Keeping a Jute cycle going is one of the reasons that I keep my house instead of letting it demo and living out of my apartments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
But those of us who actively crossbreed are the rarity among house owners. Many don't have a garden patch at all and it's empty as often as it's planted. When it is planted, it's more likely to have shards/Krakka Roots than a crossbreed set up.
Considering how few house owners are engaging in the activity, I don't see it as a reason to "look down" on apartments. Instead, it's just an extra perk for house ownership (with the corresponding risk of demolition).
Where in the game's advertising is it described as a luxury item? Please provide a link for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
On a side note, Mr. Happy just did an email interview with YoshiP. One of his questions was related to housing, specifically as to whether the apartment updates briefly mentioned in the past as design considerations were still in the works. YoshiP's response was they decided they would rather use their resources to provide more houses for players than to redesign the apartment system.
I know some players are attached to the idea that houses are supposed to be some sort of exclusive player club but SE's responses since the decision was made to open houses to individuals and not just FCs have not supported that. The current situation is mostly because the size of the player base, and thus demand for houses, exploded in a way SE never anticipated. Their nice little niche MMORPG gained a more mainstream popularity that they had quietly hoped for but never actually expected to get.
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05-08-2021, 07:20 AMJojoya
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05-08-2021, 02:01 PMAlmagnus1I think we're looking at a chicken and the egg problem.... a lot of potential gardeners don't want to deal with a house so get turned off to it, and probably quite a few of the housing peeps don't want to garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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05-08-2021, 05:28 PMJojoyaLikely. Hopefully Island Sanctuary will address it, though my gut feeling is the farming there will not be the same items currently covered by gardening. Hopefully we'll learn more next weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
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05-09-2021, 01:42 AMSeleniAnd some house owners, who wanted to do gardening before getting the house, might have found actual gardening too much of a chore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
You have to tend to the crops once or twice daily. The process itself involves clicking and selecting from menu, so after a couple times it start to feel tedious. (And I say that as ex-FarmVille player) Most crops take 5-7 days to mature, so after planting it’s 5-7 days of you performing this mundane tasks daily before you finally get to harvesting.
For those who cannot login daily, either by oneself or among a couple responsible friends, it’s an impossible task.
And if you don’t have botanist, then your only source of many of the seeds, to start cross-breeding, is the marketboard. As botanist I tend to send my botanist retainer to grab seeds instead of getting them myself, because the process of getting 4 hidden seeds felt not worth my time.
Last night, with a low grade fever and tired, I had to drag myself to start up my gaming pc and login just to make sure my curiel & royal kukuru plants won’t wilt. The seeds took too long to get and are too expensive (to me) to buy for them to go to waste. And I was wondering to myself if it’s really worth the effort.
It’s gotten to the point where I’d found gardening more like work than game, after just a couple months. Many of those who’s owned house for years probably just decided it’s not worth their time to do. -
05-09-2021, 02:33 AMSotaris
May I suggest making some friends on your server or DC and they can tend the plants for you. That's what I do when I can't login every day ^^
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05-09-2021, 05:20 AMSeleni
I wouldn’t want to ask friends to do what myself find tedious.
It’s better to let crops rot if it comes down to it. -
05-09-2021, 05:26 AMSotaris
If you were growing Thav onions I don't think you'd say that but each their own.
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05-09-2021, 06:13 AMCaitsithhhLuxury in price on release, luxury because of scarcity, luxury because it was never instanced and the list goes on. What about 50 mil doesn’t scream luxury to you?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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05-09-2021, 06:15 AMCaitsithhh
And yea firmament is coming with housing so you more luxury. The only thing not luxury that’s potentially coming is not islands that are instanced
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05-09-2021, 07:53 AMSeleni
Point being that some of the benefits that the house-hunters cited, for wanting a house over apartment, could end up being not as what they imagined. (Myself included to some extent)
Gardening probably is easier and make more sense for a good-sized active FC. Neighborhoods are more likely to thrive if it contains a lot of active FCs due to simply higher number of people going in and out.
As a system designed for FCs, it all makes sense. But for individual house owners, once the excitement and the freshness wear off, what used to be super-important suddenly don’t seem so desirable anymore. That’s probably why gardening patches aren’t that common. (That or people hide it behind trees/partitions because what’s being planted doesn’t go with the rest of the yard, and, that scarecrow….)
But until you actually experienced it, you don’t know if it will turn out to be a dud for you. And once you’d spend the time and all that effort (and the click-placard savage), it’d feel like a waste to let it go, even if you don’t care about the millions of gils you’d spent. Not to mention all of the furnitures and time you’d spent putting all that in place. If you let go of the house then you’d need to find some place to store all that as some might have costed too much or are event items.
