Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I never said they weren't? Just that most of them aren't ruining the game. A dress mod impacts literally nothing about your own gameplay experience yet you lumped it together with zoom hacking.

Are they against the ToS? Yes. I never said otherwise. FFlogs and ACT always have been and the dev team has done nothing about them except to say don't mention them publicly. That policy isn't going to change today, tomorrow or when 7.0 drops.

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Ever since there's been ways to share cosmetic mods it kind of has, but that's a completely different topic and not really relevant to this one.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

So it's fair the PC users can use add-ons and PlayStation users can't?

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Bluntly honest because you need the reality dose: as hard as the team works to make things as fair between pc and PlayStation from a vanilla standpoint, pc will always have the advantage due to the potential of addons.

So yes, pc has the advantage. No, life isn’t fair, that’s the reality of it.

Well, in the same post, he also acknowleges the part of the community that is tackling the content without using such egregious tools. "[...] please know that the Development and Operations teams take notice of all your passion", he said. So I don't believe we have anything to worry about when it comes to the future of Ultimates.

Which is not to say there won't be consequences. People should know better at this point. I think we can all agree that Square Enix doesn't handle this subject in the best way possible, but their stance is very clear.

They already confessed stop talking about it. I hope they stop acknowlegde World First anymore. It isn't good for this kind of drama. They should not announcement anything like this in the future. They feed community too much about world first. I don't think this kind of official announcement gonna make this game better.

People become greedy and want senpai to notice them but yeah this is second time now. Second time from staffs to not stop 3rd party. In DRS, it was totally bad. I still remember RDM clip on youtube and he used every mods in this game to win DRS. This time is same but problems aren't only people who uses 3rd party. It is from lack of anti cheat system. They don't do anything about game launcher and system. It's literally their faults too. Lack of protecting.

Like unwanted child gonna birth because you forget to put condom. Same as unwanted 3rd party gonna birth because you don't put protection.

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Yoshis has just took his stance on ALL add-ons, he wants you to experience his game as published. He's said he reads stuff for feedback, so.. :)

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His stance has never changed. He's always been against third party tools yet has allowed them to exist within a grey area. They are still prohibited and can lead to temporary or perma-bans if mentioned in game. That has and always been the rule. Nothing has changed.

That doesn't mean plugins or ACT are going anywhere nor does it mean Square Enix will implement some sort of DRM to detect them. Therefore, they have no way of knowing whether you have any installed unless you make it blatantly obvious. Everything will continue exactly as it did before.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Ever since there's been ways to share cosmetic mods it kind of has, but that's a completely different topic and not really relevant to this one.

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Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah. At this point, SE should probably adapt and evolve instead of guilt tripping the player base every time mods and add-ons are brought up. Adding some requested features would benefit everyone. Many add-ons exist because the player base feels that various aspects of the game are lacking and could be improved. WoW officially has addons and yet mythic raiding world first races are viewed as an exciting event. Maybe not to me, but I get the appeal. At the end of the day, it comes down to game design. Improve the design and lessen the need for mods and add-ons, or just make add-ons official, and the problem solves itself.

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Too bad that direction went so far to the extreme with having the dev team RELY on plugins to even program and create those raids when that shit should be completeable out of the box in the game. Why design something that requires you to download something outside of itself in order to do it? Its complete and total bs and the dev team over there does nothing about it, nor cares to implement those plugins into their base game.

This is why addon usage in an MMO space is either take it or leave it, it cant have a middle-ground. Its honestly sad how desperate Yoshida wants to find this middle-ground where you honestly just cant ever feasibly do. It why we have such drama like this EVERY. DAMN. SINGLE. RAID.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

His stance has never changed. He's always been against third party tools yet has allowed them to exist within a grey area. They are still prohibited and can lead to temporary or perma-bans if mentioned in game. That has and always been the rule. Nothing has changed.

That doesn't mean plugins or ACT are going anywhere nor does it mean Square Enix will implement some sort of DRM to detect them. Therefore, they have no way of knowing whether you have any installed unless you make it blatantly obvious. Everything will continue exactly as it did before.



Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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It does. It's a complicated topic, and even if I hash everything out you likely won't acknowledge it but... the easiest way to sum it up is that it's an issue with inclusivity and the general community.

It doesn't affect your gameplay overall, especially not in the sense of any combat but it does impact the gameplay.

But again, it's not really relevant to the topic of world firsts.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Oh man they're looking for even more excuses to not add content lmao

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not really, just means they'll focus more attention into other parts of the game rather than the 1% few who do Ultimates whom all just cheat anyway.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Mare doesn't affect your gameplay though. Sure, you may want those mods but nothing about your gameplay changes whether you can see someone else wearing a modded outfit or not.

