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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

If you dont want to farm essences, get a group together of people who don’t want to farm essences and run DR with that group.

Otherwise, whack a few plants for 20 minutes. Or go to the marketboard and buy a stack of forgotten mems.

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Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

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But we're "elitists", our opinions don't matter. Twelve have mercy on those of us who happen to be mentors as well. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

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Making your own group requires a lot of work, so that kind of defeats the purpose of doing the least amount of effort.

Besides, we're allowed to queue without essences, so why wouldn't we? The "elitists" are the ones who can only reach their goals by forming their own groups, so they probably should.

I mean nobody is forcing you to use them. Just because you were asked to use one doesn't mean people are expecting "perfection" lol

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

How do I delete this forum

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If you don't want feedback maybe don't post?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Then please do us a favor and climb down off our backs and use your own feet to walk. I believe you can do it if you try.

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I'll stay right where I am thanks. On my own feet, laughing at you being so upset that I dare not use an essence for every run. My last run I was the only one in my group with any healing. I'm the one that kept that whole party alive. Imagine the speed difference if they were all perma dead, essences or not. I believe you might be able to remove the thing lodged up ur arse if you go into a party finder like many I know do to get themselves those speedy runs.

If you que for any duty in this game that is open to everyone, you will get people of varying skill level and commitment. If you cannot deal I suggest you get some friends and go run it with them. Because you can moan and act as superior as you want. It's not gonna change.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Making your own group requires a lot of work, so that kind of defeats the purpose of doing the least amount of effort.

Besides, we're allowed to queue without essences, so why wouldn't we? The "elitists" are the ones who can only reach their goals by forming their own groups, so they probably should.

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People are free to do what they want if the content allows it, but I do think that they should know that they could be doing more damage to contribute, or at the very least use an essence that increases HP or something. Something is better than nothing, especially when the content is scaled for essence use. That's my entire point at least. I won't harass anyone in game about it. Heck, I probably wouldn't say anything. But it's obvious what an essenceless run looks like compared to a run where everyone is decked out in some sort of essence.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I'll stay right where I am thanks. On my own feet, laughing at you being so upset that I dare not use an essence for every run. My last run I was the only one in my group with any healing. I'm the one that kept that whole party alive. Imagine the speed difference if they were all perma dead, essences or not. I believe you might be able to remove the thing lodged up ur arse if you go into a party finder like many I know do to get themselves those speedy runs.

If you que for any duty in this game that is open to everyone, you will get people of varying skill level and commitment. If you cannot deal I suggest you get some friends and go run it with them. Because you can moan and act as superior as you want. It's not gonna change.

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You do you! Seriously. But you could, and should, be doing a lot more if you had an essence equipped. Again, that's my entire point. I feel that everyone should be contributing in this way. Makes life easier for everyone is all. I just never expect it, much to my own dismay.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

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Because people who are chill and playing at their own pace use the duty que. You will get every person of every capability in there. When I go to do savage I don't do it with randoms I go with FC mates and friends. You put yourself in a situation where you have no control over other people, who you do it with and how THEY play. Then proceed to whine about it instead of using your own agency to make your play time better for yourselves. YOU have the problem and you expect others to comply with you. Get over yourself.

It's too bad clicking the queue or register button isn't too much "work" for players who won't bother, and seemingly have no care for the rest of the players in the instance.

I will literally never understand why some players might justify wasting not only their own time, but everyone elses too. I think it's a very rude mindset, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I'll stay right where I am thanks. On my own feet, laughing at you being so upset that I dare not use an essence for every run. My last run I was the only one in my group with any healing. I'm the one that kept that whole party alive. Imagine the speed difference if they were all perma dead, essences or not. I believe you might be able to remove the thing lodged up ur arse if you go into a party finder like many I know do to get themselves those speedy runs.

If you que for any duty in this game that is open to everyone, you will get people of varying skill level and commitment. If you cannot deal I suggest you get some friends and go run it with them. Because you can moan and act as superior as you want. It's not gonna change.

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This is why I envy the JP datacenters, as they seems to have some sense of what the word "coop" and "others people times". NA...NA is a dumpster fire. I am glad they don't listen to us at times.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

People are free to do what they want if the content allows it, but I do think that they should know that they could be doing more damage to contribute, or at the very least use an essence that increases HP or something. Something is better than nothing, especially when the content is scaled for essence use. That's my entire point at least. I won't harass anyone in game about it. Heck, I probably wouldn't say anything. But it's obvious what an essenceless run looks like compared to a run where everyone is decked out in some sort of essence.

