Worst housing system in the world

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Originally Posted by Besame

IMO Wild Star is the go 2 that all game designers should look to. It was so awesome and very much missed.

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So good it died after like 3 years...

watch out for the next update saying " we apologize for the inconvenience as usual only 1 out of every 10,000 players will be able to get a plot even though everyone pays to get full access to the game we thank you for the patience as we continue to do nothing about housing "

Worst housing system in the world is instances housing and you know it... so deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

So good it died after like 3 years...

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The dungeons and quest system being focused for ther elitist, hard core gamers is what eventually killed WS. Housing had nothing to do with it. Housing was supurb.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

The people who say that don't realize the inside of their house is instanced.

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I have no idea if it is or isnt I can just see that the need for people being content with housing will not be served by adding 5000 more small houses for sale. There just needs to be a fixed place to create medium and large houses, and the only way for that to be viable is instanced housing to me. Everything else sounds a considerable time investment SE would absolutely never do. Theyll invest in the squadron rooms, and this island thing that wont be that, but not a total upheaval of the housing system. Just stupid changes ontop of it, like the lottery and 2/3rds fc wards.

It's not just housing that's wrong with this game.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

instanced housing makes it hard to have visitors...

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No, it doesn't. Apartment building are a good example. You walk up to the location portal and pick which one you want to enter. Neat and simple.

Or see RIFT's system.
https://i.imgur.com/id7HD38.jpg

That should be fairly self explanatory about what you're seeing but just in case:

Mine - will display all the housing owned by the character you're currently playing (yes, your character can have multiple housing locations)
Alts - will display all the housing owned by your other characters on that same account and world (yes, your alts can also have multiple housing locations)
Friends - will display all the housing owned by players on your friends list that have allowed friends to access their housing locations
Guild - will display any housing owned by the guild your character belongs to
Guildmates - will display any housing owned by guildmates that have allowed access to other guild members
Public (weekly) - displays a list of all housing on that world that allows public access and lists the locations in order of the number of likes the location received that week. You can always search for housing by player name, Dimension name, or player's name for the location
Public (All time) - displays the same as Public (weekly) except the order is based on All Time likes instead of just the most recent week

I'll be honest. I'm not certain how the Cross Shard (world) listings work since that was a feature added after I stopped playing but I imagine it's similar to the above.

To the right is where you see all the housing listed. The scroll button shows there's a considerable number available to tour (size of button is inverse of list size). Want to visit one? Click the Enter button. That easy. That top listing was for a Dimension where not only can any player enter, permissions have been set so they can place and remove furnishings as well. That allows players to place items they're no longer using and pick up items they do need that others no longer wanted.

Players get to chose who can enter their housing all the way down to create whitelists/blacklists for each location. Hate those naked ERPers hanging out in your house that you keep open so friends can visit? Wouldn't be a problem in RIFT. You disable access to your housing to anyone not on your friends list. Because it's instanced, it can be done.

So much fear of instanced housing by players that have never experienced a good housing system.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

So good it died after like 3 years...

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The housing was good. The rest of the game had problems. That's why Wildstar died. Housing alone is not going to save a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Worst housing system in the world is instances housing and you know it... so deal with it.

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Except it's not.

You want to know the worst housing I ever experienced? LotRO. It's that other game people don't want to mention that has the expanding ward system they highly praise and want SE to adopt.

Their housing sucked. Just flat out sucked. You could only place items on "hooks" - pre designated spaces in the housing. The hooks had categories that would limit the type of items that could be placed there. Have a Medium Furnishing hook available? Can't place a Large Furnishing there. Wanted to place a bed by a window? No can do - it can only be placed on the opposite wall. Oh, here's your 6 outdoor item and 45 interior item limit for your personal house. Fellowship Halls had more generous limits but still smaller than what we have in this game and still restricted by the hooks.

