The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

I hope he ends up liking it just so his chat flips out. lol

Heck, as often as we speak about this strange and mystical unified hivemind blob we call communities we can slowly start to build a own church around that topic, huh? It needs really much imagination to believe in such a thing, especially when speaking about a sea of individuals which are playing a MMO and mostly don't give a fork about anything than their personal space.

But streamers have the same problems and fail to understand this, especially when they start to rant about how mean community XYZ is and how community XYZ send them death threads. I can't imagine how much mental gymnastics you have to do to believe there is a hivemind behind a playerbase like this. I have the feeling most people just take the person who screams the loudest as the representative which leads to the false conclusion that everyone quieter than them must be the same. When in fact everyone quieter than the screaming zealots are people who don't give a fork about anything. And that is true for XIV, WOW, any streamers community and every person on this planet who doesn't give a fork about anyone else.

So a heavy-endgame focused streamer that has already said he doesnt like FF14 previously and isnt big on story-telling....is giving FF14 a try?

If he makes it to Heavensward, its a miracle.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

So a heavy-endgame focused streamer that has already said he doesnt like FF14 previously and isnt big on story-telling....is giving FF14 a try?

If he makes it to Heavensward, its a miracle.

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This basically. ARR has shown itself to be the great filter when it comes to new player retention for one reason or another. I've never had problems with it myself but I can see how certain folks definitely can. I don't expect more than a few hours played resulting in either a scathing review or a quiet shelving.

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Originally Posted by tatatatatata

With how atrocious the ARR storyline is and how there's an endless wave of boring cutscene-laden fetch quests, I can't imagine Asmongold would last longer than a day. This is why Square Enix needs to fix the ARR journey. The quest abridgement wasn't enough.

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Having played through ARR just before and just after the patch (on 2 Alts), I definitely feel the whole situation is better but yes: it absolutely needs significantly more work. A lot of stuff (like the chores you do around Titan/wineport/“Tidus”) are fun as side stories, but as required main quests… maybe 1 and done.

There are many instances where we have a linkpearl and should just be using that to report in and get further instructions.
The bloat also makes leveling very out of sync. Nothing wrong with being a little over, but I’m almost 80 on an alt at the very start of shadowbringers…

I was 70ish around idylshire, making access to the new gear there moot (and probably confusing to a new player)

I enjoyed it when it was all there was, but having played through ShB, the quality of ARR just doesn’t represent what the game has to offer.

To be fair new players can now fly in ARR and i bet if a streamer who is mostly about the PvE content starts to play he will buy the story skip and job booster.

I'm looking forward to his reactions of the game. Especially since he's refused to touch the game till now. :)

I've been looking forward to this for a while. His chat might flip out, but hopefully he enjoys his time.

If he ever somehow reads this, from what I've seen he'd probably enjoy skipping straight to Heavensward and doing a little bit of synopsis of ARR before streaming. The darker fantasy setting and dragons seem to be his style.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I've been looking forward to this for a while. His chat might flip out, but hopefully he enjoys his time.

If he ever somehow reads this, from what I've seen he'd probably enjoy skipping straight to Heavensward and doing a little bit of synopsis of ARR before streaming. The darker fantasy setting and dragons seem to be his style.

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I am thinking the same thing, if he really wants to off-stream he should probably go through the New Game+ to see all of ARR but honestly he could read the summaries on the internet of it all.

I will never understand why people watch other people play video games.
I will never understand why people are "fans" of people who play video games.
And of all the streamers out there, I will never understand why people like Asmongold.
Seriously, find something more productive to do.

Obvious troll topic, but it's really sad to see how many people on this community can't enjoy the game without constantly thinking about WoW and wanting to bring WoW people to play this game.

Maybe you guys should go play WoW.

What if I told you I play both and have for years?

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What if I told you I play both and have for years?

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horrified gasp!

You aren't allowed to enjoy more than one thing at a time!

This situation will make the FFXIV communities true colors come out. Please look forward to it :)

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What if I told you I play both and have for years?

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Good for you. You should. They are both great games for very different reasons.

What you should not do is force other people to play the games you like just to validate your own opinion. Which is what I see a lot of people in these forums do taking the "Have you played FFXIV" meme seriously.

That's extraordinarily off-topic.

Unless I'm missing something?

