Then play the role you chose ingame. When you pick warrior, you choose to tank - so tank. If you don't want to tank, then do not play a tank class simple as that.
Tanking is hilariously easy but I dont like when people pretend there is just no responsibility on the DPS at all. If you dont do your rotation properly (not asking for oranges here, just using the all the buttons you have in a reasonable sequence) you are holding 3 other people back.
Warrior already has the least amount of actions of any tank, it really isnt that hard. Tanks have extremely simplified rotations. Just use your aoe attacks, hit your mitigation and the trash pulls will work themselves out.
I mean they have quite a few level 80s and they haven't done any content above dungeons as far as I can tell. So it seems like all they do is level jobs to 80 and then stop playing them.
This mindset kinda falls inline with the attitude their displaying now and why people don't enjoy having them in their party.
Just because Players don't level all Jobs, they are noob Dungeon Players? Leveling Jobs is not a must you know. So tell me what I have achieved till now in this Game? Take a look into your Crystal Ball and let us all know what you know about "Players like me"
By the way Thank you SE for your ignore funktion, had today a nice time with it, first time ever that i used this in all Forums I have ever been. Congratulations to all those Winners.
actually, warriors in "all other games" do not tend to be DPS. in WoW there is a dps spec, but generally, warriors are tanks.
here's something that may help you see whats going on.
you go into a pizza place, they have 4 pizzas, thats all they make. its fantastic pizza, but all they have are the four pizzas for sale. you are asking for ice cream.
in this game, and I am sure after 25 years of experience you do realize this is not all the other games you can play, this game does not have multi spec jobs like WoW does. if you play Warrior, you are a tank. thats all you are, thats your one job. you gear as a tank, and in dungeons, you are the tank. yes, thats the way SE made the game, and given gear space limits, I am glad they did.
I am glad you know how to play a tank, healer or dps... so question is.. .why do you play a tank to be a dps? thats not your Role.
I would recommend just not playing a warrior then.
Tanks get a lot of harassment. It comes with being a tank and in my experience the only way to stop it is to always do big pulls and keep in front of everyone using sprint.
When you run ahead and pull everything there is no time for them to harass you and if you keep in front of them then they cannot pull for you.
OP, im sorry but the way FFXIV and its holy Trinity system, WAR in this game will be anything other than a tank, just like how i wish RDM had more healing abilities and vercure II, its simply won't happen sadly
If you want to be a WAR DPS, you could play FFXI, they are a heavy DPS/off tank job that is the only ones who can equip every weapon
FFXI is a fun game and the game isnt very restrict with roles since alot of jobs are hybrids or support roles ( like geomancer)
https://youtu.be/7PiQx074iXU
yeah bro i can troll too
ima run through everything and aggro the instance without tank stance too
wooo weeeee u can tell me how to play when u pay my sub
Alright alright, fun is fun but we found you. If this is another Titanmen alt, go ahead and put on your fedora.
I mean, come on, your face is your shield, you go mano a mano with the boss to protect your allies, you guide them through the darkness! Yeah, sometimes you will get a healer that made a mistake here, or a DPS that made a mistake there or even you will make a mistake and invoke the ire of the group, but at the end of the day, being a tank feels like being the hero of the tales of old!
The class system in FF14 is different compared to other MMOs. Your class is always fixed to your role in a group/raid. If you do not want to tank then switch your job.
And i do not like the FF14 class concept. But it is what it is and i can live with it.
Cheers
OP is in a big surprise when they try heal or dps. Might even go back to the safe and comfortable tank
You're asking for something that isn't going to happen, period. That's what is wrong with you. I have a Paladin and love the aesthetic and theme of it.. but I would much rather have the option to play it as DPS since I rarely if ever enjoy being tank in anything that isn't a trial or alliance raid.. yet I know full well that PLD is and always will be a tank. They're not going to turn your WAR's icon red just because you don't want to tank.
Another example, I love playing WHM, yet I would much rather just be a full time healer than to split my attention between healing and DPSing.. I am a bit bad at splitting my attention as someone with ADHD, I can manage it, but it inevitably leads to me making mistakes. Again.. they're not going to do what I want because that is not the intended design of the job and role.
