The X noticed you and ran away! (Island Sanctuary)

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'm going with the idea that even if they're not necessarily required (they do help with being able to keep your supplies up), this sort of thing doesn't seem to go along with the "laid-back and relaxed" idea that Island Sanctuary is supposed to espouse.

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Yeah, some of its design is definitely backwards in that regard.

After failing to capture Goobbue & Twinklefleece for the past couple of days, I tried something different to see if it would work. I went in as Ninja and tried Hide to stay invincible to capture them and it worked! It could be coincidence, but I got both of them back to back this way after only a few throws. I’m not level 10 yet, so I couldn’t go for Paissa yet, but once I do, I’m going to try again and see if it works again. He’s my last one.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

After failing to capture Goobbue & Twinklefleece for the past couple of days, I tried something different to see if it would work. I went in as Ninja and tried Hide to stay invincible to capture them and it worked! It could be coincidence, but I got both of them back to back this way after only a few throws. I’m not level 10 yet, so I couldn’t go for Paissa yet, but once I do, I’m going to try again and see if it works again. He’s my last one.

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You definitely got lucky. :p I managed to catch Twinklefleece on my first swing a few days ago. After fumbling the timers multiple times with my goobbue, I got that one today after I want to say 4-5 swings. That Grand Buffalo continues to elude me though, and I haven't even seen the gator yet myself. But I'll get them. It's all mostly RNG. Just gotta stay behind them.

They should make a master trapper with 100% guaranteed capture rate, they could make it be bought with island currency or crafting or something

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Originally Posted by Ravor

They should make a master trapper with 100% guaranteed capture rate, they could make it be bought with island currency or crafting or something

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That seems excessive for a cosmetic piece. :p

just rng
ive caught 2 gators
used 45 nets on beachcomb to catch it on 4 the next attempt
caught paissa first attempt
justbtwinklefleece still missing

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's just RNG at play unfortunately. RNG stacked atop additional RNG.

Somehow an alligator evaded my capture attempt four times in a row and then on the fifth I caught him.

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....so... Like a pokéball...

Over 120 attempts on Paissa, Gator, and Twinkle with nothing to show for it. This waste of resources and time is beyond frustrating at this point.

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Originally Posted by Kiba_Whitewolf

Over 120 attempts on Paissa, Gator, and Twinkle with nothing to show for it. This waste of resources and time is beyond frustrating at this point.

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That does seem like really bad RNG.

What are you doing when you try to catch them? I've been switching to walk, going behind them so I'm just barely outside of their hitbox (if I'm in it, they almost always sense my presence and despawn), waiting 8-10 seconds then throwing the restraint. It's not always successful first attempt but I've hadn't had more than 20 attempts on any single creature (still missing Twinklefleece, Gold Back and the alligator).

I'm not doing any of the superstitious nonsense that people seem to think being behind has any impact. I just throw until they run inevitably run away. The very first time I saw the gator I used over 20 balls before it ran away.

I don't think it has anything to do with being close or behind. I landed right in the paissa's face today, tossed a rope, and got it on the first try. When I first got the medium restraints, I wasted I don't know how many on a normal dodo who kept walking around so sometimes I was behind and sometimes I was in front of it. It's just RNG.

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Originally Posted by Kiba_Whitewolf

I'm not doing any of the superstitious nonsense that people seem to think being behind has any impact. I just throw until they run inevitably run away. The very first time I saw the gator I used over 20 balls before it ran away.

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How is it superstitious nonsense in a game known to have conditions for creatures becoming aware of your presence? Some aggro by line of sight. Some aggro by sound (movement speed). Some aggro by use of magic. Probably a few other conditions I'm not thinking of off the top of my head (certainly Eureka took advantage of them).

Up to you if you want to keep failing without trying something different.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I don't think it has anything to do with being close or behind. I landed right in the paissa's face today, tossed a rope, and got it on the first try. When I first got the medium restraints, I wasted I don't know how many on a normal dodo who kept walking around so sometimes I was behind and sometimes I was in front of it. It's just RNG.

