Alliance Raid Looting

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Originally Posted by brokenghost

im aware of party finder, as i said, i will concede to never trying to make one and have never ran an alliance raid unsynced so im unsure how the different mechanics would be handles with less that 24 people. but it isnt just an issue for mhach, its an issue for ALL alliance raids past CT. when i want to farm the dark apocalypse items i could make a PF but we'd need a lot more than 7 others id assume. its a problem writ large and pretending like its not doesnt help. many more people use DF than PF. would appreciate a not snarky comment if you disagree with me.

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Let me say this, as someone whom doesnt have a lot of free time even. Ive farmed for glams in the Ivalice raids, the IVALICE....RAIDS... and had to contend to the queue times. It wasnt impossible for me to get what I want, especially when you ask people to nicely pass off certain pieces that you're looking for. I didnt use PF for it, I just queued normally and realistically I set an Ivalice raid run one per day. It got me what I wanted. And this is just one of many fabled glam runs in dungeons (my most recent one is farming Troia). So my point still stands, you can either do what I did and queue normally once per day, or make a PF to run these raids unsynced. This is not an issue, it also kinds helps skewing the rng in favor of those raids rather than CT for people too.

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Originally Posted by brokenghost

Who do I gotta blow to get those queue times? My Ivalice queues were each 40 min or more, and I was on tank lol
And I appreciate your words : )

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I mean, it really just boils down to having realistic expectations of when other people are playing.

If you want faster times, just queue when your server is active. Basically that servers “after dinner before bed” time slot and NOT like, a Tuesday afternoon while most people are at work/school or 4 am Wednesday.

You will also have more luck closer to when the daily reset is, or the weekly wondrous tales/challenge log reset.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I mean, it really just boils down to having realistic expectations of when other people are playing.

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Or, you can also say it boils down to the true end game (glam) requires some effort. It's just a difference kind of effort.

Glam farm is still a battle when the content is relevant. Sure, the queue may be faster, but you also have to deal with weekly lock out, more competition, and the fight generally take longer. And in case of Ivalice, it was a LOT longer, there is a reason a lot of people depart Ivalice and never want to look back (me included), that place hold ... bad memories.


So if you luck suck, you can theoretically spend the same amount of real time getting something you want from it, be it now or back then.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Or, you can also say it boils down to the true end game (glam) requires some effort. It's just a difference kind of effort.

Glam farm is still a battle when the content is relevant. Sure, the queue may be faster, but you also have to deal with weekly lock out, more competition, and the fight generally take longer. And in case of Ivalice, it was a LOT longer, there is a reason a lot of people depart Ivalice and never want to look back (me included), that place hold ... bad memories.


So if you luck suck, you can theoretically spend the same amount of real time getting something you want from it, be it now or back then.

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While true, you do also have options.

My point was to remove as many variables as possible.
Long queues? Try to run at peak hours.
Competitive for drops? Low man it unsync’d with friends. Need not even finish the full raid.

You can remove many variables and leave it to straight RNG.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

While true, you do also have options.

My point was to remove as many variables as possible.
Long queues? Try to run at peak hours.
Competitive for drops? Low man it unsync’d with friends. Need not even finish the full raid.

You can remove many variables and leave it to straight RNG.

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Ditto on that last point. If you actually look up which bosses and or chests drop the items you need, you dont even need to do the whole thing. Even then if it happens that the 1st and last boss drops it, its faster to do retry from there till you get it to drop at the 1st boss ( speaking from experience when I ran Troia for a Maiming body piece)

I love how all this forum is are people submitting occasionally useful ideas (a token pity system for araid drops) and then the dev team doesn't even read them and 80% of the replies are fanboys pretending the op's grievance isn't really an issue because some awful alternative option exists that doesn't address the main issue (that raid? run it 12 times with 3 people instead of 24! disregard the fact that the rng issue is still a factor, problemo solved! need a house? move to materia! plenty of homes there. problem solved. feel like your job's dumbed down? just play another game! problem solved!), or some armchair SE-exec will step in to write you a five paragraph essay about why it's "just not possible" to implement something every other game has done 10 years ago, even though he literally knows as much about the inner workings of this game as anyone else posting here, until eventually the thread gets derailed and becomes about something else entirely.

Honestly a simple one way suggestion box would be more useful at this point. This place blows.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

pretending the op's grievance isn't really an issue because some awful alternative option exists that doesn't address the main issue (that raid? run it 12 times with 3 people instead of 24! disregard the fact that the rng issue is still a factor, problemo solved!

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The suggestion to run it lots of times with 3 people is not disregarding that it's a problem, nor it is saying that there shouldn't be some sort of token system. It's just suggesting a practical solution that increases the chance of looting something by reducing the competition, while also increasing the speed if you can kill the enemies fast enough yet.

