. If that doesnt disgust you...

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

SWTOR has great voice acting because they blew the whole wad on voice acting. The game suffered because they didn't have the money for it.
GW2 has a very minimal story compared to others, so it didn't cost as much.
Voice acting costs a ton.

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Tell me you didn't play those games without actually telling me.

Even if GW2 had shorter story, it is completely voice acted, while FFXIV has 1/3 of a main story voice acted at best. There are 10 VAs just for player character and it's not just main story, but everything, including random NPCs that are voice acted. But most importantly, the game will cost you now 60 euro for all expansions, no sub ever needed. So if smaller game with much more customer friendly prices can do it, why can't FFXIV?

As for SWTOR, I haven't played it, but quick googling tells me that problems were mainly technical with some questionable design choices, while players praise it's story (which is where investing into VA pays off).

"Voice acting costs ton" - Everything costs a ton if you mismanage it. Why do we need Game of Thrones actors and celebrities like KENN? It's just flex, if they hire less known, but just as capable VAs for half a price, they save money, give exposure to the new talent and they get good relation with that VA. But yeah, then they cannot use the "we hired too popular people that are too busy, which is why we couldn't get voice acting done" excuse.

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You can comment on FF 14 MSQ ..but then theres this.

Here is a PARTIAL list of the GIGANTIC amount of content Blizzard wiped out of existence. There is a ton more. Whilst I agree the MSQ can be daunting, THIS is what sets us apart from that FOMO riddled Destiny clone wannabe.



and

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cat...son+2#mw-pages

THREE PAGES of obliterated quests, items from the game. THREE FULL PAGES. If that doesnt disgust you...

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If the only way to defend parts of your game is by downplaying others, your game doesnt have as much quality points as you think it does

And why would it digust me? MMOs are supposed to be a living breathing world. People already meme on characters existing in 4 different versions due to sharding.

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Like I almost finished them in every Map with only a few having good stories behind them. All these quests...these...

• Pick items off the ground
• Unskippable slow-motion multiple choice cutscenes
• Forced mount riding scenery
• Say this dumb word/sentence/emote at specific npc/spot
• Discount FPS simulator
• Warrior of light/ grab this box and carry it yonder
• Beckon this slow-motion having ass NPC's
• Weaken x mob and capture it with something

So much Quests so much woah, much fun, much woah. Look it's cute the first few times... but after a while =u=;

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90% of the MSQ is bog standard MMORPG filler quests without being able to skip them like you can in other MMOs

My lala alt just finished 6.0 and ive barely played her... sorry but if its too much it might be just the wrong game...

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If the only way to defend parts of your game is by downplaying others, your game doesnt have as much quality points as you think it does

And why would it digust me? MMOs are supposed to be a living breathing world. People already meme on characters existing in 4 different versions due to sharding.




90% of the MSQ is bog standard MMORPG filler quests without being able to skip them like you can in other MMOs

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Pretty much this tbh

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I am simply displaying the massive shortcomings. Be glad SE doesnt take this hack and slash approach.

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I am simply displaying the massive shortcomings. Be glad SE doesnt take this hack and slash approach.

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No, i actually prefer it the WoW way, making it feel like an actual world. In the grand scheme of things the amount of stuff removed is miniscule. Also better remove for everyone compared to removed and then put in the store due to greed *cough* seasonal events *cough*

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No, i actually prefer it the WoW way, making it feel like an actual world

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..of WHAT? Where is the world of Legion, of WOTLK, Of Cataclysm....of Pandaria? Gone. Cutscenes? Hundreds of them. Gone. Obliterated.

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. In the grand scheme of things the amount of stuff removed is miniscule.

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Miniscule? The Legion and MOP legendary quests ALONE amount to over 100 hours of content. More.

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Also better remove for everyone compared to removed and then put in the store due to greed *cough* seasonal events *cough*

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So they can be acquired even if you werent here then. Where can i get the MOP cloak?? The WOD ring? Where can I play the thousands of hours of deleted content that Blizzard literally wiped out of existence?

You cant.

Shinkuno, for the love of heaven, the Blizzard dev team WIPED OUT an entire questline in their Shadowlands expansion..in the first few weeks. They told no one. Not even their CURRENT expansion is safe from this idiocy.

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It should be noted that along with these quests, events that are relevant to the storyline have also disappeared, whether in the form of cutscenes or in-game dialogues. Even if their importance is considered minimal, players see no reason why Blizzard should remove these quests entirely. To make matters worse, there was no mention of these quests in patch 9.1, as you would expect from such an important change.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...r_new_players/

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From what I can tell, when 9.1 dropped Blizzard simply removed the following quests in an undocumented change. Simply deleted them and marked the complete for everybody. Given that the core problem that starts the expansion is the capture of the faction leaders, simply deleting these quests obviously guts the bulk of the main, non-covenant story for the entire expansion.

