Some healers are taking the entire ogcd heal thing to the extreme.

It's always either the healer breaking the Medica II/Cure keybinds, or the healer spamming Glare when 90% of the party is dead, in these threads. There never seems to be an in-between as in the situation mentioned by OP. It's never that the healer overdoing damage tunnel-visioning is wrong. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Iedarus

Get better gear.

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Better gear for an MSQ dungeon? What if they met the average? Clearly they did if they can enter the dungeon. =P

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Better gear for an MSQ dungeon? What if they met the average? Clearly they did if they can enter the dungeon. =P

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Her scenario was that everyone was WAY undergeared, so I gave the most logical solution to that.

If everyone was meeting the minimum gear requirements, the healer should stick with a more aggressive mindset via weaving oGCDS between their attacks until every oGCD has been exhausted. If this happens (usually due to weird dungeon power spikes or tank not using mitigations properly), then begin using your GCDs. I agree, GCDs only being used for prepulls and emergencies is a bad system, but this is the strategy that it encourages. Like I said before, if GCDs were made to be much stronger than oGCDs, and/or make unavoidable damage hit harder, there would be more reason to use them.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Hypothetical scenario:

Party running a dungeon, everyone is way under geared. Tank takes a ton of damage per auto attack from normal monsters and the dps take ages to kill anything.

WHM uses their OGCD heals, then just does dps the whole time, causing a wipe since those weren't enough due to the lack of gear.

Tank asks why they weren't healed. WHM says everyone tells them they aren't allowed to use ANY GCD on heals or they are a terrible healer. Meaning they can't use lillies or regens and such.

How does the party clear the content, per your own rules?

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Here's the funny thing about your hypothetical: Healers that only want to sit there and heal usually do terribly in this situation. The healers that only want to heal have no idea what their kit is really capable of. They know Cure I, Cure II if it's an emergency, and, if things go really bad, maybe they'll start using their other tools.

Healers who focus on DPS do so because they know how to use their oGCD tools to do so. They know their healing priority in terms of what to use and who to heal.

Your attempt at this "gotcha" just proves how little you actually know.

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Originally Posted by Iedarus

At this point, if they don't want healers to have a lot of DPS buttons, I'm all for strengthening GCD heals while weakening oGCD heals so healers actually have a reason to use them, thus breaking up the one button monotony even more. Either that or introduce a mechanic to the other healers that requires constant attention like Astrologian seals.

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that will make me super happy, and it will be even better if they give more buff/debuff ability to healer role

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Hypothetical scenario:

Party running a dungeon, everyone is way under geared. Tank takes a ton of damage per auto attack from normal monsters and the dps take ages to kill anything.

WHM uses their OGCD heals, then just does dps the whole time, causing a wipe since those weren't enough due to the lack of gear.

Tank asks why they weren't healed. WHM says everyone tells them they aren't allowed to use ANY GCD on heals or they are a terrible healer. Meaning they can't use lillies or regens and such.

How does the party clear the content, per your own rules?

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except whm has a plethora of oGCD heals at its beck and call - Benediction, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Tetragrammaton, Plenary Indulgence, Assize. If said WHM did not want to cast any GCD heals, that leaves them bereft of... cure 1 (which they shouldnt cast anyways) Cure 2 (which lillies replace, since lillies ARE NOT GCD heals*) Cure 3, Medica (which, again, lillies replace), and if they were being extreme about it, medica 2 and regen. Ultimately, the only thing theyre missing out on since theyve decided to take things to the extreme (which no ones told them to do so, btw :D) is regen/medica 2/cure 3.

I'll take the chance since I'm editing now to mention that Cure 3 has a specific niche usage that generally requires the party to cooperate with the white mage, and as such is rarely used outside of certain content.


*see spoiler

AR/AS are instant casts and require the lily to be up, and thus have the equivalent of 3 charges. Technically, if we're talking semantics, yes theyre on the GCD as they are able to be cast every 2.5secs, but they're only on the GCD every 30 seconds you're in battle. Which means that after your 3 "charges" you're waiting 30 seconds for a lily to be *able* to cast that Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture. If we took away the Lily Gauge visuals then there'd just be a 30 second timer after 3 charges spread between Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

except whm has a plethora of oGCD heals at its beck and call - Benediction, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Tetragrammaton, Plenary Indulgence, Assize. If said WHM did not want to cast any GCD heals, that leaves them bereft of... cure 1 (which they shouldnt cast anyways) Cure 2 (which lillies replace, since lillies ARE NOT GCD heals) Cure 3 (which, again, lillies replace), and if they were being extreme about it, medica 2 and regen. Ultimately, the only thing theyre missing out on since theyve decided to take things to the extreme (which no ones told them to do so, btw :D) is regen/medica 2.

