There's too much strawmanning people who criticize the game

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

The reason is easy this people like this game to be as much of Sims online as it can. They don't want to play just look good and chat.and then ther the calt of yoshi.

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Yet here you are.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

what complexity? do you really believe in stormblood there was any complexity? there was no complexity or naunce in the stormblood aggro system, same as now, lmfao. did you have difficulties or something? because i didn't, same as now. The only difference between now and then is the removal of one system, that simply didn't make any difference, tanks are still blue dps and always been. tanks in this game never really tanked.

but that's a fundamental design problem, it will ever be solved? doesn't seem like it, tanks will still be blue dps, healers will be green dps, and dps will still be red dps, it has been that way since the start of the game. a few more buttons to press or whatever you think fits your fancy won't solve a problem that has been there since the beginning.

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Literally every savage/extreme encounter is FARRR beyond the complexity we have now. You've clearly never touched them when relevant.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

Literally every savage/extreme encounter is FARRR beyond the complexity we have now. You've clearly never touched them when relevant.

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oh, we are assuming now? perfect, nothing much to say really, if you really thing we had some WoW cataclysm level of complexity in stormblood and backwards, feel free to keep believing it, i won't stop you. the reality is that from stormblood onwards, all was already quite homogenized and simple.

of course things haven't improved, never claimed otherwise, but it weren't any better or special or cool in the past, if you want to believe so, feel free of course.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

what complexity? do you really believe in stormblood there was any complexity? there was no complexity or naunce in the stormblood aggro system, same as now, lmfao. did you have difficulties or something? because i didn't, same as now. The only difference between now and then is the removal of one system, that simply didn't make any difference, tanks are still blue dps and always been. tanks in this game never really tanked.

but that's a fundamental design problem, it will ever be solved? doesn't seem like it, tanks will still be blue dps, healers will be green dps, and dps will still be red dps, it has been that way since the start of the game. a few more buttons to press or whatever you think fits your fancy won't solve a problem that has been there since the beginning.

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It was an extra depth to the gameplay where DPS did have to worry about threat, and use things like quelling strikes to prevent stealing threat during openers, and tanks did need to tank stance properly and use emnity generation skills properly. So I would say it did add an additional complexity vs is not being there. How would it not add complexity? This is the only MMO I have played where threat management doesn't even matter at all, and it used to not be that way. The only reason we have blue dps and green dps is because the RPers didn't think it was fair that they had to learn to play to get there glamour pieces.

This post is strawmanning .

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they only stick to one type of content and don't do anything else.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they want tedious dailies and weeklies to artificially inflate the game time.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes job design, they want everything to be Heavensward levels of clunkiness.

Why are some people so quick to assume that anyone who criticizes the game fits some X stereotype? You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that the game lacks content even when they play at a casual pace and try out all kinds of different content. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that jobs like SMN have become braindead without being an elitist tryhard. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone that wishes there is more to do in the game also does not want grinds that serve no purpose.

Here is the reason why these people strawman those who criticize the game: because it's far easier to dismiss criticisms when you just assume that the problem lies with the individual and not the game.

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I would suggest you copy and paste this posy on the WoW forums as well. Cause They do it as well. Every person loyal to their game of choice does it; FFXIV, WoW, Swtor, GW. Nothing new here.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

I would suggest you copy and paste this posy on the WoW forums as well. Cause They do it as well. Every person loyal to their game of choice does it; FFXIV, WoW, Swtor, GW. Nothing new here.

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Ah yes, the good old "Others do it too, so I can lower my standards as well" trope.

Aww friggin' shweet Lois. It's another Skiros thread!

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

Literally every savage/extreme encounter is FARRR beyond the complexity we have now. You've clearly never touched them when relevant.

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Savage sure, but what EX trial besides Shinryu was more complex than what we have now? I've played since Heavensward and got all the dog mounts when their EX trials were relevant in SB and Shinyru and maybe Suzaku were the only ones that I felt were at all complex. And Suzaku was about as complex as the 3 current EX trials. As much as I adore the SB EX trials, most of them really aren't that deep. (and I know people struggle with meteors in Tsukuyomi but it's not hard to stand on a marker on the small sliver of the moon, also not hard to know to go in/out left/right) Susano, Lakshmi, Byakko and Seiryu were extremely simple.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Ah yes, the good old "Others do it too, so I can lower my standards as well" trope.

