4.35 vs 6.35

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Hmm, I wonder why the devs don't bother with this forum...

oh, right

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Sure, that's probably right. But how will you feel in a few months when the game is still in the same place it is now? How much more of this will you take before you start asking questions, like "is my sub worth it?" and "am I still having as much fun as I used to?" What do you get from dismissing his argument when everything he's saying has a pretty good point? FFXIV is ten years old. Do you think 4.0 and 6.0 are even in the same league?

Aveyond might be cancelled, but there will be millions of others who ask the same questions once the content dries up.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Sure, that's probably right. But how will you feel in a few months when the game is still in the same place it is now?

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I know I'll feel fine.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Sure, that's probably right. But how will you feel in a few months when the game is still in the same place it is now? How much more of this will you take before you start asking questions, like "is my sub worth it?" and "am I still having as much fun as I used to?" What do you get from dismissing his argument when everything he's saying has a pretty good point? FFXIV is ten years old. Do you think 4.0 and 6.0 are even in the same league?

Aveyond might be cancelled, but there will be millions of others who ask the same questions once the content dries up.

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It's all filler till 7.0. I'm not expecting New Expansion levels of content every .1 patch. Thinking that's what you'll be getting is insanity.

Besides...it being an MMO...the social aspect is what keeps me going per patch. Not the content. If it wasn't for the social aspect I would unsub till the next full 1.0 increase and be playing other games.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

It's all filler till 7.0. I'm not expecting New Expansion levels of content every .1 patch. Thinking that's what you'll be getting is insanity.

Besides...it being an MMO...the social aspect is what keeps me going per patch. Not the content. If it wasn't for the social aspect I would unsub till the next full 1.0 increase and be playing other games.

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You know, this is such a weirdly forgotten thing that most people dont talk about regarding justifying their subs. I enjoy hanging out and playing with my friends. I dont do it daily mind you but I interact with them often enough where it fills in the gap of the game's content drought. I dont even think about it as such and funny enough the next patch comes up on ya soon enough. So for me its worth it to stay sub for that.

And even if I didnt have them, I still like to interact with other players even if it is minor. If people feel like their sub isnt justified anymore then thats absolutely fine for them, but dont try to shove your reasonings into other people's faces about why this game sucks because it failed to retain you. Thats not entirely the game's fault, thats a personal problem. At least own up to it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It's always been like this. The game has never hidden what it is. It's surprising to me that people expect it to be different each expansion, like we haven't had 10 years of precedent.

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surprising to me that even apparently knowing that more of the same is coming.. the OP resubscribed....

not going to call them insane.... but isnt that the very definition of the term?

if he doesnt have friends to do an intervention.. we should hope his family cares enough to step in and help

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

surprising to me that even apparently knowing that more of the same is coming.. the OP resubscribed....

not going to call them insane.... but isnt that the very definition of the term?

if he doesnt have friends to do an intervention.. we should hope his family cares enough to step in and help

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You wouldn't be the first to call him insane. It was established a while back that he's really quite delusional (or just a very specific troll. I lean towards the former).

If these patch cycles bore people then there's the door. Come back when you want to cram more into each month subscribed. I'm sure some only come back every expansion release, which is how things were before this game came along. People would be done in a month and just come back the next time around.

A lot of us are content to just hang around and do whatever... help whoever passes through.

We might be getting longer patch cycles but I'm not really feeling we're getting more content or better polish to compensate.

These patches have had some serious glitches like BRD/MCH in Crystal Conflict disconnecting if they tried move while casting and snared or the ongoing NIN mudra lag that's been present since 6.3 dropped that really went/are going way too long without being addressed.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

We might be getting longer patch cycles but I'm not really feeling we're getting more content or better polish to compensate.

These patches have had some serious glitches like BRD/MCH in Crystal Conflict disconnecting if they tried move while casting and snared or the ongoing NIN mudra lag that's been present since 6.3 dropped that really went/are going way too long without being addressed.

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Duty Support updates are happening alongside everything. It's not content for everyone, but they're still going through and reworking / polishing all that content. Everyone should know be better equipped to handle all the late game mechanics and markers now that everything is more consistent. As for the glitches, shit happens. They get to it.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remembering the bygone days when we indeed had a patch drop with a Deep Dungeon and an entire Relic Zone at once. Well, the latter came in 4.36 if we want to get technical but even so it was hardly a long wait. (Stormblood even released a relic zone in 4.25, can you imagine?)

