0.01 drop rates need to die in a fire

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

The reason for low drop rates is because people said they wanted no cooldown on re-entering these instances

so maybe people should question our ability to do that first

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I personally would rather do ifrit, teleport to AV while timer running, the teleport to CC if timer is still running, then go back and do ifrit then. That seems better than the crazy low drop rates.

I'd even rather have taper drop rate decreased to a really low 3% or something as to have weapons so low. At least I could EXP / spirit bond then, and the time to get the weapons wouldn't change that much I think, just more rewarding when the right is finally won.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

It's been proven time and time again that our community reps pay attention to even the smallest points made on the forum. They've probably already sent word to the Dev's on this, several times. The reason we're not seeing any response is because the dev's have nothing new to say yet.

But yes, please spam the forum if it'll make you feel better.

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You make a claim, they deny it. A bunch more people make the same claim, then it needs to be looked into. So yes, it would make me feel better if more topics were created.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

The reason for low drop rates is because people said they wanted no cooldown on re-entering these instances

so maybe people should question our ability to do that first

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I'd rather have longer cooldowns. I don't think there's any "good" excuse for terribad drop rates, unless you want people to stop playing your game altogether.

Honestly, I think SE needs to go to the drawing board as far as their concepts of "balance" goes. Anyone who thinks doing the same thing 200 times to maybe get an item is a good way to balance the power of the item needs to rethink... everything. Maybe if we were talking about relic-type weapons (at which point I'd still prefer, you know, a progression system...).

Challenge is good. Terribad drop rates is bad. Period.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I"m proposing that they rescale the time investment such that you can only do these events at most a few times a day, and have a porportionally higher drop rate, so that you don't need to spend hours and hours doing the same content every day for a chance of a drop...

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How do we even know that that's not the way things work already? Has any one done any testing on the number of runs per day vs the number of drops? Everyone spamming the content could very well cutting their own throat, gorging themselves at the buffet, and then wondering why they are still hungry.

I'm lazy to write so ill just quote myself from the other thread on same topic:

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Originally Posted by VytasBismarck

Awesome time sink is awesome. Best gear drops based mostly on luck are the best. Lucky people with complete darklight set are lucky. Nothing new here, you can move along now or enjoy the game. 'Till way past 2.0 you will see nothing but time sinks, get over it.

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Oh, please.
If we endured this game with what it was a year ago (a big, boring, empty place where even the few interesting (profitable) NMs we had got hit with the nerf stick so that not even they were even mildly fun anymore, i'm sure you're not going to quit now over Darklight with 2.0 fast approaching.

You're basically just trying to bluff a video game company by threatening to quit on their forums if they don't give you Darklight lol.

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Originally Posted by DeadlySwordz

no thanks. don't make this game like WoW has become with badge rewards. That is one of the main reason or THE main reason why I quit WoW. I was able to hit the new level cap and was able to get raid ready gear including some purples in like 3 days cause it was easy to keep doing 5 man runs for badges to buy gear from NPC's. Made the game a bit easy. So again, no thanks on buying drops.

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Limbus, Dynamis, Slavage, Einjar, Assaults

Here's a few endgame scenario's in FFXI that have token or currency based rewards that could be exchanged to NPC's for gear. Arguably they also rewarded some of the best gear in the game(look at what it takes to make a relic or mythic)

Having a token based endgame isn't going to turn the game into Wow what matters is the scaling of content, how much players are rewarded, and how much you have to go through in order to complete said content. It looks like you have an issue with the pace of the game and not the drops/rewards

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

How do we even know that that's not the way things work already? Has any one done any testing on the number of runs per day vs the number of drops? Everyone spamming the content could very well cutting their own throat, gorging themselves at the buffet, and then wondering why they are still hungry.

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Uh, I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. The drop rates don't go up over time.

What I'm SAYING is- the devs have an expected average amount of time spent playing for items to drop. The drop rate is such that this average will be reality (again, it's an average. RNG will give some people stuff earlier and some later). Right now, that drop rate seems to be set based on the ability to repeat content every X minutes (currently 15) following completion, and that if people leverage this and play content as much as possible, then on average, most people will have the reward by Y number of days later.