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Possibly but we can't know for certain because SE isn't sharing the details, just as players had to figure out the rules in Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Possibly but we can't know for certain because SE isn't sharing the details, just as players had to figure out the rules in Eureka.

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While it is certainly a sound possibility, after plenty of tries myself I came to think they don't really play any factor into success or failure of capturing X animal.

Being a fan of Eureka/BSF, at first I instinctively always try to catch everything by sneaking from the animal's rear with walk mode toggled on. I even made sure to not get into their LoS before spotting them in my screen; I would walk back a bit further to let them render out and run in circle or to any obstacle before getting close. I consider my own luck to be quite good, but I also fail to see how that plays any factor in it because there was one time I had to go away really fast, I just run ahead to their front---dead front---hit them up, auto success! o.O" and this was my first rare animal, the Black Chocobo.

Ever since then I stopped all the sneaky act and just casually say "Hi can I kidnap you?" lol

I'm not even sure the rare animals are anything all that special anyway. Take the Ornery Karakul. It's common leaving is Milk and the rare is Fleece. The Lost Lamb is just the reverse. Common is Fleece, rare is Milk. Now, maybe the Ornery Karakul would be special if the Milk was rare in general... But it is the common leaving from both Aurochs and Island Nanny.

There are plenty more examples of this as well - "Rare" leavings being common on the weather/time-based creatures... but these are also common on common animals. And it isn't like these special animals can drop 2+ of these items. They are still bound to drop 0 or 1.

I recently released some of my more "rare" animals in order to balance out my leavings. We can get up to 40 leavings per day from 20 animals with 9 types of leavings. So, ideally, we'll get something like ~4.5 of each type per day. In reality, this equates to balancing out your creatures so you get 5 each of 4 types and 4 each of 5 types.

What we don't know is if these special creatures drop the rare item at a higher rate. I suppose we'd need someone to have a pasture with all common animals and track what they get for a few weeks and maybe we could have that data point. I think it is a good assumption that special creatures can't have a worse drop rate. But the fact remains, there is nothing "rare" about swapping the rare leaving with the common leaving.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You definitely got lucky. :p I managed to catch Twinklefleece on my first swing a few days ago. After fumbling the timers multiple times with my goobbue, I got that one today after I want to say 4-5 swings. That Grand Buffalo continues to elude me though, and I haven't even seen the gator yet myself. But I'll get them. It's all mostly RNG. Just gotta stay behind them.

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I managed to get to level 10 and 1st chance I got to try my hidden ninja trick, it worked again on my very 1st try! Either I got seriously lucky going 3 for 3, or there is something to it. I am done with the rare ones now. Huzzah!!!

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

I managed to get to level 10 and 1st chance I got to try my hidden ninja trick, it worked again on my very 1st try! Either I got seriously lucky going 3 for 3, or there is something to it. I am done with the rare ones now. Huzzah!!!

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Shooot, I'm about ready to try this. Can't hurt anything at least ;)

But yeah, that last goobbue fail took it out of me and I've not tried for half a week. lol. BUT I'M BACK, and loaded up on traps again. Will let ya know if I give the ninja a try.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

I managed to get to level 10 and 1st chance I got to try my hidden ninja trick, it worked again on my very 1st try! Either I got seriously lucky going 3 for 3, or there is something to it. I am done with the rare ones now. Huzzah!!!

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I've got nothing to lose by trying I guess. lol I'm guessing it's just some serious luck, but maybe I'll do that with the gator the next time it spawns just because. All I have left is the gator and paissa, but I can't access the paissa yet. Got my buffalo earlier. So many hours wasted spent on that one alone. As frustrating as this RNG is, it's nothing like spending 7+ years farming a mount in WoW like I did before it dropped. It lessens the impact a bit I guess. If I think RNG hates me in FF XIV, I just remember that ordeal, and suddenly it's not so bad!

