Warrior Material

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

I've never said that War abilties are useless. I'm saying that when you compare War damage to DD class damage it's a lot lower. Mighty Strikes does not miraculously increase War damage output so that it's suddenly on par with DD classes.

Frein listed abilities that DRG DD had over War. Why didn't she list Godsbane & Steelcyclone? Actually she did: Drg has a better WS arsenal. Meaning DRG ws > WAR ws.

You are the one focusing on single things Molly. Like Godsbane, so I gave you a single focus example with DragonKick. Frein was focussing on the total package and you nit-picked.

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I'm not focussing on a sigle skill, you are. You compared godsbane to dragonkick. You can't do that because the total dmg output from a given class is a combined total of all the skills available to them. You cannot compare a single weaponskill on DRG to a single weaponskill on WAR and say DRG is better. You can't even say that single skill is better. You cannot create a 1:1 list and cross off abilities because the 'comparable' ability is better on one class vs the other, that's not taking the greater picture into account. You also cannot ignore secondary effects granted by combos, because it adds to the total DMG output for that class.

Now, to justify my addition of mighty strikes, it increases your damage output for a short amount of time. Godsbane does the same thing when used in a combo, albeit to a lesser extent, as does steel cyclone when used in a combo. You cannot ignore the increased damage of the critical hits following such attacks.

All that being said, DRG more than likely can do more damage than WAR as DD. My issue lies with the method of comparison. A list of skills is no proper test. Lets see parse results and empirical data, please.

There's no point Molly. He won't give up.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I'm not focussing on a sigle skill, you are. You compared godsbane to dragonkick. You can't do that because the total dmg output from a given class is a combined total of all the skills available to them. You cannot compare a single weaponskill on DRG to a single weaponskill on WAR and say DRG is better. You can't even say that single skill is better. You cannot create a 1:1 list and cross off abilities because the 'comparable' ability is better on one class vs the other, that's not taking the greater picture into account. You also cannot ignore secondary effects granted by combos, because it adds to the total DMG output for that class.

Now, to justify my addition of mighty strikes, it increases your damage output for a short amount of time. Godsbane does the same thing when used in a combo, albeit to a lesser extent, as does steel cyclone when used in a combo. You cannot ignore the increased damage of the critical hits following such attacks.

All that being said, DRG more than likely can do more damage than WAR as DD. My issue lies with the method of comparison. A list of skills is no proper test. Lets see parse results and empirical data, please.

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When I said better WS arsenal, I obviously assume you're going to use combos. Perhaps I should have said "better combo arsenal"? DRG combos produce more damage output than WAR combos do and are also more suitable for attacking from behind and the flanks. Godsbane has a crit mod, sure, that's included in my argument and it's still worse than DRG finishers even though it's the most powerful WAR DD WS. What makes you think I'd even imagine considering a WS without its combo(s)? Give me some credit. Besides, many DRG WS also have a crit mod. I also include the DRG's use of Keen Flurry in my "better WS arsenal" argument.

Mighty Strikes makes a very minor impact on your overall damage output during a typical gaming session. Crits in FFXIV are quite weak (only +15% damage) unless massively boosted by liberal use of Crit Potency, the duration is very short and the cooldown extremely long. It is simply a non-factor, which is why I didn't list it. I also didn't list the DRG 15 min ability, Dragonfire Dive, even though it likely deals more damage than Mighty Strikes does.

The list comaprison method is fine for making a qualitative, not a quantitative estimate. I can't tell exactly by how much DRG outdamages WAR, but I can very easily tell that it does, and most likely by a rather fair margin. This observation is supported by my in-game experiences of playing as both jobs.

A list of skills is a pretty good test, especially when you're comparing exactly what tools they have for DD. The simple thing I'm going to get across here is that DRG has more opportunities to do its crazy levels of damage.

WAR's WS loadout:
Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Steel Cyclone (WAR)
Brutal Swing (Side) -> Maim -> Godsbane
Path of the Storm (Back) -> Whirlwind
Overpower
Fracture
Mighty Strikes (WAR)

DRG's WS loadout:
True Thrust -> Heavy Thrust
True Thrust -> Leg Sweep -> Doom Spike
Vorpal Thrust (Back) -> Impulse Drive (Side) -> Chaos Thrust
Vorpal Thrust (Back) -> Ring of Talons (DRG)
Feint -> Disembowel (DRG)
Full Thrust
Jump
Dragonfire Dive (DRG)

What restricts DoW classes/jobs from going all out on DPS is a combination of TP generation and cooldowns. In general, the more time there is between your large damage WSes due to either them being on cooldown or you not having enough TP due to misses/waiting for swings, the lower your overall DPS. This is vastly more true on high damage mobs (Ifrit) and much less so on trash mobs/lower DEF bosses.

