Honestly, it's hard to tell sometimes. I've seen some pretty terrible ideas lately from people who seem to genuinely believe in them. Considering chaos seems to reign supreme around here I've decided to just roll with it, even if they're a known troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranhansha
just start selling yourself SE
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03-13-2021, 12:06 PMVahlnir
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03-13-2021, 12:45 PMItMeQuite a few people on this forum still actively engage with well known trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranhansha
Compared to this it's pretty harmless to give OP the benefit of the doubt. -
03-13-2021, 01:27 PMMsQiI should have included the "only" as in "only so far". It's still an advantage no matter how he downplays it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
If only the bleeding edge matters then it doesn't matter what they sell, The world firsts have their recognition, everyone else has lost as far as they are concerned and anything else is just a matter of time. Any item they sell is just saving the player time, they might as well just sell everything, by your own argument, which sets you at odds with Vahlnir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir
But that isn't really how it is. winning in and mmo is not just one thing. It's not just beating the hardest content first. The game is designed with a plethora of goals and various concepts of winning. Getting to level cap, finishing story content, Leveling crafting, Getting the "saint" title, Ranking in pvp, Finishing high end continent while it is still difficult, These are all goals and and ways to win in this game. Level boosts and story skips are selling advancement that goes toward one or more ways of winning. People care about who does what and when. "My group cleared it before your group!" etc. I've been at this for a Long time.
If only skill matters then it doesn't matter if they sell gear. However skill takes time to learn. If you aren't using time to get through the story or to level you can use that time to develop your skills. I wasn't talking about only world firsts. If two people start today and one uses a skip, that person has less to do before getting into end game content, and spend more time learning fights and likely get done before the other. That is an advantage in endgame. If a person gets to endgame 3 months before the raid patch while the other 3 days, they got to play the previous tier while it was still considered current. That is also something people consider an advantage.
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03-13-2021, 03:28 PMZanarkand-RonsoBetter idea....dont do ANY of this, and keep the game how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
You want something? Then try to get a group together and learn the content and play the game. I know, its time consuming and sometimes tough...but if you want something, you need to put in the effort to earn it. -
03-13-2021, 05:19 PMBsrking5Ok, but when i try and get new player into the game how do you explain how content seller are protected by SE. That RMT spammers and bots are dealt with passive-aggressive. That the game isnt pay to win when it is shoved front and center. That its not plagued with abuse because you look away from it and pretend its not real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso
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03-13-2021, 05:56 PMThemarvin
Keep the game how it is, perma ban content Savage and Ultimate sellers, just for posting stuff in it in PF and demand no use of external links including SE forums in PF as a ToS strike 1-2-3 addendum.
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03-13-2021, 06:30 PMGodzillaxpowerrangersWhen I see the it's not a troll post I know its a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranhansha
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03-13-2021, 10:11 PMLiam_HarperYou know your thread is a really bad troll when even MPK comes along and goes "nope, count me out"...Quote:
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03-13-2021, 10:26 PMSaefinnBut /are/ they protected by SE? I've never seen them come out in favour of them or saying it's okay to do. The explanation really should be, "there's people who get away with things they're probably not supposed to". The game isn't designed to be pay to win. There are people who choose to exploit it that way, but that's been a thing in MMO's since forever, it's not by design, it's by exploit. When it comes to RMT especially then it's like cutting the head off of a hydra, as long as they're making more money than it costs for them to make new accounts then they'll keep doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
And given for many types of runs these people will need to log into your account. You're not exactly going to be able to leech an Ultimate run. So that's a big "no". -
03-13-2021, 10:48 PMPentheaNo, because the vast majority of players don't engage in paying to be carried or having their account played for them so they can get goodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
It only works in Diablo because it's not a mmorpg. It's a mostly single player game and while there is co-op it's very small groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5
Also Diablo heavily relies on borrowed power (gear that makes your abilities act differently and be far more powerful) to be able to get past certain points so sometimes you do need ultra specific gear to do something. BiS exists in FF but you don't -need- everything to be BiS to clear content. FF isn't balanced around having full BiS but Diablo is balanced around having a lot of borrowed power.
And if the SE ever bring in what you suggest I would seriously consider quitting. If I wanted to play a game where the devs endorse pay to win then I wouldn't be playing this game. -
03-13-2021, 11:00 PMVyrerusGoing to point out that level skip potions also come with 500k gil per skip purchased. I'm not too versed in it myself, so I'm not sure if the 500k is a one time thing per character, but... that is real in game advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir
If someone has deep enough pockets, they can buy a skip on an alt for every single combat job that isn't newly introduced. This means a total of 7 million gil obtained legally through SE's online store. If it's one time per character, then they can just keep creating alts and buying 500k gil, and then transferring it to the character they intend to raid on via an FC chest or through friends/raidmates.
Obviously, hardcore people are not averse to RMT, but the skips have literally introduced a legal variation of RMT, though obviously the return per real currency spent is atrocious.
This means, if your pockets are deep and you have the inclination, then you can do zero work and obtain full pentamelded crafted gear right at the start of each patch that has it. That is a real advantage for Savage content, as well as many other things outside of that content. Buy enough gil this way(or others), and you can also pay people off to do things for you or do things like manipulate housing and Altana knows whatever else. -
03-13-2021, 11:12 PMMilkieTeaGod, right? MPK normally engages pretty hilariously with troll threads and even THEYRE not willing to engage this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam_Harper
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03-14-2021, 02:11 AMBsrking5It didn't work in diablo, thats why they removed it. And content sellers are the pay to win option which SE doesn't even dealing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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03-14-2021, 02:19 AMPentheaLol if you think it doesn't work then why are you suggesting it with that game as an example? Did you just expose yourself to be a troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bsrking5