Ideally I’d like SE to create instance house that include house exterior and yard. (e.g. floating islands so they don’t have to worry about showing neighbors.)
But if they are citing “memory” issue for not implementing different sizes for apartments, a desirable instance housing system, that can be expected to be used by more players than the current apartment dwellers, is probably not likely. (Imagine having to wait in a queue to enter your instanced house because too many players are in theirs)
And any instance housing without exterior would probably get the same reception as current apartments.
I’d think one thing that might be possible for them to improve apartments might be to allow sharing. Even if not for friends, at least for the eternal bond partners. But who knows. Maybe that’s actually harder to do than increasing size of the apartments. -
05-10-2021, 07:10 AMgeminipestdeathHousing forum in a nutshell, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by bassomitron
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05-10-2021, 10:22 AMAlmagnus1And that's why getting this forum to agree to any same form of change is met with victims of Stockholm's syndrome....Quote:
Originally Posted by geminipestdeath
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05-10-2021, 04:28 PMSotaris
Don't insult my capital, thanks D:
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05-11-2021, 03:12 AMAlmagnus1Too late? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
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05-11-2021, 03:47 AMArielen
MMORPG: With Ishgardian housing coming as well as the Island Sanctuary, players are wondering — what will the overlap be, if any, between Housing/Estate activities and Island Sanctuary ones?
Yoshida: I won’t say there is no overlap in the gameplay, but they are fundamentally two separate pieces of content. If anything, we plan to incorporate many things that you can’t do within the housing/estate system into the Island Sanctuary. We’ll have more details down the road, so please stay tuned for further updates on this.
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05-11-2021, 03:49 AMCaitsithhhMaybe the whining will stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Arielen
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05-11-2021, 03:55 AMArielenMissed opportunities chatter, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
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05-11-2021, 04:45 AMSotarisWishful thinking lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
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05-11-2021, 04:46 AMSotarisyeah well... you guys talk weird!Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
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05-11-2021, 09:22 AMAlmagnus1Well yeah... when your native language is English, you're not going to speak Bokmal correctly =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
I mean, the closest thing to a Swede I've regularly seen is https://youtu.be/B7UmUX68KtE -
05-11-2021, 04:35 PMSotaris
Yes very accurate :D
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05-11-2021, 08:10 PM_Koneko_
until they deal with the housing mafia i don't see this issue ever being resolved i want to move my fc to shirogane but i can't because a single person / fake fc owns nearly every plot of equal size in almost every ward on my server sighs
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05-11-2021, 08:23 PMHollyJollyPacaWhat even?! Disgusting....Quote:
Originally Posted by _Koneko_
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05-11-2021, 09:04 PM_Koneko_ye they aren't shy about it too all the same tag and they property has the name *** HoldingsQuote:
Originally Posted by HollyJollyPaca
personally I think the whole housing problem could have been avoided if they had put firmer restrictions in the first place anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together saw it coming there things you can put your faith in taxes, death and humanity's endless greed expecting people to embrace the greater virtue of sharing is like thinking if you buy enough lottery tickets you'll one day win ;) as as someone who has played the jumbo pot to this day and never gotten first place .... ye -
05-12-2021, 12:47 PMArielen
<LUCIS> shot my dog and also ate it
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05-12-2021, 05:33 PMgeminipestdeathFFXIV Housing forum: No-one forces you to click a placard - it's entirely on youQuote:
Originally Posted by Caitsithhh
Also FFXIV Housing forum: I routinely subject myself to people whining here
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05-13-2021, 05:14 AMDivinemightsI got my house and FC house but never click a placard, that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by geminipestdeath
I got both of them during ward release and one of them happen to be in Shirogane too.
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05-13-2021, 04:04 PMNanaWilohPhew...man I can feel the truth eminating from this post. I need to get some ice water before I pass out from it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by geminipestdeath
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05-14-2021, 07:31 AMSotarisHow do I join this mafia? Cause the name itself is kinda badass.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Koneko_
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05-14-2021, 09:31 AMAlmagnus1Easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
Just own like half a ward, flaunt that you do, and find threads where people get screwed over by RNG (or the housing timer) and remind people that you own half a ward and that they should feel bad for not being as cool as you do for owning half a ward, and taunt them that they should try harder... and suggest that they can buy a property off of you for half a billion gil. -
05-14-2021, 04:25 PMSotaris
Oh like that Mew guy some while ago? lol
Nah cba own more than a personal and fc house. I will be mini mafia with owning 2 larges then. -
05-15-2021, 05:08 AMBesameYou can join by going to a aetheryte and find the "Karens" placards in the housing neighborhoods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotaris
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05-15-2021, 11:36 AMCatstab
"A lottery system is very difficult to do over severs, but will be considered."