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Interestingly, access to clothing mods can affect gameplay. With the right mods, certain mobs become invisible or untargetable. Or they become bigger. Being able to differentiate different adds in raids could be really useful.

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Originally Posted by BaroLlyonesse

Interestingly, access to clothing mods can affect gameplay. With the right mods, certain mobs become invisible or untargetable. Or they become bigger. Being able to differentiate different adds in raids could be really useful.

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That's upto the developers to do that, not mods.

Tbh, with what Yoshi said, I'd be abit annoyed too. All your doing is abusing his developers art!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You do realize ACT and FFlogs have been existed and been known to Yoshida since their inception over eight years ago? Guess what they did about them? Precisely nothing because they literally can't without scanning your PC.

All of those add-ons I mentioned have hundreds of thousands of downloads nowadays. The sheer amount of money Square Enix will lose in a hypothetical scenario where they did manage to break them would be enormous. People will unsubscribe if mods, ACT and the like go away.

Yoshida has said no such thing about a revamp in 7.0. They're simply doing a graphical overhaul which they've already shown off. Nothing will change regarding add-ons and third party tools. They'll remain exactly as they have for years now: keep them to yourself. If your "adjustment with timers" is in reference to buff timers. That was added right after it became public with Dragonsong. Like I said, it isn't a good look for the dev team when a featured requested for years gets implemented only after a third party program does it and the users make it public.

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I'm not saying I disagree but it's a bit wild to me that Y to the P just said [no add-ons] and [don't put words in my mouth] and yet immediately after people do just that. You can't make this shit up. lol /grab popcorn

Initially I did, but after some though I believe it was more of an exasperated "what's the point of these fights for you?" kinda statement.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

not really, just means they'll focus more attention into other parts of the game rather than the 1% few who do Ultimates whom all just cheat anyway.

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Didn't realize I was cheating when I cleared TEA.

(I'm assuming you don't literally mean ALL people who clear ults, but your wording, man. And I'm sure it's more than 1% lol, still small but not THAT small).

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Topic is "Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore" based on something Yoshida said. In the same post he made about disliking people putting words in his mouth. People just never get it do they

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I'm gonna be that guy and argue semantics...

">>DID<< SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore"

Had it been "SE DID threaten to not make ultimates anymore" there would be no argument, but that's not the case.

They're legit asking a question. Is it click bait-ey, oh hell yeah, but they did not come here making claims of what was said, it was a question. And considering seeing some peoples reactions in youtube comments, a fair question, as there are people making that claim.

Did they delete the thread about the JP players cheating?

Lmao, they sure never deleted any threads when iit was people from the West.

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Originally Posted by Rockette

Did they delete the thread about the JP players cheating?

Lmao, they sure never deleted any threads when iit was people from the West.

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I think what surprises me the most is when any moderation happens at all, good or bad.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

every single ultimate has been cleared with 3rd party addons in the WF kill (if we include the now redacted TOP kill)

you just wernt aware of it acutely until now

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Oh, it doesn't matter if I'm aware of it, I'm not really involved in any of this. However, what you're telling me is that Yoshi is even more justified in being frustrated if every Ultimate has had this issue.

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Originally Posted by Rockette

Did they delete the thread about the JP players cheating?

Lmao, they sure never deleted any threads when iit was people from the West.

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Took them 2 days to delete it while the JP side took mere minutes.

I don't think the NA side of the forum is moderated very well.

It was gonna blow up regardless after Yoshi P's statement.

Last great topic purge was the Endwalker media tour leak.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Took them 2 days to delete it while the JP side took mere minutes.

I don't think the NA side of the forum is moderated very well.

It was gonna blow up regardless after Yoshi P's statement.

Last great topic purge was the Endwalker media tour leak.

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the NA forum is not moderated at all

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

the NA forum is not moderated at all

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Oh believe me I know. Only mod interaction you see is "Hi so excited to work with you" and then they disappear.

In the years I've been a member I've only seen NA moderation twice. It's a free for all here.

Considering yoship's post a threat to no longer make ultis is the least charitable interpretation possible. I hope it doesnt turn out to be the correct one.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Considering yoship's post a threat to no longer make ultis is the least charitable interpretation possible. I hope it doesnt turn out to be the correct one.

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Hey if Yoshida wants to start killing the game, that's his business

Personally, I read it as Yoshi's way of saying "what achievement is there in an achievement you didn't really earn?" In my opinion, people that use addons to cheat in this manner have forgotten about Journey Before Destination.

I think anyone that has raided will understand this concept.

What has more value to a player:

• Countless hours spent beating your head against the wall, dying to mechanics over and over again while laughing with strangers and friends and that feeling of triumph and euphoria when you get your first clear of a particular boss?
• Running a raid later on, unsync'd - done in minutes?