I'm proposing that the X in these calculations be changed, while the Y be left the same. Thus, with a hypotheitcal Y value of 7 days:

Currently, X = 15 minutes. Let's just say it went to 2 hours, with the average number of days Y to recieve a reward being the same for both cases (7 days).

You are able to win the content at best 1/8th as often as currently, but the drop rates are increased to a point where you still average out to people recieving their reward in 7 days. Thus, it still takes a comprable amount of real time for you to be rewarded, but you don't have to play the same content CONSTANTLY during that time.

Again: this is a hypothetical scenario about un-named content. I'm not referring to any one specific event in the game.

A lot of people seem to not get how WoW works probably because they never played it. The loot system is actually pretty good when you think about it and it actually keeps a lot of people around.

Basically when you reach level cap you can run dungeons and heroic dungeons they are 5 man you can pretty much spam them and get justice points which will let you buy the previous patchs gear. They will give you gear set thats lower then whatever the current raid is but its entry level for doing the raid. Next step up in gear comes from their LFR system, which is basically an easy mode where you queue up get thrown in to a raid beat down some easy bosses, this drops loot better then the dungeon loot. Next we have normal mode raids which can't be queued for this is for your average guild and has a moderate difficulty, casual guild usually have more trouble with this but hard core people will breeze through this drops normal mode loot which is above LFR easy mode level. Then they have the heroic difficulty raids that is extremely hard and caters to about 1% of the games players who want to be the best and drops the best loot in the game.

Now they offer 2 different raid sizes 10 and 25 man. 10 man drops 2 items from each boss while 25 man drops 4 items. Each boss has a pool of like 10-15 items it can possibly drop. You can only kill a boss once a week you will see the lockout on your game calendar they always reset the raids on Tuesday.

Honestly I like this system better then FFXIV spam the same fight over and over with low drop rates. Let's you gear up without having to spam like 300 runs to get 1 item. I would be in favor of a longer lockout with better drop rate on items. But they could just have different difficulty levels like in WoW have a easy for dungeon finder casual players, a normal for your average player, and a hard for your super hard core best 1% in the game type of player.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

A lot of people seem to not get how WoW works probably because they never played it. The loot system is actually pretty good when you think about it and it actually keeps a lot of people around.

Basically when you reach level cap you can run dungeons and heroic dungeons they are 5 man you can pretty much spam them and get justice points which will let you buy the previous patchs gear. They will give you gear set thats lower then whatever the current raid is but its entry level for doing the raid. Next step up in gear comes from their LFR system, which is basically an easy mode where you queue up get thrown in to a raid beat down some easy bosses, this drops loot better then the dungeon loot. Next we have normal mode raids which can't be queued for this is for your average guild and has a moderate difficulty, casual guild usually have more trouble with this but hard core people will breeze through this drops normal mode loot which is above LFR easy mode level. Then they have the heroic difficulty raids that is extremely hard and caters to about 1% of the games players who want to be the best and drops the best loot in the game.

Now they offer 2 different raid sizes 10 and 25 man. 10 man drops 2 items from each boss while 25 man drops 4 items. Each boss has a pool of like 10-15 items it can possibly drop. You can only kill a boss once a week you will see the lockout on your game calendar they always reset the raids on Tuesday.

Honestly I like this system better then FFXIV spam the same fight over and over with low drop rates. Let's you gear up without having to spam like 300 runs to get 1 item. I would be in favor of a longer lockout with better drop rate on items. But they could just have different difficulty levels like in WoW have a easy for dungeon finder casual players, a normal for your average player, and a hard for your super hard core best 1% in the game type of player.

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I like the way this system appears on paper...but in game having a dungeon with different difficulties seems to bland to me...I'd honestly prefer separate events all together. Meaning when I go in a dungeon, I don't want to see an option for easy mode>,<

It seems we have two differant situations at hand.

Situation1: Low drop rate but spamable dungeon.
Situation2: High drop rate but cooldown.

Most of us know Situation 2 was the system in FFXI. A great game that was successful for many many years.

When looking at situation 1 you can see right away that the ability to pick up the game and grab a party for Endgame at anytime you want is more focused for Casual players. Which is what SE wanted with FFXIV.