If they were only suggesting a token system, that would be fair enough. But the OP also said "24 is a lot more than 8 and I struggle finding 8 people a lot of the time", suggesting they didn't know it could be unsynced with 3 people and that's why those answers came up.

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Honestly a simple one way suggestion box would be more useful at this point. This place blows.

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I think SE wants ideas to be scrutinized on the forums. What is an idea if SE can't see how that idea would be received by people?

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I love how all this forum is are people submitting occasionally useful ideas (a token pity system for araid drops) and then the dev team doesn't even read them and 80% of the replies are fanboys pretending the op's grievance isn't really an issue because some awful alternative option exists that doesn't address the main issue (that raid? run it 12 times with 3 people instead of 24! disregard the fact that the rng issue is still a factor, problemo solved! need a house? move to materia! plenty of homes there. problem solved. feel like your job's dumbed down? just play another game! problem solved!), or some armchair SE-exec will step in to write you a five paragraph essay about why it's "just not possible" to implement something every other game has done 10 years ago, even though he literally knows as much about the inner workings of this game as anyone else posting here, until eventually the thread gets derailed and becomes about something else entirely.

Honestly a simple one way suggestion box would be more useful at this point. This place blows.

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Considering most pity systems require like 50 to 100 runs before a guaranteed exchange (See EX mounts; Rathalos), I'm just not sure there are THAT many people running a specific raid that many times for a single specific item.

That said, it's not a bad idea to allow something like 10x of a raid coin to get any one specific item the raid drops.

It just really boils down to "is that worth taking dev time away from other projects, or are people likely to get the item they want anyway after 10ish runs?"

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Originally Posted by brokenghost

Who do I gotta blow to get those queue times? My Ivalice queues were each 40 min or more, and I was on tank lol
And I appreciate your words : )

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Tanks have a disadvantage on alliance raids as the party composition is different to other content. In 8 player content you have 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 dps, in alliance raids you have 1 tank, 2 healers and 5 dps. This is why alliance raid has dps in need so often compared to other roulettes.

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Originally Posted by brokenghost

Who do I gotta blow to get those queue times? My Ivalice queues were each 40 min or more, and I was on tank lol
And I appreciate your words : )

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For alliance raid that actually INCREASES your queue a lot of the time. Remember of 24 players in every queue only 3 are tanks. 6 are healers, and 15 are dps. That’s why AR is the only one you can consistently get the dps bonus for queuing.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I think SE wants ideas to be scrutinized on the forums. What is an idea if SE can't see how that idea would be received by people?

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There is a difference between "scrutiny" and fanboys defending a game's faults which would be pointed out by people without a personal investment.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I love how all this forum is are people submitting occasionally useful ideas (a token pity system for araid drops) and then the dev team doesn't even read them and 80% of the replies are fanboys pretending the op's grievance isn't really an issue because some awful alternative option exists that doesn't address the main issue (that raid? run it 12 times with 3 people instead of 24! disregard the fact that the rng issue is still a factor, problemo solved! need a house? move to materia! plenty of homes there. problem solved. feel like your job's dumbed down? just play another game! problem solved!), or some armchair SE-exec will step in to write you a five paragraph essay about why it's "just not possible" to implement something every other game has done 10 years ago, even though he literally knows as much about the inner workings of this game as anyone else posting here, until eventually the thread gets derailed and becomes about something else entirely.

Honestly a simple one way suggestion box would be more useful at this point. This place blows.

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Your idea of a one way suggestion box would blow even harder because there would be no way for anyone on the outside to gauge the interest in one idea or another. It would all be hidden in a database somewhere, tracking how many people have submitted an idea. It's a crude and poor way to process feedback. Never mind the fact that someone has to look at each and every comment.

The reasoning behind most of my responses to things like this is more to do with the amount of time it will actually take for the individual with a problem to actually have this idea see the light of day. Ideas need to be properly formed here or where ever and show a reasonable amount of support before they even get considered by the team. Some things are easier to get through to the team than others.

In the case of getting a piece of loot from an alliance raid or dungeon, the intent is for the players to run this content multiple times. You're not here to run something once or twice and be on your way. You don't have to work there to know this is truth. It's how these games have operated for decades.

So, it could be months before a change can be considered and then implemented. If you want to sit and wait, that's up to you. You can also do what everyone else in every game does and just go for what you want. It will drop at some point.

By the way, the biggest obstacle to feedback is not the alleged fanboys or so-called echo chamber, but the people that can't handle any kind of real discussion on a topic, as well as those that post the most ridiculous threads pushing good ideas further away from the front page. I remember discussing ways to get loot from places we've cleared. I was in favor of it if it's at least an expansion behind, but then that keeps people out of that content. There's less incentive to run it.