People are giving you alternatives like picking up a DPS job because you clearly don't want to be a tank and because they realize your request to let you play WAR as a DPS is not possible.
Just because people aren't giving you the answers you want doesn't mean that there's something wrong with them. Nor does it mean that you have any reason to just start insulting people.
The warriors role is a Tank.
That's pretty much all there is
I cant play my WHT mage and expect to only dps cause I'm able to do it...
Based on posting history, I don't believe OP to be a troll and the request appears to be genuine.
However, their replies so far bring to light why they seem to encounter so much hostilities in their groups: they are the one initiating them. I had initially suspected as much but wanted to give them benefit of the doubt.
There have been plenty of polite and level-headed responses to your inquery. You can accept them and try to reconsider your position or offer equally reasonable counterpoints but going to war with everyone that disagrees with you isn't going to accomplish anything.
while i agree jobs should have had the option to be another role. (example being WAR) the current tank design already makes you a DPS.
the only difference is, that when a DPS cant stand in bad, you usually can. but to compensate for that, you have to press CDs to make sure u can keep DPSing, and not be dead. (Which is no different than a DPS not standing in bad, so they dont die, and can continue to DPS)
its literally just a DPS with a tank stance.
your experience wouldnt be any different as a DPS, other than WAR currently having a rather simplistic rotation. If ppl are complaining, it wouldnt be much different if u did the same thing as a DPS. (example, if you choose to AoE less mobs as a tank, ppl would still be mad at you for AoEing only half the pack of mobs as a DPS)
Love that my thoughts on your surname is what you took from that, not that you should be embarrassed to be an adult acting this way on a public forum.
I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0 and I have rarely encountered hostility toward tanks that are even just mediocre. In my experience you have to be screwing up a run pretty heinously to have someone be aggressively vocal or derogatory to you. I'm not referring to people giving advice or being constructive - if you choose not to receive well-intended conversation that's on you.
Based on my experience, and how you're choosing to respond to people on this thread, I'm inclined to believe that if you're consistently getting negative feedback then the problem might be more to do with your attitude rather than with the other players you encounter. You seem to get defensive instead of trying to engage in a productive conversation. You're approach in your other thread was very much "don't tell me how to play my role", while speaking poorly of how others play their roles. That's just asking for negativity.
The whole 'Is this a racism?" debate has nothing to do with the original topic, and OP is the one going off the rails, so I think it may be a good time to lock the thread and move along. Nothing productive is going to be said from this point forward.
I'm finding it exceedingly hard to take this topic seriously considering you've been playing for; at least, two years if your forum join date is anything to go by. You have a few jobs to 80 and several pushing 60+ and the majority of DoL and DoH maxed out. You know how this game works.
If you're asking for different specs/play styles like WoW/GW2 (respectively) then, no. Hell no. WoW is a balancing nightmare that even after 17 years the devs can't seem to get right. In terms of a GW2 style, that would just make our inventory/armory system even more of a cluster **** than it already is; also specs would present the same problem, so that's a hard pass. If it's systems like those that you're looking for then there's good news, those games exist with those play styles and one of them is even free to play.
Tanks are tanks, healers are healers, dps are dps. You chose tank, play the role or switch.
If I reduce you to a country because of your Name and tell you then so, is it okay to do so? Even if i don't know you. Would you like it? Or if I reduce you to something else, by your Character Name, would you like it? All I posted was that I would like to choose how I play my Warrior, that I would like to choose between Tank / DD. But you all came to my Posting and thought it would be a great idea to make here a havoc of a simple Thread. It was okay till that Comment in Posting #59. You will not make a Statement like that in a Forum, you can keep it to yourself.
The Forum Rules says: Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual. Is not allowed. And now read this Thread and tell me how someone should behave after all comments. Special after that one comment. Should I pretend that I have not read it, would it be to your likeings?
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At this point.. I don't know what to say anymore. I literally can't comprehend how utterly mind numbing this thread has gotten at this point.
I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
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Dear Aneshda,
Common sense is a thing, and the world lives with it. You might want to be "out of the box", but common sense will weigh you back down. Therefore, you should (if possible) have some of it, too. SE might add some more flashy skills to make it seem like WAR is doing big damage, but it will never - EVER - be a DPS (or DD as you keep calling it).
