Finally something to be hyped about

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

wasn't ocean fishing, explorer mode and crafters/gathers changes introduced in 5.2 or it was later and i misremember?

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*pulls out microscope*
Patch notes for 5.2 say...Ocean Fishing was definitely added there, and the fisher changes (the exclamation points) were done there as well. Crafting calculations window was also added, with a few changes to crafting rotations (lost 2 abilities, gained 2 it looked like?). So it wasn't the BIG one, but it did have some changes there. Nothing on Explorer Mode, so that may have been 5.3.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

People have been asking for savage 4 man dungeons and who expected them to announce it? Pretty amazing in my view. I saw the first part of the introduction and saw that word CASUAL and thought oh god now people will not be happy.

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Not that I'm on that spectrum, but I think even with the tag people will need to temper their expectations of the difficulty regardless. To put it into perspective -- Is it actually savage, or is it 'Endsinger will be equivalent to the earlier floors of savage' savage? (They did oversell and overextend on the difficulty of Endsinger, after all) Or is it savage because an underpinning mechanic is that all methods of resurrection are prohibited?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

New dungeon.
New trial.
New variant dungeon.
New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).
New raids.
New savage raids.
And a lot of other things such as popular quests and a beast tribe.
New relics.

But I have no doubt people on these forums will find a way to say there is less content.

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You missed the part where it gets drip-fed. If we get all of this content I wont complain, but I'll be very very surprised if it's all there on launch.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

You missed the part where it gets drip-fed. If we get all of this content I wont complain, but I'll be very very surprised if it's all there on launch.

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Let them trash the other side of this argument. Sometimes a W is needed.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Not that I'm on that spectrum, but I think even with the tag people will need to temper their expectations of the difficulty regardless. To put it into perspective -- Is it actually savage, or is it 'Endsinger will be equivalent to the earlier floors of savage' savage? (They did oversell and overextend on the difficulty of Endsinger, after all) Or is it savage because an underpinning mechanic is that all methods of resurrection are prohibited?

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I guess that remains to be seen obviously. The limited resurrection issues remind me of BA and DRS so that component proves to be an interesting addition. Personally I don't do savage but these dungeons are something I might very well give a try. I have a group of friends who are looking forward to it so we'll see how that goes.

I was happy to see that they at least appear to be giving the savage raiders and midcore content a spin with these 4 man dungeons and personally I was happy to see it given I know there are many who have been asking for that content for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).

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This is what's actually new. You're welcome.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

But but we're supposed to be getting less content no? It's all people talk about here. And yeah they blew it out of the water with Criterion Dungeons.

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They blew it out of the water? They literally showed off nothing. When Thornmarch (hard) is referenced as "very difficult" and in need revamping, you really think this is going to be that good?

There is no announced content coming in 6.2 proper. The bare minimum. All the "meat" of 6.2 is coming with 6.25, not even a 6.21 for "casual" content like Island Sanctuary. Island Sanctuary is apparently so riddled with bugs 7 months after expansion launch when it's been billed as a major feature of the expansion that they can't even show off video until a month+ later with the next PLL? Are you're blown out of the water by a few power point slides?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

is it me or most of the major stuff pushed to 6.25 and 6.2 is basically just new raid tier, new msq and just new extreme?

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Yea, there's nothing in the main patch. The absolute bare minimum. And once again Beast Tribe is being pushed to the X.X5 patch instead of with the main patch.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That always happens. Literally too, the x.2 patch is the MSQ/Raid/EX and x.25 is the new side stuff. It has been like that for...I forget how many expansions now.

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It literally does not always happen. Go back and look through some patch notes bud. While larger content often does get added in subsequent patches, it's looking like there will be no 6.21 content added this time around, content that would have been added to a main patch being relegated to X.X5, and minor to moderate updates/new game systems not being added to the main patch at all.

Slice is Right and Mahjong added in 5.1 proper.
The Falling City of Nym tileset for Leap of Faith and Ocean Fishing added to 5.2 proper.

Where is the engaging, interactive content with replayability for 6.2?

I’m pretty excited for theses Variant/Criterion Dungeons. It’s definitely what I’m most looking forward to this expansion. Finally something new!