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The truth hurts. Which is why a lot of people hate to hear it......FACTS

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they only stick to one type of content and don't do anything else.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes that the game lacks content, they want tedious dailies and weeklies to artificially inflate the game time.

Stop assuming that just because someone criticizes job design, they want everything to be Heavensward levels of clunkiness.

Why are some people so quick to assume that anyone who criticizes the game fits some X stereotype? You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that the game lacks content even when they play at a casual pace and try out all kinds of different content. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone can think that jobs like SMN have become braindead without being an elitist tryhard. You must really lack imagination if you can't believe someone that wishes there is more to do in the game also does not want grinds that serve no purpose.

Here is the reason why these people strawman those who criticize the game: because it's far easier to dismiss criticisms when you just assume that the problem lies with the individual and not the game.

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it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

This Ultimate will literally last for 4 months for a lot of statics. Does anyone who doesn't raid Ultimate feel compelled to funnel all their time and effort into 14 just because Ultimate exists??

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i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Yes. It's not enough.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Yes. It's not enough.

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then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

The truth hurts. Which is why a lot of people hate to hear it......FACTS

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People usually shout "Facts" to someone else's idea. You doing that to your own is just sad.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

then take a break and find something else to play because it's very much a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That is exactly the strawman I'm talking about though???

You can put content into FF14 without it being a FOMO or an enforced timesink???

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Then explain how.... Don't be vague. Be specific. What exactly do you want added?

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i don't think you understand what a strawman argument is. Because you are on record here in the forums for complaining about there not being enough to do between patches when there is *plenty* of content available, but with the caveat that it's not meant to sustain your attention for 4 months. People have cited examples like, raiding, PvP, Glamour, Crafting, Extreme trials, Savage raids, ultimate trials, Treasure Hunting, etc. and yet that somehow isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Yes. It's not enough.

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How is that not enough?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

2. Stop complaining about people complaining.

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However that can fall into the trap that you end up listening to faulty feedback since you only got feedback from the most engaged players and nothing from those that actually left ending up with a feedback loop of sorts.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it's not really straw manning when they point out, numerous times, that the game has not ever been designed to be a timesink that lasts the 4 months between each major patch. The content was built with the idea that players will take breaks and come back when new content is added. That isn't a bad decision to make, especially when the developers have said more than once that they want players to take breaks from the game so they don't get burnt out on it.

I like being able to shelve the game and pick up something new without FOMO breathing down my neck and making me feel compelled to funnel all my time and effort into 14.

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I would agree with that, if they didn't have weekly caps.

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Originally Posted by Velnora

I would agree with that, if they didn't have weekly caps.

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So you funnel 1 day of the week for that and only if you care about the currency and getting highest end gear.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Then explain how.... Don't be vague. Be specific. What exactly do you want added?



How is that not enough?

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Let me just quote someone:

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You keep insisting this yet I've already listed what the current patch has to offer and that I, specifically, have already done everything. For the sake of review, we have:

MSQ
Endsinger
Unreal
Agiaga
Role Quests
Crafting
PvP


Of those six things listed, I have completed every single one except PvP over just a two week span. And I'm only not done with PvP because I didn't initially bother with it but have since given it a whirl. I didn't rush through the content. None of it has any staying power except PvP as it's all primarily one and done. Endsinger's only longevity comes from if you care to farm her mount. Everything else is weekly restricted and/or over within an hour or two. So what exactly is this content I don't want to do? 6.15 isn't offering a bevy of longevity either. Like I said previously, it's several one and done quest chains. I have no doubt some will be cool, especially hildibrand, but they're over within the hour.

Before you mention jobs previous things like jobs. I have nearly every job leveled to 90. I've only held back on some so I have something to level when Deep Dungeon drops. I have every Crafter and Gather max and fully pentamelded. With the new gear to boot. I've done the role quests. I've done a good portion of the side quests. I have both Hydaelyn and Zodiark's mounts. In fact, I spammed the later nearly 100 times. I've BiS all my tanks, DRG, SMN and am only missing the weapon on RPR and RDM. And all this while taking that break to play other games. So no, I'm not 24/7-ing FFXIV. Nor am I opting not to do content that isn't available. Outside DRU, which I'm currently progging, there isn't anything to do unless you consider grinding 10,000 FATEs for the achievement good content.

