I don't like FFXIV's community

things I (almost) never saw on Primal.

your have been reported they will verifi my account information to show what i posted is true then decie to suspend you or not.

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

things I (almost) never saw on Primal.

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This crossed my mind as well. I've had some issues with people here and there, but the main frustration is with people not knowing what they're doing.

It's funny. I've been seeing some tweets today talking about how people on Bryn are generally decent.

I gotta be super lucky, honestly. I don't even see all the rage that goes on in Ultimate level content, let alone Savage. Like frustration sometimes sure but if I were new and reading this thread I'd think trying Savage would lead to some really dark stuff to happen when really at most I see disagreements over strategy and parting of ways.

Unless that's considered toxic now? Eh. Toxic is a dumb term anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Forum join date is 2011, which means playing back in 1.0 (I imagine posts from the pre-ARR era were deleted at some point). Someone deciding to make a new account just to troll would have a recent date.

He could be exactly what he said he is, with one massively bad experience of late that set him off. People can be jerks, and someone having a bad day for whatever reason might have a hard time coping.

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He's clearly a time traveler, he time traveled back to 2011 to make his account and then came back to the present to totally start a troll thread!

I also dislike XIVs community but not for the same reasons. I think the overly heavyhanded ToS goes a long way to essentially scare everybody into being nice (note: passive aggressive) to each other, but I hate the forced "positivity".

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I also dislike XIVs community but not for the same reasons. I think the overly heavyhanded ToS goes a long way to essentially scare everybody into being nice (note: passive aggressive) to each other, but I hate the forced "positivity".

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I guess manners must enrage you then

Manners maketh man

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

(I'll slap a cheese on the head of the first person who tells me that it's normal for the French community to complain).

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un camembert bien mûr pour moi svp

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Originally Posted by Shibi

un camembert bien mûr pour moi svp

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I only got camembert, me and please from that

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Originally Posted by hagare

I only got camembert, me and please from that

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mmm, tasty tasty tasty stuff!

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

crystal dc is where all the erpers and snowflakes go. it is literally the festering hole of the NA servers.

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You can say this all you want, but I've been on Balmung since ARR released and could count incidents of toxicity on one hand. Content is usually a bunch of people saying hello, cracking jokes, and being silly. Even when a lot of wipes happen, people usually are supportive and encouraging("we'll get it this time friends!").

I don't believe for a second that someone is experiencing rampant toxicity on this data center as I've got literally thousands of dungeons, trials, raids, etc under my belt here and simply don't see it. And new folks are always commenting how nice the community is in the game.

One person having a few bad experiences over the course of 9 years? I'd buy that. Constant and unrelenting toxicity though? No way.

If anything the actual community doesn't say anything. They'll just quietly disband.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

1. From the very start of 2.0 I've had people tell me to kill myself or that I should quit. One instance i remember is doing Amdapor Keep for the first time and we all wiped on the last boss cause the Tank rushed in and no one knew the mechanics. Told me directly I should quit and how horrible I was when I asked if we could try again. This was very common behavior in this time period.

2. Poor GMing. You'll have some people catching bans but them you take a look at Balmung shout chat and see people talking about animal genitalia, their mods that give their characters animal genetalia, you can see people in the shout chat talking about other fetishes nonstop all day and people who have done it for years which I won't name but just spend a few seconds there and you'll see some disgusting dialogue being spammed. Even in say chat.

3. People promoting their Discords 24/7 in party finders, shout chats. These same discords dictating content like Eureka nonstop. Making it hard to even get anything done since a Discord decides it wants to control BA and you're not allowed. You have people insta pulling everything so people miss out cause no one cares.

4. Hunts all the years of them getting instapulled and people missing out.

5. From Coils, to Alexander, to Omega, there and so on. Extremes as well and Savages. You'll find more and more unsavory people cursing at each other and they don't get banned. Telling people to quit the game.

6. You got people screaming at novices cause they don't know every mechanic before a fight in a basic 4 man leveling dungeon cause they are so tired of farming tomes they take it out on others.

I'm sorry but this community is not good in any sense of the word nor has it ever been no matter what anyone says.

And with that, I am done with this game. Been here since 1.0 but I'm ready to move on to something else like offline games.

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I can confirm, I have faced exactly the same issues, the problem with the people is that I don't care at all about this should have taken the advice and quit, if that list are the worst points you could find
then ffxiv is doing pretty good being a bad community lulw, if you still read this my lala is wearing a bikini now because I know it will give people a bad gut feeling.

