Don't add new jobs and classes:

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Originally Posted by Zyph

Nope.

From the thread about unimplemented classes from back at launch:


Sounds more like Puppetmaster to me. Also seeing as how Arcanists use very mechanical looking staffs that are in the game already...

And before you go all like "That was from launch, things have changed," in that thread there was a list of unimplemented abilities for existing classes at the time of launch, half of which now have been implemented as of the ability revamp or as job skills.

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Hrm... Of that I was unaware at all! That is great!
However, I see more as Arcanist splitting into Puppetmaster and Summoner, one of which focuses on 'the power of man' and the other goes down the path of 'the power of god'. Essentially, each one has a pretty different take, one of them is very offense-heavy the other far more support/trap based.
I mean, this is really just having ideas for it, and those abilities don't seem to be too dissonating from a summoner's 'archetype', and although it has a pretty different theme, it's just a matter of putting in some imagination and a nifty twist.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Hrm... Of that I was unaware at all! That is great!
However, I see more as Arcanist splitting into Puppetmaster and Summoner, one of which focuses on 'the power of man' and the other goes down the path of 'the power of god'. Essentially, each one has a pretty different take, one of them is very offense-heavy the other far more support/trap based.
I mean, this is really just having ideas for it, and those abilities don't seem to be too dissonating from a summoner's 'archetype', and although it has a pretty different theme, it's just a matter of putting in some imagination and a nifty twist.

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Maybe, but if Summoner is implemented, I'd rather see them deal with lesser spirits/elementals as their Class and then their Job abilities deal with Carbuncle/Diabolos/Fenrir (ex non-Primal spirits).

But your idea could work if they do a job overhaul that gives jobs more than a 5 skill difference from classes, I just feel like splitting jobs would leave things two similar between the two the way it is now.

Either way, I can see the lore behind SMN's class (Evoker or whatever it'll be called) being something like "After the Black Shroud gets nuked by the Empire, the Elementals of the wood realize that there's nothing left to gain, and things will only get worse, by being passive guardians and decide to aid select individuals by allowing those individuals to call them in times of need." Or something like that.

glad to know there are people that is aware of the existing unimplemented classes. What SE need to do is work on those first.

I honestly would like to know what core structure the job system is going to take on. I made a thread about it in the Battle Mechanics section of the forums: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ip-progression

It's a little lengthy but it's hard to know how to handle new Jobs being added without knowing what Job progression SE has decided upon. (If anyone has dev comments to link I'd really appreciate that, but as far as I know it's still being tossed around by the dev team which way they'll go)

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Originally Posted by Sabaku_Usagi

I honestly would like to know what core structure the job system is going to take on. I made a thread about it in the Battle Mechanics section of the forums: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ip-progression

It's a little lengthy but it's hard to know how to handle new Jobs being added without knowing what Job progression SE has decided upon. (If anyone has dev comments to link I'd really appreciate that, but as far as I know it's still being tossed around by the dev team which way they'll go)

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Apparently you havent read my Guide yet.

This is the job system I'm hoping to see as it will allow for great variety and sensible combinations. I invested alot of time into this guide so yeah ._.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

Apparently you havent read my Guide yet.

This is the job system I'm hoping to see as it will allow for great variety and sensible combinations. I invested alot of time into this guide so yeah ._.

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You were definitely correct that I haven't read that "guide". The core question that I'm asking is if your ideas would even be valid. SE seems to be progressing more towards a "1 class = 1 job" feel but that's just IMO. What I would hate, is for SE to continue to keep us in the dark when great suggestions like yours are being drafted up with a lot of time/consideration being put in only for them to tell us 1 Job only!

I was considering making something similar to what you created, but decided to hold off until I got word if this was even possible! 1 Class with multiple jobs, or 1 class = 1 job is my question.

Did you read my thread?

Hard to say honestly, since it can easily build off of Shepherd if they wanted.