When looking at Situation 2 you see that it would have to be more of a planned scheduled event that has to take presence over RL if you want to atend the event. Not for the Casual players.

It looks like Situation 1 is what FFXIV is going to be...

The only thing you can hope for is that SE decides to add Both situations in the game to cater for all kinds of players.

I liked the OP solely because of the title.

Didn't read anything else.

I do understand what your are saying Alhan, but perhaps I didn't make my clear what I suspect. I think your proposal might have been the frame their final system was based on. Lets just say for reference that X = 2 hours and Y = 5% (note: arbitrary numbers for illustration purposes.) This system would favor hardcores the most. Causal player who can only log in for two hours a day could run the content once. Their chance at at drop 5%. Now lets say hcores can spend 12 hours logged in a day so they can run it 6 times. 6 x .05 = 30% chance at drop per day. As you can see hcore players will quickly run out of incentive to do the content making it harder for casuals to form parties or learn from more experienced players.

How do you balance this? I think they used fatigue and lowered the timer for wins. X = 15 min, Y @ 0 wins per 24 hours = 5%, Y @ 2 wins per 24 = 2.5%, Y 4 wins = 1.25%, and so on.

Now say a casual gets two wins in their two hours and then logs off. Chance of drop = 10%. Hcore also gets two wins per two hours and runs for 12. (2 x .05) + ( 2 x .025) + (2 x .0125) = 17.5% chance of drop.

Hcore players will be able to get complete sets before casuals, but the gap between the two groups isn't blown wide open. So they can still increase their chances by spamming the content with a low lockout, however diminishing returns kick in on their ability to get many wins.

**Just realized I didn't give enough wins to the Hcer in my example, but I'm about to run to dinner with my wife so I'm not fixing it. I think you can see where I'm going with this.**

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Does this portray your feelings about drop rates op?

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Originally Posted by Arksniper

Drop rates are fine. Deal with it. If they were like Garuda everyone and their mother would have it. Its called endgame content and you can do it every 20 min. Why do players have this sense of entitlement that because you do it 300 times you deserve X drops? Oh for the record I have done at lease hundred runs on both and 0 body drops and im ok with that because before MMO's became handmeWoWouts content was grinded for good drops.

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Yea / No i See your point in many players who whine about things like "jump" "mounts" and i need them now i can see your side on how some players have that entitlement behavior. But a MMO like and everyone always compares ot or wants a FFXI-HD but they did alot of things right before abyssea came out . Many players would still be playing FFXI if they would have dropped console support on ps2 and went to PS3 and added content that didnt break all the hard work you already done its that simple .

Now i posted this in other forums and some people touched on it here every event or endgame content that was on FFXI that was instants minus KINGs you got something that was usefull or a sence yeah im going to need that or yeah we just didnt waste 14-18hrs on AV/CC and got 500 explorers pants

2-3day cooldowns would be great

Dynamis - AFv2
currency

Limbus Ancient Beastcoins
-AFv2
Items to make AFv1 +1

Sky Weapons ( trigger nm's "Ullikummi" "Zipacna" dropped weapons and stones were 100%)
Abj.
Armor

Salvage Armor
Alexandrite

Basically that game was built in the principals of Having to be skilled community and was also main thing everyone in a shell wasnt about themselves well in most shells but the content like old instances and their drop rates were better and more rewarding then current system .

Also this game is talking about AF weapons like relics in 11 and i think that relics or anything thats held to that standard should require some effort to obtain not spamming to to rak million times to get them . im waiting for 2.0 to see if the game will survive to be honest im tired of seeing the same speed runs day in and day out and then the complete and utter crap that is primals in this game is something i would love to not see in2.0 thats all i typed too much

[cry]Drop rate in CC/AV/Hamlet + Error 30002 = my account cancelled, i´m really tired about spend hours and get nothing[/cry]

This is madness... There are tons of same thread complaint about the drop rate.

Why you guys are so crazy about the item? Even you get them all no one will care about it.

And if you can get it easily do u think what will happen next? Everyone will get it and wear it and you will look the same as anyone else and know what....no one care about it.

And can I aske you that when you got everything, do you plan to do it again? I think no.