If the game is causing you so much distress, I suggest you leave it and play something else to have a peace of mind.
Sincerely,
A concerned fellow FF14 Player.
Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. You came in with a rant about how everyone else makes tanking a bad experience for you. You didn't create a post designed for constructive conversations about the real benefits of choosing role. Instead, you focused on why you should play how you want because of your disdain for others. If you're going to start a thread with negativity, then you've already set the tone for what follows.
- You are Level 71, play Trust
- Play another Job
- You are a bad Player
- Maybe Samuari would be something
- I don't understand what you are asking for
- Tanks are Tanks
- Warriors are Tanks, change your Job
- Go to Bozja
- Your mentality ...
- May I ask you if you started recently and if you bought your Job till Level 70?
- Is this a Troll ?
- They have quite a few Level 80's and they haven't done any content .... #45
- Don't play a Warrior then
- Another Titanmen alt ...
- OP is in a big surprise when they try to Heal or dps .... (Not that my Main Class was Scholar)
- Nah they're just a normal german player with an amazingly bad take this time around
- You're asking for something that isn't going to happen, period. That's what is wrong with you. (You work for SE?)
- You should be embarrassed how you're handling yourself right now (right just pretend Comment #59 was all okay)
- OP is the one going off the rails
- Everyone's response.
- I find it very funny that OP never replies to ANY of the constructive responses.
- Go ahead and re-read your original post. It's not a "simple request" that you made. (I did. If i am Tank / then you are DD or Healer! If you as Healer pull Mobs and abuse often Rescue on a Tank to pull him into the Mobs you have pulled, that is okay for you? If you pull as DD and die and blame me then for it, because you are not willing to let Tanks do their Job. Who do you blame, when you did your Job but Healer and DD won't let you do it? Do you see your logic?)
- The other half of the comments i can't list here cause those Players won a Place in my Ignore List.
Show me the constructive one in this List of Answers ....
So what I get from all this is that the OP wants to play a tank without actually being a tank in group content and came here to complain about negative experiences they had when they tried to force this on other people in game that were caused by their own cancerous attitude and behavior which has continued into this thread as well. At which point when they finally realized they were getting nowhere they then resorted to accusing people in the thread as being racist while displaying a lack of understanding what racism actually is. At this point the OP needs to go do some self reflection on their behavior and actions. They claim to be an adult but displayed the mental maturity of an 8yr old through this entire thread.
I think folks have been misunderstanding the OP's original point. I don't think it's a question of if they know how to play their class, it's more "I want to do DPS with an axe" which, y'know, makes sense. There isn't any DPS that fits that kind of fantasy: In fact the only DPS jobs that use two handed melee weapons are Dragoon and Samurai.
Personally I think it would be a great thing to have someone with a big thing and just going, "haha puny go squish". Maybe a Berserker job or something? I think that would be pretty neat myself!
EDIT: I looked back on some of the earlier posts...How did this thread become such a dumpster fire?
Most of the advice you got early on is spot on, and is recommended to basically anybody asking for advice. In fact, several of those are literally the same thing: try a different class or role. If you aren't having fun doing WAR, then find something else that is fun. I personally stick to tanking, because I can barely remember the long rotations on most DPS, and when I do play DPS I mostly stick to MCH for its relatively much simpler rotation.
As far as changing WAR to be more DPS or whatever, the biggest reason everybody says it is highly unlikely they will ever change how they do it is because there's about 8 years of precedence of them not doing that. It's not just a matter of thinking "well, they haven't yet," the developers have a very clear vision on how classes work, and they haven't deviated from that. In fact, they've gone in the opposite direction, making the roles more clearly locked in place and defined, such as by the removal of the cross class skills.
The rest isn't really advice, just arguing.
Game design such as it is in FFXIV isn't like WoW where jobs are sometimes multi-role with different specs. Instead the idea here is if you want to play a different role you play a different job. That concept is why you can unlock every single job on your character but in a game like WoW you can't. Without a dramatic shift in game design philosophy for FFXIV, your request for multi-role jobs will go unanswered. Your only viable option is to play a different job if you don't want to tank.