What was I able to create with my instanced housing in RIFT? I was able to take this base Dimension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_TRjK8neM

and create this:

https://i.imgur.com/f8zFC8b.jpg

(the waterfall is above the water area in the video)

RIFT's problem is the same one that Wildstar had. The housing was great - the rest of the game has problems and housing alone is not enough.

No, instanced housing is not the worst. It is the best when it is done right. That's something that you need to learn to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Besame

The dungeons and quest system being focused for ther elitist, hard core gamers is what eventually killed WS. Housing had nothing to do with it. Housing was supurb.

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Weird, I have seen so many MMOs die to focusing on the demands of a tiny group of elitist players who want the right to show off, I wonder why. Is it possible it's better to focus on the larger part of the population?

Can't possibly be... (/s if not obvious)

Squenix, please just fix housing. If not solely for the majority players that are left out of the system, then at least so that I can see your next expansion. Or is this game now "done" for you guys?

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

watch out for the next update saying " we apologize for the inconvenience as usual only 1 out of every 10,000 players will be able to get a plot even though everyone pays to get full access to the game we thank you for the patience as we continue to do nothing about housing "

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They refuse to acknowledge this and looking at history, they probably never will. Again, for an MMO that does EVERYTHING ELSE so well, it is something I will never understand why.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

They refuse to acknowledge this and looking at history, they probably never will. Again, for an MMO that does EVERYTHING ELSE so well, it is something I will never understand why.

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thats the issue everything about ffxiv is amazing except the housing, gameplay ? amazing everything in the game is literally perfect and i love it minus housing and customer service. Wait till you call their phone number.

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Originally Posted by Fleap

Weird, I have seen so many MMOs die to focusing on the demands of a tiny group of elitist players who want the right to show off, I wonder why. Is it possible it's better to focus on the larger part of the population?

Can't possibly be... (/s if not obvious)

Squenix, please just fix housing. If not solely for the majority players that are left out of the system, then at least so that I can see your next expansion. Or is this game now "done" for you guys?

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Last I looked, this WAS the housing forum discussions not dungeons, nor pvp, nor crafting and gathering. The discussions for those topics can be found elsewhere if you look really hard???

That post was about housing and how the minority of players seem to be wanting the system kept the same while the overwhelming amount of players are calling for reform.

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Originally Posted by Fleap

That post was about housing and how the minority of players seem to be wanting the system kept the same while the overwhelming amount of players are calling for reform.

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I'll bet a good chunk of that minority who wants to keep things as they are are people who are already benefitting from private housing and the rest are people who just don't care about housing. What they need to realize is that some people want housing because it's a casual experience. I know for me, there is a lot of content (such as savage raids) that I do not want to participate in because PF savage raids left a bad taste in my mouth and damaged my confidence in playing the game up to elitist standards.

Maybe the /s for sarcasm is getting missed up there but I get the feeling that my post is being misunderstood, so I'm gonna lay it out in a different way here.

What I am saying with that post, is that every MMO that I have played that has decided to focus on an elitist minority group, has failed. Some games it was endgame and tuning raids for the world first and "raiding is my full time job" people. Some games it was the people that wanted to feel elite in PVP. Bad systems tuned so that it only favors the most elite who can access those systems is an MMO killer.

In FF, the current bad system is housing. The elitists, are those who insist ward housing is fine because they got their Unicorn Plot Large and want to brag about it. Don't tell me they don't exist, on these forums, discords, and in-game you can always find those people who consider their artificial-scarcity house a status symbol. And those are the people still being catered to.

The majority wants a better housing system. Has for a long time. People *have* left this game over housing. People will continue to do so.

In gaming there is a thing called a "quit point." Its a point where a player gets so frustrated, or locked behind a wall, or skillcapped, and quits playing the game. Every game has quit points for different kinds of people. For some, its getting constantly ganked in PVP. For some, its not being able to get a group together to play raid tiers. For some, its bad story, or bad design. A quit point can happen at any point of a game. It can be instant -- the game won't load -- or prolonged -- a person gets depressed due to being gated out of the content that they want to enjoy and leaves the game for a better game that better fulfills their needs. One of FF's is housing. If too many people quit the game due to housing, the game will decrease in longevity. FF did have the fortune of a big stink happening at WoW (finally) over their ethics in general, and also how the quality of their games have dropped. But that fortune isn't going to last forever, and some of those numbers have already been shed, have already reached their quit point.