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Nothing wrong with informing, and I am aware that most of the raid using essences vs. not using essences makes a real difference. 1 person doesn't, though, especially if that person is a DPS, because skirmisher isn't the massive DPS increase that the tank and healer essences are.

What you should try to understand, though, is a lot of people are essentially doing Bozja because it's holding their relic hostage. Expecting real commitment is unrealistic; it may just be enough that the relic is keeping this content alive for the people who like it, even if it's doing so by forcing the non-committed to grit their teeth and bear whatever minimum they have to suffer through.

I'd feel very guilty if I signed up to a duty and didn't at least try to be productive and prepared. I play single player games when I'm in the mood to just mess around because I don't want to inconvenience other players/waste their time.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd feel very guilty if I signed up to a duty and didn't at least try to be productive and prepared. I play single player games when I'm in the mood to just mess around because I don't want to inconvenience other players/waste their time.

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Agreed. I may not be the best but I can't imagine going into a duty with other people and just not trying, and if that includes having a few items to push things along then that's fine. I don't get bothered by a run taking longer than average but I'll do my best to ensure it's not because of me.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nothing wrong with informing, and I am aware that most of the raid using essences vs. not using essences makes a real difference. 1 person doesn't, though, especially if that person is a DPS, because skirmisher isn't the massive DPS increase that the tank and healer essences are.

What you should try to understand, though, is a lot of people are essentially doing Bozja because it's holding their relic hostage. Expecting real commitment is unrealistic; it may just be enough that the relic is keeping this content alive for the people who like it, even if it's doing so by forcing the non-committed to grit their teeth and bear whatever minimum they have to suffer through.

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Yes, and when players largely aren't using essences in the majority of DR runs, the potential grind becomes around 15 hours PER RELIC, for this step alone! As opposed to what could be half that amount of time! I keep getting burned out trying to do DR for the rest of my relics, because I can barely get 3 or 4 runs PER NIGHT. It'll take up most of my playtime (the amount I can bear of DR), for that little amount of runs! I just assume other players who are going through the same grind would want to shorten that experience.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and when players largely aren't using essences in the majority of DR runs, the potential grind becomes around 15 hours PER RELIC, for this step alone! As opposed to what could be half that amount of time! I keep getting burned out trying to do DR for the rest of my relics, because I can barely get 3 or 4 runs PER NIGHT. It'll take up most of my playtime (the amount I can bear of DR), for that little amount of runs! I just assume other players who are going through the same grind would want to shorten that experience.

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Here it becomes a macro issue. You seem like the type who would farm essences in order to bring 100% every time, because you're a good little boyscout. So, you farm away, essence up every time and look at where you are; you can still BARELY get a few runs a night because your specific contribution didn't really matter.

Now maybe the fact that you weren't "part of the problem" keeps you warm through that wasted effort, but I don't really care about "the principle of the thing." I'm not wasting more time in Bozja, especially when I know it won't realistically make a difference for me on a micro scale. I'm in this for my relic, and so is most everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Here it becomes a macro issue. You seem like the type who would farm essences in order to bring 100% every time, because you're a good little boyscout. So, you farm away, essence up every time and look at where you are; you can still BARELY get a few runs a night because your specific contribution didn't really matter.

Now maybe the fact that you weren't "part of the problem" keeps you warm through that wasted effort, but I don't really care about "the principle of the thing." I'm not wasting more time in Bozja, especially when I know it won't realistically make a difference for me on a micro scale. I'm in this for my relic, and so is most everyone else.

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Prime example of the parasitism that plagues this game.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's too bad clicking the queue or register button isn't too much "work" for players who won't bother, and seemingly have no care for the rest of the players in the instance.

I will literally never understand why some players might justify wasting not only their own time, but everyone elses too. I think it's a very rude mindset, but that's just my opinion on the matter.