And it isn't like I'm expecting something new to do daily. I'd be fine with some meaningful grinds to keep me occupied. How about the relic? Why are we waiting an entire year for one of the few pieces of longevity content to be released? If it came out earlier, that would help satiate a lot of players. I'll go one better and say let the damn thing equal the Savage weapons. Make the steps worthwhile to do. "The raiders will complain!" Very few give a damn at this point. I cleared P4S week two and couldn't give a hoot if week 400, the relic matches my weapon. Just make it something decent and fun to do and not a free poetic dump.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

you problem

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And don't forget:

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I love the irony that it's okay to have this toxic attitude but simply criticizing aspects of the game I dislike means I should just quit. You're allowed to adore this game and every aspect of it just as I'm allowed to criticism it. That doesn't mean I dislike the game as a whole. Put simply, if you don't like my opinion. Kindly take your own advice and go find someone else to reply to.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

you problem

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^ Toxicity in full display here. I was fully expecting the very strawmanning and toxicity that I described in OP to happen in this thread once again but it is still disappointing.

Please continue barking though.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

People usually shout "Facts" to someone else's idea. You doing that to your own is just sad.

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LoL. You acting like I wrote this shit post. It seems you are the one who needs to play another game. Never the less I am done talking with you. You are to sensitive for my nature, and I don't make time for sensitive people....BYE

I feel like something to also keep in mind is, for some reason, people feel a need to rush through everything and then are confused why there isn't anything left to do. Like..the game is designed for the majority (which are players that have some sort of RL responsibility that keep them unable to play for extended periods of time), so I think it's kind of silly for lifers to feel like they deserve more. Even then though, I'm a lifer in this game and still have yet to complete all of the new content (because I also have other things to occupy my time: photography for gil, barding, FC events, achievement hunting, etc).

I think you're going to get out of the game what you put into it. If you're going to run through everything in a week or two because you have the time to dedicate to that....and then complain you're bored...maybe expand your horizons in game and pick up hobbies or invest yourself further into your FC. The rate of content being released isn't going to change because there are still tons of people (new players included) that still have yet to complete the content.

The game just isn't lacking content...
You should try and play some other MMO's and you'll see that it in fact doesn't.

Both SHB and EW were massive successes and while Covid did push them back we have a very bright future ahead and the devs have been very open about what's coming.
FFXIV is however designed to not force you to login every day and I think a lot of people are used to this in gaming nowadays with games being a second job.
That doesn't mean that FFXIV is lacking content however.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

2. Stop complaining about people complaining.

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You're taking this way too literally.
A lot of what's going on here on these forums isn't actually very useful it's just screeching and people having no clue about how game dev works or what the issue even is.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

"I disagree with his points... Must be a troll."

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Just because you may agree with him doesn't mean that he isn't a troll.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Let me just quote someone:



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^ Toxicity in full display here. I was fully expecting the very strawmanning and toxicity that I described in OP to happen in this thread once again but it is still disappointing.

Please continue barking though.

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You failed to answer the first part of the question though. Instead of constantly being vague or getting upset at people assuming what you want, tell us what it is you would like to see? What do you think could help fill this gap in content that you see? It's all well and good to say 'this is an issue' but if you don't offer any suggestions what do you expect to have happen. Yes it is the developers job to create things, but if they are at a loss for what more to add and you can't offer suggestions then... well we are stuck where we are at.

Kupo, it is all about the art of inflection (which given that its a forum may be difficult to create lol) <3 kupo

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

You failed to answer the first part of the question though. Instead of constantly being vague or getting upset at people assuming what you want, tell us what it is you would like to see? What do you think could help fill this gap in content that you see? It's all well and good to say 'this is an issue' but if you don't offer any suggestions what do you expect to have happen. Yes it is the developers job to create things, but if they are at a loss for what more to add and you can't offer suggestions then... well we are stuck where we are at.

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Because that is not the point of this thread and I have made concrete suggestions multiple times of this forum.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Because that is not the point of this thread and I have made concrete suggestions multiple times of this forum.

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Then show them.... I'm assuming I'm not alone when I say I do not see the problem. I don't know where the lack of content is. So please, explain it to me like I'm 5.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

You failed to answer the first part of the question though. Instead of constantly being vague or getting upset at people assuming what you want, tell us what it is you would like to see? What do you think could help fill this gap in content that you see? It's all well and good to say 'this is an issue' but if you don't offer any suggestions what do you expect to have happen. Yes it is the developers job to create things, but if they are at a loss for what more to add and you can't offer suggestions then... well we are stuck where we are at.

