Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I wouldnt worry about those people. Everyone's aware that the forums is just a popularity contest. They don't like people who go against their cuddle puddle of ideas.

But yeah, that "wahh"? Smh

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"cuddle puddle of ideas" I would say the forum has a very diverse set of opinions, but if you say something incredibly stupid or lacks self-awareness your going to get dunked on.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

but if you say something incredibly stupid or lacks self-awareness your going to get dunked on.

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Like “you don’t have mount so you don’t get an opinion” as an example. That was incredibly stupid

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Like “you don’t have mount so you don’t get an opinion” as an example. That was incredibly stupid

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That isn't what I said though, I just pointed out that his opinion isn't based on any experience. he can have his opinion but I can point out he lacks any experience with the topic. I don't go asking my baker for car repair advice.

Also, I'll go to him if I need advice on EQ2 raiding.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

"cuddle puddle of ideas" I would say the forum has a very diverse set of opinions, but if you say something incredibly stupid or lacks self-awareness your going to get dunked on.

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Sure, the forums has diverse opinions. You just get attacked if you have the wrong ones. Doesn't have to do with saying something stupid. Cause if you dunk on someone for saying something stupid but you're on the "wrong side", oh well now you have 3-4 people dunking on you.

It's a never-ending circle. Kolaina dunked on Stormpeaks for acting childish. Now people are dunking on Kolaina for acting childish, which means they are also being childish. But it's okay when they do it. Just not the person who goes against the grain. Because you're all on the side of Stormpeaks. Where as if people don't like you or Stormpeaks, they'll side with Kolaina for dunking on you. It has nothing to do with the comment itself. Just who said it and who it is against.

The fact that you didn't call out the condescending "wahh"s or "show us on the doll" proves my point.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

At least they wait till Sunday to do these threads on the WoW forums...

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Lol no they don't...some do but most don't

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Sure, the forums has diverse opinions. You just get attacked if you have the wrong ones. Doesn't have to do with saying something stupid. Cause if you dunk on someone for saying something stupid but you're on the "wrong side", oh well now you have 3-4 people dunking on you.

It's a never-ending circle. Kolaina dunked on Stormpeaks for acting childish. Now people are dunking on Kolaina for acting childish, which means they are also being childish. But it's okay when they do it. Just not the person who goes against the grain. Because you're all on the side of Stormpeaks. Where as if people don't like you or Stormpeaks, they'll side with Kolaina for dunking on you. It has nothing to do with the comment itself. Just who said it and who it is against.

The fact that you didn't call out the condescending "wahh"s or "show us on the doll" proves my point.

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I don't really care for either of them,I don't know anyone on the forum and can find myself agreeing with someone in one thread and disagreeing with them in another.

*looks at the cliques forming*
What is this? Discord? Besides, status over items is silly in a game where you can buy clears from other sites, lol. (I'm not accusing anyone, put down the pitchforks. You'll hurt yourself. :/)

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Besides, status over items is silly in a game where you can buy clears

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Completely. When the raid community was smaller, back in ARR, there were tons of people with pony mounts and high Allagan / dreadwyrm. But none of them were raiders. I know because I sold most of them the clears for Gil. It was far more lucrative than crafting to make money at the time.

These people wore status symbols when the amount of participation for them was to touch the wall for instant death so they didn’t screw up mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

That isn't what I said though, I just pointed out that his opinion isn't based on any experience. he can have his opinion but I can point out he lacks any experience with the topic. I don't go asking my baker for car repair advice.

Also, I'll go to him if I need advice on EQ2 raiding.

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I also said I raided in the past in FFXIV. I also have raid leadership experience in general.

You don't need to be a present FFXIV raider to have an opinion on cheating against the TOS, what raiding means to you and whether cheating has a place in it, or what you would expect from a leader in regards to communication.

If the topic was specific to mechanics of a current raid, maybe you'd have a point. You were gatekeeping pure and simple because you disagreed. When a CURRENT raider said they agreed with me, you were just like "oh since you raid today that's cool." For saying the same exact thing. *eyeroll*

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Originally Posted by Mosha

"cuddle puddle of ideas" I would say the forum has a very diverse set of opinions, but if you say something incredibly stupid or lacks self-awareness your going to get dunked on.