What I am saying, is that squenix should stop gating housing because the elite keep saying "wards are fine" (dev parts included) and instead find something better for the *majority* of players to enjoy. And they should ideally do it before it costs them the game.

Does that clear things up?

I'm in full agreement with you, they want to feel special having something that is gated by sheer luck.

For me, that quit point is just as I've said: I have run out of content I am willing to do because toxic players have ruined end game content for me, and the only other thing I want to enjoy the game as of right now is housing. Unfortunately, I was gated out by someone luckier than myself.

Ah yes. That is exactly a part of the problem.

After around 7 years of on and off play (periodic quits due to RL, in-game community nonsense, or housing), I am fortunate enough that I won a house before lotto -- it was a goblet plot at a weird hour in the morning so it wasn't much competition. And having a house is exactly what I wanted. I much prefer crafting alone in my house than in some city or town. I have neuro issues, and too many flashy skill effects and noises can give me migraines or minor seizures. Sure I have visuals turned down, but if I can turn off other people's sound fx I haven't found it, and the sound of several other people crafting near me while some other people spam their tank abilities over and over was nothing short of detrimental to my health. A quiet house, decorated and lit the way I want it to be, with my garden plot to help me farm more of my mats was perfection and I get why people also want one, whether or not they have neuro issues. Having seen FCs that failed and took my FC room with it, I get the argument against that as a primary housing source as well. Sometimes I just also do not want to be in a FC, because frankly I get exhausted of trying to communicate with so many different types of people and just need left alone for a month.

That being said, if Squenix told me tomorrow that they were killing off my ward and I had to give up my house to see a better system that treats everyone fairly implemented, I'd do it in an instant. There's no benefit to my ward other than my house is there. The FC's seem dead and no one talks. I've /greeted everyone I've seen at the MB and not once got any degree of a response from them, apart from them running off after being done with the board. I'm not mad about it, but personally I *cannot* take it seriously when people insist wards are necessary for the community. Maybe on RP worlds but that itself is a minority, of a minority. Heck, the plot across from mine is a venue that I have visited several times only to find it dead and empty, and I never see it in PF.

Here's hoping Squenix finally decides to stop gating the majority out.

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Originally Posted by Sythex

I'm in full agreement with you, they want to feel special having something that is gated by sheer luck.

For me, that quit point is just as I've said: I have run out of content I am willing to do because toxic players have ruined end game content for me, and the only other thing I want to enjoy the game as of right now is housing. Unfortunately, I was gated out by someone luckier than myself.

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Have you checked the other housing districts this week? Plots did become vacant as players that weren't affected by the bug were able to relocate and they should be part of the next lottery. A surprising number of mediums and larges opened on Coeurl (not to mention all the smalls) and some of them are even in wards 19-24.

Toxic people are part of the online environment because there's usually no consequences for their behavior. It's really not any better anywhere else, and frequently it's worse. The only way to avoid them is to turn off social media and stay offline all together. Or at least try to find a circle of gaming friends who play around the same time you do so you can play with them instead of taking your chances with random groups.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Have you checked the other housing districts this week?

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I have actually, but even of I place a bid, there aren't that many openings on Hyperion and I have to contend with that many more people who didn't get mediums in Empyrium. I'd have to be really lucky.

I'm pretty sure every single house is going to be sold in every ward by the 2nd bidding cycle, and then you wont see any more go up for a very long time.

This is somehow acceptable by the development team.

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Originally Posted by Sythex

I'll bet a good chunk of that minority who wants to keep things as they are are people who are already benefitting from private housing and the rest are people who just don't care about housing. What they need to realize is that some people want housing because it's a casual experience. I know for me, there is a lot of content (such as savage raids) that I do not want to participate in because PF savage raids left a bad taste in my mouth and damaged my confidence in playing the game up to elitist standards.