Which mount or title do you value more? Which experience will you fondly (or not so fondly) share with your friends? Likely not the one you cheesed (whether that be running it unsync or cheating).

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Hey if Yoshida wants to start killing the game, that's his business

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Removing content that like 3% of people clear and using those resources for content that everyone does would do the opposite of kill the game.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Removing content that like 3% of people clear and using those resources for content that everyone does would do the opposite of kill the game.

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Remind me, what gear do you go into Ultimates with?

Tbh I strongly doubt they will actually remove the content or stop doing Ultimates. But I can see them potentially cutting back on spending so much time and effort on the Ultimate and, potentially, even Savage content due to all the cheating fiascos. If players dont want to put effort in beating hard content, why should devs put in effort in making it? If next expansion only gets one Ultimate again - this fiasco will be most probable answer as to why.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Removing content that like 3% of people clear and using those resources for content that everyone does would do the opposite of kill the game.

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people are still parroting this 1%/3% garbage?

even if you ignore the fact there's way more than 3% clearing Ultimates, you're just completely disregarding groups that are actively progging the fights. engagement in Ultimate fights is way higher than you think.

removing Ultimate also has an effect on savage clears too. most people go for BiS for these Ultimates. the only content where BiS actually matters. you know what happens when there's no Ultimate? ppl unsub after week 1 or 2.

ppl would've done just that back in 5.4 if the devs didn't wait 9 weeks to tell them that ShB wouldn't have a 2nd Ultimate, and then dropped an Endwalker teaser to drown out any negativity.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Tbh I strongly doubt they will actually remove the content or stop doing Ultimates. But I can see them potentially cutting back on spending so much time and effort on the Ultimate and, potentially, even Savage content due to all the cheating fiascos. If players dont want to put effort in beating hard content, why should devs put in effort in making it? If next expansion only gets one Ultimate again - this fiasco will be most probable answer as to why.

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I think there's a strong possibility they could move in the direction of not making ultimate anymore. It may start with just making fewer per expansion. Anyone that's spent any significant amount of time on a creative project can surely relate. It's very disheartening when people mess around like this with something you've made. People beg for harder content. They deliver and people still cheat. We received a warning back during the DSR race that they didn't want to see anyone cheat.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Tbh I strongly doubt they will actually remove the content or stop doing Ultimates. But I can see them potentially cutting back on spending so much time and effort on the Ultimate and, potentially, even Savage content due to all the cheating fiascos. If players dont want to put effort in beating hard content, why should devs put in effort in making it? If next expansion only gets one Ultimate again - this fiasco will be most probable answer as to why.

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Effort was put in though to beat TOP, Unnamed learn the mechs, they came up with strats, and they beat all the checks. This is irrefutable

They should just get rid of ultimate's and put the funding to normal duties and fix the head gear, hair styles to Viera and Hrothgar.

My takeaway is that they are going to continue to do ultimates but have are looking into having an actual role in the world first race. I think his meaning was that he doesn't understand why you would take away from the experience of learning how to do the fight as intended instead of trying to cheat your way to first place.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Tbh I strongly doubt they will actually remove the content or stop doing Ultimates. But I can see them potentially cutting back on spending so much time and effort on the Ultimate and, potentially, even Savage content due to all the cheating fiascos. If players dont want to put effort in beating hard content, why should devs put in effort in making it? If next expansion only gets one Ultimate again - this fiasco will be most probable answer as to why.

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Do people claiming stuff like this think these cheat mods play the game for the players? The players still have to do the mechanics themselves, the cheats just make it easier. Human error will still cause issues even with the mods.

And before we have a return to last night's dumpster fire of a discussion, no I'm not defending cheating nor am I downplaying cheat mods, I just keep seeing this idea of "cheat mods = no effort required" passed around and it doesn't help matters at all.

Their achievements / titles / omega weapons were removed from their accounts.

Square Enix completely erased any sign they ever killed that boss.

End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Their achievements / titles / omega weapons were removed from their accounts.

Square Enix completely erased any sign they ever killed that boss.

End of discussion.

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Hope they rootkit and remove the add-ons too. Fingers crossed!

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Hope they rootkit and remove the add-ons too. Fingers crossed!

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If they do, I hope they announce it beforehand so I can uninstall.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

If they do, I hope they announce it beforehand so I can uninstall.

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Bet you would be back each patch for the story. :)

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Originally Posted by DivineP

Bet you would be back each patch for the story. :)

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I already skipped the majority of the 6.3 cutscenes so I have doubts.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I already skipped the majority of the 6.3 cutscenes so I have doubts.

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And your playing a story based game... Because?

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Originally Posted by DivineP

And your playing a story based game... Because?

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Do you pay his sub?

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Do you pay his sub?

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No but it was a valid question?