Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

Definitely feels like Horthgar got the short end of the stick here. If nothing else is done they need to fix the way hair is done on them. Making a player pay $10 to be able to change their hair ( and forcing them to use a different face for the hair they want) is crazy.

I would love to see all the issues with these 2 races get fixed, but sadly as someone who has played since 2.2 and seen many projects get abandoned with no updates I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully they at least address the issues during the fan fest in May.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I hope it does, heck I'd even bump this thread myself if I knew it'd solve anything; which I may just be inclined to do.. Since these threads usually show more of an outcry, and have good topics going on in them



Honestly, people do.. But they also do have a limit before how tiring it gets seeing a different thread on the same topic.. Not to mention I think it just does more detriment than it does good.. Compare some of the discussion this thread to the other one, for example. It's a whole lot more practical and reasonable in here, so it'd be more reasonable to use this thread to be a means for giving feedback when it's not suffocated by derailing

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I get that it’s tiring, but it’s also really tiring for viera and hrothgar to continue to have this issue. The reason it repeatedly comes up is because they repeatedly keep putting things in the game that we cannot use as rewards while offering us nothing to compensate, when we were already shorted right out of the gate.

Yoship being tight lipped about it doesn’t really help at all. I’d be willing to bet you’d see a lot less vitriol if he would have just given us small updates on what they are working on to try to fix the situation. And it *is* a situation that needs fixing, this much he has acknowledged. Just a quick update in the misc portion of LL would have been enough. Something to show us it’s not just permanently on the back burner while they push full steam ahead towards more cool stuff for everyone but us.

Im of the Opinion that the Hrothgar Hair Issue is the result of Crunch. YoshiP said they just barley got both new races together in time, so I see the Hair Issue as a Shortcut.
Something they would (hopefully) fix and deal with later. Because nobody can disagree or deny, it is a pretty bad system, something I bet they were aware of; or definitely QUICKLY made aware of that would need to be figured out.
Im not somebody that changes things often, I usual find what I like and Commit to it, but even I dont like the idea of paying a Fantasia to get a Haircut in game.

I'm pretty much done with playing viera and plan to switch back to miqo'te, most likely after the fan fest announcements confirm they're not doing anything at all for new hairstyles after an entire expansion cycle.

I do still have some thoughts on how they can address this, but I've pretty much given up hope they ever will.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

1. Hrothgars are the only race in the game that have to pay *actual* money to change their hairstyles because, for some genius reason, their hairstyles are tied to their faces. Hrothgar, on release date, started out with 8 racial unique hairstyles, but as I've stated before, their hairstyles are tied to their faces (theres not even a lore reason on why this is and some of the hrothgar NPCs have hairstyles that belong to different faces!). So, 8 hairstyles, 4 faces, meaning we really only get the choice between TWO hairstyles. Which, quoting a statement during the live letter before ShB release

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I have long been of the opinion that they should open up the aesthetician to every option within a race/sex, and leave fantasia only for people who want to change races. I know they were trying to go for some level of realism with only being able to change things that you would be able to change "in real life" like hairstyles or makeup, but functionally it's very silly to let people change their hair all they want but force people who want to just change their eye colors to buy a fantasia. Lots of people would love it, it would completely solve this problem with hrothgar, and people would still buy fantasia all the time to change race and/or sex.

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2. Viera, during an interview with yoshi, were stated to have unique racial hairstyles for them that will be added after ShB release. Now, after ShB release could be anywhere between just minutes after ShB opened up to literal years. However, they are kept in the dark about what this means and with ShB reaching the end of its life cycle to usher in Endwalkers in the Fall, no further comment has been made about Viera hairstyles either. I have both a viera and hrothgar character that both remain up to date on content and I'd love to actually get some REAL customization support for them

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They shouldn't have even made them unique in the first place. There is nothing special about the viera head shape at all compared to any previous races. The gap between the ear base and the head is a bad design decision to start with, and can easily just be filled in with more tufts in case it ever clips out. They add so many hairstyles from quests, side content, and the stupid caash shop, they could never possibly keep up with unique hairstyles for viera, so why did they do this in the first place?