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Ever since then I stopped all the sneaky act and just casually say "Hi can I kidnap you?" lol

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Which seems 9 times out of 10 to be exactly what they want.

And that signature is hilarious. And as a 90 FSH makes me also want to cry.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

I managed to get to level 10 and 1st chance I got to try my hidden ninja trick, it worked again on my very 1st try! Either I got seriously lucky going 3 for 3, or there is something to it. I am done with the rare ones now. Huzzah!!!

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Just tried this out on twinklefleece tonight and I was able to catch him on my third net. \o/ Weeeeee. ONE MORE RARE TO GO!!!....although it's the goobbue, and I'm pretty certain that thing exists solely to waste my traps. Will let ya know how I get on with the ninjar trick on that one in a day or two.

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

That's what I do.
I've read on the Forum that feeding the Animals isn't necessary. The give Loot anyway.
If that's true I do not have to farm Food for them. Time saved.
I'll take the Loot they are giving and slowly but surley I will get the Mount. Mission accomplished.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I saw a post awhile back about an animal that was super angry and left the pasture. I've only seen that one post, and I can't find it again, so maybe someone else can chime in here on whether or not that's how it works. Also, I'm not positive if angry/unhappy will always give at least one item...I've not read up on that, so I'll fix my first post just to account for that unknown.

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I have tested it.
No food for 3 days.
They are very angry but still drop loot.
No Animal ran away. Not even the rare ones.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I'm not even sure the rare animals are anything all that special anyway. Take the Ornery Karakul. It's common leaving is Milk and the rare is Fleece. The Lost Lamb is just the reverse. Common is Fleece, rare is Milk. Now, maybe the Ornery Karakul would be special if the Milk was rare in general... But it is the common leaving from both Aurochs and Island Nanny.

There are plenty more examples of this as well - "Rare" leavings being common on the weather/time-based creatures... but these are also common on common animals. And it isn't like these special animals can drop 2+ of these items. They are still bound to drop 0 or 1.

I recently released some of my more "rare" animals in order to balance out my leavings. We can get up to 40 leavings per day from 20 animals with 9 types of leavings. So, ideally, we'll get something like ~4.5 of each type per day. In reality, this equates to balancing out your creatures so you get 5 each of 4 types and 4 each of 5 types.

What we don't know is if these special creatures drop the rare item at a higher rate. I suppose we'd need someone to have a pasture with all common animals and track what they get for a few weeks and maybe we could have that data point. I think it is a good assumption that special creatures can't have a worse drop rate. But the fact remains, there is nothing "rare" about swapping the rare leaving with the common leaving.

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You're right. There's nothing special about the rares. They just flip the order of leavings. Things like Twinklefleece are purely there for cosmetics.

I have a good mix of creatures, including both chocobos, both coblyns and glyptodon & pup. There's no difference in drop rates. As long as they're at max happiness, there's usually a second drop. Once in a while, you might only get one though. I have two apkallu of paradise and one didn't give me fleece this morning.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You're right. There's nothing special about the rares. They just flip the order of leavings. Things like Twinklefleece are purely there for cosmetics.

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There are a couple of exceptions. The Island Stag doesn't have the same drops as the Island Doe, and the Island Billy doesn't have the same drops as the Island Nanny.

Considering the Doe and Nanny both drop milk, I hope I don't need to explain why the Stag and Billy don't.

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

I have tested it.
No food for 3 days.
They are very angry but still drop loot.
No Animal ran away. Not even the rare ones.

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Oh that's good to know! It would kinda suck if you took an extended break from the game and they were all gone.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There are a couple of exceptions. The Island Stag doesn't have the same drops as the Island Doe, and the Island Billy doesn't have the same drops as the Island Nanny.

Considering the Doe and Nanny both drop milk, I hope I don't need to explain why the Stag and Billy don't.