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We got a relic in 6.25 and we got Variant and Criterion dungeons, with their own unique UI that had the amount of work put into it that eureka UI did. We also got a eureka-like area called Island Sanctuary in 6.2 with the same sort of new UI that we would get in a eureka-like area.

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Now, even with an extended patch cycle such things are impossible

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No, they are absolutely not impossible. They just decided to do something else instead of Eureka and Bozja, such as Criterion, Island Sanctuary and a deep dungeon (the thing we didn't get in Shadowbringers). It's called diverting resources.

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and what we know is coming so far just feels so uninspired. But sure let’s rerelease more Allag/Crystal Tower stuff as if the game wasn’t full to the brim with it.

And, unlike the previous Relic Questlines and associated zones, nobody is doing Criterion.

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This is another issue entirely. Just because they are themes we have already seen or that aren't being done a lot, doesn't mean they didn't put in the amount of resources they put into Eureka.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

We might be getting longer patch cycles but I'm not really feeling we're getting more content or better polish to compensate.

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It was never about getting more content. It was about allowing them to take the breaks they require to avoid burnout. Yoshi-P has always made sure that his team takes breaks or shifted them around to try different things and after 10 years he feels those breaks need to be slightly longer to avoid burnout. Burnout and having a mountain of personal issues they didn't address at home wouldn't be good for the game, so those breaks help keep them relaxed and able to focus.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Sure, that's probably right. But how will you feel in a few months when the game is still in the same place it is now? How much more of this will you take before you start asking questions, like "is my sub worth it?" and "am I still having as much fun as I used to?" What do you get from dismissing his argument when everything he's saying has a pretty good point? FFXIV is ten years old. Do you think 4.0 and 6.0 are even in the same league?

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In the almost ten years I've been subbed, I haven't felt the need to unsub at all. Since you asked, I tried to think what would make me unsub, and it would be rather difficult. Maybe if they did the Sunsetting thing that Destiny 2 did and they made ARR/HW inaccessible for some reason? That may push me over the edge, or maybe... if they removed SCH? But I mean actually remove, not just rework or whatever. I'm honestly trying to think of something that would make me wanna quit my sub. I have issues, but not to make me quit.

I'll say: The thing I miss the most is the extra dungeons, but as they were... they wouldn't be very interesting to me anymore. Hard mode should make a return as the middle point between regular content and EX content. That would be a lot of fun. Two per patch? I'd love that. If it gets to a point where they give us one regular dungeon and one variant dungeon per patch, that would also be pretty cool. You may see me throw this around, since you made me think about it, but here's the thing: I don't know how resources are spread within Creative Business Unit III. Unlike some people, I'm not gonna pretend I know if Would-Be-Bozja II resources were used on Island Sanctuary because I have no way to prove that. I don't know what the team's pipeline looks like or how much the pandemic plus the development of XVI affected them. I suspect XIV's development will become smoother once XVI is done, but that's just speculation on my part because I just don't know. So I'm not gonna start demanding things like I have the slightest clue of how and what they're doing.

Funny story... last year I started posting around a bit about how Legacy Movement should have an option to disable the automatic camera, and they just implemented that in 6.3
Maybe I'm just too much of a patient person, but I believe they listen, and they try to make the best they can with what they have.

Obviously some players will be more frustrated than others, but the difference between someone like you and Aveyond, is that you didn't make a post stating how offensive it was for the Valentoine event to have a wood joke, and then expect to be taken seriously afterward. So pardon me if I've become a bit dismissive of the man after that.

I don't think all complaints are unjustified, and as far as the big issues are concerned, I think there's a conversation to be had about healer simplicity, but you know that's not what Aveyond is doing.

I'm still glad they didn't do another exploration zone. Those need some work before being reintroduced. It's also nice just to switch things up.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I'm still glad they didn't do another exploration zone. Those need some work before being reintroduced. It's also nice just to switch things up.

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Yeah. I want them back, but I don't just want a glorified FATE hunt. There needs to be more to do, and there are interesting things you can do with the concept. After all, it's called an Exploration Zone. Add exploration mechanics and aspects to it. Reward players for actually giving a damn.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Yeah. I want them back, but I don't just want a glorified FATE hunt. There needs to be more to do, and there are interesting things you can do with the concept. After all, it's called an Exploration Zone. Add exploration mechanics and aspects to it. Reward players for actually giving a damn.