And the worst part is, everyone will cry for new more content over and over and the dev cannot make it in few days and you guys will complain again.

I think dev and yoshi-p know what they are doing. Those gears are rare and it need to keep rare drop. I recommend that you should stop schedule run it cuz it very stress to do and I know it. Try to join if you feel like playing the game and wish you'll lucky.

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Originally Posted by LuciBlack

Situation2: High drop rate but cooldown.

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This. I hate with passion stupidly low drop rates.

If the devs are smart about this, introduce a mixture of new content with higher drop rates and cool-down, as well as more of the current type with low drop rates and frequent access.

The hard-cores will have lots to do with the non-cooldown stuff, and the moderate/casuals will enjoy higher drop rates with limited-access content.

Of course, the problem is (and will be) that too many players feel that they should be entitled to everything in the game, and should never be out of stuff to do, regardless of their play style or schedule.

Good luck making those types happy...

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Situation2: High drop rate but cooldown.

Most of us know Situation 2 was the system in FFXI. A great game that was successful for many many years.

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We didn't play the same XI.

It was long cooldown + low drop rate.

• Salvage was once a day, drop rate were just horrible.
• Limbus was once every 72hr, drop rate on AF+1 wasn't that bad considering you could pick the piece you wanted to upgrade, still 2 drops needed, so it lower your odds of getting them. Omega/Ultima were annoying, you couldn't repeat these often...
• Dynamis was once every 72hr, shit drop rate, especially when you consider the area rotation, if you are in a LS rotating all areas, you'll end up doing the area you need once every 3 weeks or so...
• BCNM/KSNM drop rate were horrible for best items too. No cooldown but gathering enough seals was some sort of cooldown (not like you could spam KS99...)
• HNMs had a decent drop rate, very high cooldown for some of them + competition factor (which is just like dividing drop rate in the end)...

I've only but a little questions ,

Why do you want SE to limited amount of time entering the instance per day or longer timer
while other people is happy with enter the instance rapidly?

Everyone has a different opinion ,
so why do you want other people who happy with it this way to be happy with it your way?

You ask SE to change things , but did other people want it too?

Yes , probably many people don't have thee same amount of time to sink per day
and you demand other people who got more time to sink to be limited in longer timer?
(assume that they already finished with all others content excepted one)


It's just sound weird. let's just assume some situation then
When people that already 7/7 on Ifrit , Moogle and Garuda
with has no interested in other content but AV and CC
can do both 5 times per day and/or have to wait for 72 hours timer for reenter

Don't you think if that happen the game will dies down? I don't know either.
So where's the problem really lies drop rate , timer or time sink which is it?

IMO people who has more time to sink ( or put more effort in to the game )
deserve more than the one who said he has real life matters to do and he demand
the same things that people who put more effort have.
( in the opposite way if someone demanding something in real life but they only play the game they not deserved it)

Everyone also have real life matters to take care of ,
some priority the game , some priority real life they both put effort in what they're prioritized.

I think ideally I'd like one of two situations:

A) Garuda's drop method, where you get guaranteed currency drops that you can use to claim a reward so you feel like making progress if you are unlucky on drops.

B) Some method where drop rates start high and decrease the more you complete a dungeon/boss and remain that way until a certain amount of time has passed (20 hours? Something like that. It could even be a gradual return to high drop rates as time passes instead of a complete reset once the timer is up). Rates could be averaged among the entire party upon entering so there is incentive to rotate people out or take a break.

Timed lockouts that prevent you from even entering an event are going to hurt more people than they help. Pickups will most likely die out, friends would not be able to help other friends who have varied schedules due to family/work, and players would have a lot harder time practicing fights which would be really harmful as the playerbase is afraid of trying out different strategies.

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Timed lockouts that prevent you from even entering an event are going to hurt more people than they help.

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Extremey unlikely, as long as they are kept to a reaosnable time period. And actually, I prefer "set number of wins per time period" to "play only once every x days."

e.g. 3 wins per day. Meaning failures don't lock you out of trying again. The average good player can probably put in 3 successful runs in a play session. People with much more time on their hands can then move on to other content until their win count is reset, instead of spamming the same event all day long. In FFXI, most endgame events were once per 3 days, win or lose. I think for the primal battles at least, this is a reasonable number if the drop rates were improved a little. (like 5% instad of what feels like less than 1%).