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In the very post he quoted of mine, I specifically mention the relic and why it should be released earlier. This is among the only pieces of longevity content in FFXIV yet we wait until over halfway through the expansion's life cycle to begin working on it. And the relic is only ever worthwhile on the very last patch. If it were coming out in say, 6.15 like they used to do in Heavensward, that would add content for people—provided it wasn't something silly like buy your relic for 1,000 poetics. We'll see how the whole Criterion dungeons but I'd love for them to have an entirely separate gear structure just for that content since it could allow for greater longevity.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

Then show them.... I'm assuming I'm not alone when I say I do not see the problem. I don't know where the lack of content is. So please, explain it to me like I'm 5.

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If you go back in read the post Skiros quoted of mine, I mention everything there is to do in 6.1 and now none of it outside of PvP lasts beyond the first week or so. That doesn't speak to the quality of said content but its lack of longevity. Agiaga is a fantastic raid, even if it is a bit on the easy side. Unfortunately, you're only running it a handful of times if you want a specific glamour piece otherwise it's a weekly one and done. Endsinger is a grind for a mount or until you reach 50 totems. Otherwise, there simply isn't anything left in 6.1. Telling people they should just take breaks then means they'll taking longer breaks than actually doing content. I'm not looking for this game to occupy my every waking second. I would, however, like to have content that last longer than a couple weeks.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

The game just isn't lacking content...
You should try and play some other MMO's and you'll see that it in fact doesn't.

Both SHB and EW were massive successes and while Covid did push them back we have a very bright future ahead and the devs have been very open about what's coming.
FFXIV is however designed to not force you to login every day and I think a lot of people are used to this in gaming nowadays with games being a second job.
That doesn't mean that FFXIV is lacking content however.

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The success of a launch of an expansion means very little in a MMO. You want to bring up other MMO's let's look at WoW and the success in launching ShadowLands and how quickly that fell off. Lost ark Launched with 1.5 million players on NE/EU which fell off with in a couple months to about 350k. New World launched at about 1mil and fell off to about 20k in less than a year. So when you put in in perspective of launch, all of these games are successful, but they didn't retain those launch numbers.

Nothing the devs have said has been very open, we still do not even know what Island Sanctuaries are, we still do not have any explanation as to why Kaiten was removed, we have no idea what criterion dungeons are going to be, so no we do not have any information on the direction the game is going.

But yes, FFXIV has been lacking content, mostly in terms of content longevity. Most of the content in this game retains very little longevity and is either one and done, farm for a week, or weekly / daily gated. Look at the pvp revamp for example, this content has a decent amount of longevity, but due to its season rewords it's finite on being worth while after completion, outside of niche people that want to do ranked pvp. This is an example of decent content, like every other pvp rework has been as it gives some form of longevity with in the content.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

You failed to answer the first part of the question though. Instead of constantly being vague or getting upset at people assuming what you want, tell us what it is you would like to see? What do you think could help fill this gap in content that you see? It's all well and good to say 'this is an issue' but if you don't offer any suggestions what do you expect to have happen. Yes it is the developers job to create things, but if they are at a loss for what more to add and you can't offer suggestions then... well we are stuck where we are at.

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Well I think the quote he used had some decent suggestions like starting the relic quest off earlier rather than half way through the expansion cycle.

I won't lie, it would be nice to see the Relic stuff added in earlier like they did with HW. I know why it was delayed in StB, as they weren't done with Eureka by the time 4.15 came around so they couldn't release it on time as that was the anticipated release date. What is confusing is that they released it late in ShB with no explanation as to why. I do agree that it would definitely help bring out some longevity earlier.

Unfortunately, as for the rest of the stuff there is a balance in there that I think is either difficult or straight up impossible to get just right. Either content has too much longevity and people complain they have to dedicate too much time to the game or it doesn't have enough and people complain that it doesn't last long enough. I don't think making anything that is considered main content such as the raids or the trials have a longer life span is the answer, I personally feel more side content with the longevity of Relics is. Hopefully Criterion Dungeons and the next Deep Dungeon fill this gap, I am tempering my expectations mind you, but here's hoping.