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Originally Posted by hagare

I guess manners must enrage you then

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Manners are chosen, they shouldn't be forced. We're talking about a game where people are so afraid of ToS nobody speaks openly. If someone messes up, nobody wants to say anything because of ToS. But then it's perfectly acceptable for somebody to be stalked for 6 months+, keep reporting it to the company and nothing happens.

Considering the company won't even let people talk openly in the new PVP mode, it gets to the point where efforts to quell toxicity actually damage the game in the long run by treating paying customers as if they're children and not adults.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

1. From the very start of 2.0 I've had people tell me to kill myself or that I should quit. One instance i remember is doing Amdapor Keep for the first time and we all wiped on the last boss cause the Tank rushed in and no one knew the mechanics. Told me directly I should quit and how horrible I was when I asked if we could try again. This was very common behavior in this time period.

2. Poor GMing. You'll have some people catching bans but them you take a look at Balmung shout chat and see people talking about animal genitalia, their mods that give their characters animal genetalia, you can see people in the shout chat talking about other fetishes nonstop all day and people who have done it for years which I won't name but just spend a few seconds there and you'll see some disgusting dialogue being spammed. Even in say chat.

3. People promoting their Discords 24/7 in party finders, shout chats. These same discords dictating content like Eureka nonstop. Making it hard to even get anything done since a Discord decides it wants to control BA and you're not allowed. You have people insta pulling everything so people miss out cause no one cares.

4. Hunts all the years of them getting instapulled and people missing out.

5. From Coils, to Alexander, to Omega, there and so on. Extremes as well and Savages. You'll find more and more unsavory people cursing at each other and they don't get banned. Telling people to quit the game.

6. You got people screaming at novices cause they don't know every mechanic before a fight in a basic 4 man leveling dungeon cause they are so tired of farming tomes they take it out on others.

I'm sorry but this community is not good in any sense of the word nor has it ever been no matter what anyone says.

And with that, I am done with this game. Been here since 1.0 but I'm ready to move on to something else like offline games.

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Single post troll. Nothing to see here. Moving on.

I'm in this game since 1.x too(with my older account, not steam). And I had some inccidents with toxic people too. But it was very rare in my case. In fact, only 4 times. All of them evolving around FC dramas or things related to rp/erp.

As we get older, we tend to care less about other's behaviours. It's like we develop a resistence to dramas or a resilience to shitty people. But in a first reaction to bad stuff, we tend to close ourselves from others. But this reaction make us blind to the nice aspects of the community. The majority of people playing this game is very receptive, kind and friendly. Yep, there are some weird people, some degenerates, some selfish drama queens, some endgamers that loves more numbers than themselves... yes, but this is not the majority. Just ignore them, leave them alone, log in to have FUN and not to feel bad. For endgame content, try to find nice people to make a static. For chill moments, go for FC houses and not Ul'Dah's venue of decrepit people...

If a game don't give you the fun you are looking for, just go for another. But never forget that bad people exists everywhere and we have to deal with them from time to time. To create a security shell to protect yourself is an extreme measure and only leads to "sadness". Everything is gray, so the community is not made only by bad stuff... you have just to adapt yourself and develop the resistence to shits.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I also dislike XIVs community but not for the same reasons. I think the overly heavyhanded ToS goes a long way to essentially scare everybody into being nice (note: passive aggressive) to each other, but I hate the forced "positivity".

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If the rules are the only thing keeping people nice then I will keep the rules, please and thank you. I have only been playing just over a year but I can count the toxic experiences with other players on one hand. Famfrit/Primal. I also don't touch hard content with a 50 foot poll, so maybe that is the difference.

Kupo <3 only The Sith speak in absolutes jk kupo <3

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 only The Sith speak in absolutes jk kupo <3

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Master Moogle-wan Kenobi u.u

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

Master Moogle-wan Kenobi u.u

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kupo <3 lol .... Let the kupo flow through you lol

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

kupo <3 lol .... Let the kupo flow through you lol

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May the kupo be with you! (maybe kupo nut? xD ).