WAR's tools for damage are simple. Three attack trees: front, back, side, with 30s/60s/80s cooldowns on the combo enders respectively. Two of them end in AoEs, which is good times since SE makes us fight multiple mobs on more than one occasion. Then there's Overpower and Fracture, which are good in a TP-to-Damage-ratio but only occur when the WAR has hate, because they're being attacked. I suppose you could do something like keep a lesser mob alive and attacking you from the front in order to keep procing Fracture (40s cooldown) or Overpower (5s, much better) but in the latter situation, the lesser mob may die before long due to being hit that much! Berserk has been granted a buff lately, and I'm curious on how its actual numbers parse these days. I wish I knew- these days when I go WAR it's always as the main tank. Still, I pop Mighty Strikes whenever I go for a Godsbane combo, keeping me at full health.

DRG has, simply put, more tools for damage. It doesn't have a combo that starts from the side, only front and back. By comparison, however, it has four combo ending moves: Heavy Thrust, Doomspike, Chaos Thrust, and Ring of Talons on 20s/60s/80s/60s timers. Feint and Full Thrust proc on misses, something that can and will naturally happen on any content since 100% ACC is impossible- though since the removal of ACC penalties on DRG WSes, doing a multihit and counting on a miss to go immediately into Feint->Disembowel is no longer an option (a DRG in my LS was slightly saddened by this). Disembowel is technically another end to a combo, 30s, but of course it all has to begin with a miss. Jump is free damage/TP every 60s. Dragonfire Dive is okay. At least Power Surge's buff can be and has been numerically tracked-- something like +300 attack power? Definitely something worth keeping up.

However, DRG also has Keen Flurry, which helps reduce the problem of cooldowns restricting your DPS, as well as Invigorate, which reduces the problem of 'not enough TP.' And then there's Blood for Blood which gives free damage every 45s, 60s on a sub. I'm half-convinced that if you wanted to DD as WAR that you should go MRD instead just to get those three moves for Godsbane and Whirlwind.

Hilariously, MNK's loadout of WS cooldowns looks much like WARs, but I don't think anyone here is going to argue that MNK can easily be overtaken by a WAR.

Since this thread wasn't meant to be a comparison of WAR to DRG, lets get back on topic. We should be discussing how to make the best WAR DD (or tank for that matter) possible rather than comparing to another class.

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Originally Posted by Hachi-Roku

I'm half-convinced that if you wanted to DD as WAR that you should go MRD instead just to get those three moves for Godsbane and Whirlwind.

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By doing that, you'd lose out on +20 crit rate, that works out to about a 4% reduction in in the number of crits. Is it worth it? Maybe. In addition to the reduction in the number of crits, you also lose out on aoe on MRD, so it would really depend on what you're fighting.

Just so long as we're not drinking the kool-aid as to how MRD/WAR's damage output is in relation to other classes.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

By doing that, you'd lose out on +20 crit rate, that works out to about a 4% reduction in in the number of crits. Is it worth it? Maybe. In addition to the reduction in the number of crits, you also lose out on aoe on MRD, so it would really depend on what you're fighting.

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Does going WAR give you +20 crit rate? Honest question, I honestly don't know if this is true or what.

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Originally Posted by Hachi-Roku

Just so long as we're not drinking the kool-aid as to how MRD/WAR's damage output is in relation to other classes.

Does going WAR give you +20 crit rate? Honest question, I honestly don't know if this is true or what.

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If you are wearing the WAR af hat and pants, then yes each gives you +10 crit rate. IMO, the af hat is the best piece for the slot for a WAR DD, and the pants are damn close if you don't have some pants with double melded Ironman's will IV. (That synth eludes me like the Loch Ness Monster.) You could make that up by melding crit rate materia to some pants, but I don't like to rely on items that expensive in my build theories.