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I don't know how diverse the forums are, but I do know some topics have had e-wars fought over them for years on here. People are certainly very.... passionate, we'll say, about their opinions on here.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I don't know how diverse the forums are, but I do know some topics have had e-wars fought over them for years on here. People are certainly very.... passionate, we'll say, about their opinions on here.

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WHERE. IS. MY. LORDS. OF. VERMILLION. UPDATE?!

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

WHERE. IS. MY. LORDS. OF. VERMILLION. UPDATE?!

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The same place as Highlander eyebrows, I would imagine - the void.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I also said I raided in the past in FFXIV. I also have raid leadership experience in general.

You don't need to be a present FFXIV raider to have an opinion on cheating against the TOS, what raiding means to you and whether cheating has a place in it, or what you would expect from a leader in regards to communication.

If the topic was specific to mechanics of a current raid, maybe you'd have a point. You were gatekeeping pure and simple because you disagreed. When a CURRENT raider said they agreed with me, you were just like "oh since you raid today that's cool." For saying the same exact thing. *eyeroll*

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yeah, I am gatekeeping, what about it? as I said I'll respect someone's opinion on a topic more if they are active with the subject. there nothing wrong with that.

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I don't know how diverse the forums are, but I do know some topics have had e-wars fought over them for years on here. People are certainly very.... passionate, we'll say, about their opinions on here.

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I just want male characters to not have ken doll anatomy :c

And butt sliders.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

yeah, I am gatekeeping, what about it? as I said I'll respect someone's opinion on a topic more if they are active with the subject. there nothing wrong with that.

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And well, I don't think the topic is one you need to currently raid to have an opinion on. Nothing about the topic is unique to the present raid tier whatsoever. The topic overall was leadership and consequences for a leader making a decision, something I'm extremely well versed in. Even if I'm not, it's not a topic you need unique specific encounter experience to evaluate.

You also had no response when a current raider agreed with me. Why did they agree? Because what I said was sensible and I didn't need to do current Savage to understand the topic.

You brought nothing to the table but an attempt to gatekeep me specifically. Plenty of people in the thread are not active savage raiders with mounts. So what? It's not needed to discuss the topic.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

And well, I don't think the topic is one you need to currently raid to have an opinion on. Nothing about the topic is unique to the present raid tier whatsoever. The topic overall was leadership and consequences for a leader making a decision, something I'm extremely well versed in. Even if I'm not, it's not a topic you need unique specific encounter experience to evaluate.

You also had no response when a current raider agreed with me. Why did they agree? Because what I said was sensible and I didn't need to do current Savage to understand the topic.

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and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

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And that's a fair point if the topic was discussing whether something specific is a cheat. I don't think every add on is a cheat, maybe some people do. I do agree with you that there are nuances for sure. Though, I'm sure the community as a whole probably can argue all day about which add ons rise to the level of cheating and which ones don't, and probably have lol.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

And that's a fair point if the topic was discussing whether something specific is a cheat. I don't think every add on is a cheat, maybe some people do. I do agree with you that there are nuances for sure. Though, I'm sure the community as a whole probably can argue all day about which add ons rise to the level of cheating and which ones don't, and probably have lol.

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tbf you did get both barrels of my frustrations and for that, I do apologise and yeah the whole 3rd party tools vs cheating discourse with go on till the end of time

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Originally Posted by Mosha

and I do? there are a lot of nuances around these tools and why they are used that someone who doesn't raid often overlooks. a big one I see is people not understanding what Xivalexander is and getting ACT and Cacbot muddled up.