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Uhhhh, Afflatus Rapture/Solace are both on the GCD and Rapture is equivalent to Medica 1, not Cure 3.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Uhhhh, Afflatus Rapture/Solace are both on the GCD and Rapture is equivalent to Medica 1, not Cure 3.

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AR/AS are instant casts and require the lily to be up, and thus have the equivalent of 3 charges. Technically, if we're talking semantics, yes theyre on the GCD as they are able to be cast every 2.5secs, but they're only on the GCD every 30 seconds you're in battle. Which means that after your 3 "charges" you're waiting 30 seconds for a lily to be *able* to cast that Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture. If we took away the Lily Gauge visuals then there'd just be a 30 second timer after 3 charges spread between Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture.

Though you're absolutely right about AR being the Medica 1 equivalent, and not Cure 3. I was doing 3 things at once while typing that, so my brain had a fart. I'll rectify that, as well as tack this on to the original post to clarify.

Whm in comparison too astro has really bad ogcds tools even for dungeons but that’s the reason you use Holy every pack. It’s a 10 second stun that replaces the ogcd tools whm doesn’t have.

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AR/AS are instant casts and require the lily to be up, and thus have the equivalent of 3 charges. Technically, if we're talking semantics, yes theyre on the GCD as they are able to be cast every 2.5secs, but they're only on the GCD every 30 seconds you're in battle. Which means that after your 3 "charges" you're waiting 30 seconds for a lily to be *able* to cast that Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture. If we took away the Lily Gauge visuals then there'd just be a 30 second timer after 3 charges spread between Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture.

Though you're absolutely right about AR being the Medica 1 equivalent, and not Cure 3. I was doing 3 things at once while typing that, so my brain had a fart. I'll rectify that, as well as tack this on to the original post to clarify.

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That 2.5 second cooldown is what defines a GCD action. Yeah, they can be instant or not instant, but if that is what you mean, you should just say that instead. FF was designed with a long cooldown to emulate turn based game, so you could say you get one GCD action a "turn".

See Machinist's Drill for a skill that is on the GCD, but also has its own personal cooldown, and Samurai's iaijustu for gcd skill that has prerequisites.

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AR/AS are instant casts and require the lily to be up, and thus have the equivalent of 3 charges. Technically, if we're talking semantics, yes theyre on the GCD as they are able to be cast every 2.5secs, but they're only on the GCD every 30 seconds you're in battle. Which means that after your 3 "charges" you're waiting 30 seconds for a lily to be *able* to cast that Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture. If we took away the Lily Gauge visuals then there'd just be a 30 second timer after 3 charges spread between Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture.

Though you're absolutely right about AR being the Medica 1 equivalent, and not Cure 3. I was doing 3 things at once while typing that, so my brain had a fart. I'll rectify that, as well as tack this on to the original post to clarify.

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I mean, Lilies are GCD heals. Straight up. Saying they're not is saying Regen isn't a GCD heal. They are spells, they are on the GCD.
The distinction is incredibly important in how a spell or ability is utilized. It's also important for +healing magic potency effects, what benefits from it and what doesn't. It even means they're not usable while silenced, and it means they will not bypass -healing received mechanics in earlier content, something tetra, bene, assize, and asylum CAN do.

It is not trifling semantics to separate oGCDs from GCDs. That they are not spammable does not change this.

Also, mentioning PI as an oGCD heal is kinda misleading. It's more of an oGCD buff to AoE GCD heals. Doesn't do you any good if you're not following it up with AoE GCD.
Hitting PI while a tank is on the brink of death will do you very little good. It will make Medica II stronger than Cure II over the duration in this situation - which also takes 0.5s longer to cast and forces a full clip if you're oGCDing after. If the tank is dying it's a little late for you to be applying HoTs.
Edit: I suppose it would actually make Cure III > Cure II on a tank in this very specific case by +50 potency, though. So there's that. I've certainly used PI Cure 3 in 2-tank multi-hit tankbuster scenarios as an oh-crap-cohealer's-dead button. I actually wish PI affected all our GCD healing, I see little reason why it shouldn't.