To be fair the WAR AF head is really good and most head slots for WAR, regardless of DD or tanking, are pretty lame due to lack of good materia choices. On the flip side, while I know the formula for crit rate has changed, I don't know if the crit damage calculations have changed at all, or if everyone is still getting around +15% damage to crits without gearing for it. Even then, that's not really something you can gear for without giving up your body slot which should have either HP or VIT in it, or your Axe slot which should either be a Primal weapon or have +emnity (or +attack power if you're DD).

I'm not going to sweat losing around 4% to do +15% damage, even when crits heal me, because I normally crit on the big WSes as it is either tanking or DDing (Blindside).

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Originally Posted by Hachi-Roku

To be fair the WAR AF head is really good and most head slots for WAR, regardless of DD or tanking, are pretty lame due to lack of good materia choices. On the flip side, while I know the formula for crit rate has changed, I don't know if the crit damage calculations have changed at all, or if everyone is still getting around +15% damage to crits without gearing for it. Even then, that's not really something you can gear for without giving up your body slot which should have either HP or VIT in it, or your Axe slot which should either be a Primal weapon or have +emnity (or +attack power if you're DD).

I'm not going to sweat losing around 4% to do +15% damage, even when crits heal me, because I normally crit on the big WSes as it is either tanking or DDing (Blindside).

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Honestly, I'd only put HP on a chest piece for tanking. For DD you can most certainly choose crit attack power over VIT or HP, or even do a combination of VIT and crit attack power. If you're going DD, VIT is less of a concern, because damage mitigation is not your primary objective when choosing gear. But that's not to ignore the added damage you get from stacking VIT. I'm guessing that since savage might materia has such large numbers on it that it could amount to more damage than you would gain from VIT. I'd be interested in seeing some comparisons and actual parse results though.

*edit: with some quick math, I think that the 4% reduction in the number of crits (from using mrd over war) amounts to a .6% reduction your total damage output assuming there is no change in crit potency or other stats. Can you easily make up for that .6% damage reduction by stacking ironman's will on your pants? Probably, but in that case maybe it's better to just use those pants on WAR.

I'm fairly certain I can make up .6% of my overall DPS by putting an Ironman's Will I single meld on my pants, c'mon now.

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Originally Posted by Hachi-Roku

I'm fairly certain I can make up .6% of my overall DPS by putting an Ironman's Will I single meld on my pants, c'mon now.

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My point was really that it's probably better just to use pants with Ironman's Will on war than switch to MRD. I was kinda thinking out loud. In that scenario, the reduction of damage by not wearing the af pants is only .3% (because you'd still have the hat), and you would definitely gain that back with Ironman's will. You'd also not lose out on AOE damage that you would by going MRD.

Going MRD, in addition to Keen Flurry, Blood for Blood, and Invigorate, you can also slot Leg Sweep for a not-as-good-but-still-there AoE that has 30s cooldown and 1000 TP cost. Granted, it's not comboable, but MRD/WAR only has so many ways to spend their TP as it is. The best way to get AoEs going nuts on WAR is Overpower spam provided you have enough enemies procing parry and feeding you enough TP to do so, anyway, and then it's just a matter of positioning.

I'm not saying a cross-class Leg Sweep is as good as a raw Steel Cyclone, nor that SC is bad and can be completely replaced by Overpower in even certain circumstances, but that the sacrifices involved will give substantial boost to ST damage. You basically become a LNC with two more AoEs (Overpower, Whirlwind), less attack power, and 2k more HP, hahaha.

Honestly, now I'm genuinely curious on how this will work out in the field. I'll give it a shot over a week or two.

What do you guys think about going this route for DD?

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VIT


Head

WAR AF (no good materia for war head)


Body

Savage Might (Crit Attack)


Hands

STR


Waist

*Sanguinary Might Materia


Legs

Ironman's Will (+ STR/VIT)


Feet

Explorer's Moccasins (attk power +5, Crit rate +30)


*Without the expensive materia on the belt, you can gain a bit more crit rate with an explorer's belt.




With this, I'd recommend focusing as much as possible on crit rate. Use the Explorer's Choker, Imperial Operative Wristlets, an Electrum Ring +1, an Amber ring +1. If possible, triple meld STR to your hands, and triple meld VIT to a demilune buhj (for the +12 crit rate). You can either go with a darksteel hauby or if that's too expensive, a cobalt hauby for the chest piece.