The only one likely to try forcing others to follow their lead would be a streamer like Asmon.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Who?

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Asmon trying out FFXIV is very important to WoW players but not FFXIV players. FFXIV is doing just fine on its own, it doesn't need his promotion.

It's important to WoW players because frankly Asmon wouldn't even vaguely entertain the idea of playing FFXIV if retail WoW was in a good state.

It has been more than half a year since the expansion launch. Not only are players very unhappy with the super restrictive systems that punish players for wanting to play as more than one spec or class, or do more than one type of combat, 9.1 still hasn't been released and there isn't even a date for it yet. To top it off the previous expansion also wasn't well received and some of the systems players hated from it reappeared in the current expansion just under a different name. Player feedback has been repeatedly ignored for years and this is the result. A game that many die-hard WoW fans no longer want to play. Things are looking very very grim for WoW right now. Asmon adores WoW, so much that his entire career is centered around it. But he has been very unhappy with the road Blizzard have chosen to take for the past few years. That Asmon is going to try out WoW's main competitor, even though he dislikes the game's aesthetic and has dismissively called it a "weeb" game many times, speaks volumes as to how woeful the state of retail WoW is.

I don't think Asmon will enjoy FFXIV. ARR is already slow for patient players never mind for a player like him who highly values action. He has repeatedly said he isn't a fan of stories and that's one of the major core features of FFXIV. He is turned off by the miqos and viera (though I think that is him assuming they're just uwu anime girls). The class he is interested in playing can only be accessible after getting to HW. That class is a tank and he typically plays dps. Classes don't get interesting until higher lvls so he is going to find the gcd excruciatingly slow due to not having ogcds to fill in that space. Anyone who is making bets that he will enjoy FFXIV have the odds stacked against them. He is the one player I would advise to use boosts because of what he wants from a game. ARR isn't going to give him that.

Asmon trying out FFXIV should be taken as a statement about WoW. Even if he quits in ten minutes it should be. As I said he would never even think about it if WoW was in a good state. And he is far from the only high profile WoW content creator to try out the game. Some even love it. Blizzard should be very worried.

Disclaimer: I don't enjoy seeing WoW in this awful state. It's even worse than it was when I quit and I thought that was bad. I played that game for over a decade because for much of that time it was a great game. I would love to see WoW be great again but Blizzard clearly got too comfortable on their throne. Hopefully FFXIV's popularity among their own playerbase will give them the kick up the butt they need to develop good content and finally bloody listen to players. And yes I did try out Shadowlands and I left it because I didn't fancy interacting with systems that gave me little other than frustration or boredom.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

How bored do you have to be to log on to a bunch of your other recently-created alt accounts to post in the same thread?

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but these are not MPK's alts, no? these are all titanmen alts
what's funny to me is all the people upvoting them as if they were genuine posters - and probably think they're genuine posters :confused:

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Asmon trying out FFXIV is very important to WoW players but not FFXIV players. FFXIV is doing just fine on its own, it doesn't need his promotion.

It's important to WoW players because frankly Asmon wouldn't even vaguely entertain the idea of playing FFXIV if retail WoW was in a good state.

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Yep, exactly this. I don't like the guy, never really have, but it's not really about him. It's about the message he's sending. Blizzard should be very concerned, though I think it's if/when Taliesen and Evitel turn against them that they should start sounding the alarms. I've never seen such loyal supporters as them. They seem to spin every misstep on behalf of the company and/or dev team into something positive. I'd wager some of that is because Blizzard supports them directly, but they genuinely seem to love the game regardless of what happens. Like I said though, if that were to change...it'd be quite a plot twist. I will definitely be keeping my eye on their videos a bit more closely. The other shoe is going to drop. Asmongold has made that very clear. I just don't know who, what or where that will be. I've got a feeling though that the reckoning I've been hoping for is on the horizon. Things will either get worse before they get better, or they will just get worse. Time will tell. I'm obviously hoping that things get better but I'm not expecting it.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

I will never understand why people watch other people play video games.
I will never understand why people are "fans" of people who play video games.
And of all the streamers out there, I will never understand why people like Asmongold.
Seriously, find something more productive to do.

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This is going to come off way more snarky than I intend, so I apologize in advance if it does.