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Yeah, there's that. (I hope you don't need to explain why either.) I was thinking overall.
The one timed spawn you need to cover base drops is the billy. One could live without the weather-based rares.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Just tried this out on twinklefleece tonight and I was able to catch him on my third net. \o/ Weeeeee. ONE MORE RARE TO GO!!!....although it's the goobbue, and I'm pretty certain that thing exists solely to waste my traps. Will let ya know how I get on with the ninjar trick on that one in a day or two.

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Alright, so just ninja'd the Goobbue tonight and snagged it on my first trap. That was my last rare, but I'd be curious to see if this works for other people as well.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Alright, so just ninja'd the Goobbue tonight and snagged it on my first trap. That was my last rare, but I'd be curious to see if this works for other people as well.

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I tried this and failed. I was late getting in, so I only got a few hits off before it timed out.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I tried this and failed. I was late getting in, so I only got a few hits off before it timed out.

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Oh that's too bad. I wonder how it would have gone if not for the timer.

I'm about to try again :)

wow. first hit :D

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Alright, so just ninja'd the Goobbue tonight and snagged it on my first trap. That was my last rare, but I'd be curious to see if this works for other people as well.

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I'm pretty sure that it's just RNG with this and the whole ninja stealth thing is just a coincidence. Some people are just that lucky sometimes. Just did this with the gator, as an fyi. 2 misses and then it ran away. So no, not convinced that this is a "thing".

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm pretty sure that it's just RNG with this and the whole ninja stealth thing is just a coincidence. Some people are just that lucky sometimes. Just did this with the gator, as an fyi. 2 misses and then it ran away. So no, not convinced that this is a "thing".

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Well, it didn’t hurt to share. I found this out and it “worked”, so I needed to see if it was a fluke. Since I went 3 for 3, I couldn’t get enough tests to try it out without dumping any of my animals. Some people seem to have tried and were successful, but you said you weren’t. That’s all I needed to see. Oh well. It sucks that it isn’t a thing.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm pretty sure that it's just RNG with this and the whole ninja stealth thing is just a coincidence. Some people are just that lucky sometimes. Just did this with the gator, as an fyi. 2 misses and then it ran away. So no, not convinced that this is a "thing".

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My other theory is that the game somehow knew I was talking smack about my friend the Goobbue and that I also had just crafted a tooon of traps for it. Its smug little AI was like "hahhha, watch this!", and just like that all my extra traps are now useless. Ya know, like when you finally wash your car, it rains.

But yeahhh, I'm really hoping that SE will flesh out IS more down the road. I still feel like it has a lot of potential, it's just missing the finer details that make farming simulators fun and something you dabble with long-term.

Maybe it’s just me over thinking. But I find if I get at a decent range and don’t move like 10 seconds, then my success is better. Like they see me walk up and then forget I’m there lol. Could be in my head but try it and tell me what you think.

Pretty much my reaction when that happens
https://c.tenor.com/uKc86GhjVRkAAAAC/dinkelberg.gif

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Pretty much my reaction when that happens
https://c.tenor.com/uKc86GhjVRkAAAAC/dinkelberg.gif

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110% relatable.

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Originally Posted by Deole

Maybe it’s just me over thinking. But I find if I get at a decent range and don’t move like 10 seconds, then my success is better. Like they see me walk up and then forget I’m there lol. Could be in my head but try it and tell me what you think.

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it's in your head, I've just mounted up and sprinted straight up to them while they're watching me and still caught them. It's all rng. do you really think they designed a special system for animal aggro just for this Island?

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

I have tested it.
No food for 3 days.
They are very angry but still drop loot.
No Animal ran away. Not even the rare ones.

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I'm sitting here giggling to myself. "I starved my poor animals for Science"

Reminds of me of ye olden days when we all neglected our Tamagotchis to see what would happen. Or the awful things I've done to my Sims.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

it's in your head, I've just mounted up and sprinted straight up to them while they're watching me and still caught them. It's all rng. do you really think they designed a special system for animal aggro just for this Island?