I'm working on getting some more gear for the above build, I don't have an axe with VIT on it yet, but I think VIT is the way to go with this build. Currently without the axe or amber ring +1 (I have a rubellite ring +1 instead atm), I'm sitting on 327 STR and 279 VIT. My pants could also be improved quite a bit to allow me to to swap my rubellite ring for the amber one. Ideally, I want 320ish STR and 320ish VIT, and will have a staggering amount of crit rate boost (+87 to be exact, or roughly a 13.4% boost in crit rate.) That much of a boost to crits should put me at around 1 crit per every 5 swings, which is not insignificant at all, especially given crit attack power on the chest piece/belt.

You need to take stat caps into account. If you're not hitting ~345 STR and ~305 VIT, then you need to work on that first (why are you settling for 320 each? do you not know that's irrelevant?). Double meld VIT in body slot. The critical hit potency garbage isn't getting you anywhere (placebo effects actually don't count btw). Imperial Operative Bracelets = garbage too. Get a Rubellite Bracelet/+1. Triple meld STR on your hands as suggested (shoot for around +40) and wear STR rings (hence the VIT melds on body: Cobalt Hauby). In your waist slot, keep it simple and get a veteran's field belt.

Axe with VIT is unecessary. Build a good enough group to get a moogle or garuda weapon. Accuracy is your best bet in the weapon slot since you don't want to waste time and money putting it on hands. Electrum rings are good to have on hand for swaps but keep in mind you can eat food that provides +34 accuracy (just 2 short of 2 HQ electrum rings), while you cannot get more than like 9 strength from food (and even if it's higher than that, it's nowhere near +36 you get from using 2 rubellite rings+1).

You can't look at gear as slot-for-slot. It must be considered as a complete set. Plan ahead and play to a jobs' strengths, but don't sacrifice to get something you only think is better, like crit power on warrior, unless bonuses like that come attached to others that help (ie. garuda weapons).

Here's my DPS loadout if that helps [useful stats]...

WEAPON: Garuda's Scream
HEAD: Paragon's Crown (work on this, it's an amazing piece of gear)
BODY: Cobalt Haubergeon [VIT+25 total]
HANDS: Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets [STR+40 total]
LEGS: Felt Trousers [STR+18/VIT+20 total]
FEET: Cobalt Sollerets [HP+100, optional tbh]
WAIST: Veteran's Field Belt
EARS: Explorer's Earring
NECK: Electrum Gorget +1 / Explorer's Choker (swap by situation)
WRISTS: Rubellite Bracelets +1
L.RING: Rubellite Ring +1
R.RING: Explorer's Ring / Electrum Ring +1 (see below)

Foods: Smoked Raptor (attack+41) / Mugwort Carp (accuracy+24)

Relevant stat totals: STR 345 / VIT 312 / Attack 536 / Accuracy 380 (while solo)

As you can see, no easy feat to get some of these melds, but well worth it in the end (plus I have stuff to sell as I replace it with Darklight). I am stat capped for my weapon and that is the first priority. You'll want to have an explorer's choker and at least one electrum ring +1 on hand for high-accuracy situations such as Garuda. The advantage to the way I melded stuff is that I was able to utilize an explorer's ring for extra attack in my build. This also has the secondary advantage of allowing me to swap out that slot for another +18 accuracy without changing my stats around. Similar logic is used in neck slot.

I'm not sure what got lost in translation after stat cap information was posted, but it seems many people are unaware how to gear themselves properly. I didn't really find the information confusing and thought it was rather straightforward.

I have triple melded STR on my hands for 41 STR already. I've got Paragon's crown, but am less than impressed with it, tbh. I've got a Cobalt Cuirass +1 with 31 VIT on it, as well. For a DD build the HP on the Cobalt Sollerets doesn't buy me anything at all, so it's not even going to be considered. I have double melded sentinel's sabatons with 18 magic evasion and 87 HP, they are fine for tanking, but not so great for a crit build. Let me be clear, that's what I want out of this, a crit based armor set.

I want to put the VIT on my axe to make room for crit attk on my chest. (All I'm doing there is making room for another stat that will up my total damage output.) If you take that into account, you'll notice that I have considered all my gear as a set. I have the moogle axe currently, but I think I can get more damage output with the setup I listed above. I think the only real take away for me from your suggestions is to possibly try using another electrum ring +1 instead of a STR or VIT ring to make up for not using the moogle axe. With my suggested setup, what I'm basically doing is trading +3 crit rate and the self healing from the moogle axe for (currently) 56 crit attack power on my chest piece, and eventually some crit attack power on my belt. I'm also attempting to support the crit attack power by adding crit rate everywhere I can, effectively raising my crit rate to 20%. The reason I want to focus on crits is to, for one, prove to myself if it's viable or not to do so. I think with a 20% crit rate, it very well may be.