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I will literally never understand someone who complains about others not making enough effort. But simultaneously will not put in the effort themselves to get what they want, ie join pf. Oh the irony! Everyone else put more effort in because I want to be able to hit que and have every person in that instance using all essences at all times or I am not satisfied!! I shouldn't have to join a PF specifically made for speed runs! YOU should do what I want because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. Just... lol

If we are enjoying ourselves it is not a waste of our time. If you find that you are not enjoying yourself, maybe put in the effort to make it enjoyable?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Prime example of the parasitism that plagues this game.

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Why are you on the forums whining when you should be killing trash in Bozja so you can carry me through DR. Get back to work.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

This is why I envy the JP datacenters, as they seems to have some sense of what the word "coop" and "others people times". NA...NA is a dumpster fire. I am glad they don't listen to us at times.

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Yes because all who post here are from NA. Me healing and keeping my party alive to even DPS is "coop" Yknow that in coop there is also the fact that not every plays the same? Yoshi P said himself that players should take their time with this content and not burn themselves out. This is not content for people looking to be 100%ing dps all the time. It's for everyone. And I think JP players would understand that instead of belligerently demanding a total stranger play how they want because it suits them xD

For that matter, a healer in DR should be using profane, and the healing should be coming from the DPS in the form of lost cures. Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I will literally never understand someone who complains about others not making enough effort. But simultaneously will not put in the effort themselves to get what they want, ie join pf. Oh the irony! Everyone else put more effort in because I want to be able to hit que and have every person in that instance using all essences at all times or I am not satisfied!! I shouldn't have to join a PF specifically made for speed runs! YOU should do what I want because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. Just... lol

If we are enjoying ourselves it is not a waste of our time. If you find that you are not enjoying yourself, maybe put in the effort to make it enjoyable?

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Did the 23 other players in the instance agree that no essences were fine? Furthermore, your logic can be turned on you as should pf a no essence run because you want to "chill" and find 23 likeminded players.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Why are you on the forums whining when you should be killing trash in Bozja so you can carry me through DR. Get back to work.

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I am done with DR for the time being, so you'll have to leech off someone else.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Did the 23 other players in the instance agree that no essences were fine? Furthermore, your logic can be turned on you as should pf a no essence run because you want to "chill" and find 23 likeminded players.

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The question is, do you need an essence to even get into the instance? No. Therefore, it is fine. A players own opinion changes nothing on that fact. And no, the logic is not turned on me at all. We chill ones have no problems at all. You have the problem. You deal with it. But you don't want to do you? Nah, too much effort. Better to have others change for you, so you don't have to sort a problem you have out yourself.

To this day I actually have yet to see the kind of players people like MPK complain about, but this thread sure is doing the job of making them and their buddies seem absolutely right. Refusing to do what is the agreed bare minimum and then telling others to do the work if they don't want to play with you is the weirdest headspace I've encountered, people have every right to call you out for not -trying- and context matters. "I don't care for this content so I'm going to do everything I can to mentally check out and make others who had the misfortune to group with me hate it as much as I do". The complete lack of self-awareness by a couple folks in this thread is absolutely mindboggling.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

The question is, do you need an essence to even get into the instance? No. Therefore, it is fine. A players own opinion changes nothing on that fact. And no, the logic is not turned on me at all. We chill ones have no problems at all. You have the problem. You deal with it. But you don't want to do you? Nah, too much effort. Better to have others change for you, so you don't have to sort a problem you have out yourself.

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I mean on the path to the first boss they literally place a lost cache so you can grab essences and actions.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I am done with DR for the time being, so you'll have to leech off someone else.

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Your time spent killing garbage in service to me will always be remembered. You were an adequate lackey; all the best.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

To this day I actually have yet to see the kind of players people like MPK complain about, but this thread sure is doing the job of making them and their buddies seem absolutely right. Refusing to do what is the agreed bare minimum and then telling others to do the work if they don't want to play with you is the weirdest headspace I've encountered, people have every right to call you out for not -trying- and context matters. "I don't care for this content so I'm going to do everything I can to mentally check out and make others who had the misfortune to group with me hate it as much as I do". The complete lack of self-awareness by a couple folks in this thread is absolutely mindboggling.