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Originally Posted by Ryaze

They blew it out of the water? They literally showed off nothing. When Thornmarch (hard) is referenced as "very difficult" and in need revamping, you really think this is going to be that good?

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They are calling it savage. That certainly sets the expectations for savage raiders don't you think. Maybe wait to see more. The next live letter will have more details. Perhaps they should have stopped when they announced it as casual content as first then went on to say more.

I will say that the new variant dungeons seem good. I'm quite excited for more difficult 4 man content.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

They are calling it savage. That certainly sets the expectations for savage raiders don't you think. Maybe wait to see more. The next live letter will have more details. Perhaps they should have stopped when they announced it as casual content as first then went on to say more.

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And this is the warning players receive in Eureka Hydatos when they are ready to unlock BA. "Warning: The Baldesian Arsenal is an unimaginably punishing duty. Even the entry conditions will not be easily fulfilled, and emerging triumphant will require teamwork, tenacity, time, knowledge, courage, strength, and, not least of all, luck. Have you read and understood the warning?"

"Unimaginably punishing"? Sign me up. I expected some crazy stuff, not a simple dungeon with mob pulls easier than vanilla Wailing Caverns and with a few one-shots that are mechanically simple. And yea, I did it on release.

Delubrum Reginae (Savage) is called "savage" but anyone who has done it will tell you the bosses are far far closer to extreme difficulty if not easier. The only savage part about it is herding 47 ̶c̶a̶t̶s̶ players through a dungeon. Also did this during ShB close to release.

I can call something whatever I want. The actual difficulty and complexity of mechanics is what is meaningful, not a title. I'll be impressed when they show something impressive. Not some PowerPoint slides.

I have been waning from the game, between IRL getting more difficult and raid burnout, with only the completely unexpected hit of the PvP rework getting me to resub at all.

But progression-difficulty dungeons? TAKE MY MONEY YOSHIP!!!

e: I really cannot state how excited I am for this. More so than any game announcement I can recall. Not even the countdown to Elden Ring. This is a huge sea-change in the developers' stance on light party content and stands a much better chance of retaining ex-WoW players like me who've been starving for a M+ analog.

YES!

I was quite pleasantly surprised by this, I was expecting the dungeons to be tied to the relics.
Savage dungeons sounds incredible and like a dream come true.

Knowing the devs I am sure they'll build on it in the future too so I think this is something that will have a bright future ahead of it if it works out.
More difficult dungeon content is something this game has sorely needed since forever I am super excited about this, easily the highlight of the live letter to me.

I am super excited about this 6.2 sounds incredible.
I actually like that they delayed the Savage tier with a week too, that means I don't have to rush the normal mode and can spend more time getting ready.
I want to prog it from day 1 this time.

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Originally Posted by Ryaze

And this is the warning players receive in Eureka Hydatos when they are ready to unlock BA. "Warning: The Baldesian Arsenal is an unimaginably punishing duty. Even the entry conditions will not be easily fulfilled, and emerging triumphant will require teamwork, tenacity, time, knowledge, courage, strength, and, not least of all, luck. Have you read and understood the warning?"

"Unimaginably punishing"? Sign me up. I expected some crazy stuff, not a simple dungeon with mob pulls easier than vanilla Wailing Caverns and with a few one-shots that are mechanically simple. And yea, I did it on release.

Delubrum Reginae (Savage) is called "savage" but anyone who has done it will tell you the bosses are far far closer to extreme difficulty if not easier. The only savage part about it is herding 47 ̶c̶a̶t̶s̶ players through a dungeon. Also did this during ShB close to release.

I can call something whatever I want. The actual difficulty and complexity of mechanics is what is meaningful, not a title. I'll be impressed when they show something impressive. Not some PowerPoint slides.

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I've done both BA and DRS. They are fun I agree I don't think they measure up to real savage content but hard to say what these will be like until they release it.

Honestly, I'm impressed. This live letter restored a lot of my confidence. The only thing they could've added for me would've been increased housing/apartment furniture caps, but even without that, it was incredible. Kudos to square, as someone who's regularly critical but knows when to give credit where it's due.