Apparently deleted quests: Explore Torghast / Remnants of Hope / Information for a Price / Torment Chamber: Jaina / Finding a Witness / Lest the Trail Go Cold / Torment Chamber: Thrall / Signs of the Lion / The Captive King / An Echo in the Darkness / The Highlord's Vision / A Mourneblade Born / The Jailer's Grasp

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I never did them. And I can't. All the quests with Bolvar peering into the Maw, and Jaina severing the Jailer's tie to him, and all those cutscenes . . . simply gone.

How [ bleep] stupid is that?

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It's infuriating if you missed it due to real life things or taking a break.

STOP IT BLIZZARD.

They started doing this in BFA. War of Thornes was probably the coolest pre-patch event in the game in terms of lore and it was axed. All those dev resources wasted and if you missed it, screw you.

Then they deleted all the Heart of Azeroth quests for Magni, getting Mother, etc. They had been catchup quests but they all got axed with each patch making the Heart of Azeroth story non-sensical if you jumped in at 8.3.

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This is the best of them all

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Dude, go buy a burrito from Chipotle. The inspirational story written on the bag is better writing than this game.

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Sure hope you don't mean the regular yellow sidequests

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Sure do mean those. Lots of them are good, and some of the regular questlines are among my favorite parts of the game.

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Sure do mean those. Lots of them are good, and some of the regular questlines are among my favorite parts of the game.

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I agree. I recently did every single quest in Eorzea on an alt as they appeared on my map while progressing the MSQ. Now working on EW. While you do indeed have a lot of Fedex stuff, it's not always the case and they give a lot of insight and background as well as follow up on certain events and lore. I quite enjoyed it.

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making it feel like an actual world.

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From that same Reddit thread

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Imagine starting WoW blind in 2021:

step 1: start a new character on a boat that crashes and you fight ogres raising a zombie dragon. Why? where is this? what were you doing? who knows!

Step 2: now bad news kid, its war, you are going off to bfa where the planets blood is a powerful crystal, why? who knows you sure as hell dont know about the sword in silithus as you dont get the heart quest till level 40 if you even bother. Now cross these zones, maybe two max gearing up for a war.

Step 3: too bad you hit lvl.50 so forget that war, now you are going to this frozen castle you dont know to go into the afterlife which is in the sky, dont question it, to rescue people who outside jaina you have never met. Enjoy questing through these floating bowls re-meeting people you have never met and dont understand the significance of to stop sylvanas. Who? doesn’t matter if you are alliance you never met her.

Step 4: Those people you came to rescue? yeah that part was patched out they are fine NOW LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT SIGILS

That will be 15 bucks a month. Welcome to World of Warcraft in 2021. Don’t forget to preorder the sylvanas novel.

Its like its full on end of life cycle and blizzard knows at best its an endless adventure mode to keep sunk cost players churning new alts with a habit forming progress loop, always staring at that cash shop button and they know the game can only decline at this point and any hopes of a resurgence or significant new generations of players is long gone.

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All I can say is THANK THE TWELVE we dont have to put up with this kind of amateur night garbage.

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You are not going to criticize WoW's cash shop, otherwise we can compare WoW's cash shop and FFXIV's, I dont think you want to go down that road, or should we ?

Do you want to compare how many glams are on the shop, all the job boosts and MSQ boosts ? All the furnitures for the garden ? And more and more ?

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You are not going to criticize WoW's cash shop and compare it to FFXIV, I dont think you want to go down that road, or should we ?

Do you want to compare how many glams are on the shop, all the job boosts and MSQ boosts ? All the furnitures for the garden ? And more and more

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Tell ya what. When Blizzard starts offering the MASSES of deleted ingame content in the game for the cash shop then maybe we can talk. When I can do Ordos and the Cloak again. The WOD ring. All the MOP intro quests. All the deleted Shadowlands content. See all of the deleted cutscenes they nuked into oblivion.

There was a questline I LOVED, "The Old Seer", you meet an old Pandaren who needs help climbing a mountain, you do so , the old Pandaren turns out to be Emperor Shaohao's spirit. It was an awesome lore moment, on one of my detachable HDDs somewhere are screenshots of that quest.

I was so surprised in the moment that I went to one knee.

Here it is. Patch 5.31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WJKs7a4Txg

oh and dont bother going back into WOW to do it for yourself. No one will ever see it, no new player will ever see it.

Its been deleted. Forever.

Items are irrelevant in this context. Glamour is glamour...what we are discussing is the utter absurdity of WOW"s "story" compared to the masterpiece that is FF 14's story from ARR to today. I can fairly state for a certainty that SE wont be going back into said content and wiping out hundreds ..make that THOUSANDS...of hours of content in the name of FOMO.