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The only people who are saying "keep it as it is " are the people who already own multiple plots across multiple characters with fc and single character while others suffer and never get to enjoy housing while paying same sub as everyone else to get access to the game. If they were on everyone else's boat they'd be saying opposite i promise you

lot of house and apartments on the Oceanic servers .. just have to get past the 0 housing bug
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...94140/lots.png
I wouldn't mine having some Neighbours next to me after the bug fixed

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Originally Posted by lennit

lot of house and apartments on the Oceanic servers .. just have to get past the 0 housing bug
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...94140/lots.png

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and get past playing on an oceanic server lol
isnt one of the wards there literally eaten up by some tag like MUS? or something

yes ward 2, and lots of player are raging about them .. but that the problem when MUS can take a ward to them self.. when everyone just wants one house. i just read the thread here and it sound to me that your ship has sailed. Oceanic servers are here or you can leave it for MUS

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Originally Posted by lennit

yes ward 2, and lots of player are raging about them .. but that the problem when MUS can take a ward to them self.. when everyone just wants one house. i just read the thread here and it sound to me that your ship has sailed. Oceanic servers are here or you can leave it for MUS

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Believe me, I considered it, but I imagine it sucks to play on a server outside your region. Housing is important but like anything else it is not the only reason to play the game; it's just another facet of it that everyone who pays a sub should have access to, because there is no reason it should be limited in the first place.
It really should not be on us to solve the housing issue by jumping all over the place. We still wouldn't have enough. SE needs to make the change so it's not an issue on any server anywhere, into perpetuity.

I totally understand I got a toon on siren and I live in Aussie. been playing on siren for a while now there a lot of things I cant do, on siren. and I thought my American friend would have a bad time on the Oceanic servers but he say the server are smoother. not want I was expecting. I wanted just to point out, one option is here, for now. but I don't think they can keep up with the demand of the high player base needs with out having backlash on the server capability. and if there going to push it, there going to take time so it works properly.

If you see housing content as if it's another Ultimate except it's for casual and everyone can participate.
You won't be able clear it one day or weeks, it will take months of prog.

Does that make Ultimate the worst content system in the world with only 1% people doing it?

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

If see housing content as if it's another Ultimate except it's for casual and everyone can participate.
You won't be able clear it one day or weeks, it will take months of prog.

Does that make Ultimate the worst content system in the world with only 1% people doing it?

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What?
Why are you comparing housing to ultimates?

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

What?
Why are you comparing housing to ultimates?

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Why not? Not everyone can do Ultimate with the limited time they have to prog, same as Housing not everyone can get one. Does that makes Ultimate just as bad?

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Why not? Not everyone can do Ultimate with the limited time they have to prog, same as Housing not everyone can get one. Does that makes Ultimate just as bad?

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If you limited 1% of people to attempting Ultimates, then yes? Anyone can attempt an Ultimate and prog it. There is no prog for housing. The closest thing you could have compared to "prog" was relocation, which is gone. Even if you have the gil, you cannot buy a house unless you get lucky and win a lottery. It does not take "months of prog" because with the amount of people who may try to purchase larger sized houses, you may actually just never end up attaining one through no fault of your own. You cannot "put in more effort and practice" into getting a house. You cannot "try harder." It's kind of weird and insane that you would even begin to compare the two.