Unfortunately the issue with hairstyles and hrothgar is more complicated. The way they're modeled and the way they use "hair" makes it difficult to keep up with the previous race's hairstyles, and it's a legitimate decision to make them look more unique rather than a mistake like with viera. The only thing I can think of is they just need to actually deliver on the promise to add more customization options (and fix the fantasia problem). Take one goddamned artist off making cash shop garbage or hire one new one to do this and it should be fine.

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3. I can understand the team not wanting to go back and fit the older *FREE* headgear to the hrothgar and viera simply because of development costs and time taken, but this should NOT be the case for the mogstation items. I wouldn't cause this much of a stink about it if they allowed me to purchase specific pieces from the mogstation because I really only buy a lot of the outfits for their shoes, but they force me to buy the ENTIRE outfit...hat included! Thats $12 ~ $18 I spent on this whole outfit and I cant even wear the hats that comes with with ghdsbalfghidkjsakfbhdskjafdsa. Honestly, mog station headgear SHOULD be a priority since...y'know...we're spending actual money on it!

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Although hats not working doesn't bother me much, this whole part of the problem has been completely stupid from the start. They don't care at all about things clipping through everything in the rest of the game all over the place - hair through body pieces, weapons through hair and headgear, nearly everything through every mount - so why does it suddenly matter for these two races? More importantly, headgear has been able to be toggled off from the start of 2.0, so there is absolutely nothing to lose by just letting everything be visible. If an individual player doesn't like the way their bunny ears clip through their hat, then they can turn it off and absolutely nothing would be lost from the situation we have now.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

"Hrothgar will have a robust customization" (its obviously summarized). W0w...Much robust creation :P

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I mean, it's true in a monkey's paw sense. No other race as the option to change body texture patterns and colors nor does any other race have the overtly different face features attached to each face that Hrothgar do. Hell, no other race has the degree of differences in faces that Hrothgar does given that the 4 faces they do have got different foreheads and ear shapes ontop of generally different base designs. It just came at the cost of the most fundamental option in making your character unique in a game with ZERO body customization. "Head stuff" is how you make your character look different compared to everyone else, it's 1 of the most striking things you can change about your character when you have no control over body shape and I have no clue wth was going through their minds when they decided to make these races have "highly limited head stuff".

On the topic of shared hairs and hats people get upset with me for saying this, but I really don't think there's a point to whining about shared hairs and hats. They've spoken about these race's head ish like once every 3 to 6-8 months, and it's been clear for over a year now that they don't intend to add old or new shared hairs or traditional hats. They've outright said it, best to accept that and focus on the things they HAVE promised which is new race unique hair/ faces.

When it comes to their heads, at this point it's a case of "the genie is out of the bottle". They're not going to take away something they've already given people, so they won't redesign them to be shaped in a way that allows them to work with the kitty head system. The only way I see them "fixing" this "miscalculation in design" is releasing 4 new heads for both races that are actually designed as "kitty head with slightly longer ears/ kitty head that's slightly more beastly looking face" and allowing those faces/ heads to be an option for people who want access to all these other things. Otherwise, besides completely giving up on some core design principles they're working under, the only way I see that fix coming would be through a massive graphics and CC engine update in the future.

And don't mistake me for defending them, I think they made many mistakes with these races and most of which aren't defensible. It's really a testament to how much I like the end result that I'd personally be fine with Female Hrothgar having ZERO hair (aka being bald like female lions) if they looked good to me and had hats. IMHO if they wanted to do these half races they shoulda made Viera a "FF14 original bunny girl" race with its own lore and its own "FF14 friendly head design" so it could have all the same options as kitty gals and they shoulda compromised on some cool things for Hrothgar in an attempt to make them more FF14 friendly (Like, there's no reason that Hrothgar heads need to be SO DIFFERENT that their hair options are stuck to their face of choice because .... the forehead and ears don't fit manes from other heads. Why even have "manes"? Draggo's race hair looks just as beastly in some cases, yet they're not limited)

Since Square Enix has increased it's playerbase- it's making waves in the MMO genre- A lacking character design should not be a problem with a company like Square Enix.. but it is.

