I'll tell you one thing that *is* definitely garbage about DR:
https://i.imgur.com/XRVYs8O.png
So, yeah. Raid-wide damage is a thing in all the encounters. And neither of the other groups spared a healer. So we just died... again... and again... and again to aggregate damage.
Delubrum Reginae is the best raid you've designed... BUT...
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08-01-2021, 12:51 AMTeraRamis
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08-01-2021, 01:08 AMCatwho
That's why you keep a Cure IV in your kit.
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08-01-2021, 01:14 AMtechnole
DR Savage is pretty good. Aside from pure essences being required to survive and do enough damage for the DPS checks. There are obviously more bosses and obstacles like limited and low raise chances. Every full alliance wipe requires leaving the instance and starting over from the beginning so that adds a lot of time and resources.
If anything I feel they should have made essences required in normal mode like savage to survive mechanics or at the bare minimum add some semi-lax DPS checks that way it doesn't feel like just a few people end up carrying the weight on damage because that's the reality today. If you used a raid calculator, you know this is true.
But I guess they felt failing mechanics x2 was enough, I remember someone had the nerve to say it was stupid it was x2 and death. Well its designed so you don't brute force mechanics and do things right.
Also you don't need healers in your party to survive in DR normal, just get a few people to carry Cure IV. But alas that requires using actions in NM. You know how that is.... -
08-01-2021, 01:44 AMValkyrie_LennethI did a run with 4 people and no healer, because half the group dropped when we didn't have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
Only 1 person died the whole run (the tank, because he ended up with hate at one point), as well all grabbed healing essences.
Guess no one in your group was willing to be a team player. -
08-01-2021, 01:47 AMVahlnirYep. I've done it with no healers in my group as well but between a few of us with some cure lost actions things melted extra fast and no one died. It is entirely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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08-01-2021, 01:51 AMTheodric
It's my favourite raid in the game at the moment. I love everything about the story, boss fights and aesthetics - though I do agree that there's some unfortunate but avoidable problems. The issue with lost actions not being mandatory is that the time it takes to run the raid is artificially bloated as a consequence of many people not using the most efficient lost actions. As far as the mechanics go, once they 'click' things tend to be pretty smooth. The first time I did the raid I died a lot and only a few mechanics made immediate sense. Yet in other runs, I rarely find myself dying unless the rest of my party is wiping.
Overall, I'm just really disappointed that we're not getting the third planned act for the Save the Queen storyline. I'd really love to see more content designed in Matsuno's style - I adore the Ivalice games and I would not have bothered investing in FFXIV had it not been for the style originally being very similar to the Ivalice games across the board. -
08-01-2021, 02:13 AMAwhaCure lost actions are your friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
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08-01-2021, 03:18 AMiVolke
Yeah, dying is apart of learning. You're going to die while you learn.
Why is that such a wild concept? Have you played any other games before? -
08-01-2021, 03:25 AMtechnoleYeah I remember I had some RDM that got so mad about being the only person dying with no healers. I said you should at-least pop an essence for HP and damage since they had no valor and said something like they were using lost chainspell. Like okay you just want to do damage at minimal HP, and don't even want to carry Cure IV either to help. Some people just are selfish, they eventually left the party in some baby rage for a healer party while we several of us used Cure IV along with damage actions and did just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
A fine example of people out there who have no real understanding of actions, and why bozja is the way it is. You can be any role you want with the right actions. -
08-01-2021, 03:27 AMDeceptusResistance Potions exist and are easily acquired and useful for any role. And raid wide aoe's are so infrequent that you should be good to go if you're doing mechanics properly. If you don't, well, that's on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
Bloodbath exists for the melee.