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Yeah, no hun, it's not agreed upon at all. Just because you and your peers have a set standard. Does not mean it holds true for everyone else on the planet. Take yourself out of your insulated bubble and realise that nobody is gonna change because you whine. You're an adult and you have an issue with the players you are meeting in duty que. Take action and get yourself into a group that suits your needs instead of crying how unfair it is people won't grind or spend gil to hit YOUR standard.
The lack of self awareness is people crying about essences and "lack of effort" that cannot be arsed to take a very VERY easy solution. It was 1am and DR speed runs were still up in PF. When I get to doing more relics I will be doing those myself when I do want to be more time efficient.
The difference is when I que with randoms from duty I don't expect everyone to know all mechanics, have essences etc and I don't get all precious about it unlike yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Yeah, no hun, it's not agreed upon at all. Just because you and your peers have a set standard. Does not mean it holds true for everyone else on the planet. Take yourself out of your insulated bubble and realise that nobody is gonna change because you whine. You're an adult and you have an issue with the players you are meeting in duty que. Take action and get yourself into a group that suits your needs instead of crying how unfair it is people won't grind or spend gil to hit YOUR standard.
The lack of self awareness is people crying about essences and "lack of effort" that cannot be arsed to take a very VERY easy solution. It was 1am and DR speed runs were still up in PF. When I get to doing more relics I will be doing those myself when I do want to be more time efficient.
The difference is when I que with randoms from duty I don't expect everyone to know all mechanics, have essences etc and I don't get all precious about it unlike yourselves.

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Bless your heart. We're doing condescending pseudo-friendly terms right? Cool.
Don't address me like you know anything about how I play content since I'd argue I'm more casual and "chill" than you when it comes to things. When there's 23 other people saying hey you're doing this thing at best inefficiently or at worst flat-out wrong, you're welcome to plug your ears and go nah-nah-nah but it doesn't change the fact that you are actually trying to drag others down to your level of play rather than raise yours.

If building a PF of like-minded folks who can't be asked to drop a couple thousand gil on token essences is too much work for you, then you have no right to try and throw it back at actually prepared players like it's some kind of gotcha. The levels of No U are astounding. And if people calling you out is causing this much of a reaction then at some level it does bother you or you'd just hide your chat log and go on your merry way. And yeah people don't get to filter you out if they pick DF but they have every right to say "hey you can help improve future runs by doing this and that" and in other content the right to kick you.

After skipping to the end of the thread I think I can agree wholeheatedly with that one person who has a signature saying "Expecting basic competence is toxic now?". Paraphrasing of course.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Bless your heart. We're doing condescending pseudo-friendly terms right? Cool.
Don't address me like you know anything about how I play content since I'd argue I'm more casual and "chill" than you when it comes to things. When there's 23 other people saying hey you're doing this thing at best inefficiently or at worst flat-out wrong, you're welcome to plug your ears and go nah-nah-nah but it doesn't change the fact that you are actually trying to drag others down to your level of play rather than raise yours.

If building a PF of like-minded folks who can't be asked to drop a couple thousand gil on token essences is too much work for you, then you have no right to try and throw it back at actually prepared players like it's some kind of gotcha. The levels of No U are astounding. And if people calling you out is causing this much of a reaction then at some level it does bother you or you'd just hide your chat log and go on your merry way. And yeah people don't get to filter you out if they pick DF but they have every right to say "hey you can help improve future runs by doing this and that" and in other content the right to kick you.

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Except. Not in a single run have I had 23 people or even 3 people say anything remotely close to what you are suggesting :)
I'm not actively trying to drag anyone down. Yknow what I'm doing? Enjoying myself, having a nice time with friends. What are you doing? Getting up tight about other people's play and whining when it will change nothing. You may as well bash your head against a wall at least u might make a dent. The game does not make it mandatory to use these, you can clear DR and Dalriada without using them. I'm not telling people in these instances using pots to match my casual playstyle but if YOU have a problem. It is not mine to deal with. There are easy steps you can take to get speed runs without first timers etc.
But you don't want to you rather pointlessly whine and put down others.

I have no need of a PF, I am content playing with anyone that appears in that duty, you are not. That is the point you seem unable to get. If I turn around and say I have this issue and I expect you to solve it FOR me. I expect you to tell me where to go. Not for u to bend over and take it cuz "oh I am here to do as you please" No. If you want something, make it happen. But no, you rather cry and cry. And tell others what they are doing is bringing you down. So easily brought down and tilted. Not sure this game is for you.