SE/FFxiv dev should post how many tappers i've used since i had any weapon drops, pretty sure its getting close if not more than 245 only had lots of DM & 4 totems

The thing is that say, a "3 wins only" system will only really work if we remain with personal loot lists, which are a double-edged sword. My issue is that it gives no incentive for anyone to help out once their number is up. If the drop rates diminish over time but never actually zero out, there is still a small chance said people will still get something so they will at least have some motive for sticking with a group. Of course I might be misunderstanding and if so I apologize.

I've seen the point raised up "The super low drop rates keep them rare, and special!"

What's so special about being lucky and getting a chest piece your first speed run ever?


You know what was special? When you had the Hard-mode max level achievment mounts in WoW. There was content that required several weeks for semi-hardcore, and many months for casual to ever beat. Once you beat it, you were rewarded every time you completed it.

Shadow ring and Shadow Mantle were special in FFXI. They had a nearly 100% drop rate.

All of AV's drop were extremely rare in FFXI ( besides the fact he was unbeatable except for bugs, but still :D)


WTB Dungeons that reset every 3 days. Have up to ~9 bosses in them, each with interesting design mechanics. The basic designs we have our great, but they could entirely expand upon them. Like with princess, make the waves progressively harder, with princess having more hp. With ogre, add in ghosts spawning on top of characters, more depth, and length to encounters.

Batraal is probably the only encounter i can think of to date that has this multi-phase element down. (When he was first being killed, before he got nerfbats, and players got buffbats)

~260 no weapon, last 3 runs same drops 3 dm & 5k gil

I've been trying Ifrit with my LS for a couple weeks now and we are getting close to killing him. So today, I start investigating how his drops work and literally had to laugh out loud when I realized what it was. Hearing about people killing him 50+ times and still not get the weapon they need? A high possibility of getting dark matter as our reward for weeks of wipes? Hilarious.

Go ahead and call me "lazy" and "entitled" or the type of casual gamer who has ruined MMO's or whatever. I thought this was 2012 and of course, like every other Japanese developer, SE is still stuck 10 years behind. Oh well. Maybe grinding yet another class to 50 through the same 3 zones will not get old yet. Endgame in FFXIV just died to me today as far as I'm concerned.

Yes folks lets all have full darklight and every primal weapon in the game, then we can all do that exciting endgame content that is impossible without them! Oh wait..

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Yes folks lets all have full darklight and every primal weapon in the game, then we can all do that exciting endgame content that is impossible without them! Oh wait..

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i think someone is missing the point.

"0.01% DIAF" doesn't mean "100% drop rates! FREE GEAR FOR EVERYONE!" It means that the mechanics behind obtaining the gear need to be revised to be less frustrating. Garuda is a bit of a step in the right direction, with a reliable drop of the toem-type things that you can trade in. But it can still be better. Hamlet Defense is probably among the worst right now, with an unhealthy level of effort required for the desireables to even drop at all.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

i think someone is missing the point.

"0.01% DIAF" doesn't mean "100% drop rates! FREE GEAR FOR EVERYONE!" It means that the mechanics behind obtaining the gear need to be revised to be less frustrating. Garuda is a bit of a step in the right direction, with a reliable drop of the toem-type things that you can trade in. But it can still be better. Hamlet Defense is probably among the worst right now, with an unhealthy level of effort required for the desireables to even drop at all.

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I really wouldn't say that about hamlet until we see just how powerful these AF weapons turn out... If they are anything like FFXI relics then they should be obscenely difficult and hamlet stuff should only be one tier of the content you must complete to obtain one...

Yeah the AF weapon will make you even more frustrating ,
since the developer themselves said from the start that
"AF weapon is not mean for everyone to have"
It's means that only people who have more time to sink got more chance of obtaining
and i'll see a lot of people who's going to complain about it

I'll just repost my favored idea for a loot system it would keep the 7/7 happy but also give the more casual players a good chance to atleast get 1 drop, without different modes or adjustments in difficulty. Enjoy

If i may i think the RNG loot drop for specific items is old news. If i may here is a type of system i prefer so i'll repost it. (fair warning when i give constructive posts threads die

As cool as it is to get the weapon drop from the boss. with the armory system the way it is and folks getting say x amount of swords in a row before they ever see say the Lance they actually want i really wonder if there is an optimal system.