Lost Cure should always be in your allotment for just this reason. -
08-01-2021, 03:29 AMJettinsonI have tanked as a Samurai with the pure essence, this is the best thing of the raid honestly. You are not hopeless if you don't have healers, it makes some runs slower though but all quite doableQuote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
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08-01-2021, 05:35 AMDaeriion_AeradiirIt's almost like the Lost Action system was designed that regardless of party comp, any role can take up the duties of another role, and was a part of the core design of the instance talked about by Yoshi-P before Delubrum even launched...Quote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
If you're not interested in filling the gaps using the system designed to make roles but a mere suggestion and neither is anyone in your party, that's on your party. I've tanked Delubrums as a MNK & Healed them as a WAR based on my party luck. You can also switch people around in parties in the instance, you're not locked to the initial 8 you get. Could have also just easily asked in shout chat "does any group have a spare healer? we have 8 dps."
It isn't garbage; between reforming parties and giving you tons of OP actions that let any job easily heal a party regardless of their role; that's laziness to not use them. -
08-01-2021, 05:37 AMFoxyAreku
This is kind of a reason why I wish raids in this game had trash mobs, and the ones that do have trash would use them appropriately to teach what is coming, you could do neat things like have the trash use a smaller version of the upcoming boss' mechanics so you know what to look for when you get to the boss, and it would probably help a lot.
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08-01-2021, 09:57 AMSpanishInkwehsitor
Hit 3 times = instant unavoidable death is a mechanism I expect in Extreme, not a normal dungeon.
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08-01-2021, 10:59 AMRinhi
it's not a normal dungeon, though
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08-01-2021, 11:16 AMCaitsithhh
I’d say UCOB/TEA are best follows by a8s when it was first released. DR is kinda meh with meh mechanics. That’s as far as best “Raids” released. Also when they’re first released being key IMO. Min ilvl plus no echo doesn’t capture what they were on release
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08-01-2021, 01:42 PMForctyusGold
its actually pretty good thing. your dead means mostly nothing and you will learn . there are kinda same mechanics from past duties so its not like these werent in game before, they are just little upgraded o/
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08-01-2021, 03:44 PMRein_eon_OsborneI mean, we also get those “Haha why dodge aoe isn’t danger, not gonna kill. Vuln stack is fine. Healer will heals”-players. These are the ones that are unlikely to learn with or without doom mechanic. That evens out everything, don’t you think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor
Fun aside; I kid you not, I get a feeling like devs are adding these mechanics because they do not fancy players ignoring mechanics by straight up eating damage with sheer amount of defenses/shields. -
08-01-2021, 04:00 PMForctyusGoldi have maxed all jobs but it doesnt mean im midcore or hardcore. im proud casual and this content is really casual friendly. its just about learning . thing you will run it i more then 10 times means, you will learn it . if you dont know , just follow others, ask in chat how to dodge this and that etc. its not designed to be done once and do POTD for other pieces. i wish they would nerf Eureka :D but thats another thing. this Bozja is good , balanced idk. i hate fates in Bozja but those 3 big battles are great. and if you managed to beat Shadowbringers, it shouldnt be such problem to clear those. also use essences or other defensive/healing actions if you dont feel youre able to make it. like i said some post above , diyng isnt something you should be ashamed of , it happens o/ i also see many crown people on the floor :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
well obey is something i always dont know where to stay and always writing it chat very negative words about it :D but its really managable for casuals -
08-01-2021, 10:43 PMDeceptusIt's actually get hit twice and die which is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor
To make matters even worse than that? The 2 hit instant deaths completely negate the HP valor bonus you can acquire. What's the point of more HP if it goes from 100 to zero in an instant?
Same to a lesser degree the healing one. Can't heal someone when they go from 100 to zero. -
08-03-2021, 06:49 PMSturmChurroI'd love full DPS parties if more players used the proper essences and lost actions, and used healing actions when necessary, even at a slight loss of personal DPS (for the good of the party and clear).Quote:
Originally Posted by TeraRamis
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08-03-2021, 11:24 PMBopsheezi
I would love to never do DR ever again.
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08-03-2021, 11:28 PMBrandedblade
I for one can't wait to do my next DR run. I've been so brain rotted on the standard content that the mechanics here are just...so refreshing. My favorite is the temperature mechanics in the second to last fight.
Not to mention the Doot Doot Chair is a great final boss with a great theme.