Yup. This is the kind of garbage that gets pumped out when they steal the money away from the game. Enjoy having nothing to do for the rest of the year. :rolleyes: /sarcasm/

Yay, Mythic+ in FFXIV.....
Ah well, Im just happy for more content, I almost dont care what it is, so long as I have more to do

Savage dungeons. Oh you mean WAR+WHM+SAM+BLM dungeons

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

New dungeon.
New trial.
New variant dungeon.
New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).
New raids.
New savage raids.
And a lot of other things such as popular quests and a beast tribe.
New relics.

But I have no doubt people on these forums will find a way to say there is less content.

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Savage raids aren’t new we always get those. We always get beast tribes. The only new thing here is criterion dungeons, and even then, look at stormblood where they gave us 4 relic zones, a deep dungeon, hard mode dungeons, and much more without having to cut things.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

This is what's actually new. You're welcome.

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No, the variant dungeons are also new. It's 3 new difficulty levels. It would have been simpler for them to be named Normal, Extreme and Savage.

Just because we normally get all of the other content I listed, doesn't meant that the content is not new. It is a new dungeon, it is a new set of savage raids and it is a new extreme trial.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

No, the variant dungeons are also new. It's 3 new difficulty levels. It would have been simpler for them to be named Normal, Extreme and Savage.

Just because we normally get all of the other content I listed, doesn't meant that the content is not new. It is a new dungeon, it is a new set of savage raids and it is a new extreme trial.

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It’s arbitrary to mention it though. It’s nothing new that we haven’t already gotten in the past. In that case stormblood still has the most content of any expansion lol. That’s like calling reused dungeon sets “new.”

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s arbitrary to mention it though. It’s nothing new that we haven’t already gotten in the past. In that case stormblood still has the most content of any expansion lol. That’s like calling reused dungeon sets “new.”

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No, it's not, because they are not reused. They are new.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

No, it's not, because they are not reused. They are new.

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So the 87 dungeon sets aren’t reused? The 83 dungeon sets don’t get reused? The 81 dungeon sets aren’t reused? Are we in different timelines perhaps? I’d love to join yours where we get unique dungeon gear more than we do now, or at the very least reused gear is dyable, of which the 87 dungeon gear is not and i don’t believe the 81 dungeon gear is either…

If I get a new t-shirt it's still new, no matter how many t-shirts I've had before. The dungeon, trial and raid are all still new even if they were expected.

I'm not really able to build hype around anything that was revealed, mostly because I'm cautious about the "idea" of content vs what is actually provided. I suppose that would make me a doomsayer for a few people.
On the other hand, I find it funny that, predictably, once content does seem to be provided, the whiteknights are in full force in trying to immediately antagonize any potential naysayers. I guess poking the bear is a universal past time.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

I'm not really able to build hype around anything that was revealed, mostly because I'm cautious about the "idea" of content vs what is actually provided. I suppose that would make me a doomsayer for a few people.
On the other hand, I find it funny that, predictably, once content does seem to be provided, the whiteknights are in full force in trying to immediately antagonize any potential naysayers. I guess poking the bear is a universal past time.

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I'm definitely not hyped per say, but I am taking the cautiously optimistic approach until we know more. 6.1 left a very sour taste in my mouth, so I will likely not be excited about anything again anytime soon as far as this game goes.

People seem to be forgetting that this is one of the longest patch cycles to come, too. It's been 5 months. Of course there'd be 'more content'.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

No, the variant dungeons are also new. It's 3 new difficulty levels. It would have been simpler for them to be named Normal, Extreme and Savage.

Just because we normally get all of the other content I listed, doesn't meant that the content is not new. It is a new dungeon, it is a new set of savage raids and it is a new extreme trial.

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What he means is that content that is new to the normal patch cycles. here me out. We already know that we get a new dungeon always tied to the story, a new trial, etc. all we get is the same old things that no one is surprised about them, however adding the savage dungeons that we have been waiting for and after many interviews with streamers we finally getting this after they said they could not "implement" is something new that might help with the down time in major cycle

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

New dungeon.
New trial.
New variant dungeon.
New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).
New raids.
New savage raids.
And a lot of other things such as popular quests and a beast tribe.
New relics.

But I have no doubt people on these forums will find a way to say there is less content.