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To clarify for people who don't know what these do:

• XIV Alexander is a tool that allows several different add-ons and modifications. The most common use of it is to reduce input lag, often caused by high ping, allowing you to consistently weave OGCDs without clipping. This is especially good for stuff like MCH, GNB and DRG who are known for double-weaving skills. But it can also allow you to change fonts and even tack on a translation for the game in your language to help with people with language barriers (for example, ever noticed there isn't a Spanish translation despite Spanish being a widely-spoken language? There you have it.)
• ACT is what enables parses. What parses do is see how much numbers you deal in a fight and add them up for you instantly and comprehensively. This information is all in the Battle Chat Log, but no sane person would use excel to calculate an entire chat log. ACT does it automatically and live, through reading information to and from the server directly. That's all it does: just shows you numbers.
• Cactbot on the other hand is a plug-in that is then tacked onto ACT, allowing you to have live call-outs for the fight. Several people do consider this cheating, because it reads fight information and can resolve mechanics for you. Others don't, because the call-outs it gives are 90% obvious, and barring specific mechanics where it DOES bypass the mental challenge altogether, the call-outs still require you to know how to resolve the mechanic and really only remind you that a mechanic is coming. Some people also consider this to be no different than your raid leader doing call-outs on Discord calls, but it does have extra benefits that your raid leader would not be doing, as it's far more personal.

There are other plug-ins, of course. But hey, now you know what they do and won't be saying something daft like how "ACT enables zoomhacks".

Source: Google is free.

Actually I think Yoshi P. should stand to his view on it all and enforce it once and for all, maybe people don't like it, but also we had a time in gaming where stuff like this was none existent.

And uhm... stop refering to calling any of this for E-Sport.... you fight against scripts and pre-set things against the computer, not an actual opponent.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

But hey, now you know what they do and won't be saying something daft like how "ACT enables zoomhacks".

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Literally who said this? I’d like to see this quote

Also while trying to make add ons seem harmless and of no real advantage, you convenient left out the one that shows an overlay of where not to stand for mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

To clarify for people who don't know what these do:

• XIV Alexander is a tool that allows several different add-ons and modifications. The most common use of it is to reduce input lag, often caused by high ping, allowing you to consistently weave OGCDs without clipping. This is especially good for stuff like MCH, GNB and DRG who are known for double-weaving skills. But it can also allow you to change fonts and even tack on a translation for the game in your language to help with people with language barriers (for example, ever noticed there isn't a Spanish translation despite Spanish being a widely-spoken language? There you have it.)
• ACT is what enables parses. What parses do is see how much numbers you deal in a fight and add them up for you instantly and comprehensively. This information is all in the Battle Chat Log, but no sane person would use excel to calculate an entire chat log. ACT does it automatically and live, through reading information to and from the server directly. That's all it does: just shows you numbers.
• Cactbot on the other hand is a plug-in that is then tacked onto ACT, allowing you to have live call-outs for the fight. Several people do consider this cheating, because it reads fight information and can resolve mechanics for you. Others don't, because the call-outs it gives are 90% obvious, and barring specific mechanics where it DOES bypass the mental challenge altogether, the call-outs still require you to know how to resolve the mechanic and really only remind you that a mechanic is coming. Some people also consider this to be no different than your raid leader doing call-outs on Discord calls, but it does have extra benefits that your raid leader would not be doing, as it's far more personal.

There are other plug-ins, of course. But hey, now you know what they do and won't be saying something daft like how "ACT enables zoomhacks".

Source: Google is free.

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Nice post. Hopefully people read this before commenting on that topic.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

tbf you did get both barrels of my frustrations and for that, I do apologise and yeah the whole 3rd party tools vs cheating discourse with go on till the end of time

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I apologize as well. I can sometimes be irritating. I look at some of my old posts and I'm like "wow I was annoying." lol

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I just want male characters to not have ken doll anatomy :c

And butt sliders.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Mosha

yeah, I am gatekeeping, what about it? as I said I'll respect someone's opinion on a topic more if they are active with the subject. there nothing wrong with that.

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"This food tastes like crap." "How dare you, your opinion doesn't matter, you're not a chef!"
"This movie could have been better." "Shut up you're not a movie director!"
"This dress is hideous!" "YOU'RE NOT A DESIGNER!"

Heh.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Literally who said this? I’d like to see this quote

Also while trying to make add ons seem harmless and of no real advantage, you convenient left out the one that shows an overlay of where not to stand for mechanics.