I get that we're poking fun at the hypothetical situation that has flaws already, but might as well be as accurate as possible with our responses.

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Here's the funny thing about your hypothetical: Healers that only want to sit there and heal usually do terribly in this situation. The healers that only want to heal have no idea what their kit is really capable of. They know Cure I, Cure II if it's an emergency, and, if things go really bad, maybe they'll start using their other tools.

Healers who focus on DPS do so because they know how to use their oGCD tools to do so. They know their healing priority in terms of what to use and who to heal.

Your attempt at this "gotcha" just proves how little you actually know.

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Nice try. I've been healing as my main role since 3.2

The point is everyone always says to never use any GCD heals ever, yet there are times where you won't clear unless you do.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Nice try. I've been healing as my main role since 3.2

The point is everyone always says to never use any GCD heals ever, yet there are times where you won't clear unless you do.

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Wow, way to admit you've been bad at this game since 3.2.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Nice try. I've been healing as my main role since 3.2

The point is everyone always says to never use any GCD heals ever, yet there are times where you won't clear unless you do.

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What you're missing here is if you have to use a GCD heal things have gone royally to shit and it's actually not your fault unless you're dying those same mechanics. Whether it's because your co-healer doesn't know what they're doing or not is only partially relevant to that equation. In all likelihood a significant portion of the entire party doesn't know what they're doing. And in those situations a Scholar's oGCDs will get tested, but diligence will get them through it. Come 6.0 you'll disregard Lustrate and micromanage Fey Union ticks for stray hits instead. Cause it's free.

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What you're missing here is if you have to use a GCD heal things have gone royally to shit and it's actually not your fault unless you're dying those same mechanics. Whether it's because your co-healer doesn't know what they're doing or not is only partially relevant to that equation. In all likelihood a significant portion of the entire party doesn't know what they're doing. And in those situations a Scholar's oGCDs will get tested, but diligence will get them through it. Come 6.0 you'll disregard Lustrate and micromanage Fey Union ticks for stray hits instead. Cause it's free.

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That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

Avoiding your basic heals is merely a goal; sometimes mistakes happen. Sometimes you or your party are inexperienced in the content. Sometimes your party is just *bad*.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't shoot for that ideal.

The stated mission of a healer is to keep their team alive and use damage whenever there's no need to heal.
The way healing jobs work, it prioritizes damage over heals. Actual time is spent on the nuke, which has a cast time, while there is a plethora of instant heals to be thrown out between nukes.
Endwalker will make it even worse, with cast times of nukes being shortened, which means healers will (be expected to) nuke nonstop while healing.

IMHO, all instant healing should get removed, sans one oh-shit-button per healer.
Damage spells should be instant cast and be the thing to weave in, while all heals should have cast times.

You could then even have various damage combos to use for different purposes. Single target nukes, dots, AOE. All instant, woven in between heals, which don't break the combo.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

The stated mission of a healer is to keep their team alive and use damage whenever there's no need to heal.
The way healing jobs work, it prioritizes damage over heals. Actual time is spent on the nuke, which has a cast time, while there is a plethora of instant heals to be thrown out between nukes.
Endwalker will make it even worse, with cast times of nukes being shortened, which means healers will (be expected to) nuke nonstop while healing.

IMHO, all instant healing should get removed, sans one oh-shit-button per healer.
Damage spells should be instant cast and be the thing to weave in, while all heals should have cast times.

You could then even have various damage combos to use for different purposes. Single target nukes, dots, AOE. All instant, woven in between heals, which don't break the combo.

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This could only work if they entirely reworked their encounter design along with it. If you took the current fights and simply changed healers to always spam GCD heals then all you end up with is a massive amount of overhealing that serves no purpose, making your role feel just as pointless because what are you spamming those heals for if nobody is taking any damage for up to a whole minute?

If there's no need to heal, then don't heal. You can do the DPS rotation as woven fillers between heals, or you do it without. Ranged physical DPS is all instants, I see no problem with that.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

If there's no need to heal, then don't heal. You can do the DPS rotation as woven fillers between heals, or you do it without. Ranged physical DPS is all instants, I see no problem with that.