I'd rather have a full patch full of content that is aimed at fixing & updating the character creator & the races rather than the same types of things they always release.

There should be no reason I can't wear my Matoya's Hat on my Viera- that's not an event item- it's a special item code given for using real money to buy one of their art books- it's not much different than mog station items
Hat's & hairstyles should be visible on Viera & Hrothgar, no question, when it comes to mog station.

Once you take a look at Viera & Hrothgar & find out how limited they are, it's a no brainer these races were rushed
Well, Take the time to make it right by fixing the elephant in the room
Give Viera & Hrothgar hats & the hairstyles from Mog Station & events

Viera & Hrothgar are being ignored by SE just as much as the players asking for Egi & Fairy glamour updates
SE isn't a small indie company with no money- they can take the time to fix these races & update the severely outdated character creator- they just won't due to "limitations" they don't feel like working around.

I'm alright with the devs not editing all hats in the game to work for V/H, but an exception SHOULD be made for mogstation items. Especially those that are part of costume sets. I'm also kind of confused as to why the YorHA hat works on viera, but not the tiny eastern hat that sit on the side of your head. I paid real $$ for the latter, and don't forget how long it took them to add " This head gear will not be displayed when equipped by Viera characters. " to mogstation listings.

[QUOTE=SturmChurro;5535495] but hrothgar players don't seem to complain as much as viera players. :p
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Haha...just going to say that hrot****[redacted] because they aren't being shown love by daddy SE. So they take matters into their own hands more often than now

I do hope this thread stays on the top page and attracts interesting view points from all around. I really do enjoy reading all of you guys' feedback!

I'm pretty sure the reason we see fewer Hrothgar complaints compared to Viera has more to do with just how many people actively play Viera compared to Hrothgar, which is pretty expected in an MMO popular in Asia, where female avatars are more popular in general. It's just basic math.

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Originally Posted by MorionQ

I'm pretty sure the reason we see fewer Hrothgar complaints compared to Viera has more to do with just how many people actively play Viera compared to Hrothgar, which is pretty expected in an MMO popular in Asia, where female avatars are more popular in general. It's just basic math.

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Nah, it's because of the types of people who play each option. People who play a supermodel female race are more likely to whine about cosmetics than someone who decided to play a large, manly, beast headed race. It's like how Femroe are far less popular than Roebros, but you see far more people post images of their Femroe online for people to look at. People like playing dress up with the female characters.

That's not to say Hrothgar are all just hunky dory about it, I just see far more on twitter simply embrace mods and treat it as the norm even though they are in a far worse customization position.

Lovely to see a megathread existing for this now. <3

Good luck on your mission everyone! Let's hope Viera and Hroth get some TLC soon!

I just want my helmets back really.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

I just want my helmets back really.

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AF and mogstation hats would be nice~

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Originally Posted by lezard21

The Hrothgar walk animation is what I imagine how juiced bodybuilders walk like after they go to the bathroom and there's no one around to help them wipe.

Please address this abomination.

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It's just due to them being the Beast Race, it was the same with the Orc's in WOW too, and look how long it took them to go to the chiropractor.
As soon as a game places a playable Beastly race in a game you can be sure they will suffer back issues and be hunched over.

