Dalamud impact / Odin.

Aww, it's a shame you're not on Excalibur. :( Sorry to hear that.

Well, I'm mostly going off of van Darnus and van Baelsar talking about how they somehow already used Dalamud as a weapon, decades ago, and it tore a huge chunk out of reality somewhere presumably on the Garlean continent; it wasn't supposed to, it overfired, a weapons test gone wrong, and a lot of Garleans (I believe including Cid's father) basically went "Now we're all sons of bitches" and quit working on the technology.

I don't think 'meteor' necessarily implies it'll impact- and if a celestial object the size of Dalamud actually did literally collide with the planet's surface, I don't see how life could possibly survive anywhere on Hydaelyn. That said, I think ridiculously strong tidal forces -as well as- mystical bullshit from the Allagan machine are going to be the actual cause of the reshaping of Eorzea.

Maybe orbital bombardment?

*Looks at the Black Shroud...* One can always, you know, hope.

This has happened before in the past. The meteor did hit ground and nobody said anything about any monsters coming out of it. If Odin comes out of it, he should already be here from the last time it hit.

The one thing it fails to explain though, is why Garuda mentions that Dalamud drawing nearer saps the crystals powers.

Logically, Primals are fueled by the the crystals, and if Odin is a primal, he wouldn't derive his power from Dalamud.
Unless, the sundering of Dalamud (which was soley created to diminish Odin's power) fully unleashes him on Eorzea, or, another possibility is that the Primals themselves summon Odin to shatter Dalamud to free them from their bind.
Hmmm....Primals summoning an Elder Primal, I rather like that idea.

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Originally Posted by Merylstryfe

The one thing it fails to explain though, is why Garuda mentions that Dalamud drawing nearer saps the crystals powers.

Logically, Primals are fueled by the the crystals, and if Odin is a primal, he wouldn't derive his power from Dalamud.
Unless, the sundering of Dalamud (which was soley created to diminish Odin's power) fully unleashes him on Eorzea, or, another possibility is that the Primals themselves summon Odin to shatter Dalamud to free them from their bind.
Hmmm....Primals summoning an Elder Primal, I rather like that idea.

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Nah, the reason that "Dalamud" is sapping the Eikon's of their aetheric energy is because the Empire is using it to control Dalamud. During their last experiment with the lesser moon they destroyed the "antenna" that allowed them to control Dalamud's orbit/descent and so Nael van Darnus is using large amounts of energy to direct it's general positioning instead and draw it towards Eorzea.

In other words, what is sapping the crystal's energy from the primals is actually Nael van Darnus. (As witnessed by the fact that he has the ability to absorb aetheric energy with his spear as he did with the Aetherial Gate after you defeat Ifrit)

wonder if wandering odin = darkrider in ffxi ?

Perhaps the other primals will actually save Eorzea by halting Dalamud's descent, and form a grudging alliance with the woken races. Something to the effect of 'if you can prove your strength then we will assist you', hence the player companies commanding primals in 2.0.

As for Odin though... i get the same feeling, that Dalamud is his prison, and in stopping dalamud, he'll be set free and begin working on forming a ragnarok, a great war without end to entertain him.

After all, he didn't just play to the good guys in XI, it was revealed that he was directly responsible for the shadow lord, after he gave Roagrimm his power, and again, for Lillith, when he gave her the same power. He was manipulating every corner.

Have a strange feeling: while looking at the concept art of 2.0 you'll notice that the aetherial crystals are being pulled upwards, what if Dalamud gets close enough to effect the landscape but doesn't actully hit? Like as it enters the atmosphere it opens and releases Odin... 1.23 can't get here soon enough ><

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Have a strange feeling: while looking at the concept art of 2.0 you'll notice that the aetherial crystals are being pulled upwards, what if Dalamud gets close enough to effect the landscape but doesn't actully hit? Like as it enters the atmosphere it opens and releases Odin... 1.23 can't get here soon enough ><

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That's interesting. It's plausible but I wonder WHERE it'll actually hit... The 2.0 landscape kind of implies it'll affect all of Eorzea, but is it that big or will most of the changes come from an effect like the one you explained.

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This has happened before in the past. The meteor did hit ground and nobody said anything about any monsters coming out of it. If Odin comes out of it, he should already be here from the last time it hit.

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Are you talking about the Bozja Citadel? Dalamud didn't hit the planet then, probably something went wrong with the machines that were supposed to control Dalamud, maybe a safeguard the Allags built in went off and wiped the whole facility. There is a mentioning of Dalamud becoming red for a brief period of time in the past, that must be when Garleans tried to control it.

If Dalamud had really struck the planet back then, we'd have the same massive geographical changes that are going to come with 2.0. And people would remember that, yet it's not mentioned anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Are you talking about the Bozja Citadel? Dalamud didn't hit the planet then, probably something went wrong with the machines that were supposed to control Dalamud, maybe a safeguard the Allags built in went off and wiped the whole facility. There is a mentioning of Dalamud becoming red for a brief period of time in the past, that must be when Garleans tried to control it.

If Dalamud had really struck the planet back then, we'd have the same massive geographical changes that are going to come with 2.0. And people would remember that, yet it's not mentioned anywhere.

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Well i'm not much of a lore person but i swear a npc says Thanalan use to be an forest very much like the black shroud.

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Well i'm not much of a lore person but i swear a npc says Thanalan use to be an forest very much like the black shroud.

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Yes, but that's unrelated to Dalamud or Bozja Citadel somewhere on Garlemald (sp?). I remember that being mentioned in one of the Botanist quests. For some reason the water under Thanalan is being drained by something, thus causing desertification.

It's not something Dalamud dropping would do.