-from fanfest Q&A.
More of this coming soon to ward lists:
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Seriously, though. A lottery just means the person with 8-64 alt characters who all lead FCs gets 8-64 times the entries that a player seeking a personal house does. -
05-15-2021, 04:33 PMJojoyaThe mention that it was something they will consider was rather disheartening. It means they have no intention of addressing the supply issue in a meaningful way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catstab
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05-15-2021, 11:04 PMItMeYeah... : (Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
I'm hoping they simply meant that they have no intention of considering a lotto in a meaningful way. I don't want a lotto so I'm fine with that lol.
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05-16-2021, 05:32 PMsharlim
New idea for "Housing Credit System" (see post below)
(original post moved here per Milkie recommendation)
Welcoming feedback; the good, the bad the ugly.
(original post for reference)
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05-16-2021, 05:57 PMsharlim
Proposal for housing credit system with the following features:
- equal opportunity housing availability based on the amount of effort players are putting into the game
- scale outpaces housing demand and ensures ample supply
Approach:
Players accumulate land use credits by a combination of crafting, combat and time, with the goal of ensuring players stay active to be rewarded. To discourage grinding or botting, this is capped daily, similar to the offline xp buff to balance casual and hardcore gamers.
Land use credits redeem for a small, medium or large land token. Instead of purchasing a lot and construction permit directly with gil, users purchase using tokens. Since increased player activity directly correlates to increased active number of subscribers (ref), the time to acquire a token has a net positive effect on subscriber income. This provides a control variable (average time to produce token) to correlate with the necessary hardware investment for increased housing.
FAQ:
Q: How is this any different than grinding for gil and how will this increase my chance of getting a home?
A: Take for example a group of 10 players who all start playing the game at the same time. In the current system, in a fresh server, the first of these players to reach the minimum gil requirements for land are likely (by some percentage) to purchase and build homes. Lets say the server can currently accommodate 1 home per 1 active players (my current math indicates this is true per yoshi-p on max 5k FF concurrent user per server divided by homes per area * areas ~50*30*5~6k). In the current system, each of these players are eligible. This idea of land for every one active player causes shortages when exceptions occur and inactive players are granted land for extended periods. By creating a higher barrier for entry which is not purely monetary and instead is merit based; obtaining a house becomes a rare, challenging and rewarding accomplishment.
Q: There are alot of assertions and guesswork in the math and statistics. How can we have confidence this would actually work?
A: Even if I had access to the raw data to do the math, there would be alot of guesswork because the system is built on human behavior and we have yet to create a universal economics model to account for all human behaviors (or if you have, you are working on wall street/HK and keeping it to yourself). One of the ways we can test if players will like new ideas is A/B testing. For example, launch a new server with some incentive such as gained XP but at the caveat that housing uses an experimental system. If the experiment is successful on this server, you have gained hard data on the value proposition.
Q: What about FC homes?
A: One simple solution using this approach is to require N members to provide tokens for the FC home purchase. All members providing tokens could use a system similar to the one for forming the FC which required multiple signatures to create it. -
05-16-2021, 10:51 PMThemarvin
This thread is out of hand, because it has little or next to nothign to with fix housing problems, it should go under something else, as in not enough plots available
ACTUAL HOUSING PROBLEMS IS:
1. Not able to place things in whatever area of the 3D space of the house where you want to, but having to use legal glitches
2. Item Limit, it needs to be a non-linear increase between cottage - house - mansion due to size and space to place items on
3. increase the visibility limit, we are years away from the limitations of the PS3, we should be able to to see more than 40 active objects in a house
4. Being able to select interrior, as well as modifying internal walls, without having to go with.. if you are in the Mist... you will have mist interrior no matter house type you picked etc.
5. more solutions for eg. combining a set of things of let us say 5 items, and having the ability to convert them into one, or more options for partitions as in standard lenght.... and then 3 more options of shear size.
This is just but a few problems that is real house problems that current house owners also and has been suffering under for years and years. -
05-16-2021, 11:44 PMItMeActually... if you refer back to the original post you can see this is mainly a thread about the fixing the process of GETTING a house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
General issues with housing, as well as problems with the limitations of housing are also welcome topics, but this thread was made to consolidate the conversations about how getting a house is such a frustrating experience, and what could be done differently.
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05-17-2021, 05:50 AMViviumm
Honestly with housing they should really keep adding plots.... and I mean weekly or monthly for example in the goblet there's only 25 wards there could be way more... but they should keep housing how it is its what makes it so unique and what makes a lot of people want houses tbh. Also remove relocation because it feels like its really unfair