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Originally Posted by Sabaku_Usagi

You were definitely correct that I haven't read that "guide". The core question that I'm asking is if your ideas would even be valid. SE seems to be progressing more towards a "1 class = 1 job" feel but that's just IMO. What I would hate, is for SE to continue to keep us in the dark when great suggestions like yours are being drafted up with a lot of time/consideration being put in only for them to tell us 1 Job only!



I was considering making something similar to what you created, but decided to hold off until I got word if this was even possible! 1 Class with multiple jobs, or 1 class = 1 job is my question.

Did you read my thread?

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yes I did read your thread. :) But I didn't take a genius to figure out exactly what you mean by these methods
I posted in your thead and ill say it again here.
The job system is made for horizontal growth meaning multiple jobs from one class

Although it does worry me as well because they are keeping us in the dark. And with yoshi saying crazy things like a GLA -> DRK when lancer is the obvious choice idk what to expect from the job system and thats why I HAD to make my guide.

Yea, unfortunately the DEV team keeps us guessing. I find it infuriating to not know what they are thinking. I'm pretty sure lancer -> DRK makes sense but MRD -> DRK also makes sense... I just wish they would clarify what direction they are taking the job system.

I know the multiple jobs per class makes sense, even the Job stones make you think that's the way it "should be"... but I just don't want to commit the cardinal sin of investing my hopes into something that I think is reasonable. Only to get let down later on. My problem isn't with what makes sense overall, but why doesn't SE say they are going to do?

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Originally Posted by Sabaku_Usagi

Yea, unfortunately the DEV team keeps us guessing. I find it infuriating to not know what they are thinking. I'm pretty sure lancer -> DRK makes sense but MRD -> DRK also makes sense... I just wish they would clarify what direction they are taking the job system.

I know the multiple jobs per class makes sense, even the Job stones make you think that's the way it "should be"... but I just don't want to commit the cardinal sin of investing my hopes into something that I think is reasonable. Only to get let down later on. My problem isn't with what makes sense overall, but why doesn't SE say they are going to do?

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Got me man... damn SE and their secrets.

Blah I'd prefer to get my hopes up and watch them come crashing down, it just proves that they fail to deliver especially if everyone is in agreement.

For the Summoner coming from Gridania argument: I could totally see it happening. Seedseers can speak with the elementals and in the opening for Gridania Kan-E-Sama (I think it is) summons moogles to aid. They freeze time and calm down an angry treant. So it could very well start from there.

Definitely agree that new classes should spur from new areas for the most part. However there are so many unvisited areas in Eorzea alone, not even considering the rest of Hydaelan (or however the world is spelled). I think it'll be a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

For the Summoner coming from Gridania argument: I could totally see it happening. Seedseers can speak with the elementals and in the opening for Gridania Kan-E-Sama (I think it is) summons moogles to aid. They freeze time and calm down an angry treant. So it could very well start from there.

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Ehm, that wasn't Kan-E-Senna, this Padjal was male ^^
The moogles wasn't summoned. And not only the Padjal can speak with elementals, good conjurers can too.
After the moogles lured the treant away the Padjal calmed down the wood.

And don't forget the Padjal have already white magic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4bx5CTNwVs : 0:54

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Raya-O-Senna:
Should that alone suffice not to assuage anxiety, aside from our communion with the elementals through conjury, we Padjal are also keepers of white magic.
White magic is an ancient healing art passed down through the ages in Gridania. With its spells at my disposal, I am not like to come to harm.

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Don't care, new jobs! :D

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Originally Posted by abby

Don't care, new jobs! :D

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Originally Posted by Jim

I don't care! I want to get more jobs!

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Then ask for classes like Arcanist, Musketeers, Beastmasters. They already have guilds and lores for them.

Here is a youtube link of a GM in Arcanist class.

I want to see guild halls that have a purpose because right now they might as well be gil/exp dispensers for 3 quests. Hopefully they have this fleshed out for 2.0 (and hopefully we get more 2.0 info soon considering how close it is...).