I fully agree with the sentiments stated here wondering why the Devs have been so tight lipped about it. Like do they expect us to just forget about it, whilst every new patch brings new hats/hairstyles for every other race besides Viera/Hrothgar? It just breeds contempt and anger, and that’s on the devs, not the players for expecting something they promised. It would do them a world of favour to do a little bit of PR on this and just say “Hey, sorry there’s been no exclusive Viera hairstyles yet (which we said we’d give) or additions for Hrothgar, we haven’t forgotten you and we’re working on it.” That alone would quell much of the anger and impatience, for myself included.

My raiding main is hrothgar now and I am happier with him than I thought. Getting used to walking animation took few days, I find it ok and positively distinctive by now - love looking like lion and their emotes generally are good and enjoyable i think ^_^)/

Makes me so so so wish I could be fem!hrothgar too! Since the boys are so surprisingly lovely.
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Yeah, this was "gimmi missing genders plz" post. Have an excellent day ya'll!

My guess on why they are being quiet and not just adding stuff over time is because we'll get a substantial refactor of the two races in 6.0 . Adding more stuff during 5.x would just impact and put more burden onto bigger changes to the two races. Imo anyway lol

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Originally Posted by Beardo04

My guess on why they are being quiet and not just adding stuff over time is because we'll get a substantial refactor of the two races in 6.0 . Adding more stuff during 5.x would just impact and put more burden onto bigger changes to the two races. Imo anyway lol

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Surely if they are planning big additions in 6.0, they should have told us to calm the concerns we have no? Would make the most sense imo.

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Originally Posted by Beardo04

My guess on why they are being quiet and not just adding stuff over time is because we'll get a substantial refactor of the two races in 6.0 . Adding more stuff during 5.x would just impact and put more burden onto bigger changes to the two races. Imo anyway lol

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You're more optimistic than I am, I think we haven't heard anything for the simple reason that they haven't done anything.

I want to be pleasantly surprised but I wouldn't be at all shocked if the plan, such as it is, is to just leave the new races as they are indefinitely.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...new_tank_helm/

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...new_tank_helm/

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Looks like we're joining the no-ear gang. :)

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But does that work on Hrothgar, too?

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Originally Posted by Soge01

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But does that work on Hrothgar, too?

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Yeah, a Hrothgar was wearing it in the promo image.

I didn't notice that! Thank you! :D

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...new_tank_helm/

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I was shocked that people weren't talking about how this is the first open face helm that Hrothgar can wear when I saw so many tubers talking about the new gear. (Hrothgar can wear all helms outside of open face ones)

Seems like their solution in this case is just turning the ears off, wonder if that's going to be the norm or if they only did it cause of the big tail on the helm.

Honestly I love my Viera, but I'm at the point were I feel like I'm being penalized for playing one. Like I get not going back and fixing older hats. But mog station items and new stuff should be included, and its really frustrating they are not. The only reason I haven't changed is I can't justify to myself the cost of a fantasia for hats right now.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I was shocked that people weren't talking about how this is the first open face helm that Hrothgar can wear when I saw so many tubers talking about the new gear. (Hrothgar can wear all helms outside of open face ones)

Seems like their solution in this case is just turning the ears off, wonder if that's going to be the norm or if they only did it cause of the big tail on the helm.

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With that helmet you could argue the considerable space in the upper back may have allowed the lady to tuck her ears back enough to fit, probably a bit uncomfortable.. but when has comfort ever been the primary focus of combat gear?

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Originally Posted by Zyendo

Honestly I love my Viera, but I'm at the point were I feel like I'm being penalized for playing one. Like I get not going back and fixing older hats. But mog station items and new stuff should be included, and its really frustrating they are not. The only reason I haven't changed is I can't justify to myself the cost of a fantasia for hats right now.

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Im with you there. There are some really nice hats in the game that I *LOVE*, but I also love both my hrothgar and Viera and will not spend $20 just to change them to a race (probs roe and femroe) just to wear hats again. I dont mind them hiding my hroth ears since they're a lot smaller than Miqo ears, but this for Viera is simply just....weird

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

I was shocked that people weren't talking about how this is the first open face helm that Hrothgar can wear when I saw so many tubers talking about the new gear. (Hrothgar can wear all helms outside of open face ones)

Seems like their solution in this case is just turning the ears off, wonder if that's going to be the norm or if they only did it cause of the big tail on the helm.