Bozja Citadel! That's the name I was trying to remember upthread. :D

And yeah I don't even think Dalamud got -close- that time; that catastrophe had something to do with the Allagan system for controlling Dalamud, the Garleans did a weapons-test with it and it pulled the entire citadel into the Void.

Good times.

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Bozja Citadel! That's the name I was trying to remember upthread. :D

And yeah I don't even think Dalamud got -close- that time; that catastrophe had something to do with the Allagan system for controlling Dalamud, the Garleans did a weapons-test with it and it pulled the entire citadel into the Void.

Good times.

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That's got to go down as one of Hydelin's greatest 'oops' moments.

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That's got to go down as one of Hydelin's greatest 'oops' moments.

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An intern: "Hey guys, what's that red button for?"
Some MAD SCIENTIST: "Don't touch that!"
Intern: "Oops."

"A blemish on Garlean legacy", indeed.

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I'm trying to find sauce on Odin as a wandering Primal who gets stronger every time he's defeated; I -distinctly- recall hearing the current dev team mentioning this but I can't find a reference for the life of me.

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It is in the systems and content PDF for 2.0, last page last panel:

Wandering Odin primal, who grows in strength and drops greater treasures with each defeat.

Even if Odin is a Primal, since XI was used as an example earlier take it further into consideration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYc5rh1idBA

If as theorized that the Vans are Odin's "Knights", he doesn't particularly need to derive power from the crystals/aether like other primals, he can drive his power from the amount of 'Knights' he has under his control, especially since as said, in XI he creates pacts/use strong people (especially those with a taste for revenge/undying rage/unbending will to destroy) which was seen in ToAU and WoTG.

Source: in game text.

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Nael Van Darnus: Such depth! Such sublimity! Rapture! Complete and perfect rapture!
Gaius Van Baelsar: Perfect? Do you not remember? That day ten years ago was an utter failure─a blemish on the legacy of Garlemald. We learned then we could not control where Dalamud would fall. That is why Meteor was abandoned.

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Regarding the quote above, I quote a speculation from a member of my linkshell

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With this bit of information, I think it'd be safe to speculate that 10 years ago, during the Battle of Silvertear Falls, Garlemald was attempting to bring Dalamud down. The dragons fought against them to prevent this, and ultimately stopped it from happening, but in the process also awakened the primals. The primals may also be connected to Dalamud in some way as well, but that's less clear.

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Which leads to my next quote.

Source: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ndex.html#news

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Ever since Dalamud began taking on a crimson hue, countless theories have been in circulation seeking to explain the anomaly. A great many believe that Menphina's hound is bathed in the blood of a vile fiend who had designs upon his mistress's life, even as others swear that the changes portend the Seventh Umbral Era. Yet another theory, originating from the Holy See of Ishgard, claims that the phenomenon signals the awakening of the great wyrm Nidhogg, who has lain in deep slumber for the past two decades.

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I'll let you all speculate on this; but the events link and make sense, the Battle of Silvertear Falls with the dragons, Nidhogg (the wyrm king) being put into slumber and not awakening until he senses Dalamuds approach once more.

Also the primals link to Dalamud is there, as Garuda's power from the crystals is sucked up to Dalamud when you defeat her.

Looking at Dalmund, it's shape really appears similar to Alexander.


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._of_Bab-Il.jpg

Maybe it's the Holy Machine God crammed in there. It'd be like the Garleans to build or summon a powerful machine, and then realise, oops it's too powerful, let's seal it in space until we learn how to control it. Divine Judgement is gonna suck...


Here's a little Wiki Lore for you as well

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Housed on the Red Moon, the Giant of Babil is summoned to the Earth by gathering the Crystals at the Tower of Babil to activate a dimensional elevator. The connection with Alexander is cemented by the battle with Proto-Babil in the DS release, which uses Divine Judgment, Alexander's signature attack.

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Just wanted to add: Thanks OP and others. Loving this Thread!!! ^^

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24666928/21206492.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/25Qnh.jpg

I think odin's theme should be This :D

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Originally Posted by Yorii

I think odin's theme should be This :D

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This is so epic i coul-HNNNNNNNNG!

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I don't know. I think impact'll happen.

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I think in order to have a more total land mass change it would be more likely that we as advenurers/heros would infact detonate Dalamund pre impact, thus sending pieces falling across the contient, which would give a better background for all the areas changing instead of a giant crater.

And if your Odin premise is correct then in order to save our land, we would infact destroy his prison pre-impact, thus loosing him on ourselves.

I just don't find the idea of a complete and intact Dalamund crashing into the world making the same changes previewed as many pieces of it falling everywhere, possibly changing the flow of Aether everywhere and thus making widespread and chaotic changes. (yet it seems, luckily leaving the 3 major city-states practicly unchanged)

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I think in order to have a more total land mass change it would be more likely that we as advenurers/heros would infact detonate Dalamund pre impact, thus sending pieces falling across the contient, which would give a better background for all the areas changing instead of a giant crater.

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That's why I am suggesting Alexander is in Dalmund. Because the land mass changes could be caused by

Divine Judgement -dun dun dun.

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That's why I am suggesting Alexander is in Dalmund. Because the land mass changes could be caused by

Divine Judgement -dun dun dun.

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We better start searching for that Invincible then...

Sorry to revive what's probably an old thread, but has anyone seen the 1.22b cutscenes? I'm watching them on youtube and I'm even more convinced Odin's a part of this now after seeing them.

Yup, I just did the Castrum Novum quest last night with my LS, and the whole time, I was just grinning like an idiot. :D The cutscenes were so awesome, too!

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Regarding the quote above, I quote a speculation from a member of my linkshell

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They should know in addition, when they tried to summon Meteor the first time a city was completely wiped out.