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The issue is that when it wasn't a glorified FATE hunt (Eureka), people complained about it not being that and that they had to wait for NMs and suffer RNG doing various types of treasure hunts, so Bozja became a FATE farm and the result was it being braindead except for CEs. SE has had to choose between those with only 2 hours to play, who can't wait around for NMs to spawn, and those with lots of time to play who don't care that they take ages to be spawned.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

He feels threatened there are other people making more threads than him...so now he is panic posting.

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Had to swallow extremely hot coffee 'cause I didn't wanna clean the aftermath of spitting it everywhere. Thanks for the chuckle, Renalt.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The issue is that when it wasn't a glorified FATE hunt (Eureka), people complained about it not being that and that they had to wait for NMs and suffer RNG doing various types of treasure hunts, so Bozja became a FATE farm and the result was it being braindead except for CEs. SE has had to choose between those with only 2 hours to play, who can't wait around for NMs to spawn, and those with lots of time to play who don't care that they take ages to be spawned.

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Bozja was also the way it was because they were compensating for the lack of DD and the xp / goodies it provided.

Looking past 7.0 and the 100 cap, I think this type of zone concept could be expanded on and provide a different way to level without simply going to 110.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Have you ever thought about making one "I didn't get what I want so the game sucks" megathread instead of spamming the forums?

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Have you thought about making SE White Knights only megathread?

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Have you thought about making SE White Knights only megathread?

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Why would I make a thread that I'd never post in?

EW has been the worst expansion by far in terms of content.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

EW has been the worst expansion by far in terms of content.

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I remember back when people were up in arms over content droughts in 3.0. Diadem. 6months between 3.0 and 3.1




Then stormblood. Eureka. Etc. We have very short memories lol.

I'm genuinely convinced that if Aveyond came out and said he loved puppies, then a good chunk of the forums would start kicking puppies just to disagree with him.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm genuinely convinced that if Aveyond came out and said he loved puppies, then a good chunk of the forums would start kicking puppies just to disagree with him.

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Skiros is a known troll who has better takes and more valid points than aveyond. Please.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I remember back when people were up in arms over content droughts in 3.0. Diadem. 6months between 3.0 and 3.1




Then stormblood. Eureka. Etc. We have very short memories lol.

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Naw my memory is better than I wish it was. In Stormblood we had:

-eureka
-heaven on high.
-Introduction of ultimates, and it added TWO to boot.
-blue mage
-swimming but uh lets not talk about that one

thats just off the top of my head. EW has...criterion dungeons and animal crossing sim. One of which was pretty much DOA.
I don't mind waiting long stretches for patches but it has to be worth it. Lets not talk about diadem in HW.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Naw my memory is better than I wish it was. In Stormblood we had:

-eureka
-heaven on high.
-Introduction of ultimates, and it added TWO to boot.
-blue mage
-swimming but uh lets not talk about that one

thats just off the top of my head. EW has...criterion dungeons and animal crossing sim. Not promising.

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OK, but we can't get super ultimate. Heaven on high wasn't a new feature. Just potd with less floors and summon magicite.


Criterion is 4 man savage, which people were asking for. It just needs tweaks, like eureka did. Anemos was terrible and pagos was worse.

Also, isn't blue mage hated on for being limited?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm genuinely convinced that if Aveyond came out and said he loved puppies, then a good chunk of the forums would start kicking puppies just to disagree with him.

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Oh be real for once. You know darn well what he does and why people are against him half the time. If you're going to spout hyperboles like this, then you have enough mental capacity to understand why people have either lost their patience with him. People can and have agreed with him before. But the moment they disagree with him, he turns hostile and uses stretched out logic just to shut them down. That's no way to have a dialogue.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

OK, but we can't get super ultimate. Heaven on high wasn't a new feature. Just potd with less floors and summon magicite.

Criterion is 4 man savage, which people were asking for. It just needs tweaks, like eureka did. Anemos was terrible and pagos was worse.

Also, isn't blue mage hated on for being limited?

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I thought Criterion's issue were the rewards?
And yes, BLU is often hated on for being a Limited Job rather than a proper one.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You know darn well what he does and why people are against him half the time.

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Because he's an easy target to bully?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

But the moment they disagree with him, he turns hostile and uses stretched out logic just to shut them down.