You not understanding why people enjoy X does not necessarily make X a waste of time.

Or, “your fun is wrong!” is not a recommended avenue of “attack”.

If you genuinely don’t really understand it, I would say in my case there are many games I would like to play for the story, but either I can’t afford it or I don’t have the system. It is also fun to hear the commentary from a bigger fan than me. I only have a passing knowledge of the God of War series for example, but it was fun to watch a player go through the fantastic story and gush/explain things I just wouldn’t have noticed.

Similarly I have no interest in playing the 5 nights at freddy’s series, but it is very interesting to hear how complex the story is and how much analysis people have done trying to figure it out.

Best part is I can enjoy this while playing entirely different games that I can relax and vibe to.

It was the boob slider that snagged him.

Either way, do hope that he gets a pleasant experience even if ffxiv does have it's shortcomings. Especially in the start.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yep, exactly this. I don't like the guy, never really have, but it's not really about him. It's about the message he's sending. Blizzard should be very concerned, though I think it's if/when Taliesen and Evitel turn against them that they should start sounding the alarms. I've never seen such loyal supporters as them. They seem to spin every misstep on behalf of the company and/or dev team into something positive. I'd wager some of that is because Blizzard supports them directly, but they genuinely seem to love the game regardless of what happens.

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I don't find Taliesen and Evitel genuine at all. I'm not saying everything that they say is a lie, but personally I always got the impression that they give WoW far more praise on camera than they would in private. It's their job to like WoW and promote it. Of course they're going to do that. I have tried to watch them many times and each time I didn't feel like they agreed with all the things they said. It was cringey to me.

I am on the fence about Asmon. I think he is very abrasive at times but I respect his honesty. If something is crap he'll say it's crap. If something is great he'll say it's great.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Like I said though, if that were to change...it'd be quite a plot twist. I will definitely be keeping my eye on their videos a bit more closely. The other shoe is going to drop. Asmongold has made that very clear. I just don't know who, what or where that will be. I've got a feeling though that the reckoning I've been hoping for is on the horizon. Things will either get worse before they get better, or they will just get worse. Time will tell. I'm obviously hoping that things get better but I'm not expecting it.

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With the current decision makers I don't have faith that WoW will recover. I'm jaded because I tried to believe them again and again, and I was mostly met with disappointment.

Many factors lead to this situation. I think Ion is a problem. He is excellent at raid design but it's painfully obvious that this is all he cares for. It's the only content that is consistently decent. I don't think he should be removed from WoW, I think he should focus on what he does best and let someone else lead WoW's development. Activision's business practices leave much to be desired. One year they removed 800 Blizzard staff and then boasted about record profits for Blizzard that year. It was disgusting. Their scummy business practices have leaked into classic which has upset a huge amount of players, including Asmon. I honestly think Activision intend to milk WoW dry and don't care much that the playerbase's recent activity is a major red flag. They make most of their money with microtransactions, and they have other games that take full advantage of it.

WoW needs a Yoshida. I don't mean that WoW should turn into FF. Yoshida made the devs play other mmorpgs to learn about why those other games were successful. He also opened clear and regular communications with the playerbase and listened to their feedback. The decision makers among the WoW devs are not doing anything like that at all. They're stuck in this mindset that they assume that whatever half-baked thing they release will be a success...not unlike how the 1.0 team handled FFXIV. The only saving grace WoW has is that at its core it's still a great game, unlike 1.0 FFXIV. WoW doesn't need to be scrapped to be saved, it just needs a change in management. But I'm not expecting this to happen. I hope it will but if the past is any indication...well then I think we'll see WoW truly die within the next two expansions.

I'm interested in how Asmon will handle FFXIV but the person I'm truly watching is Bellular. He's a very respected WoW content creator and he very eloquently challenges Blizzard's decisions...and he is rapidly becoming a big fan of FFXIV. Many people in his team have already played a lot of FFXIV, including his co-host who has done Shadowbringers. Another big name who has high praise for FFXIV is Jesse Cox, who I would argue is an even bigger name in gaming than Asmon and Bellular.

And to quote TotalBiscuit: "the only thing that will kill WoW is itself". We are watching that happen right now. But it's not too late to save it.

Wow half of these replies. Is this the great and welcoming community I keep hearing about?