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Methinks you use "weave" without understanding what it means. If you're "weaving dps in-between heals," that means the dps skills are oGCDs, and the heals are GCDs with either a 1.5 cast time or are instant. So, if we're just hitting these dps skills, that's many cycles of the GCD that are being wasted. That's bad gameplay.

I'm going to quote something I said earlier:

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

That's an awful a lot of words to say, "hEaLeRs ArE sUpPoSeD tO hEaL!"

You can sit there and smash Medica II until the cows come home, just don't be surprised when people don't want you in their party.

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That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

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WHM doesn't have as many oGCDs as SCH (6) and AST (4) {correct me if I'm wrong, I literally counted them both twice in game}. I don't know what its like on SCH as I barely touched it to get to 80 but for AST I can 100% heal with just 2 of my oGCDs if I have access to both with or without a cohealer in most content. Grim is correct in saying that things have to be pretty bad for me to dip into my GCDs as all 4 are on a 60s CD and since I know fights well enough one will almost always be off CD for me to use. If Lilies were on the oGCD, WHM would also have this issue.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

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First off, Lilies are still a damage loss, because they're spells. Second, Any time White Mage has to heal the situation laid out in that quote chain (dungeons) was often already a situation AST already had to, especially if you and the tank understand what Holy does. Thirdly, and more relevant to the general part of this thread, good players play around their cohealer. If some dumbass is pressing Medica II like it's the end of the world you bet I'm dumping stacks into Energy Drain if I know what I'm doing on SCH. Conversely, I expect to be the primary healer as a SCH, because Aetherflow and the Fairy let me do things AST and WHM straight up can't. Namely flex my healing cooldowns around into spots they can't or are encouraged not to cover with their oGCDs. That's the nature of the role right now.

I'll concede that WHM's got the least number of oGCDs to use in their kit. However, when paired with their higher potency DPS spells, hardclipping, and Assize's inflexibility, it generally means they want to be a straight on turret DPS if their co-healer is competent. Like it or not that's optimal, barring highly narrow edge cases where you need specific spells to shave a GCD. And I don't think figuring out efficient resource management is unhealthy for the game. It's the only thing that makes the entire healing role interesting to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

Nice try. I've been healing as my main role since 3.2

The point is everyone always says to never use any GCD heals ever, yet there are times where you won't clear unless you do.

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No, that's not what "everyone" (who is everyone ?) says ...
What experienced healers recommend is to optimize your healing in such a way that you contribute more to the party DPS. Whether you like it or not, this is what encounters are designed around. The amount of healing required to clear any kind of content in the game is so trivial that we don't have to worry about dying, except when :
1. Things went horribly bad in casual content
2. Mechanics are not being answered properly in hardcore content

Of course, if everyone is getting low on HP, a healer has to use GCDs if necessary to avoid the party dying. Everybody knows that ... What you're saying is essentially "But what if i'm in a weak party, and we meet a super rude and stupid healer that is so obsessed with their DPS that they let us die all the time and blame it on us ?" (for whatever reason ; undergeared, low DPS, tank not using CDs, etc ...).
Well the answer to that is you've met a stupid player, and that's it. That has nothing to do with their role as a healer, or the fact that experienced players say that healers should only use GCDs when necessary.

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That’s not true you can be forced to use the white mage lily aoe heal skill from regular damage. It’s a gcd like what are you talking about.

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Afflatus Rapture is just a free Medica, and no one uses Medica over Medica II. There's only a handful of cases where you'll see experiences WHM players using lilies :
1. They're very low on MP and need the free heal (almost never happens)
2. They need to do a lot of healing in a short window of time, so they're going for Afflatus Rapture + Assize + something else (depends on the content, but rarely the case too)
3. During downtime to charge up Afflatus Misery since that's the only thing lilies are good for :D (only possible in fights that have downtime)

I haven't played all the jobs in the game, so maybe it's just me, but right now i feel like they're one of the most useless class trait. To make an easy comparison with another job : Could you imagine playing SAM without using your sens ? Not really, right ...
But lilies ... sometimes you almost forget they even exist.

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It's near the end of SHB. I'm starting to get fed up with it because I keep encountering more and more Glare mages who refused to even cast medica on a raid wide aoe when lilies and assize are on cool down. It used to be selfish SCHs (in HW) behave this way acting like a DPS, but after SHB, more and more WHMs just wants to Glare.