And no you have no right to kick someone from the duty if you say, "Hey, use this essence!" You can kick someone for afk or griefing. Not because they don't suit you. If I had someone speak to me like that and then found myself kicked I would be reporting that person for abuse of the kick feature. That's not what it is there for. If I were using a skill once every 10 seconds by all means boot me. If I am doing my usual dps rotation and not using a essence? lol no

I would suggest, if you don't like being addressed in a certain way... maybe dont make sweeping statements that are so inaccurate about other people hm? Honey buns?

I’m trying to figure out how someone can’t have any essences, I’ve done well over 100 runs of DR, and have yet to run out of essences to use (haven’t farmed them). You literally get them by doing the content. (SF, DR, Zad)

When you’ve done enough runs under 30 min, you’ll understand why people push the essences, it’s minimal effort to maximize time. If you’re not using them, you’re griefing everyone else as far as I’m concerned.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Except. Not in a single run have I had 23 people or even 3 people say anything remotely close to what you are suggesting

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Then what exactly is your dog in this fight?

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I'm not actively trying to drag anyone down. Yknow what I'm doing? Enjoying myself, having a nice time with friends. What are you doing?

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I didn't say actively but maybe that was a Freudian slip. I enjoy myself quite fine thanks, I've done slow content and fast content and don't really care which I get either. You really should stop assuming my stance is coming from the same one as the others you were previously arguing with.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

The game does not make it mandatory to use these, you can clear DR and Dalriada without using them.

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The game doesn't make a lot of things mandatory, but if it literally gives you the tools to use (as Caurcas stated) why would you then decide to not use them? This can apply to lots of content in the game but Bozja differs a bit in the application of these trains of thought. I won't compare it to a healer not dps'ing but it feels similar.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I have no need of a PF, I am content playing with anyone that appears in that duty, you are not...But no, you rather cry and cry...So easily brought down and tilted. Not sure this game is for you.

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Again, so am I. I've seen ice mages and non-DPSing healers, no-cooldown tanks (rarely to be fair) and I just shrug and carry on cause it's a game. I get that view and hey surprise I agree with you on it. But to purposely just decide nah I don't want to use this tool cause I don't feel like it is bizarre to me.

Not tilted at all but if that makes you feel like you're winning or something that's cool. I mean... I've been playing this game since 1.0, I think I've decided it's is for me and no crybaby throwing a tantrum is going to tell me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

And no you have no right to kick someone from the duty if you say, "Hey, use this essence!" You can kick someone for afk or griefing. Not because they don't suit you.

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That would fall under Differences in Playstyle I believe and if the majority of the party expressed the desire for you to use essences and you didn't comply and/or started throwing attitude, they would be in their rights to boot you, but that's moot since you can't kick from Bozjan duties if I remember right. Lucky for some folks

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I would suggest, if you don't like being addressed in a certain way... maybe dont make sweeping statements that are so inaccurate about other people hm? Honey buns?

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Hey I didn't address you directly in some condescending tone, that was all you. And again if this doesn't apply to you, I don't know why you're in here arguing with folks about it.

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I’m trying to figure out how someone can’t have any essences, I’ve done well over 100 runs of DR, and have yet to run out of essences to use (haven’t farmed them). You literally get them by doing the content. (SF, DR, Zad)

When you’ve done enough runs under 30 min, you’ll understand why people push the essences, it’s minimal effort to maximize time. If you’re not using them, you’re griefing everyone else as far as I’m concerned.

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It sounds like people are going out of their way to not get them because they don't enjoy the content itself and are just trying to coast through.

Most people are reluctant to speak up about obvious problems in group content because it's all too easy for the terms of service to be weaponised against such individuals, even if advice is worded politely. It's also, incidentally, why the game itself can feel very sterile and lonely compared to the bustling chatter that can be found in other MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nothing wrong with informing, and I am aware that most of the raid using essences vs. not using essences makes a real difference. 1 person doesn't, though, especially if that person is a DPS, because skirmisher isn't the massive DPS increase that the tank and healer essences are.

What you should try to understand, though, is a lot of people are essentially doing Bozja because it's holding their relic hostage. Expecting real commitment is unrealistic; it may just be enough that the relic is keeping this content alive for the people who like it, even if it's doing so by forcing the non-committed to grit their teeth and bear whatever minimum they have to suffer through.