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They don't have to design a special system when there's a system already used in the game. It's strange how many players are unaware of it.

Want to walk from Little Ala Mhigo to Forgotten Springs on a level 15 character through Amalj'aa territory without being attacked and without using the Red Labyrinth bypass? You can do it if you understand how those mobs aggro (line of sight) and take patient advantage of that information (wait for the nearby mob(s) to move so you'll know you have several seconds to go behind them safely).

Moving safely through Eureka until you get to be a high enough level to not worry about them is all about knowing how to avoid aggro for the individual creature types.

Here's an experience I had with Lost Lambs a few days ago on one of my alts. Used my usual walk up behind, stay out of hit box, wait a few seconds then toss the net. I didn't just miss every time, I was detected every time. So I decided to change it up and stayed behind, still waited but this time just inside the hit box. Caught the Lamb every time. Stepped back of the hitbox again and back to being detected every time. Stand on flank instead of behind? Detected. I kept doing this over 30 something attempts even though I had already captured the number of Lambs I wanted for the Pasture. I had plenty of nets to spare since I had made extras expecting frequently failures that didn't end up happening on my earlier captures .

That would be a very wild coincidence if it was truly RNG. With actual RNG, some of the out of hit box attempts should have succeeded and some of the in hit box attempts failed.

Most of the other creatures work the opposite - you want to be outside of the hitbox. Rares still have their RNG for the capture to miss but not be detected.

Call me foolish if you want but it's worked very well for me across 4 characters so I haven't needed to do a lot of gathering to make nets/restraints/soporifics while I've been reading other players talk about their constant failures.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They don't have to design a special system when there's a system already used in the game. It's strange how many players are unaware of it.

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Call me foolish if you want but it's worked very well for me across 4 characters so I haven't needed to do a lot of gathering to make nets/restraints/soporifics while I've been reading other players talk about their constant failures.

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I agree. I haven't done nearly as much capturing, but I've also had very little failure on taking certain approaches to them, like being in melee range for the small creatures and letting everything "reset" after a miss.

Looks like they truly did fix the spawns of the rares. I tested it with the gator spawn. Before if you went into before a specific time, it would mean your rare would not spawn when its window opened. Went in a little after 12am ET (which was when you were supposed to have exited your island before the spawn time/weather aligned) and left and zoned back in at 6am when the gator was set to spawn. Sure enough, there it was. Thank the Twelve. And SE, I guess. But yeah, just wanted to give a first-hand confirmation on that.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Looks like they truly did fix the spawns of the rares. I tested it with the gator spawn. Before if you went into before a specific time, it would mean your rare would not spawn when its window opened. Went in a little after 12am ET (which was when you were supposed to have exited your island before the spawn time/weather aligned) and left and zoned back in at 6am when the gator was set to spawn. Sure enough, there it was. Thank the Twelve. And SE, I guess. But yeah, just wanted to give a first-hand confirmation on that.

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Yes, it's fixed. I intentionally stayed in zone prior to when the Alligator was due to spawn just to tempt fate but it spawned as it should have. I missed with my first attempt and was detected on second attempt with this character. It was straddling the rocks so if I'm right about position affecting chance to capture, I might have misjudged the hitbox or simply had the bad RNG that attempt. But I switched to one of my other characters right away and then caught it first attempt with that character - behind and out of hitbox. That time it was standing in the middle of the creek, no rocks under it.

As long as I'm continuing to get fairly consistently results, I don't mind taking that extra caution. I'd rather spend an extra minute or two on a capture than have to spend a half hour gathering more materials for nets/restraints/soporifics thanks to successive misses and failures.

Besides, it's more fun for me my way. It feels more like trying to capture a wild creature instead of like grabbing a runaway pet off the street.