I've seen this extreme case multiple times in neir raid with first time players in party lately. One time I had to pretty much suffer as a SCH spamming shield, indom, and fairy on cd because this Glare mage won't heal the party past 50% without lilies. The Lily system might need a nerf if there are players acting like hard cast healing spell is a sin or something. Really threw the whole teamwork out of the window.

Well let me update a bit more: My party had 4 new players. I expect them to die a lot. Couldn't use aetherflow stacks on lustrate. I have to save them for indom. The co-WHM basically ignore all the healing timing and died multiple times at half hp still refusing to medica. Party wiped at twin bosses, red girl, and last boss with back to back raid wide aoes when I only had succor left. I just wanted to farm glams, but next time I rather eat penalty. This one case was the most unpleasant one so far.

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I dont know why the glare bots/broil bots dont just play DPS class. All I can suggest Team up with friends who are more to do their jobs for you of healing when they should be or wait till EW, where ill make sure to keep ya healthy when DC comes. I gave up replying to the stupidity of this over and over, the way healers behave in this game is beyond me, and am a healer main. That is why I respect other old school mmos, because their fights is usually design to make the healer yes be a heal bot and throwing out some dps spells when your not to can signicially cause you to wipe on tough things.

I mean really then the come back is about people dont know how healer works and blah blah get over yourselves. Again your never gonna out dps a actual dsps like a blm/or sam but yeah not fighting this no more, all I can suggest friend is do what I said or have a person you know do their role. Ofc am not a heal bot or dps bot i am a balance bot heal+dps not do too much of the other its just so 100% pointless to do too much of one.

As a soon to be sage I will take only astro strictly as my co healer at least another fellow ast dont tend to be a malefic bot as much as a glare/broil bot like whm or sch, specially I know how upsetting it was when will purposely switch to noct if a sch dont wanna dish out a shield, well ill just aspect myself or someone about to die to make sure to cheese and not get hard hit by that mech to reduce major damage even if people ofc say shields are nothing compared to regens. but I enjoy having 90% health after a would be hard hit attack as I laugh at the regens barely keeping up and people is 90% damaged where a regen is suffering with its lame ticks to health them back up before some other nasty aoe big damage comes. My best and fav moments is just me and one tank or 2 tanks alive as am keeping all 3 of us fine health with me noct and end up winning all coms after I eventually get to astral statis the dps and the dps bot alive. I know the missing com will be from the dsps glare/broil bot

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I dont know why the glare bots/broil bots/bots dont just play DPS class.

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It's a pretty safe bet for an instant queue and it's easier to get away with being semi afk vs a tank. zzzzz =(

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Wow so many people are being mean to the OP. It’s just their opinion. Some I agree with tbh. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been killed by raid wides because the healers didn’t heal us up because they were to busy casting glare, broil and malefic. Not all healers do this. Let me be clear.

I’ve definitely had more great healers than selfish ones but the OP isn’t lying. There are some healers who just refuse to cast an gcd heal when their ogcd heals are all on CD and it sucks.

Maybe if the devs actually saw healers using their gcds maybe they would give them more dps options lol. Maybe.

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Oh dont worry Ill be the 1% that side with you and op because am the one 1% that agrees and is always been disgusted about this even in stormblood days with stone IV bots. As I say to you op or any other that feels the same as OP please link me up when DC comes to be your healer so you can enjoy being a dps and tank the way you want it to be, your happiness is my happiness. This is why especially sch was tone down to 1 button dps and people dare cry for more dps options? yeah as you said if dev saws healers playing their role more maybe we would get more dps buttons. Glad sage is gonna have instant shields, its pretty much a way better upgraded noct ast ohohoho.

People mention about not healing on 50% I lol at this far too many a time that over confidence of not healing by 50% and then everyone then lies down on the floor when dps green bot too busy throwing stuff, as usual ty god for noct aspect i just sling that on myself + at least one tank quick as I live with said tank while everyone else on ground. My fav red dps or even tanks who calls out green dps bots. It is not all dps/tanks/co heal gonna always like a dps bots whether yall wanna admit to this or not, its not that the tank or dps or heal bot as we say dont know how the play the game, we play the game it is intended to be to get what needs to be done.

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This is why especially sch was tone down to 1 button dps and people dare cry for more dps options? yeah as you said if dev saws healers playing their role more maybe we would get more dps buttons.

