Please add all Poetics gear to all Sundry Splendors Vendors

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

Poetics are for gearing up your alternate classes, not your main. This is working as intended.

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I disagree. Content 80 and under is much easier now and it's very easy, as a new player, to reach 80 very quickly thanks to Road to 80 buffs being quite common nowadays. The MSQ cannot keep up.

Furthermore the ARR MSQ, for example, takes a very long time as you must do a lot of post MSQ stuff before being allowed into Heavensward. Same from Heavensward to Stormblood.

So no, it isn't working as intended for 80 and below content as the game has changed a lot since then and leveling has never been easier than it is now.

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Originally Posted by Dragonlancer

I agree with OP. Since we can already collect the end game poetic stones, why can't we spend them before finishing MSQ? The MSQ is fine for those who enjoy the story, but to force you to go through it all and taunt you with unspendable Tomestones is cruel.

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except poetics aren't endgame currency

Even without Road to 80, my last alt hit 70 before even clearing Bardam's Mettle. EXP is overly generous these days.

At the least, it'd be nice if the main tome vendors were active as soon as you reached a city, instead of waiting until you hit that expansion's cap. Wouldn't help for Idyllshire, but it would help for Rhalgr's Reach, Eulmore, and Radz-at-Han in 7.0.

I hit 86, just started the Tempest, am capped on Poetics, and still don't have access to the vendors in Eulmore. The Exarchic gear's serving fine, but having to spend the money just to have gear to match my level is frustrating. At this point I'll be 90 before starting Endwalker, will be getting Aphorism and Astronomy stones that I won't be able to use, and will have to spend yet more money I don't want to in order to get the gear appropriate for that level.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I hit 86, just started the Tempest, am capped on Poetics, and still don't have access to the vendors in Eulmore. The Exarchic gear's serving fine, but having to spend the money just to have gear to match my level is frustrating.

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You not willing to spend gils on gears is frustrating to gatherers and crafters. They are paying customer too

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

You not willing to spend gils on gears is frustrating to gatherers and crafters. They are paying customer too

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I didn't say I was unwilling to; I bought a full set of Exarchic gear when I hit 80. I said I was frustrated at having to buy the gear when I've had enough tomestones to purchase the Augmented lvl 80 stuff for a while. I don't need to buy any gear, I've got the capacity to gather and craft everything in the game that impacts progression. If that's a source of frustration for other players, then so be it.

I've been trying to play this alt as Solo Self-Found without significant assistance from my main. Unfortunately, things like Poetic vendors being locked behind MSQ progress has hindered that, so I've had to make myself or buy a couple sets of gear when I've significantly out-leveled the content I'm at.

Could I use the quest rewards to gear up? Absolutely. With as much scaling as the game does, wearing level 86 gear in a level 78 duty is overkill. However, it does guarantee that I'm at max stats in all duties I go into, which makes progression easier and tanking more effective. Also, getting a single set of over-leveled gear is a point of convenience in that it's a once-and-done thing. By equipping the Augmented Cryptlurker set in Shadowbringers, I don't have to worry about messing with the armory chest or forgetting to equip an upgrade. Instead, the chests go onto a retainer to be equipped to them at the appropriate time.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

You not willing to spend gils on gears is frustrating to gatherers and crafters. They are paying customer too

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I mean, I buy gear for my servants since you can only have 1 copy of each poetics gear.

Or you could not use all the exp bonuses? Doesn't sound like its increasing your fun since you still wanna go through the msq anyways.

It is far more convenient to use those exp boosting items though. Any of the exp earrings means never having to buy/craft earrings again until the relevant expansion, the brand new ring is great for 15-20 levels, I am not going to screw the rest of my FC by not using the exp buff. It seems silly to argue "Just don't use them" when even without them it is easy to outlevel the story. I often without trying get my alts to 30 before I can even unlock their jobs thanks to challenge log and Fates I hit along the way that are in my path or already being progressed. There are so many sources of massive exp gain you can't easily avoid all of them.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Or you could not use all the exp bonuses? Doesn't sound like its increasing your fun since you still wanna go through the msq anyways.

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Even without exp bonuses you will out level the MSQ a great deal. Especially when you do the mandatory dungeons/trials.

Heck, I was past 60 on multiple jobs when I STARTED Heavensward.

Letting players have access to the 80 and below poetics gear as they level doesn't cost them anything. It's not like the 80 and below content is current content anyway and if they want to do content the hard way there's min ilevel option.

There's no reason NOT to do this.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Or you could not use all the exp bonuses? Doesn't sound like its increasing your fun since you still wanna go through the msq anyways.

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The irony that most of the XP boosting items scale to job level for their effective duration, giving the player a piece of gear appropriate to their job level without going through the marketboard or crafting friends.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Even without exp bonuses you will out level the MSQ a great deal. Especially when you do the mandatory dungeons/trials.

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Only if you're doing side content. I tested this with an alt last expansion. Did not use my XP earrings or join a FC, only had the benefit of rested XP that I tried to minimize by playing only the alt (outside of hopping on my main quick to tend garden, enter house) every day. Kept strictly to MSQ and class/job quests to unlock class/job actions except when I hit the level gap mentioned below.

Early on, you do gain a couple of levels past MSQ level but MSQ will catch up in Coerthas. Once you finish the Castrum rescue (level 46 MSQ), you hit a gap where side content is mandatory because the next quest is level 49 (I was level 47). You'll then need to grind a little more side content to hit 50 so you can do Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium (cape Westwind and the 2 following level 49 quests aren't quite enough).

I was level 51 after completing Praetorium (reasonable) and was never more than one level ahead of MSQ until I got tired of the XP test and deleted the character (was in the second part of Sea of Clouds).

The mandatory dungeon/trial XP is already included in SE's calculations for level progress compared to MSQ. For you to be past 60 on multiple jobs before starting Heavensward without the benefit of any XP bonuses, you had to have been doing side content.

I'm still in agreement that access to the tomestone gear sooner is needed. When gear is tied to job level, it's a positive experience to have gear the correct level. When your gear is several levels behind, there's something wrong with systems.

The poetic tomestone equipment is considered Best in slot for the expansion you played, you used to have to clear the last tier of the raid in the expansion, it was changed to simply need to clear the MSQ, that is already an easier way of getting it, it will also motivate player to finish the msq content since it will also open the bis for the finished msq expansion that is enough stats for the progression of the entire msq of the next expansion, there is nothing wrong with having higher lvl than your current gear progression, you find high lvl equipment after you clear/doing higher lvl content, not because of your current lvl, the game still give you option to get that higher lvl equipment through market or trade or crafting like some other has stated before, in my opinion, the current system is already good enough, if there is anything i want to change is the drop rate and availability of equipment from dungeon and alliance raid, please make that more easier to acquire somehow

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Or you could not use all the exp bonuses? Doesn't sound like its increasing your fun since you still wanna go through the msq anyways.

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Once you hit 80 all XP bonus items don't work. I've stopped using food so am getting no XP boosts other than rested at all. I'm am now 7 levels over max for ShB and am not even halfway through Tempest. At this rate I'll be 90 well before finishing the post 5.0 patches.

It's to the point where I'm soon going to have to level a second job to 80 to get use out of the remaining ShB MSQ and all of EW XP. I'm also in the position of needing to spend time gathering and crafting the lvl 90 gear for her main job in order to be geared for her level; time I'd rather spend progressing her through the story so I can tank all content for my friends and FC mates.

There really is no practical reason other than developer time to not give people access to all levels of Poetic gear from the get-go.