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It looks awful! Anyway, SE is probably like, "just giving the people what they want!". :p

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It looks awful! Anyway, SE is probably like, "just giving the people what they want!". :p

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It's probably less of an issue with Hrothgar, so I guess I'd be okay if this was the way they went with it. For Viera players it might be a bit more awkward because of their ears.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's probably less of an issue with Hrothgar, so I guess I'd be okay if this was the way they went with it. For Viera players it might be a bit more awkward because of their ears.

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When I saw that, I was like: "Not like this!".. When I thought of hats for viera I never thought cutting off the ears would have been a valid choice, but SE is SE, I suppose.

Hrothgar, the difference in head shapes may be an issue. I'd have to check, but I think the dimensions actually vary, so that may be an issue for more open faced headgear. One model might not work for them all. While viera just have like a typical round head with floating ears or whatever, and someone shared a screenshot recently of it. Anyway, you close the visor here with viera, or really at a glance, they are just hyurs without those ears. Not to mention it's really jarring to think about, if people thought it was bad that miqo'te aren't getting ear holes, or even ear socks anymore! Viera have gigantic ears!

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

I fully agree with the sentiments stated here wondering why the Devs have been so tight lipped about it. Like do they expect us to just forget about it, whilst every new patch brings new hats/hairstyles for every other race besides Viera/Hrothgar? It just breeds contempt and anger, and that’s on the devs, not the players for expecting something they promised. It would do them a world of favour to do a little bit of PR on this and just say “Hey, sorry there’s been no exclusive Viera hairstyles yet (which we said we’d give) or additions for Hrothgar, we haven’t forgotten you and we’re working on it.” That alone would quell much of the anger and impatience, for myself included.

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I fully agree with this. Just a simple statement would do so much. I honestly feel like we've been forgotten about and like, no one wants to feel that way, c'mon

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

I fully agree with the sentiments stated here wondering why the Devs have been so tight lipped about it. Like do they expect us to just forget about it, whilst every new patch brings new hats/hairstyles for every other race besides Viera/Hrothgar? It just breeds contempt and anger, and that’s on the devs, not the players for expecting something they promised. It would do them a world of favour to do a little bit of PR on this and just say “Hey, sorry there’s been no exclusive Viera hairstyles yet (which we said we’d give) or additions for Hrothgar, we haven’t forgotten you and we’re working on it.” That alone would quell much of the anger and impatience, for myself included.

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2B and 9S hairstyles added today, that's 9 so far, and apparently a side ponytail was recently datamined so that's soon to be 10 new hairstyles for the other races and a whooping 0 for Hroths and Viera /joy

I already tossed a like in here the night this was made but was too tired to post.

The expansion is almost over and there hasn't been a peep from SE regarding head issues for the new races since that one comment in the beginning of the expansion about more viera specific hair coming. Meanwhile the pre-ShB races have gotten loads of new hairstyles during the expansion while a global pandemic has been going on for an enormous chunk of its duration.

There is just no excuse for the deafening silence on the matter. If SE have time to release so much head related content to the pre-ShB races even during a pandemic, then they have time to at least make a statement regarding viera and hrothgar head options.

I was not expecting to get see new head options for viera or hrothgar shortly after that lone comment was made, but I also wasn't expecting to endure almost two years of utter silence on the topic.

We didn't even get tossed a different bone like "sorry we can't give you new hair yet but here are some more tattoos" or "adjusting the old hats would make you wait too long so here are some viera and hrothgar specific hats for you to enjoy".

And as if the above isn't bad enough, the Valentines/Little Ladies event had only two rewards, and the only glam piece was a hat that viera and hrothgar can't use. Hats aren't even particularly associated with either of those events. They could have given a glam reward for literally any slot, and the headgear didn't even need to be a hat...but no they chose the one thing that entirely excludes two races. It's as if they forgot those two races exist.