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This trait is commonplace on the forums and one you share as well.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

That's no way to have a dialogue.

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Weren't you not interested in being reasonable? I seem to remember you admitting to that. Did you have a change of heart in the past couple weeks?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

OK, but we can't get super ultimate. Heaven on high wasn't a new feature. Just potd with less floors and summon magicite.


Criterion is 4 man savage, which people were asking for. It just needs tweaks, like eureka did. Anemos was terrible and pagos was worse.

Also, isn't blue mage hated on for being limited?

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It's okay if it's not new it just has to be THERE. Why is such a loved feature like PoTd/HoH getting derailed for so long. At least in shadowbringers there was Bozja, there's no equivalent in EW.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Oh be real for once. You know darn well what he does and why people are against him half the time. If you're going to spout hyperboles like this, then you have enough mental capacity to understand why people have either lost their patience with him. People can and have agreed with him before. But the moment they disagree with him, he turns hostile and uses stretched out logic just to shut them down. That's no way to have a dialogue.



I thought Criterion's issue were the rewards?
And yes, BLU is often hated on for being a Limited Job rather than a proper one.

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That's what I meant by tweaking. The foundation is solid.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

It's okay if it's not new it just has to be THERE. Why is such a loved feature like PoTd/HoH getting derailed for so long. At least in shadowbringers there was Bozja, there's no equivalent in EW.

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6.35...




Just like potd and HoH. We've never had deep dungeons early in an expansion.


Also, we've had 2 ultimates this expansion.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm genuinely convinced that if Aveyond came out and said he loved puppies, then a good chunk of the forums would start kicking puppies just to disagree with him.

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Don't have to worry about that. He would instead complain how the puppies born 3 years ago were so much better than the puppies born now. And we can only imagine if someone told a joke about puppies and wood.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Don't have to worry about that. He would instead complain how the puppies born 3 years ago were so much better than the puppies born now. And we can only imagine if someone told a joke about puppies and wood.

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Especially if it was a joke about the puppies eating something that was held in a thing made from wood.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

This trait is commonplace on the forums and one you share as well.

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No. When people disagree with me, I often say I don't see it that way and that I disagree. If people insist and especially resort to bull logic, then yes, that's when I treat them that way for being brainless. Example: "I already told you that the development team did something this way for XYZ reasons, why are you still insisting they do otherwise? Those reasons are there, take 'em. Don't want to take them? Then you're obtuse." Simple as.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Weren't you not interested in being reasonable? I seem to remember you admitting to that. Did you have a change of heart in the past couple weeks?

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Yes, I did. It's called "growing up". I just ended up realizing "Honestly, not worth it". Can't I mellow out and change my mind?

Plus, I'm fairly certain you're taking that out of context anyway, I likely said that over a specific topic, not overall.

Besides, why are you preaching over being reasonable when you yourself unreasonably called people who disagreed with Aveyond-Dreams potential puppy-kickers?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

No. When people disagree with me, I often say I don't see it that way and that I disagree. If people insist and especially resort to bull logic, then yes, that's when I treat them that way for being brainless. Example: "I already told you that the development team did something this way for XYZ reasons, why are you still insisting they do otherwise? Those reasons are there, take 'em. Don't want to take them? Then you're obtuse." Simple as.



Yes, I did. It's called "growing up". I just ended up realizing "Honestly, not worth it". Can't I mellow out and change my mind?

Plus, I'm fairly certain you're taking that out of context anyway, I likely said that over a specific topic, not overall.

Besides, why are you preaching over being reasonable when you yourself unreasonably called people who disagreed with Aveyond-Dreams potential puppy-kickers?

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Don't bother with her buddy.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Its kinda of a given when the sig theyre using is an attack on forum posters btw.

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No, they just edited it. Now it's a clearly modded screenshot. How bold of them.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Besides, why are you preaching over being reasonable when you yourself unreasonably called people who disagreed with Aveyond-Dreams potential puppy-kickers?

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Genuine question. Do you possess the ability to read? I'm struggling to see how you could have reached this conclusion had you actually read a word I said.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No, they just edited it. Now it's a clearly modded screenshot. How bold of them.

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There's this lovely tool on the internet called Google Images. It can provide you with lots of cool pictures to use as you please.