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So... Scholar became a 1 button DPS job because people were pressing more DPS buttons in the past and not healing, so they made it a 1 button DPS spam job and then design the fights where you're required to press this button 100+ times per fight in order to clear because there's very little that needs to be healed... and you still get upset that people are pressing that 1 button because they can handle everything without using GCD heals?

Does that make sense to you?

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So... Scholar became a 1 button DPS job because people were pressing more DPS buttons in the past and not healing, so they made it a 1 button DPS spam job and then design the fights where you're required to press this button 100+ times per fight in order to clear because there's very little that needs to be healed... and you still get upset that people are pressing that 1 button because they can handle everything without using GCD heals?

Does that make sense to you?

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Let me make it more clear for you. I am a balance bot I health+shield/regen and buff , I dont mash heals 100% or 100% press dps button, i 50 50 of doing both and never have issue doing that playing as ast and still can even outdps the dsps green bot, when your dead for a few secs on whatever on the floor (green dps bot) not even healing yourself and had me waste my mp to res you. Also at that point wont the heal/balance bot over come you in dps parse? I just lol when you res a co heal dps bot and they are so into dps only to kiss the floor again not a single heal on themselves and then people gonna mention griefing or ofc call us heal bots oh the audacity and hypocrisy of calling people heal bots but yall are dps bots. You sound mad cause I dont agree on the green dps bot wagon cause am truly not or the fact I throw a blow on scholar which is factual. Cause that is what sams blm and ALL DPS are made for to do more damage than us. Finally again umm want more dps buttons play dps, mercy how much time must I say that.

My fav is fate breaker when he hits you with that nasty huge thunder buff and ofc I just always know if its on the dps green bot they are dead vs the heal or balanced bot. Over healing /shielding/regening or Over dpsing both is a stupid mentality. Does this make sense now? Oh the ever so angry scholars on Astros behind, Now will you also chew up on sages too?

Fyi am not angry, I do not care about random dps co heal bots anymore when I got my full fledge co healer friend with me or simply I will just solo heal easily an entire party as ast while your laying down there after, cause as squall says earlier in this post, ast whether noct or dirunal is way stupidly powerful to literally solo take care heal of a party by themselves while doing great dps, something a whm or sch can never do in oh snap my ast co healer is dead what should i do moment. Also do not be mad if a pld wanna clem or rdm wanna vercure themselves if they feel they not being heal enough and dont wanna die and drops some dps, its not on the pld or rdm its on the healer.

People are gonna do what they want, how they want, when they want, it aint about all the time please what a bunch of randoms want from you, A person is mostly to play anyway a swf more than listen to some random. If my friends want pure dps ill give it and not heal (like my pld brother ) or if they want me to do as much heal or so they can amma do it, makes em happy and me happy, your a random? umm not saying I dont care but how I see how your playing(well co healer at least) is my answer whether or not I want to co operative with you, Id much rather a blm/sam be greedy for up time and tip over to a avoidable mech than a green dps bot period as even if they dead and I res em even if for a few seconds I bet them on parse eventually they will just simply catch up and pass me again.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely do not understand what you're attempting to say.

You will be alright, maybe look up what balancing is, have a nice day now.

Not really sure what you writing a text wall of unintelligible nonsense that you edited a bunch and still failed to convey whatever it was you were trying to say has to do with my character's race in game, but if you're not looking for good faith conversation and instead just want to attack people, save yourself the time and effort next time and just don't bother, okay?

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

Let me make it more clear for you. I am a balance bot I health+shield/regen and buff , I dont mash heals 100% or 100% press dps button, i 50 50 of doing both and never have issue doing that playing as ast and still can even outdps the dsps green bot, when your dead for a few secs on whatever on the floor (green dps bot) not even healing yourself and had me waste my mp to res you. Also at that point wont the heal/balance bot over come you in dps parse? I just lol when you res a co heal dps bot and they are so into dps only to kiss the floor again not a single heal on themselves and then people gonna mention griefing or ofc call us heal bots oh the audacity and hypocrisy of calling people heal bots but yall are dps bots. You sound mad cause I dont agree on the green dps bot wagon cause am truly not or the fact I throw a blow on scholar which is factual. Cause that is what sams blm and ALL DPS are made for to do more damage than us. Finally again umm want more dps buttons play dps, mercy how much time must I say that.