I have tremendous respect for SE as a whole, they made so many games that have been long time favourites of mine, including this game. Their staff are truly gifted in storytelling, music, art and game mechanic design. I have so much admiration for the FFXIV team in particular for defying the odds and reviving this game from the dumpster fire that was 1.0 and turned it into a masterpiece. And this is why I'm so frustrated. I know they can do better, I have seen it countless times.

I cannot understand what there is to gain from making players feel forgotten when just a small statement along the lines of "it won't be soon but it is coming, we haven't forgotten" would do so much to give people hope and more patience to wait.

I have tried to be patient but the longer this silence lasts the thinner it gets. It is not too much to ask for some manner of response after already waiting for most of an expansion. I can wait until 6.0 for more head options, I can even wait until patches after that...but only if SE tell us that there is something to wait for. Because of how the situation has been handled for so long many of us are doubting that SE still have any intention to do something. I am very disappointed.

And please no one tell me to not be surprised about the lack of head options, I am not surprised by that. I am surprised by SE's extremely long dead silence and then making decisions about event rewards as if viera and hrothgar don't exist. I expected better than being made to feel as if my chosen race is entirely forgotten.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Looks like we're joining the no-ear gang. :)

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Oops, I didn't mean to jinx our sweet bunny-girls with talk of the calfskin hat. *hides*

Also, they don’t even have an asterisk on the Aesthetician hairstyles, to say that Viera/Hrothy can’t use it. Makes me wonder how many new players bought one of those, only to find they don’t work

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Also, they don’t even have an asterisk on the Aesthetician hairstyles, to say that Viera/Hrioty can’t use it. Makes me wonder how many new players bought one of those, only to find they don’t work

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<This player. This player right here did that.

I definitely expect some disparity, and I am relatively happy with my Hrothgar, my main complaint is the way their bodys are built makes some of the 'chunkier' armors make em look more fat than anything, but it is somewhat irritating how limited some of my headgear options are.

I really don't want to come across as upset with them. I think they did a really good job overall, but the hair thing is annoying. "Sameface" Hrothgar with the same hair-head combo are way too common compared to other species, I literally have started collecting pics of 'doplegangers' of mine who also share the color.

I don't think they need to do a lot, just little things to help out Hrothgar and Viera while COVID makes any big work weird. Hats too hard? Hair not in a good spot? Fine. Make Hrothgar get the ability to toggle a walking animation to hunch less, walk cycles aren't hard. Re-rig the Hrothgar's weapons because ho-boy the fact that they jitter so much bugs me. Make it so that for the Hrothgar you can also change your head during a haircut. Add new fur colors and patterns, there are plenty clearly missing! New race only hats, shoes, and gloves would be neat too.

Just a little something that shows A: they are still aware about and care about the disparity, and B: are committed to continued support, even if they can't ever bring it to full parity. Just little things that show they are still thinkin bout us.

The amount of effort I need to be happy here is shockingly low. Like amazingly so. "Hey your ears flick a bit now like the other cat race and the Monsterhunter quests now correctly note your ALSO a talking cat" levels of effort.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's probably less of an issue with Hrothgar, so I guess I'd be okay if this was the way they went with it. For Viera players it might be a bit more awkward because of their ears.

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It's definitely not the most elegant solution, but if it's this or making it invisible again I think I'll take this.

At least players get a bit of choice here and can hide it completely if they don't like how it hides the ears.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

2B and 9S hairstyles added today, that's 9 so far, and apparently a side ponytail was recently datamined so that's soon to be 10 new hairstyles for the other races and a whooping 0 for Hroths and Viera /joy

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The moment I saw that 2B's hairstyle was added I was like :DDDDDDDDDDDD, then I remembered I play Viera and was like :(((((((((((((((((((((.