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The only new content is the criterion and variant dungeons from the norm patch content to be fair, remains to be seen if these will be challenging/long lasting content however

Oh I can see the party finders now for the savage dungeons. Pre-reqs. Must have top gear, best weapon, patience, die twice and you’re out, oh and certain log numbers required. Oh and only these specific jobs.

I’m excited for these party finder requirements. They gone be hilarious.

Anyway, that aside. I am excited. Been wanting harder dungeons forever now. Glad FFXIV is dipping their toes in it. TyTy.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

What he means is that content that is new to the normal patch cycles. here me out. We already know that we get a new dungeon always tied to the story, a new trial, etc. all we get is the same old things that no one is surprised about them

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I know what was meant, but it doesn't change the fact that the content is new. It's not a new content type, but to ignore the fact that it is new artwork, new fights, new models and new level design is unfair. People's complacency and bitterness has caused them to overlook the fact that the content they are used to getting is still new. New content is good.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Oh I can see the party finders now for the savage dungeons. Pre-reqs. Must have top gear, best weapon, patience, die twice and you’re out, oh and certain log numbers required. Oh and only these specific jobs.

I’m excited for these party finder requirements. They gone be hilarious.

Anyway, that aside. I am excited. Been wanting harder dungeons forever now. Glad FFXIV is dipping their toes in it. TyTy.

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Don't forget

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Watch guide before joining

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Don't forget

Skoodlebob strat
Foodidily doo flex only
Watch guide before joining

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Oh yeah remember “Skip soar of disband” lol

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Of course, there is. We got fewer dungeons, and no exploration zones like Eureka or Bozja,

Come on, this is where we use small samples of content to make our point and subsequently ignore newer areas of content because it doesn't conform to the narrative. (If it isn't obvious I am being sarcastic with the above)

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Read my posts if you doubt this, but I'm not one of the naysayers. But to be fair, exploration/field/open world content like Eureak/Bozja is honestly my favorite content in the game. I feel it has the most replayability of any zones in the game. Once you've cleared MSQ in normal zones, the only thing to go back for is you want to level using FATE's (you can do this in Bozja instead anyway from 71-90), want to collect Bicolor gemstones (I'm sitting on 1,000 right now as it is - the cap is WAY too low for me to want to do that, and I have no idea why the cap is that low or they aren't a token item I can stack in my inventory instead), or are doing Hunt Trains (I do the marathon post-reset each week to cap tomes for the week then pretty much just relayed S Ranks that spawn on my server to slowly work towards the achievements - and the spawns on those have pretty long CDs). If you're a completionist, you can clear every single sidequest...but let's be honest, NO ONE clears every single sidequest, and that's a one-time thing you can't do again and again anyway outside of NG+ MSQ. Then you can MIN/BOT/FSH, but the really good stuff is all on timed nodes.

There's nothing you can really work towards for character progression in terms of all the things I care about - gear, minion collecting, and mount collecting - that's really repeatable in most normal zones. All of that stuff is relegated to instanced content, not the open world.

Then you have exploration zones. These tend to have a ton of things to get. There are mounts, minions, and gear. Off the top of my head, Bozja has 3 gear sets, and two of them upgrade with specialized Bozja stats. There's around half a dozen mounts and at least that many minions, several emotes, lore notes to gather, and the Relic weapons, which have four stages/different models for glam. And if you've done all that, some of the stuff you can farm you can also MB, like the hairstyles, mounts, and minions, cosmetic gear (not that anyone REALLY wants a dozen corsages, but some people do actually buy the things on the MB), the stuff you can buy with clusters, and people will even buy Lost Action items. You can also use Bozja to level alt Jobs, and to get decent level 80 gear that also often makes good glam options for 90, 100, and so on.

So in terms of just raw replayability, exploration content does have that more than honestly any other content in the game.

I feel like the Island Sanctuary is going to try to fill this void, but I'm not sure it will because I'm not sure it will have the "farm for profit" or "get serviceable current end-game gear". And by "not sure", I mean "pretty sure it won't", especially on the gear.

The bigger issue is that part of the replayability of Bozja/Eureka is the social experience, pick-up-groups, etc, and IS won't have those things going for it.