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It's an example, Kolaina, calm down please? There are peope constantly conflating stuff like plug-ins and mods are cheats. They are not. Cheats give you an immediate advantage and often are exploits. Mods can be as simple as aesthetic stuff that have no immediate bearing on gameplay. Unless your definition of cheat happens to also include "You guys can do it, PS players can't", this is what people normally refer to when they complain about the use of cheats. If anything, those are what Square Enix hunts after. Not the small fry add-ons.

...also, if you have such an issue, why don't YOU make a post clarifying this? I didn't "conveniently" leave out anything. If you have issue with it, do so yourself. Clearly I didn't say what you wanted me to say.

Everyone in this thread right now is up in arms because Stormpeaks and you are having a catfight, but the real issue is that neither of you have any chill.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

To clarify for people who don't know what these do:

• XIV Alexander is a tool that allows several different add-ons and modifications. The most common use of it is to reduce input lag, often caused by high ping, allowing you to consistently weave OGCDs without clipping. This is especially good for stuff like MCH, GNB and DRG who are known for double-weaving skills. But it can also allow you to change fonts and even tack on a translation for the game in your language to help with people with language barriers (for example, ever noticed there isn't a Spanish translation despite Spanish being a widely-spoken language? There you have it.)
• ACT is what enables parses. What parses do is see how much numbers you deal in a fight and add them up for you instantly and comprehensively. This information is all in the Battle Chat Log, but no sane person would use excel to calculate an entire chat log. ACT does it automatically and live, through reading information to and from the server directly. That's all it does: just shows you numbers.
• Cactbot on the other hand is a plug-in that is then tacked onto ACT, allowing you to have live call-outs for the fight. Several people do consider this cheating, because it reads fight information and can resolve mechanics for you. Others don't, because the call-outs it gives are 90% obvious, and barring specific mechanics where it DOES bypass the mental challenge altogether, the call-outs still require you to know how to resolve the mechanic and really only remind you that a mechanic is coming. Some people also consider this to be no different than your raid leader doing call-outs on Discord calls, but it does have extra benefits that your raid leader would not be doing, as it's far more personal.

There are other plug-ins, of course. But hey, now you know what they do and won't be saying something daft like how "ACT enables zoomhacks".

Source: Google is free.

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Regardless it is still cheating and strictly prohibited also the use of custom launcher for the game that is not approved by SE.

This is more a yell out or rama scream to that I am not that awesome at playing the game and all that I know will find out if I lose this crutch kind of mentality shown, as for the game only supporting JP, FR, ENG, DE, just mean you need to learn a second language... neither of these languages is my native language, but english is my second and German is my Third...I know a little tad of French as well and I speak one Scandinavian language perfect and understand 2 additional of them.

SE should do something about this and for good that is.

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Originally Posted by Pixieh

"This food tastes like crap." "How dare you, your opinion doesn't matter, you're not a chef!"
"This movie could have been better." "Shut up you're not a movie director!"
"This dress is hideous!" "YOU'RE NOT A DESIGNER!"

Heh.

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https://media.tenor.com/OGWyVrJ2CK0A...mbs-up-nod.gif

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Regardless it is still cheating and strictly prohibited also the use of custom launcher for the game that is not approved by SE.

This is more a yell out or rama scream to that I am not that awesome at playing the game and all that I know will find out if I lose this crutch kind of mentality shown, as for the game only supporting JP, FR, ENG, DE, just mean you need to learn a second language... neither of these languages is my native language, but english is my second and German is my Third...I know a little tad of French as well and I speak one Scandinavian language perfect and understand 2 additional of them.

SE should do something about this and for good that is.

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I think we all know they are prohibited, but can disagree they are across the board harmful just because they are prohibited. A lot of people say things like "who cares if someone puts a hat on their veira" with a mod, which is prohibited.

I personally love parsers, and if they aren't used to kick random players in roulettes, I think they provide great learning tools. They can also be fun, like when I raided friendly competition with other DPS to push those numbers as high as you can.