I for one am for the heavyhanded measures of the tos otherwise it would become extremely toxic if people were left to their own devices. I come from playing COD and I know how toxic people can be and I could give as good as I got when I played COD. I would take some passive aggressiveness at times over full blown toxicity.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Manners are chosen, they shouldn't be forced. We're talking about a game where people are so afraid of ToS nobody speaks openly. If someone messes up, nobody wants to say anything because of ToS. But then it's perfectly acceptable for somebody to be stalked for 6 months+, keep reporting it to the company and nothing happens.

Considering the company won't even let people talk openly in the new PVP mode, it gets to the point where efforts to quell toxicity actually damage the game in the long run by treating paying customers as if they're children and not adults. But then again, I'm talking to somebody in a pink elephant suit so I know these words are a wasted effort anyway.

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your reply alone tells me what you mean by "speak openly"

I can't say I've encountered much hostility in-game, and whilst the forums do tend to lean toward discussion with a more negative tone, I will note that I received an encouraging amount of support here when I first joined and posted a thread to ask opinions regarding whether I should perceiver with the game, due to how bad I was at it, which was very much appreciated!

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I also dislike XIVs community but not for the same reasons. I think the overly heavyhanded ToS goes a long way to essentially scare everybody into being nice (note: passive aggressive) to each other, but I hate the forced "positivity".

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I find it creates a false positivity on the surface, but a sort of stifling passive aggressive toxicity behind it. We seem to have a strong casual/veteran divide in ff14 where both sides strongly dislike each other but have to pretend everything is fine.

-Some of the very casual players have taken the devs trying to cater to them as a sign that the game is casual only, playing badly is correct and that they're the most important audience. This has bred an entitled gloating self-importance where veteran players are looked down on, accomplishments are a bad thing, having everything handed over is an expectation and the bare minimum effort is put into content. They look down on players who want a challenge. This is their game. Quit and get lost if you don't like it.

-On the flip side the veteran players who are stifled, banned from even mentioning performance and constantly have content ripped away from them have a deep bottled away resentment. They hate that they're meant to carry the players who not only put in no effort, but also ridicule them as tryhards and elitists for even trying. This ends up with people being jumped on and bombarded for saying things like "I don't like dps on healers" or "I don't like wall pulls" and players having much less patience for inexperienced players.

Then you have things like Hunts, where griefing is unaddressed because "it isn't intended to share hunts, so we'll just ignore this festering community conflict and do nothing", extreme cases of stalking that goes unaddressed because they aren't saying your dps sucks so doesn't break ToS, bots everywhere, the Housing community being a cesspit and hounding people who haven't decorated their house enough because players are so frustrated trying to get one, Raiding PF's just disbanding after 2 wipes because the group can see the problem player who isn't ready for that content at all but can't say or do a thing about it and so on.

WoW was indeed toxic, but one difference I found in WoW was it was just immature straightforward rudeness. The main issue there was the GM's didn't give the children a much needed slap on the wrist from time to time, but it was easy to ignore or disprove. FF14's toxicity is much more complicated and ingrained and almost impossible to counter because on the surface it's always calculated to stay just within ToS. In some ways I dislike that even more.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

We seem to have a strong casual/veteran divide in ff14 .

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When I read the word "veteran" I do not immediately think "not casual".

When I read the word "casual" I do not immediately think "inexperienced".

As a veteran of nearly 8 years standing myself, I would still consider myself a casual player, in that I play when I want as the mood takes me, rather than every day. I do not bother with combat add-ons to "get better". I'm not competing with other players. I know my limits. I enjoy the non-combat play, the story line, the players I come in contact with ...

The only place I find a divide in this game is on the forums. There, self-proclaimed "veterans" bash "casuals" (and vice versa), ignoring the fact that those definitions are decidedly vague hand-waving around one solid fact: the people who are most competent at combat play in this game appear to be of the opinion that only they can have an opinion on what is, and what is not, worthy of comment. All others are incompetent in combat play and, therefore, to be ignored or cast as the rather cliched White Knight.

All conversations are cast through this lens, thus the perceived divide.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

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I feel like this is a strange comparison to make. Veteran and casual aren't opposites of each other. For example, I definitely consider myself a "casual" player given the amount of time I play in a day/week and the fact that my group content is almost exclusively normal DF runs and doing things with my FC. On the other hand, I've been playing for about 7 years now and can answer pretty much any question people have about how the game works or the story, so I would also definitely consider myself a "veteran" of the game.