Fun content is, was, and always will be better for an MMO then lore and story. Adding jobs is fun... delaying jobs is not fun. See where im going here? Add the fun now then add the story later. This game is not in a position to delay stuff planned for any reason whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

That is a lazy, and terrible game design practice that FFXIV don't need to follow. I hope you're not serious.

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Posts like these make me laugh.

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Originally Posted by DNO

Fun content is, was, and always will be better for an MMO then lore and story. Adding jobs is fun... delaying jobs is not fun. See where im going here? Add the fun now then add the story later. This game is not in a position to delay stuff planned for any reason whatsoever.

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Exactly. That is why they should implement Arcanist, Musketeers, and Beastmaster because some already have weapons and armor in the DAT files, and background stories. Delaying those classes first is not fun, as oppose to bringing out something random out of the blue. You don't see the logic? The more you know.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

Posts like these make me laugh.

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And I'm laughing at you.

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Originally Posted by Skies

By the way isn't Sharlayan more like middle east? I probably misunderstood a few texts but it seems to give me an arabic feel...

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Even if it gives off an Arabic feel, why would that mean it has to be a literal "middle-east" region and not a region in the ingame's "western" or "mid-western" region?

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Even if it gives off an Arabic feel, why would that mean it has to be a literal "middle-east" region and not a region in the ingame's "western" or "mid-western" region?

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Oh, oh!
I thought when you mentioned cardinal directions you merely meant the style it had. Sharlayan could be in the south-southwest, but it'd still have a 'middle-east' feel since that's... What our real-world reference.

I'd like Dark Knight to come from a far-north continent. A snow-covered place.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Oh, oh!
I thought when you mentioned cardinal directions you merely meant the style it had. Sharlayan could be in the south-southwest, but it'd still have a 'middle-east' feel since that's... What our real-world reference.

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Well I wasn't the one that you originally quoted, but yeah, I'm sure that the poster you quoted was mentioning a cardinal direction...


(IMO, that's another problem - people need to quit thinking that just because something came from one side of the real-world, that it should come from the same side in the game world.)

Well, they are adding plenty of new areas. So I'm sure they'll add lore behind the new jobs they bring in. They did it with Blu, Cor, Nin, etc...

As for thieves....I could totally see them coming from this place XD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...conceptart.png

...but that's just me ;p It's probably a beastmen stronghold for all I know.

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Originally Posted by Kagato

I'd like Dark Knight to come from a far-north continent. A snow-covered place.

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Erm, smells like a Death Knight... all Hail Richu-sama!

Actually as far as Dark Knights go, i'd like to see them come from the opposite. Arid Desert or salt flats. Including skills that involve Sand, rust and corrosion, Venoms and the removal of flesh and bleach white bones....mmm..yes....excellent.

In some ways i agree with the OP but in others i dont. its not really Lazy if the class or job fits a "Far off whatever" Its only lazy if they had the ability, backstory and location in mind, but said heck with it and made them "from Far off whatever" anyway.

I do like seeing classes and races have an original setting. It gives a good opportunity to bring additional themes, styles, aesthetics and architecture to game worlds....and is ALOT of work because in order to make the area worth anyones time, it alos needs to include quests, dungeons, npcs, maybe a town, points of interest etc.

Adding an area devoid of any reason except for a class or jobs "home" is no better then to add jobs and classes without one. Perhaps a story mechanic where it starts with the class or job, and then at a later time, when they have an area fully fleshed out and ready, you can quest to return/take back that home is a worthy storyline aswell. (maybe a Job that has its origins in Al Migho(sp?)) Can be added at some time, and when we finally win it back, its home is presented. (THF mebbe? Would have to be sneaky and quick to survive the Empire as a resistance movement (Sabetour?)

All in all, i like everything having a place, an aesthetic, a story and such, but as long as the reasoning and lore is quality, there is now bad way if its still interestingly done.