This expansion has been a swing and a miss with every new feature and redesign of old ones.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Genuine question. Do you possess the ability to read? I'm struggling to see how you could have reached this conclusion had you actually read a word I said.



There's this lovely tool on the internet called Google Images. It can provide you with lots of cool pictures to use as you please.

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I never claimed who modded it. All I said was its a clearly modded image.


I'd be careful posting that though, since it, you know, has SEs copyright on it and isn't actually in the game. That's why they went after all those Twitter users after all.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

What i hate teh most is that all the grindy stuff that would kill time perfectly comes so late, its almost poinltess... like im on 15/18 ilv 625 weapons... why i again should i bother the most likely 625 relic, even if it has max stats, if its just for literally 3-4 weeks at most...

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This is honestly my issue.

I don't do Ultimates and barely do Savages. So when a big new patch releases...there's very little there sometimes. Sometimes there's more than others, but a lot of times it's just "I guess you can do the story then...grind the Extreme over and over, I guess?"

Then, they release all the grindy stuff later.

To me, you should release the grindy stuff first, then the "one time" (or few times) content. This way, people have the grindy stuff to fall back on when they get bored or run out of content to do. By doing the one-time/few-time clear stuff first, sure, people run headlong into it, but after a few weeks, they're done with it and...then what? They wait over a month before the grindy stuff comes out (like Relics, Deep Dungeon, or Expedition zones). But if the latter were released first, people could grind on it, about the time they start getting bored (since it's a longer time horizon kind of content), you drop the raid tiers and Ultimates and stuff, people plow into that for a few weeks, then when they finish, the grindy content is there on pause for them to roll right back into.

And for the people that don't do the raid game, they have the grindy stuff to work on the entire time (for many people, Relic farming and the like IS their end-game), as opposed to the present cadence, where those people do the new story stuff, some do Extremes for a week or two, then they have nothing to do for months. Or worse, the people that don't even do Extremes, as they have literally no new content to do for months. While the game does have an expansive backlog/catalogue of stuff to do, people do like new stuff.

I dunno, I just feel they should reverse the order. When 6.3 hit, they probably already have all the Deep Dungeon stuff ready to go. Holding it for 6.35 is entirely a decision, not a mechanical requirement. And even if it WAS, they could simply bump that content in priority over Ultimates so it'd be done first then drop the Ultimate in 6.35 instead. Savage patches it's a little more of a fight (though casual players have 8 man normals to run there, at least, which have at least slightly more replay value to most people than 24 mans), the non-Savage patches should honestly reverse the order they release stuff. We could have Deep Dungeon to play for 4 months and 2 months in get the 24 man. Instead we got the 24 man first and run it for ~1 hour one day a week and then...twiddle our thumbs for two months...

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Note that this is LESS of an issue if you have something big like an Expedition zone from a previous patch. For example, in 4.25, we got Anemos, so Pagos not being until 4.35 wasn't AS big a problem as people still had Anemos to work on. Likewise, when we got Southern Front in Bozja, we had something to grind on, at least until we maxed out everything there we wanted. But there was stuff to do.

In 6.35, we don't have a 6.25 big grindy content thing to do unless you could Island Sanctuary...which I don't since it has no connection to anything outside of itself (by design) and isn't some fun grand adventure like Eureka was that led to something. I honestly wish they'd never added it because of how much we've lost out because of it existing. I'm happy it's there for the people that like...Animal Crossing, I guess?...but it's robbed us of all the stuff I normally find myself doing.

I'm bullish on FFXIV and constantly white knighting this game, but even I do feel things are a little slow compared to normal expansions. There are a lot of factors that go into that, but not having an Exploration zone at this point in the expansion's patch cycle is something I'm really feeling...

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Genuine question. Do you possess the ability to read? I'm struggling to see how you could have reached this conclusion had you actually read a word I said.



There's this lovely tool on the internet called Google Images. It can provide you with lots of cool pictures to use as you please.

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Oh you actually changed it. What happened to the Forum White Knights sig you had before, did you finally get in trouble or something?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Oh you actually changed it. What happened to the Forum White Knights sig you had before, did you finally get in trouble or something?

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No, I just had it for a while and decided I wanted something else. Same thing I did with the mahjority one.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

grindy stuff first

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They'll never do this with the story being such a focus. (They'd have to change up the posters to highlight what you get to grind next :p ) Maybe it would be better for you to just wait for .x5 to drop and come back and have all the things to do.