I'm sure they are prohibited because they can be used to exclude, and this is a very casual-friendly game. But I think they bring a lot of positive things to the table for learning, tailoring which of your teammates may need guidance, or just simply friendly fun.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Regardless it is still cheating and strictly prohibited also the use of custom launcher for the game that is not approved by SE.

This is more a yell out or rama scream to that I am not that awesome at playing the game and all that I know will find out if I lose this crutch kind of mentality shown, as for the game only supporting JP, FR, ENG, DE, just mean you need to learn a second language... neither of these languages is my native language, but english is my second and German is my Third...I know a little tad of French as well and I speak one Scandinavian language perfect and understand 2 additional of them.

SE should do something about this and for good that is.

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I'd just like to clarify that me trying to explain what they do doesn't mean I support their use. SE should be the one implementing these features, not amateurs. Same goes for mods.

Just in case I'm being accused of having an agenda for clarifying shit again.

Also... unrelated, but xD to be fair, DK and NO are pretty similar. Swedish I struggle with the most tho. Regardless, I wouldn't flex on languages if I were you. I speak English, Spanish, Portuguese, some French, Norwegian Bokmål, German and am studying Mandarin Chinese. I still struggle with some linguistic nuances. I myself argue that Spanish at the very least should also be implemented into the game, considering its popularity in the western world, even leagues above German.
And I wouldn't take "just learn English" at face-value. Not every educational system is good, and not every country cares about English to the point of understanding the semi-archaic language and overly formal textbook English the game uses. I've had Russian and Dutch friends who speak pretty decent English online say they still struggle with understanding the game.
Edit: Simple English is a thing for a reason.

btw, what's a Rama scream tho? :x Like, I'm thinking "Rama" from Hinduism, but I doubt that's the case?

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Originally Posted by Pixieh

"This food tastes like crap." "How dare you, your opinion doesn't matter, you're not a chef!"
"This movie could have been better." "Shut up you're not a movie director!"
"This dress is hideous!" "YOU'RE NOT A DESIGNER!"

Heh.

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A valiant attempt, unfortunately you didnt quite nail it. Let me help you out with it:

"This food tastes like crap." "What do you know about taste having only ever eaten plain bread?"
"This movie could have been better." "Shut up, you havent seen a single non-marvel movie ever."
"This dress is hideous." "Brave words by someone who has never bothered with fashion in their life."

Active in a subject doesnt always have to mean being a creator in that subject. It can in some situations though.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

It's an example, Kolaina, calm down please? There are peope constantly conflating stuff like plug-ins and mods are cheats. They are not. Cheats give you an immediate advantage and often are exploits. Mods can be as simple as aesthetic stuff that have no immediate bearing on gameplay. Unless your definition of cheat happens to also include "You guys can do it, PS players can't", this is what people normally refer to when they complain about the use of cheats. If anything, those are what Square Enix hunts after. Not the small fry add-ons.

...also, if you have such an issue, why don't YOU make a post clarifying this? I didn't "conveniently" leave out anything. If you have issue with it, do so yourself. Clearly I didn't say what you wanted me to say.

Everyone in this thread right now is up in arms because Stormpeaks and you are having a catfight, but the real issue is that neither of you have any chill.

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How was what they said not calm? Because they asked for a quote? Y'all really are something. Goes back to what I said earlier, I suppose.

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It's an example, Kolaina, calm down please? There are peope constantly conflating stuff like plug-ins and mods are cheats. They are not. Cheats give you an immediate advantage and often are exploits. Mods can be as simple as aesthetic stuff that have no immediate bearing on gameplay. Unless your definition of cheat happens to also include "You guys can do it, PS players can't", this is what people normally refer to when they complain about the use of cheats. If anything, those are what Square Enix hunts after. Not the small fry add-ons.

...also, if you have such an issue, why don't YOU make a post clarifying this? I didn't "conveniently" leave out anything. If you have issue with it, do so yourself. Clearly I didn't say what you wanted me to say.

Everyone in this thread right now is up in arms because Stormpeaks and you are having a catfight, but the real issue is that neither of you have any chill.