You're taking "housing endgame" a little too literally. In general that is a weird take, limiting housing arbitrarily in general is a weird take. If you're saying it should take longer, then suggest housing be more expensive, not unsustainable dogshit like it is now. The reason so few people participate in ultimates isnt because they literally just cannot participate in Ultimates, it is because they either don't have the time or don't want to. They are not obstructed by other players into not being able to complete ultimates.

it not easy .. just like trying to get the ring from winning the gold saucer jackpot lotto and for over a year i am still trying to get that. it is hard to get a house that only covers 20 to 30% of the player base. I remember getting my first house on siren. I was clicking for days trying to win one, at least now with the lotto house I don't have to stay up all night , give myself carpal tunnel from clicking. if they want to fix it or make it better, I think only way would be to make it 1 house per account . but then I would have to decide which one I want to give up, and that is something I think players wouldn't part with. so they only thing I can see, is them adding more wards at a slow place to see how the game will handle it. but when you have a player like MUS that buy up a whole ward it makes all this work pointless solving this problem

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

If you limited 1% of people to attempting Ultimates, then yes? Anyone can attempt an Ultimate and prog it. There is no prog for housing. The closest thing you could have compared to "prog" was relocation, which is gone. Even if you have the gil, you cannot buy a house unless you get lucky and win a lottery. It does not take "months of prog" because with the amount of people who may try to purchase larger sized houses, you may actually just never end up attaining one through no fault of your own. You cannot "put in more effort and practice" into getting a house. You cannot "try harder." It's kind of weird and insane that you would even begin to compare the two.

You're taking "housing endgame" a little too literally. In general that is a weird take, limiting housing arbitrarily in general is a weird take. If you're saying it should take longer, then suggest housing be more expensive, not unsustainable dogshit like it is now. The reason so few people participate in ultimates isnt because they literally just cannot participate in Ultimates, it is because they either don't have the time or don't want to. They are not obstructed by other players into not being able to complete ultimates.

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Just because of different approach of progging doesn't mean they're incomparable. They never said housing is for everyone (idk where people get the idea) as if people expect savage/ultimate would be as easy as normal mode, you can still do the normal mode if you want (apartment).

There is a prog for housing, by stalking wards for open plots, get your gils ready, and get lucky (oh hey you need lucky in Ultimate/savage too to get good group), etc.
This sounds more like you gave up on Housing just because it seems difficult to get, alr with the assumption you won't ever get it is the artificial block you put up yourself.

Well you aren't literally obstructed to participate in housing bid as well. Can't you just wait to participate in the next lottery session or when they remove fc-restriction in near future? lmao

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Just because of different approach of progging doesn't mean they're incomparable. They never said housing is for everyone (idk where people get the idea) as if people expect savage/ultimate would be as easy as normal mode, you can still do the normal mode if you want (apartment).

There is a prog for housing, by stalking wards for open plots, get your gils ready, and get lucky (oh hey you need lucky in Ultimate/savage too to get good group), etc.
This sounds more like you gave up on Housing just because it seems difficult to get, alr with the assumption you won't ever get it is the artificial block you put up yourself.

Well you aren't literally obstructed to participate in housing bid as well. Can't you just wait to participate in the next lottery session or when they remove fc-restriction in near future? lmao

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You realize there would have to be nearly 100 more wards to serve all the people who want various sized house, based on averrage bids per plot per ward? And no they arent comparable, finding players is not luck, its networking, neither is progging the fight, what the hell are you even talking about. Checking the wards once a week is prog.. to you?

People get the idea that they will get to participate in a facet of a game by paying to log in and playing and earning the gil necessary to make a purchase. "Idk where people get the idea" lmao. Youre right, I should walk into a store to buy a TV, bring it to the register, the cashier takes my money, looks me dead in the face while moving my TV behind the register and goes "What are you still doing here? Did I tell you you were absolutely gonna have this TV? The guy behind you wants a TV too. Get out." Youre going to tell me your version of housing is somehow more reasonable? From the perspective of people who fund the game in order to play it

Did they tell you they would remove the fc restriction? Does daddy work for square enix? Or do you have some kind of RMT stake in housing you dont want to lose? Whats your deal? Youre a total crackhead outlier in that you think housing should just not be available to people

If youre doing ultimates or something, maybe lay off that and try not to get so absorbed you compare literally everything to ultimates. Its kind of niche dude.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Why not? Not everyone can do Ultimate with the limited time they have to prog, same as Housing not everyone can get one. Does that makes Ultimate just as bad?