My fav is fate breaker when he hits you with that nasty huge thunder buff and ofc I just always know if its on the dps green bot they are dead vs the heal or balanced bot. Over healing /shielding/regening or Over dpsing both is a stupid mentality. Does this make sense now? Oh the ever so angry scholars on Astros behind, Now will you also chew up on sages too?

Fyi am not angry, I do not care about random dps co heal bots anymore when I got my full fledge co healer friend with me or simply I will just solo heal easily an entire party as ast while your laying down there after, cause as squall says earlier in this post, ast whether noct or dirunal is way stupidly powerful to literally solo take care heal of a party by themselves while doing great dps, something a whm or sch can never do in oh snap my ast co healer is dead what should i do moment. Also do not be mad if a pld wanna clem or rdm wanna vercure themselves if they feel they not being heal enough and dont wanna die and drops some dps, its not on the pld or rdm its on the healer.

People are gonna do what they want, how they want, when they want, it aint about all the time please what a bunch of randoms want from you, A person is mostly to play anyway a swf more than listen to some random. If my friends want pure dps ill give it and not heal (like my pld brother ) or if they want me to do as much heal or so they can amma do it, makes em happy and me happy, your a random? umm not saying I dont care but how I see how your playing(well co healer at least) is my answer whether or not I want to co operative with you, Id much rather a blm/sam be greedy for up time and tip over to a avoidable mech than a green dps bot period as even if they dead and I res em even if for a few seconds I bet them on parse eventually they will just simply catch up and pass me again.

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Pardon? =(

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

I said I didn't understand what you were trying to say. You in turn, respond to that by attacking my character's race (which you edited out because I'm sure you understood how bad it looked) and now you're calling me an idiot for not understanding? How is saying that I don't understand something attacking you? You could attempt to clarify what it is that you're trying to do, but instead you immediately go for the personal insults.
Again, if all you want to do is fling insults, save yourself the trouble and just don't reply.

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But your still replying so I guess your enjoying this. If you were not being rude, you would at least say not to sound like am being rude but what exactly do you mean, or can you explain, certain things a person put even if its not made to be rude can be seen as rude. Its a pixel game who cares its not like am talking about RL race, besides lalas are usually memed.

Do not even try to pretend you saying your not understanding is you being nice ways, one can easily detect when one is being sarcastic. By simply already saying that makes no sense, you was straight up rude first period. text wall of unintelligible nonsense is not throwing insults? If you throw blows at someone, expect to get it back, if you cannot handle the blow back then do not pick a battle to begin with.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

But your still replying so I guess your enjoying this. If you were not being rude, you would at least say not to sound like am being rude but what exactly do you mean, or can you explain, certain things a person put even if its not made to be rude can be seen as rude. Its a pixel game who cares its not like am talking about RL race, besides lalas are usually memed, I dont do it really but that is reality

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Yeah, I am replying? That's how forums/conversation works?
You're the one who immediately thought I was being rude when I said I didn't understand. That's not on me, that's on you.
"Its a pixel game who cares its not like am talking about RL race"
Which is why you edited your comment to take it away right? You don't really do it, except the one instance where you're trying to insult and belittle me because you immediately spring to insults?

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

By simply already saying that makes no sense, you was straight up rude first period. text wall of unintelligible nonsense is not throwing insults? If you throw blows at someone, expect to get it back, if you cannot handle the blow back then do not pick a battle to begin with.

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Don't lie; that comment came after you decided to attack me and my character's race after I said I didn't understand what you were trying to say. You're the one who started this hostile interaction, not me.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Yeah, I am replying? That's how forums/conversation works?
You're the one who immediately thought I was being rude when I said I didn't understand. That's not on me, that's on you.
"Its a pixel game who cares its not like am talking about RL race"
Which is why you edited your comment to take it away right? You don't really do it, except the one instance where you're trying to insult and belittle me because you immediately spring to insults?



Don't lie; that comment came after you decided to attack me and my character's race after I said I didn't understand what you were trying to say. You're the one who started this hostile interaction, not me.

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You care that much a video game that a race thing for a game(not real life) bothers you. Sweetheart you insulted me first you said what I said makes no sense please go back to your first post. Is stating to someone that makes no sense instead of saying something more like, excuse me can you explain it more, or am not sure what your getting at or from what I am trying to understand, you know 10+ more ways of coming off positive than being negative not sure why you keep talking about the not understanding part. I will use what you say back, yes am too replying to your post but your saying am wasting my time yet your replying back lol. (, save yourself the time and effort next time and just don't bother, okay?) aint the same thing you should do?