Asmon is cool to me. A lot of people are jealous they couldn't muster that kind of popularity with a dirty computer room and his personality. The issue with XIV is there isn't a regular streamer at his level.

The best time I had watching him was during the WoW classic closed beta. Seeing him go through the leveling experience, getting guild followers, to the first end-game. Sure there are people ready to throw themselves at him on a whim, but if he makes them happy to play the game, there is nothing wrong with that. Can't wait for people to get mad when he's clearing content much easier than them, simply because the "help" will be available and ready.

He's not gonna stay. He tried tons of other mmos and always goes back to wow the next day, won't be any different here.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

We live a community that actively shuns new players, just for coming from a different game. Shameful display.

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I've seen a bunch of people that come from wow accepted warmly in our NN so no idea what are you talking about.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

So a heavy-endgame focused streamer that has already said he doesnt like FF14 previously and isnt big on story-telling....is giving FF14 a try?

If he makes it to Heavensward, its a miracle.

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From reactions to FFXIV trailers he seems to be a big fan of dragons so he just might.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

I will never understand why people watch other people play video games.
I will never understand why people are "fans" of people who play video games.

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Why do people like to watch other people playing sports?

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Wow half of these replies. Is this the great and welcoming community I keep hearing about?

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No, it's not. That is found in the game itself.

Trying to judge a game or its community by the game's official forums rarely provides an accurate picture.

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Originally Posted by technole

Asmon is cool to me. A lot of people are jealous they couldn't muster that kind of popularity with a dirty computer room and his personality. The issue with XIV is there isn't a regular streamer at his level.

The best time I had watching him was during the WoW classic closed beta. Seeing him go through the leveling experience, getting guild followers, to the first end-game. Sure there are people ready to throw themselves at him on a whim, but if he makes them happy to play the game, there is nothing wrong with that. Can't wait for people to get mad when he's clearing content much easier than them, simply because the "help" will be available and ready.

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The saga of one of the Olympus guilds being held hostage was probably the first time I sat down to actually watch his stream. Absolutely gripping from beginning to end.

This is such great news! Now we can welcome his community with open arms and start purging casuals! If only he decided to join during fanfest. It would have completely overshadowed any news about male Viera.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

but these are not MPK's alts, no? these are all titanmen alts
what's funny to me is all the people upvoting them as if they were genuine posters - and probably think they're genuine posters :confused:

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Its a rule of thumb here. When you disagree with someone, just frame them as an alt of someone else. Just like how you're an MPK alt trying to shift it on our glorious Titenmen.

The end of the cold war... Hopefully people will realize that you CAN play (and like) multiple MMOs

I cant wait too see soo called "Friendly FF14 community" lose their minds when someone says bad thing about their game.

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Originally Posted by Arbales

I cant wait too see soo called "Friendly FF14 community" lose their minds when someone says bad thing about their game.

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They do that already. xD

I wish him the best of luck.

A portion of the FFXIV community can be incredibly unkind to those who dare to offer any sort of feedback in regards to the game itself. The implication that the game isn't perfect and could be improved is enough to set a lot of people in this community off like a firework - even if the feedback is polite and civil. I've seen suggestions for quality of life features, praise of antagonists and critique of story elements devolve into death threats. I'm sure it happens in other fandoms, too, but I've not experienced it elsewhere to such a degree.

I think a lot of FFXIV players hide behind the game's reputation as a kind community but in reality there's a lot more gaslighting and passive aggressive behaviour to be found. In my opinion, that's worse than outright hostility since it isn't as easily dealt with or reported. Especially if it happens on third party platforms such as Twitter, Reddit or Discord.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Wow half of these replies. Is this the great and welcoming community I keep hearing about?

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Unfortunately there are plenty of people here that are too dense to understand that most mmo communities actually overlap. This includes WoW and FFXIV.

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Nothing wrong with the guy, seriously. It's his followers who often are not so good

Best of luck to him, but I'm entirely apathetic about his opinion.

Considering his giant toxic fanbase won't be able to crowd to his server and shower him with stuff like they do there.... we might be ok.

havent seen many of his videos, never played wow, but from what ive seen i can say:

hes not a bad dude, but he's playing a role to please his mindless chat.


what i take from this topic:

trolls not only twist opinions and controversal topics anymore... they straight up lie now... great