So i'll throw my suggestion out there!

Instead of the full weapon being dropped, drop a universal base item, lets call it Ifrit's Molten Horn.

So you beat down Ifrit, and the Molten horn drops and you get it. Awesome, now what?

Behind Ifrit theres some sort of ather filled molten pool. take the Molten Hron to the pool, and choose your desired weapon. Say you want a lance. Horn plus pool equals the lance you chose.
(you now have a system where folks are still going for a drop rate. but atleast they can be rewarded the first time with the weapon they really wanted!)

Now as an optional part of this system. Have drop rate "success" measure per person. For every Molten Horn you've gotten your drop rate chance lowers by a perdetermined percentage. (To a set minimum. dont want folks ending up with a 0.0000001 drop rate. that would be aweful)

If we throw out a number say No horns recived and transformed = 30% you could take 3% off your chance. so by the time your going for the 7th weapon (currently 7 DOW/DOM classes) your at round 9% chance. (Also with being able to make materia out of Moogle and ifrit items might have to stick with Horns recived with a set minimum drop rate)

What this accomplishes: Folks who are only running Ifrit for 1 class'es weapon don't have to spend as many runs to get it as those who want all 7. But it also means you have to descide which you want most and least and how many times your willing to run for how many Classes.

Depending on the starting % (no weapons) and the ending percentage (6 weapons?) owned you might be able to drop the token system and not have to worry about 2 Drop rates to balance.

This way you get more of a Scaled reward system by how many runs you want to do vs how many weapons you want.

Those who want all will run it more. those who want one or two for their favorite classes can run a bit less. And everyone atleast gets the one they wanted in the first place!

Honestly, we all have a favorite class we want our best stuff for. would be nice to choose on the spot instead of Your buddy wants a sword, you want a lance, and you get a sword you didnt want. now your semi disappointed and so is your buddy. that isnt the feeling anyone should have when you take down a big bad boss.

What you want after downing any big boss is either "Darn maybe next time" or " Yes i got (Can get) something i always wanted!"

Thats how i feel. Let us make smart choices with a base reward we can change into what we REALLY went there for in the first place! (Not to mention if folks get a reward they wanted i belive they would be more likely to run it again with some other people, because they will remember a more positive or neutral feeling as apposed to varied negative feelings and then a positive one here and there.

I would agree a point system for Hamlet would be good, each mob drops a small amount of points and have the boss mob drop a higher amount of points + 1 random peice of low/medium/high gear at <5% chance.

The number of points per Hamlet win (this will be per person but will depend on other factors such are participation score/total mob kills/npc's alive/carts alive etc etc) should work out to be on average something like :-

Lvl 1 Hamlet = 100 points (max 150)
Lvl 2 Hamlet = 200 points (max 250)
Lvl 3 Hamlet = 300 points (max 350)
Lvl 4 Hamlet = 500 points (max 600)
Lvl 5 Hamlet = 1000 points (max 1200)

When handing in points for gear the required points should be something like :-

Low lvl gear = 5k
Mid lvl gear = 10k
High lvl gear = 20k

Obviously they can play around with this and increase/decrease where needed but that would be better than just getting anima and dark matter every round. Maybe they can add multiple boss stages, so 3 waves then sub boss, 3 more waves then main boss or even add in a mini primal battle so the mobs summon there primals to help and we get the lvl 25 version stomping in.

Back to ifrit drop rates:
3 More wins still nothing....
1 person in our group was 88 wins no drops altho he got 2 tappers in these runs, i only got dm!

Its just Insulting SE & FFXIV dev's so very insulting!
I honastly do feel like you owe me & other players weapons thats how bad it is! + you havn't fixed nor done anything about this so called latencey issue & i know you wont give us weapons for anything to compensate for being screwed for so long & so much, nor will you do anything about it soon. which is unacceptable!