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I never expect it. Doesn't stop me from feeling a certain way though.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right? Why are players who want to play optimally (rather adequately) called "elitist" frequently, and told to form their own groups? How about people who are choosing to put in the least amount of effort, join their own groups instead?!

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Right?!?

I try my hardest. Im not elite by any stretch of the imagination - I havent even touched savage or ultimate content, have never done an expert run of a dungeon.

I’m like probably 80% of FFXIV players - I play the game to the best of my ability, try not to drag others down with me, and use my toolkit to the fullest extent possible. It just so happens that in Bozja content (including DR, surprise surprise) part of your toolkit includes essences. Much like 80% of XIV, I just want to do the content on a reasonable schedule - a run that, should everyone be using their toolkit to the best of their abilities, wouldnt take more than 30 minutes.

If *you* (not you, Sturm) don’t want to use *your* toolkit, then join or find a group of likeminded individuals to play the game the way YOU want to play it. I’m not saying to stop playing, I’m not saying to get gud, I’m saying that that play style is not the majority, so find your niche group and run the content for as long as you want. If it takes an hour, thats fine, because you now have a group of likeminded individuals to play it with. Or alternatively... marketboard, if you don’t want to farm.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

But we're "elitists", our opinions don't matter. Twelve have mercy on those of us who happen to be mentors as well. :(

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The *shame* of it all! Shame on us :rolleyes:

You can buy a fragment that gives essence using clusters. There is one specifically for DR called Pure Essence. Get the right one. You should have at least a small amount of clusters from ranking up. You can't use this type of essence if you are only rank 10 though.

Farming them isn't hard. You can do a castrum run for deep essences, kill a few mobs near the aethernets for normal essences or buy them from the market board.

The content says before you do it to review your Lost Action setup, because the content is tuned with the assumption that Lost Actions are being used, including essences. Ignoring this makes the run slower and less fun. My first run felt like it took over an hour and I didn't do it again for months I was so put off.

It's seriously not hard or extreme to expect some kind of essence in DR.. I brought 2 of my FC members into Bozja way back.. during the time they were doing the opening quests in the zone me an another member were killing the fish and plants outside of the camp.. they had 50+ fragments before they were even asked to get their first one.. and one of them is a cutscene skipper (the horror I know.)

Seeing that one person say the 20% isn't good enough to matter on DPS is a bold face lie.. the 80% and 60% that tanks an healers get is there to make us meet up with your damage to be able to solo.. let me say it again.. WE MEET YOUR DAMAGE with these buffs.. if you'd use a 20% or whatever you'd be even stronger thrn the healer/tanks.. but it's a nice and lazy excuse for those who want to be lazy and sandbag their team in DR runs.. heck just use the tanking one from the starting zone mobs.. your healers will tank you when it dosnt cost 3 oGCDs to fully heal the group every AoE..

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

The question is, do you need an essence to even get into the instance? No. Therefore, it is fine. A players own opinion changes nothing on that fact. And no, the logic is not turned on me at all. We chill ones have no problems at all. You have the problem. You deal with it. But you don't want to do you? Nah, too much effort. Better to have others change for you, so you don't have to sort a problem you have out yourself.

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Do you need a job stone to queue into lv80 stuff? No.
Should you do it? Also no because it's griefing.
No essence is the same. Because you have much, much less potency than you could have.

Spending a bit of time farming or money on the MB doesn't prevent you from """chilling""", you'll just be able to chill across two instances instead of one for the time it would've taken to run one essence-less.

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I’m trying to figure out how someone can’t have any essences, I’ve done well over 100 runs of DR, and have yet to run out of essences to use (haven’t farmed them). You literally get them by doing the content. (SF, DR, Zad)

When you’ve done enough runs under 30 min, you’ll understand why people push the essences, it’s minimal effort to maximize time. If you’re not using them, you’re griefing everyone else as far as I’m concerned.

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Is it bad I have no bloody idea what ya'll are talking about with essences?

Pray tell me none of the stuff you just listed off is relevant to the msq because I want nothing to do with the endgame grind. Not til EW launches will I deal with a second endgame grind(still raiding elsewhere).

I'm not sure this post is anything other then you being mad because you can't just play the way you want to. People want you to use essences so that you have the whole group benefit from.yoy having more dps (or in some cases something else like MP). You respect everyone else when you play with other people.