I can prove it to you -- it's not. Don't gear for something that is meaningless on end game mobs. If you want to double-VIT an axe to get crit on body, and that can maintain stat caps, go for it. I guess the logic there would be "better to have it than not have it", but the numbers don't really show it being all that great of an improvement. The trade off is rather poor too. To pull off VIT melds you'll be dealing with a crafted axe, all of which are vastly inferior to primal/GC weapons available. Will your crits hit hard? Yes. Will you increase your DPS by doing so? No, for the reason I just stated. Check it:

Best axe available is Barbarian's Bardiche, and hey it already has VIT+5 on it! Leg-up there... but it's DMG is 151 and 35.95 DPS (LOL). Or you get Garuda's Scream, which not only has 8 more base damage (and DPS: 40.76), but also has Accuracy, and Critical Hit Attack Power +40 (you wanted this, right?). Look at the math and ask yourself if that is worth it. I don't think it is.

Gearing in this game is actually a lot simpler than people think.

Like Garuda's axe is something I can just walk into the wards and buy... anyway, now that I've got that out of the way;

Frankly, I'm not convinced that a primal axe is always better than a melded axe, especially when it's a triple melded axe we're talking about. I understand that some caps are based on the DPS stat on your weapon, but I think I'm gonna go for it anyway. Essentially, I'll end up with very similar STR and VIT numbers, with vastly higher crit attack power and a huge boost in crit rate to support it. I'm not convinced that the lower base DPS cannot be overcome with crits.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Like Garuda's axe is something I can just walk into the wards and buy... anyway, now that I've got that out of the way;

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Curious that by now you haven't gotten at least enough totems to buy one. Abaddon is event LS no?

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Frankly, I'm not convinced that a primal axe is always better than a melded axe, especially when it's a triple melded axe we're talking about.

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I can't help you with that then. There is a very good reason primal weapons are used as often as they are and it doesn't have much to do with them being "free".

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

I can't help you with that then. There is a very good reason primal weapons are used as often as they are and it doesn't have much to do with them being "free".

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Yes, this.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Like Garuda's axe is something I can just walk into the wards and buy...

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You've got a point here, but with addition of the new GC axe's you've also got no excuse. instead of spamming primals to maybe get a drop now we all have the option of farming seals to eventually reach a very obtainable goal of 25k to grab these sexy Mofos which have a higher dps rating and in most cases base dmg than ifrits or moogle.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

WEAPON: Garuda's Scream
HEAD: Paragon's Crown (work on this, it's an amazing piece of gear)
BODY: Cobalt Haubergeon [VIT+25 total]
HANDS: Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets [STR+40 total]
LEGS: Felt Trousers [STR+18/VIT+20 total]
FEET: Cobalt Sollerets [HP+100, optional tbh]
WAIST: Veteran's Field Belt
EARS: Explorer's Earring
NECK: Electrum Gorget +1 / Explorer's Choker (swap by situation)
WRISTS: Rubellite Bracelets +1
L.RING: Rubellite Ring +1
R.RING: Explorer's Ring / Electrum Ring +1 (see below)

Foods: Smoked Raptor (attack+41) / Mugwort Carp (accuracy+24)

Relevant stat totals: STR 345 / VIT 312 / Attack 536 / Accuracy 380 (while solo)

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I'm currently using the following~

Weapon: Ifrit's axe
Head: Darklight helm
Body: Darksteel Haubergeon (Piety meld use it for drg, will most likely get one melded with Savage might when I get the gil)
Hands: Triple meld Fingerless Raptorskin gloves of Slaying (str +35, it's a weak tri meld but, yeah)
legs: Fighter's trousers
Feet: Darklight sollerets
Waist: Veteran's Field belt
Earring: Explorer's Earring
Neck: Electrum gorget +1
Wrists: Rubellite bracelets
Rings: Rubellite +1 / Amber +1


But this is off the top of my head; 353 Str and 307 Vit, with roughly 358 acc using an ifrit's axe.
It's lacking in acc, however I am currently working towards a serpent lieutenants Bardiche, and will purchase an explorer's choker when wallet permits.