2.0 will fail if the drop rates are anything like they are currently, cant say im honastly looking forward to it anymore.

LMAO, this game is sounding like WKC on ps3.. Pure grinding, fighting same boss thousands of time to rank up, gets boring real fast. So with this system it can take years or never for you to get a drop if you play casually 1s or twice a day. This system is created to cater to the low lives. What normal person has time to do a fight 30+ times a day every day? The normal player will never see progress.

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Originally Posted by Messatsu

LMAO, this game is sounding like WKC on ps3.. Pure grinding, fighting same boss thousands of time to rank up, gets boring real fast. So with this system it can take years or never for you to get a drop if you play casually 1s or twice a day. This system is created to cater to the low lives. What normal person has time to do a fight 30+ times a day every day? The normal player will never see progress.

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The normal players doesnt see progress as it is now, tell me how many hamlets have you done and how many gear drops have you got? Its reward vs effort and at the moment there is no reward for your effort....in a short while people will stop putting in the effort too.

They should simply make the totem (et. similia) drop with an 100% drop rate.

This will make people have 7/7 weapons in reasonable time and most of all take away the frustration generated by the 100 wins, no drop thing.

ALSO, the hardcore people (who already have 7/7) will be doing the fights again!!!!

You know why? Because they can now Materia-lize their weapons... I am NEVER gonna make materia out of my hard earned 7 Ifrit drops, since I NEVER wanna go back to farming the weapons with the current system.

But, if I knew that with 20 wins I could reclaim it back, then I would start making materia out of them... people would start farming them and there would be more people enjoying old content.....

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Originally Posted by Elexia

0.1% drop rates doesn't exist in this game. Play Ragnarok then play this game and come back and complain about low drop rates on what you want.



FFXI been doing it long before WoW even went into beta.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

Limbus, Dynamis, Slavage, Einjar, Assaults

Here's a few endgame scenario's in FFXI that have token or currency based rewards that could be exchanged to NPC's for gear. Arguably they also rewarded some of the best gear in the game(look at what it takes to make a relic or mythic)

Having a token based endgame isn't going to turn the game into Wow what matters is the scaling of content, how much players are rewarded, and how much you have to go through in order to complete said content. It looks like you have an issue with the pace of the game and not the drops/rewards

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Those things ...

And the delays between entries. We can do all this "EG" stuff as fast/often as we want cause we asked for it, they gave us SHITE drop rates in exchange. Longer entry delays, a "reasonable" currency/exchange rate, no not old Dyna pacing of 2 runs/week @20 currency/run needing 15k currency for completetion, that was excessive. Find the happy medium. 1 run tag every 12hrs stacked to 3 for each content so that you can like in nyzul choose to go every day, or go a few times every few days is a far better system for the "casual" and "hardcore" (such BS terms) alike. Everyone that's willing to put in some time will get stuff eventually, it's fair, it's scalable so that you can't get the "best" gear in a week, that "God Body" needs 5k AV coins @an avg. of 30 coins per run, so to get it your saving through 300+ runs @2runs/day, but the "mid grade body" is 2k so yeah if you want something nowish grab the "low grade body" for 500. Hell add to that having more than 1 of each piece at each grade, so DRG has 4 diff hi grade, 4 diff mid grade, 4 diff low grade, etc. content guarantees rewards over time, is scalable, stays worth going to because even if you don't get the random "defender's ring" from the "shadow lord" then at least your progressing to something.

Hell even farming pops and doing T1 NMs for Sea/Sky you got drops, and a crazy hi rate, so there was always some reward for the time put in.

Garuda is a step in a good direction, now if they'd fix the rate on Ifrit I'd actually have a weapon.

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Originally Posted by Viritess

I'll just repost my favored idea for a loot system it would keep the 7/7 happy but also give the more casual players a good chance to atleast get 1 drop, without different modes or adjustments in difficulty. Enjoy

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hmm i quite like the current system as it gives me, someone with no life something to do all the time. but i would vote for a 3rd way to obtain the weapons. maybe get a "Molten horn" with the same drop rate as totems, and have to craft the weapon. instead of just going to some anvil or "molten pool" clicking it and getting your choice of weapon.