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Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

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He left them out because I didn't mention them.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

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It's not a strawman though. Throughout the countless threads about third party tools people have constantly misrepresented what things do simply because they don't understand them and make no attempt to understand them even when it is explained to them. Sure the line of 'act is zoom hack' is hyperbolic as I have never personally seen that phrase, but it is in line with what a lot of people have said and misinterpreted.

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It's not a strawman though. Throughout the countless threads about third party tools people have constantly misrepresented what things do simply because they don't understand them and make no attempt to understand them even when it is explained to them. Sure the line of 'act is zoom hack' is hyperbolic as I have never personally seen that phrase, but it is in line with what a lot of people have said and misinterpreted.

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I only asked for an example cause I was genuinely curious. Then you wanted to snap back. While I’m against mods, I am also for proper representation of what people are saying. The thing that gets gets under my skin most is when people lie of change what someone else has said, or give misrepresentation and bad info so a conversation can’t properly proceed.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Asked about your claim, for proof, and I need to calm down? Ok. Gaslight me all you want. You’re being manipulative. Strawmanning.

So you can’t twist things

Gaslighting: claiming I’m not calm for asking about your strawman

Strawman: suggesting a person may be confusing act with other mods

Manipulating: both examples provided above plus leaving out example of mods that are clearly cheating in favour of less controversial ones

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

How was what they said not calm? Because they asked for a quote? Y'all really are something. Goes back to what I said earlier, I suppose.

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Ah buttlicking. My favourite.

Yes, I am telling you to calm down. Because I'm not expected to mention every single thing YOU come up with. The claim, the proof? Dude, you've been in this thread for longer than I have. There are other threads on this. I certainly have been replying to people that DO confuse the terms. I didn't expect that to be put into question. Why are you now calling people crap just because they didn't say what you wanted verbatim?

The quote? That's an example, it doesn't mean it actually happens.

You want an actual example? OP's post.
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Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

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It takes 2-3 seconds of scrolling too see multiple people streaming with ACT and various other plugins.

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ACT is not cheating.

I'm not twisting things. But I'm pretty certain YOU are, considering you wanted me to say more than I did and still haven't clarified on it yourself. Now, please, get the heck off my back and stop calling people liars just because they don't march to your tune?

You and Stormpeaks are really one of a kind.

Now, you can argue whether or not it's cheating. Mosha certainly wanted to refer to that. I don't care. If anything I say in this thread is just to be thrown at my face in such a disgusting manner, Kolaina, then I'm not gonna be here to see it. Goodbye.

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I only asked for an example cause I was genuinely curious. Then you wanted to snap back. While I’m against mods, I am also for proper representation of what people are saying. The thing that gets gets under my skin most is when people lie of change what someone else has said, or give misrepresentation and bad info so a conversation can’t properly proceed.

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He was just adding context to the 3 examples I gave, then you went "WhAt AbOuT tHiS RaNdom AdDoN? If was left out because it wasn't brought up.

Addons don't automatically mean you're cheating. It is against the ToS, sure, but I don't think witch hunting people is right either.

Ill be real, i dont really care what other people are doing, cheating or not. Obsessing over what people are doing is weird too.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Why does square enix not just blanket ban them all to enforce the point that 3rd party programs are not allowed.

It takes 2-3 seconds of scrolling too see multiple people streaming with ACT and various other plugins.

The playerbase will not learn unless they enforce the rules.

Set an example.

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ACT itself isn't a "cheat" it doesn't alter your gameplay or give you any tangible advantages over other players.


It's the plugins for ACT that are "cheating" such as Cactbot or Triggernometry which aren't developed or maintained by the developer of ACT.



Kind of things I consider cheats are Speed/Zoom/Teleport hacks, Cactbot, Triggernometry and tools/plugins that draw mechanic hitboxes on your screen

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

ACT is not cheating

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I mean does it give you a advantage- no,is it in violation of TOS -yes, can you be suspended or banned for using it -yes so depends on how you want to define cheating though really. Some see it as gaining a edge over others like the zoom hack incident - did it give them a advantage yes they were 2 days ahead of everyone else. Some people view violating TOS as a for of cheating no matter how small the incident. In the end though if SE wants they can ban you for using it so they created it I can abide by their wishes