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with ultimates theres always a way to figure out mechanics and clear the fight after 99 attempts with a housing lottery even after 9 trillion attempts theres No gurantee you will ever win. Think again. its a Lottery not a set mechanic with a solution.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

Youre a total crackhead outlier in that you think housing should just not be available to people

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People in this forum can't chill out and be civil in a discussion. Anyway/// shame on you once FC restriction is lifted. Just wait and see and I'm out of here.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

People in this forum can't chill out and be civil in a discussion. Anyway/// shame on you once FC restriction is lifted. Just wait and see and I'm out of here.

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Youre right. I apologize. Ill be more civil. After World firsts, no one should ever be able to attempt Ultimates ever again. Civil opinion, good idea. Great discussion. Feel good about it? No? Why would I think that? Because. Not good enough for you? Where did these people ever get the idea that they are guaranteed to attempt Ultimates?

Well youre not being civil, I have to compare everything to my housing experience, which is to say I dont have one because theyre all held, so I cant bid on houses that dont exist until they (add more wards/make another ultimate). Theres your prog/development. They add an ultimate every couple years. Cant you just wait for the next one to come out? What are you, impatient?

Please, man, apply yourself. You dont live inside Square Enixs pocket. Housing does not need to be miserable.

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Originally Posted by lennit

it not easy .. just like trying to get the ring from winning the gold saucer jackpot lotto and for over a year i am still trying to get that. it is hard to get a house that only covers 20 to 30% of the player base. I remember getting my first house on siren. I was clicking for days trying to win one, at least now with the lotto house I don't have to stay up all night , give myself carpal tunnel from clicking. if they want to fix it or make it better, I think only way would be to make it 1 house per account . but then I would have to decide which one I want to give up, and that is something I think players wouldn't part with. so they only thing I can see, is them adding more wards at a slow place to see how the game will handle it. but when you have a player like MUS that buy up a whole ward it makes all this work pointless solving this problem

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there already is a thread about multiboxer and RMT Organizations buying whole wards
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ltiple-houses.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

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Well, no, not really, lol. If you bought a small house with the intent to transfer to a larger house, they've already all been bought out in Ishgard, save for a few FC mediums. You'd need to wait for auto-demo (which is currently off, and rare in larges), or wait for someone to randomly they decide they want to abandon their brand-new Medium or Large.

All that aside; there's 18 wards for FCs to fill until 6.2, which is several months away. In that time, it's likely that all of those plots will fill. Any that are empty will have, most likely, dozens or more bids each. Then you have to win the lottery.

We've spent since the Firmament preparing. In this scenario, years have been spent "prepping" and "progging", but realistically, there is no guarantee you will "clear". You could be good at clicking a placard repetitively and never going to the bathroom before, or fast at relocating, but in the current system you literally can't be "better" or "more skilled". You place a bid. You wait 5 days. You lose. You wait 4 days. You place another bid on another house, you wait 5 days. You get the point. You could go quite literally years in this situation without getting a better home because you lost to a random number generator. There's no mechanics at play here. This is more akin to the Cactpot (except you don't even get to choose your own number, it's assigned based on bid order) than it is to any Savage or Ultimate. I can learn those. I can learn to move and be absolutely perfect and precise, with practice. You can't learn or get better at a lottery. You can just keep playing and hope the odds land in your favour. I have played the Cactpot for 2 years, and I have yet to get better than just above the consolation prize.

I can't get better at Cactpot, either. Why? Because it's also an RNG lottery system. There's no improving at it. You can't get "better" at a random number generator unless you literally hack it so it always rolls in your favor.


This might have been comparable in the old system, where you could simply be faster and have a better machine/internet connection/ping than everyone else and sprint to the plot you wanted, on a route you charted out before-hand and relocate to your plot. But, that's no longer an option. They did consider a 50/50 split for lottery, but there's no telling whether they'll do that, whether the non-lotto plots will allow transfers, etc. And even at the end of all that, we still need to wait until 6.2 for the re-evaluation- where, currently, if any player from wards 1-18 in any zone relocate, their former plot is now -1 player plot, meaning there will be less player houses up for grabs, at least until that point. It's a diminishing pool as it is now.