Food would be salt cod puffs or mugwort carp.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Curious that by now you haven't gotten at least enough totems to buy one.

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I haven't beaten Garuda. We made a conscious decision not to do the BLM exploit, and have been focusing our attention elsewhere for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Junktap

You've got a point here, but with addition of the new GC axe's you've also got no excuse. instead of spamming primals to maybe get a drop now we all have the option of farming seals to eventually reach an very obtainable goal of 25k to grab these sexy Mofos which have a higher dps rating and in most cases base dmg than ifrits or moogle.

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I've got a great excuse actually, I'd need about 75k seals to get one. I need my 25k item for the relic quest, 25k for a promotion, and another 25k for the latest gc axe. I do have other priorities. Sure, I'll buy one eventually. For now though, I can use all that VIT matera I've been getting from spritbonding Demilune Bhujes to try to get a new toy to play with.

Well no one ever said there wasn't some effort involved :)

Put your priorities in order instead of working on several things at once. Can always use that VIT materia to double meld a body too.

Get crackin'!

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I've got a great excuse actually, I'd need about 75k seals to get one. I need my 25k item for the relic quest, 25k for a promotion, and another 25k for the latest gc axe. I do have other priorities. Sure, I'll buy one eventually. For now though, I can use all that VIT matera I've been getting from spritbonding Demilune Bhujes to try to get a new toy to play with.

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LOL that's really funny! You didn't bother getting Ifrit,Moogle or Garuda Axe or even a GC AXe, but you are going to Relic! The promotion 25k you get back btw, but that's still 50k!

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

LOL that's really funny! You didn't bother getting Ifrit,Moogle or Garuda Axe or even a GC AXe, but you are going to Relic! The promotion 25k you get back btw, but that's still 50k!

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you have no idea what you're talking about dude, troll elsewhere

Well I wasn't gonna say that, but he has a point. Relics aren't for everyone.

My current setup for DD/tank~
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...16/Warrior.png
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Weapon: Garuda's Axe
Head: Darklight Helm
Body: 3meld Cobalt Cuirass +53 vit
Hands: 3meld Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves of Slaying +45 str
Legs: 2meld Felt Trousers +20str +22 vit
Feet: Darklight Sollerets
Waist: Cobalt Plate Belt +1 (159 hp)
Earring: Explorer's Earring
Neck: Electrum Gorget +1
Wrist: Rubellite Bracelets
Rings: 2x Rubellite Ring +1 (Will sometimes swap for 1 +1 Electrum Ring depending on fight)

Usually I eat Smoked Raptor, bringing my Totals to 378 STR 348 VIT. Accuracy is a bit low so for most encounters I do wear 1 Electrum ring +1 (and explorers choker or acc food on rare occasions)

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

you have no idea what you're talking about dude, troll elsewhere

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i think he might be talking about the coin you get for finishing the new quest that gives you back 25k seals if you trade it to the black market quiqurin!

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Originally Posted by Junktap

i think he might be talking about the coin you get for finishing the new quest that gives you back 25k seals if you trade it to the black market quiqurin!

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I was referring to the primal weapon remark. Kuma's making shit up.


Also, I ended up getting the explorer's moccasins. I've gotta say, I really like them too. Fighting level 50-52 amaljaa and while not using any skills to increase crit rate, my crit rate was just over 16%. In other (real world) scenarios, caravan escort etc, I've been able to get my crit rate over 30% and be the top DD in the party. Yeah, my crit build f'ing rocks so far. It will only get better when I add more crit attack power and more STR and VIT.

What do mean I'm making shit up. You keep going on and on about an axe with triple melded vit, because Ifrit , Moogles and Garuda are too much work to get an axe.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

What do mean I'm making shit up. You keep going on and on about an axe with triple melded vit, because Ifrit , Moogles and Garuda are too much work to get an axe.

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You have no idea what you are talking about because I have an Ifrit and Moogle axe already. As I stated, I haven't beaten Garuda so as it stands, a Garuda axe is not an option for me. Also your build advice was bad. I'm very satisfied with the build I listed above. I still have a couple improvements to make, but they'll only increase my overall damage. I am going to try to get a triple melded axe for testing. I may find that you're right and it won't be better, but based on my experience with crit rate, I'm not putting much stock in your advice.