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So I'm not a naysayer, and I am cautiously optimistic, and I get these forums are a "maximum negative" (a guy is trying to say Yoshi P insulted people by joking we'd fill up 800 glam slots) and so on. But I am a bit sore about the loss of an Exploration zone, since that honestly IS my favorite content in this game. :(

But I'll wait for IS and Hildi's Relics and see how I like them.

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Though I do agree that the people trying to doomsay everything are grumpy guses that are choosing to be grumpy. "It's not new unless it's an entirely new TYPE of content they've never done before"? Really? That's a ridiculous metric, especially for patch (rather than new expansion, where things can be more extensively reworked) release. Look at any major MMO and their patches. They seldom add entirely new TYPES of content, and when they do it within an expansion, it's OFTEN relatively minor things like a "selfie-stick camera".

And people aren't "white knights" if they merely disagree with you. Some of you folks seem to live under perpetual doomclouds.

We're getting new content, it IS new content, that much is clear. Whether everyone will like it or not, that's more up for debate. Like I don't enjoy stuff like Farmville and have never played Animal Crossing, so I haven't been excited for Island Sanctuary at any point up to now. It seems we may be getting it INSTEAD OF social exploration/field zones like Eureka/Bozja which I love, which kind of frustrates me.

...but I'm also willing to wait until it comes out and give it a try. It may turn out I hate it, but it could also turn out to be something I enjoy. There has been stuff added to the game before I didn't think I'd be interested in but that turned out to be pretty fun. There are other things they added that I'm still not interested in to this day. But that's the nature of the beast. Poisoning the well with pre-disappointment, then being disappointed when it comes out because you primed yourself to be, is a pretty sorry way to live your life. If you're feeling that, it might be time to take a step back, take a breath, and come back with fresh eyes.

Especially since this patch has ARGUABLY something for everyone. Even Eureka/Bozja lovers MIGHT get something they enjoy from IS. And at the very least, will give us some new things to farm now that we're all capped on Astronomy Tomes/gear and have all been farming at least part of Pande Savage for 6 months now.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

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Hang on a second... I said my post was sarcastic and thus not really designed to be taken seriously. The response was actually a parodying of responses that the poster will receive as a result, and gauging by some of the posts it was a fairly accurate portrayal.

In fact, my opinion is actually quite contrasting. I've been playing since early HW and I still have a bulk of content that I wish to do and still need to do, and that is even taking into account an ungodly amount of playtime across my characters.

Some people are just simply unable to cope with the fact that a statement or opinion will typically incite a response that is contradictory or opposing to the views made. This is in response to the 'white knight' comment, by the way. Case in point, people are more inclined to lob around insults as opposed to address remarks being made, and this runs really rampant

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Originally Posted by hydralus

People seem to be forgetting that this is one of the longest patch cycles to come, too. It's been 5 months. Of course there'd be 'more content'.

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6.1 was on April 11. August will be.... July, June May... Ffffff.... our. We just hit July, so we're almost at five (three, sir) three! :rolleyes:

btw, I think something was said back before EW that there would be a little extra time during the summer and winter for breaks.. cause these are human beings after all.

For those dreading party finder, there's good news about doing hard content with fewer players (in this case only 4): it's way, way easier to accumulate enough actual friends and acquaintances to do it compared to raid bosses.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

New dungeon.
New trial.
New variant dungeon.
New criterion dungeon.
New criterion dungeon (savage).
New raids.
New savage raids.
And a lot of other things such as popular quests and a beast tribe.
New relics.

But I have no doubt people on these forums will find a way to say there is less content.

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Island Sanctuaries
New Unreal trial
New PVP Season (probably with new arenas?)

And stack that on top of 6.1 features for the average player that didn't do all of them fully yet.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Savage dungeon, let's go! SE is adding something that I can actually be excited about.

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I'm bringing my AST out of retirement. *cracks knuckles*

NO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT ITS STILL BAD FOR US HEALERS, LET ME BELIEVE IT IS GOOD

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

6.1 was on April 11. August will be.... July, June May... Ffffff.... our. We just hit July, so we're almost at five (three, sir) three! :rolleyes:

btw, I think something was said back before EW that there would be a little extra time during the summer and winter for breaks.. cause these are human beings after all.

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You make a fair point with the summer break and they definitely deserve time off, but I was just saying it's not surprising to get more content with more time. But I didn't factor in break time.