And as an experienced player, I have absolutely no problem being the "heavy" and helping carry a DF group. In fact, that just tends to make it more fun. I also haven't seen anything I would describe as encouraging that "playing badly is correct" in any way, shape, or form. What I have seen is a lot of more experienced players in DF being supportive of newer players, and the rare occasions I see someone get toxic, there's almost universal shutting it down, not just silence.

WoW, on the other hand...holy cow, go in a regular LFD/LFR of any sort and I'd end up surprised if someone didn't make a negative or toxic comment during the run. It was just disgusting to see.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I also dislike XIVs community but not for the same reasons. I think the overly heavyhanded ToS goes a long way to essentially scare everybody into being nice (note: passive aggressive) to each other, but I hate the forced "positivity".

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the alternative is utter chaos imo

although we expect everyone to be able to moderate themselves, it's proven time and time again that behind that wall of anonymity and lawlessness even generally nice people can be quite rude
i don't think until you experience unmoderated global chat can you at least appreciate what the ToS attempts to do

I guarantee give it a week without the tos currently in place and there would be chaos. People cursing at each other left and right. Being brutally honest more focus on the brutal part when it comes to gameplay. I agree that the tos can be quite strict but in general it keeps the reigns on people to behave and act like decent people.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

the alternative is utter chaos imo

although we expect everyone to be able to moderate themselves, it's proven time and time again that behind that wall of anonymity and lawlessness even generally nice people can be quite rude
i don't think until you experience unmoderated global chat can you at least appreciate what the ToS attempts to do

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This can be true but in my case, even without rules against being toxic and such, my behavior would be completely identical to how it is right now when I play. Never have I been in any kind of trouble in any mmo I've played, and I've played a ton.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

This can be true but in my case, even without rules against being toxic and such, my behavior would be completely identical to how it is right now when I play. Never have I been in any kind of trouble in any mmo I've played, and I've played a ton.

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Yeah but that's just you. Do you really trust random strangers to behave themselves properly without the rules set in place to encourage standard social behavior?

I don't think so

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah but that's just you. Do you really trust random strangers to behave themselves properly without the rules set in place to encourage standard social behavior?

I don't think so

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You are right, I don't think random people will behave themselves at all. I've seen far too much evidence that says they'll do the exact opposite and cause as many problems as possible.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Manners are chosen, they shouldn't be forced. We're talking about a game where people are so afraid of ToS nobody speaks openly. If someone messes up, nobody wants to say anything because of ToS. But then it's perfectly acceptable for somebody to be stalked for 6 months+, keep reporting it to the company and nothing happens.

Considering the company won't even let people talk openly in the new PVP mode, it gets to the point where efforts to quell toxicity actually damage the game in the long run by treating paying customers as if they're children and not adults.

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I kind of feel your approach may be the problem. There was a thread awhile back talking about the same thing and my self n many others spoke about less confrontational ways to address things like mess ups. I've been a mentor for a good bit and often give pointers. I've never once gotten in trouble for it nor do I fear it.

I won't say its definitive but if you're afraid to speak due to ToS it might be a you problem (not you but in general). Basic manners aren't hard

The vast majority of toxicity in this game that I've seen has come from PF learning parties, Eureka zones, and Bozja zones. Although Eureka takes the cake as the most toxic place in the game.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

The vast majority of toxicity in this game that I've seen has come from PF learning parties, Eureka zones, and Bozja zones. Although Eureka takes the cake as the most toxic place in the game.

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Clearly, you haven't played Mahjong.

Some of these posts are difficult for me to believe. I was told to kill myself and/or uninstall on an almost daily basis for years in WoW. No one has EVER even came CLOSE to being that toxic to me in this game.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Some of these posts are difficult for me to believe. I was told to kill myself and/or uninstall on an almost daily basis for years in WoW. No one has EVER even came CLOSE to being that toxic to me in this game.

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For real, the GM would bring down the ban hammer on the person who dared to say something like that in this game.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

The vast majority of toxicity in this game that I've seen has come from PF learning parties, Eureka zones, and Bozja zones. Although Eureka takes the cake as the most toxic place in the game.

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seriously anytime I am in eureka I see no toxicity maybe BA but I have not gotten there yet.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Some of these posts are difficult for me to believe. I was told to kill myself and/or uninstall on an almost daily basis for years in WoW. No one has EVER even came CLOSE to being that toxic to me in this game.

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I play this game since 2012 and i never saw anything like this too... in this deep as "killing myself" stuff...
Not with me or anybody else that I met in all this time '-'

Maybe we are just lucky? '-'