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Tell ya what. When Blizzard starts offering the MASSES of deleted ingame content in the game for the cash shop then maybe we can talk. When I can do Ordos and the Cloak again. The WOD ring. All the MOP intro quests. All the deleted Shadowlands content. See all of the deleted cutscenes they nuked into oblivion.

Items are irrelevant in this context. Glamour is glamour...what we are discussing is the utter absurdity of WOW"s "story" compared to the masterpiece that is FF 14's story from ARR to today. I can fairly state for a certainty that SE wont be going back into said content and wiping out hundreds of hours of content in the name of FOMO.

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Lmao you are on some next level "ff good wow bad" nonsense, but then again coming from you I'm not very surprised, you always go on gigantic wall of text rants about how every other MMO is absolute garbage and FFXIV is a "masterpiece"

Also, it's your opinion that the story is a masterpiece, not a fact.

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You are not going to criticize WoW's cash shop, otherwise we can compare WoW's cash shop and FFXIV's, I dont think you want to go down that road, or should we ?

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So, you're fine with the 4 Steps listed then, because you only focused on a throwaway reference (not even a full sentence) to the cash shop. Noted.

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So, you're fine with the 4 Steps listed then, because you only focused on a throwaway reference (not even a full sentence) to the cash shop. Noted.

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I did those quests back when they were current, and personally I couldnt care less if they were put back in the game, wouldnt bother me either way, WoW has more than enough content as it is, and them letting people go do Ordos without the cloak is the least of worries for current players, it really is, no one complains about it, feel free to have a look at the WoW forums.

People miss out on stuff from time to time, it's the cycle of life of a game like WoW, unlike in FF where any sort of exclusive item is met with a giant uproar for no reason at all, some things are just meant to be exclusive, and that's fine.

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Lmao you are on some next level "ff good wow bad" nonsense, but then again coming from you I'm not very surprised, you always go on gigantic wall of text rants about how every other MMO is absolute garbage and FFXIV is a "masterpiece"

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Compared to many I have seen in the last 30-40 years, yes it is. Head and shoulders, with a few others to keep it company.

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We agree. It is my opinion, it is one of the main reasons I stay and enjoy the game so much. I just wish I could say the same about WOW's story..because, as I said,. they dont have a new game plus, they dont have a lot of the content that came before. FF 14's game content and story remains intact. New players can do it or skip as they please..but it is STILL THERE.

THAT is what matters.

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I did those quests back when they were current, and personally I couldnt care less if they were put back in the game, wouldnt bother me either way, WoW has more than enough content as it is, and them letting people go do Ordos without the cloak is the least of worries for current players, it really is, no one complains about it, feel free to have a look at the WoW forums.

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Blizzard in fact promised everyone that the cloak would not be needed for Ordos, said so up untril the day of the patch,

Dont believe me?

https://www.engadget.com/2014-09-20-...t-removed.html

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Yes, you will not need the cloak to fight Ordos in 6.0.
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THEN after the patch came out said "Oh dear, so sorry too bad so sad sucks be to youuuuuu we changed our minds". I cant post screenshots of the MASSIVE outcry that followed because............all the forum threads from that time and the entire forum itself were...wait for it..wait for it...

DELETED.

The entire forum, all the subgroups, all the subthreads, went down the memory hole, never to be seen again.

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Lmao you are on some next level "ff good wow bad" nonsense, but then again coming from you I'm not very surprised, you always go on gigantic wall of text rants about how every other MMO is absolute garbage and FFXIV is a "masterpiece"

Also, it's your opinion that the story is a masterpiece, not a fact.

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Says the person who infamously likes to rant and start shit with other forum users with an unhealthy obessesive hate addiction for both the game and the company.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Compared to many I have seen in the last 30-40 years, yes it is. Head and shoulders, with a few others to keep it company.



We agree. It is my opinion, it is one of the main reasons I stay and enjoy the game so much. I just wish I could say the same about WOW's story..because, as I said,. they dont have a new game plus, they dont have a lot of the content that came before. FF 14's game content and story remains intact. New players can do it or skip as they please..but it is STILL THERE.

THAT is what matters.

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That's what matters to YOU, this is still YOUR opinion, why are you making it a fact when it isnt ?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I did those quests back when they were current, and personally I couldnt care less if they were put back in the game, wouldnt bother me either way, WoW has more than enough content as it is, and them letting people go do Ordos without the cloak is the least of worries for current players, it really is, no one complains about it, feel free to have a look at the WoW forums.

People miss out on stuff from time to time, it's the cycle of life of a game like WoW, unlike in FF where any sort of exclusive item is met with a giant uproar for no reason at all, some things are just meant to be exclusive, and that's fine.

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Your opinion in this response is noted. It is unfortunate that you focused only on a part of a sentence without thinking, rather than replying as you did here.