It sounds like people want this game to take up 2 or 3 hours of their time every day into infinity, and then punish people who do not put in that kind of time by making them lack in gear or make it impossible for them to reach endgame before the next patch or expansions. This just isn't that kind of game, it is meant to be played a few times a week, and if less than that then there are ways to get up to current content without having to dedicate weeks to getting there.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

If you go back in read the post Skiros quoted of mine, I mention everything there is to do in 6.1 and now none of it outside of PvP lasts beyond the first week or so. That doesn't speak to the quality of said content but its lack of longevity. Agiaga is a fantastic raid, even if it is a bit on the easy side. Unfortunately, you're only running it a handful of times if you want a specific glamour piece otherwise it's a weekly one and done. Endsinger is a grind for a mount or until you reach 50 totems. Otherwise, there simply isn't anything left in 6.1. Telling people they should just take breaks then means they'll taking longer breaks than actually doing content. I'm not looking for this game to occupy my every waking second. I would, however, like to have content that last longer than a couple weeks.

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So here's why I don't understand the "content drought". I don't do savage or extreme when they are current. I haven't even farmed for the ShB mounts yet. I still have plenty of content to keep me busy every time I log in. I really don't get that things aren't lasting. There's so much....

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

It sounds like people want this game to take up 2 or 3 hours of their time every day into infinity, and then punish people who do not put in that kind of time by making them lack in gear or make it impossible for them to reach endgame before the next patch or expansions. This just isn't that kind of game, it is meant to be played a few times a week, and if less than that then there are ways to get up to current content without having to dedicate weeks to getting there.

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It's like you didn't read OP at all.

If you did you would realize the irony of being the exact problem I described.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

It's like you didn't read OP at all.

If you did you would realize the irony of being the exact problem I described.

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You know a good strategy would be carefully explaining why the quoted statement is wrong instead of just calling them part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I haven't even farmed for the ShB mounts yet. I still have plenty of content to keep me busy every time I log in. I really don't get that things aren't lasting. There's so much....

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I like to have fun when I play a game. I'd like some interesting lasting *quality* content and rewards for doing said content. :)

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Originally Posted by Xirean

So here's why I don't understand the "content drought". I don't do savage or extreme when they are current. I haven't even farmed for the ShB mounts yet. I still have plenty of content to keep me busy every time I log in. I really don't get that things aren't lasting. There's so much....

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Based on your forum join date, that makes sense. You've only just started playing nine months ago. Even at a rushed pace, you'll have significantly more to do than someone like myself who has been playing since 2015. When I first started, I didn't have any of the primal mounts for months. In fact, I didn't even finish Heavensward until ten months later. Fast forward to now and I've simply caught up on everything to the point where I mostly have only the new patches itself of content to consume. With some exceptions, of course. I still have collected all the Triple Triad cards or maxed out a Chocobo. But I don't feel I should be scrapping the barrel looking for things to engage with because the new patch itself had very little to offer.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

It sounds like people want this game to take up 2 or 3 hours of their time every day into infinity, and then punish people who do not put in that kind of time by making them lack in gear or make it impossible for them to reach endgame before the next patch or expansions. This just isn't that kind of game, it is meant to be played a few times a week, and if less than that then there are ways to get up to current content without having to dedicate weeks to getting there.

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Then you aren't paying attention to what's being said. People aren't asking for three hours of daily activity, we're asking for a given patch cycle to last longer than a week or two when you're a veteran player. Adding content with longevity doesn't mean inherently punishing players who have less time to play.

Would the relic being released in 6.15 "punish" you? PvP is actually a decent example of precisely what many of us want. While it does have a finite lifespan in terms of rewards, the content itself is pretty fun. Now imagine if multiple pieces of content released with a similar foundation. If you weren't interested in PvP, you'd have say, the relic. Or maybe Criterion dungeons have a separate gear structure unique to that piece of content which you can continuously improve. In subsequent patches it gets easier to "catch up". That alone keeps the balanced approach of not making players with less time feel rushed but gives players with the time to spare something worth sinking their teeth into.

I'll give you an example of something which has always bothered me: Augmented Crafted sets, aka the i590 gear. It's essentially a near free handout in a patch where crafters have almost nothing to do to. Now I suspect the devs' intentions were requiring the i580 pieces as a turn in would keep the circulation moving. Unfortunately, it doesn't work out well in practice. Instead, I would rather they add a new material(s) purchasable either with tomes or scrips that you need alongside the i580 pieces and crafters have to directly make the augmented i590 gear. This gives them something to do in odd numbered patches.

Small additions like these would go a long way in keeping the patch alive longer without making it some huge time sink.

I just want my hats. After that... I will complain about something else