Think of it this way: Warrior is your characters tank spec, you don't want to tank, so change specs. WoW limits you to 3 specs per character (save druids 4) FFXIV gives every character every spec.
At no point was I debating who is at fault for causing failures in a dungeon. You're the one who keeps pushing this. What I'm referring to is your approach to this thread.
You're acting as though you innocently came in with a reasonable request that Warrior should be allowed to do more than one role. That's not how it was presented. Instead you wrote your post as though you're a victim of being a tank and everyone else is the problem so you should be able to play however you want. Do the situations you described happen? Sure. Are tanks sometimes bad? Also, yes. No role is perfect all the time. Your post comes off as aggressive toward other players rather than trying to actually showcase why you think Warrior as DPS would be a positive addition.
Even now, your responses continue to be defensive and you don't appear to be open to an actual conversation. You're so fixated on showcasing how other players are ruining your job experience. The devs aren't going to read youre thread and even if they did, it's not presented in a way that anyone meaningful would take seriously. Who is supposed to be your audience here?
All you've done is continue to be negative and make yourself completely impossible to sympathize with.
To the point of multi-roles for jobs, I for one always love having flexibility and customization. Unfortunately this game was jjst not designed that way, and it's doubtful we will ever see it come to pass. We already sort of saw it with Summomer and Scholar and they said they'll never do that again. I think we just have to accept at this point that XIV sticks to the roles aside from sidequest zones like Eureka and Bozja.
I understand that you want to play Warrior as a DPS, but are you open to trying other jobs that may feel similar? Otherwise if you continue to play Warrior, then as others have said it is essentially a DPS with Tank responsibility. I get the frustration of tanking sometimes, but honestly every job has frustration that comes with other roles. I primarily DPS and I can't even keep count of how many times I've had tanks do stupid things. But it's not the end of the world and I move on.
Because from what I have read through the OP got super angry, aggressive & hostile with people were reasonably replying to them.
An aside - the first thing to jump out at me was how OP was responding to people. It reminded me of the person who wanted to argue about seasons, even some of the turns of phrases.
People have been answering, you just ignored what they were talking about or somehow didn't read them fully?
To answer your original post:
Content is designed and meant to be cleared with a particular set of roles in place:
4 man content - 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 DPS.
8 man content - 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 DPS.
8 man Alliance Raids - 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 DPS.
If you were a warrior (a tank) going into the dungeon (4 man content) through Duty Finder and chose to not to tank, then who's the tank in the dungeon soaking the huge damage? The DPS or healer? Their HP and defense isn't high enough.
All jobs in this game only have one role - because their skillsets are designed for a particular role. To have jobs do multiple roles, the devs would have to make a completely separate skillset for that particular role - which is essentially designing another job from scratch. That's not feasible at all, with how much effort it takes to make one job and continue to expand on it for future expansions. What you're suggesting essentially triples the number of "jobs" we have. It's completely irrational to think the dev team can design 36 new jobs when they're already put under pressure to update 18 jobs' skillsets, not to mention how much effort it takes to add one to two new jobs every expansion. To save time to work on other things in the expansion, they even had to cut individual Job Quest Stories with Role Quests.
Now you tell me, do you think what you're asking is very feasible?
There, I underlined the constructive ones.
At the end of the day, XIV uses a trinity-system, where jobs fall under one of three categories: Tank, Healer, and DPS.
Warrior is a Tank in this game. The dev team have said countless times they're not going to do branching jobs anymore since balancing SMN and SCH was too much for them and aren't going to try anything like skill-trees.
It's one thing to make a fun thread for a pipe dream, it's another thing to be actively aggressive and rude to people who are telling you straight facts or are trying to understand what it is you want. :B
Wow I wasn't expecting this kind of reaction, but uhh before someone maybe misunderstands (maybe too late for OP) I phrased my response to the person I quoted (not OP) who jokingly floated the idea that this was another "Titanmen Brand" thread so I went and checked OP's post history for a lark. I put in German because so far no regular GD forum troll has used other languages besides English in their posts so this was unlikely to be our standard troll post and just someone with a bad take and a bad attitude. But yeah that was just an assumption on my part, OP could be from any number of nations that use German as an official language, so my bad.