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

So... Scholar became a 1 button DPS job because people were pressing more DPS buttons in the past and not healing, so they made it a 1 button DPS spam job and then design the fights where you're required to press this button 100+ times per fight in order to clear because there's very little that needs to be healed... and you still get upset that people are pressing that 1 button because they can handle everything without using GCD heals?

Does that make sense to you?

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Was this not your first post after my comment? Ok I admit you did not say this makes no sense but its almost pretty much the same thing saying I have no sense in a different way.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

You care that much a video game that a race thing for a game(not real life) bothers you. Sweetheart you insulted me first you said what I said makes no sense please go back to your first post. Is stating to someone that makes no sense instead of saying something more like, excuse me can you explain it more, or am not sure what your getting at or from what I am trying to understand, you know 10+ more ways of coming off positive than being negative not sure why you keep talking about the not understanding part. I will use what you say back, yes am too replying to your post but your saying am wasting my time yet your replying back lol. (, save yourself the time and effort next time and just don't bother, okay?) aint the same thing you should do?



Was this not your first post after my comment? Ok I admit you did not say this makes no sense but its almost pretty much the same thing saying I have no sense in a different way.

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No, I'm asking you why did you edit it out of your comment to begin with if it's not an issue? If you don't see an issue with it like you're saying, why not stand by what you said originally instead of editing your post completely?
And yes, I stand by what my original post to you said; your comment didn't make sense. If they don't want healers to be "DPSbots" then they shouldn't design fights to require healers to do DPS. Saying that they didn't want Scholar to be doing DPS, so they removed it's DPS options doesn't pass scrutiny, because every raid in this game wants Scholar and every other healer to be doing damage.

I never said I was wasting my time, I said if you don't want to engage in good faith discussion and just want to fling insults at the drop of the hat, don't bother responding. Clearly, coming to these forums for discussion isn't what you want to do, and instead you want to complain about people you don't like, and gloat and laugh at those who may want different things from the game than you, judging by comments such as "Enjoy crying for more dps button." and your previous one that you edited out completely where you said you were going to enjoy laughing at everyone here asking for DPS options on healers.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

No, I'm asking you why did you edit it out of your comment to begin with if it's not an issue? If you don't see an issue with it like you're saying, why not stand by what you said originally instead of editing your post completely?
And yes, I stand by what my original post to you said; your comment didn't make sense. If they don't want healers to be "DPSbots" then they shouldn't design fights to require healers to do DPS. Saying that they didn't want Scholar to be doing DPS, so they removed it's DPS options doesn't pass scrutiny, because every raid in this game wants Scholar and every other healer to be doing damage.

I never said I was wasting my time, I said if you don't want to engage in good faith discussion and just want to fling insults at the drop of the hat, don't bother responding. Clearly, coming to these forums for discussion isn't what you want to do, and instead you want to complain about people you don't like, and gloat and laugh at those who may want different things from the game than you, judging by comments such as "Enjoy crying for more dps button." and your previous one that you edited out completely where you said you were going to enjoy laughing at everyone here asking for DPS options on healers.

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I am complaining? I made the post? or do you simply where I said and agree with sweet pete that the mind set of green dps bots on this game is nuts, also you apparently is missing where I say a Dps green bot is just as bad as a healer bot, I said am a Balance bot the type that does heal and dps where one is more a priority over the other, how is that complaining? Did I say I do not like someone...... please find where I say I dont like someone, unless you mean the part where I hate teaming with random co healer green dps bots vs teaming with a co healer friend who I know will do their fair share of balance as well, If that is complaining my apologies lol.

Oh hey! A familiar face :rolleyes:

Guess they're back for another episode of emotional breakdown! Ready your popcorn, fellas!

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Oh hey! A familiar face :rolleyes:

Guess they're back for another episode of emotional breakdown! Ready your popcorn, fellas!

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I know right? You know what is the fun one the the one complaining about ast 6.0 changes with how many posts about rng of ast its quite lovely. Too bad I love the changes though and have 0 complaints on it. A real familiar face is in there indeed.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Oh hey! A familiar face :rolleyes:

Guess they're back for another episode of emotional breakdown! Ready your popcorn, fellas!

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I bring up The Room two days ago and in comes Tommy Wiseau.