When it finally does unlock, we'll be fortunate if there's anything left in Ishgard at all. Your arguments make me wonder if you're just trying to bait people for the sake of grief, but I honestly can't tell.

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Originally Posted by YuzuyuVolanti

Well, no, not really, lol. If you bought a small house with the intent to transfer to a larger house, they've already all been bought out in Ishgard, save for a few FC mediums. You'd need to wait for auto-demo (which is currently off, and rare in larges), or wait for someone to randomly they decide they want to abandon their brand-new Medium or Large.

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I'm not sure about your server, but at least here I can find new plots opening up quite often every week back when auto-demolition still up and running.
Most people that I'm playing with managed to get one with patience. That's where my argument came from.

I think they should keep the auto-demolition running more than not though.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

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It's off. Its been off for four months. Its going to be off for an unforeseeable amount of time; they haven't even announced when it *might* go back on. Probably not until certain world conflicts are figured out.

And even then its going to take another 40 days after it gets turned on to see houses come up. And even THEN its not enough to accommodate everyone, so go back to Yuzuyu's statement that there will be dozens, maybe even hundreds depending on the server, of entries on any house that does come up.

What is your personal reason for supporting the current system? Is it clout, being able to say you own a house? Does it make you feel like people envy you? Is it that it's "rare" so you wanted it, but if it stopped being "rare" or giving you perceived "status" you would not be interested in it anymore? This is the question I want to ask anyone who supports the system in the here-and-now. I want the deep down answer too, not "Oh my RP character..." thousands have RP characters. "Oh my venue..." there's a new person in FF every day wanting to start a venue. "I earned it by camping and clicking." So did many others, and the same people that failed at winning were there clicking with you, stewing in the frustration to end in disappointment.

I saw an interaction in my server's Limsa the other day where a player was bragging about a house and another player just kept saying 'okay.' "I have a house." Okay. "I had it decorated by so-and-so." Okay. When the player who owned it asked if the others wanted to come visit, "Okay" turned to "No" and I have never seen someone get so aggressive as fast as I saw the homeowning player get aggressive. People in this game no longer hear "I have a house" and go "Cool!" They hear "I have a house" and think about the months, year, years they have been trying and failing to get one and in doing so have realized that they don't really care about the home-owning "status symbol" anymore. Most of the people posting don't want a house for bragging rights, they want a house to further experience a part of the game that apartments and FC rooms only gave them a tiny taste of. They feel blocked from content for a game that they are paying their hard-earned dollars for and they are not wrong. On top of that, you don't even need to spend much time on this forum to realize that there is a divide growing between the house-owning vs houseless population, and its really starting to cause some serious contention in our communities.

If for absolutely NOTHING else than community synergy and removing one element that is causing a rift, wouldn't it be best to make sure everyone has a darn house?! I'm willing to bet that if everyone could, even if you left some surface wards attached as something to strive for with the rest being another form of housing, the majority of people "complaining" would become a tiny minority very, very fast.

The demolition system doesn't work anyway. What happens is that people who are away get a notice in their email that their house is going to get demolished, so they just resub for a day and log in to go step into their house, then vanish again. I've literally seen this happen endlessly since they introduced demolition timers. Also it was kind of funny how housing ultimately became a system for people who already owned a house, since they could shift plots at any point when one opened originally. People would just camp out in Goblet and then once a better plot opened due to that one random guy not noticing his plot warning go up, people who owned a house just shifted into the now vacant lot.

But the funny thing is that people are only complaining about the issues of getting a plot. The other problem is decorating said plot, as the housing system decoration system is extremely basic. All those advanced layouts people came up with require exploiting bugs in-game to establish, like having a loft in a small so the place has more than two floors. There's been so many superior options to the existing system that have come up since 2014, even from unsuccessful games, that the only reason that makes sense why a better system hasn't been implemented is due to development resources.