Mordion Gaol is a bad system

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It probably is for the better to just not say anything

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Fixed it for you, and about the only reason I'm able to keep this character, for now.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

While we're on the subject. I'd rather not harp on anyone who may or may not have done something, I would bring up the alternative of not having such a system.
I feel like the game would be far far more toxic if SE didnt have some kind of GM task force to ensure things mostly pan out smoothly.

It's never going to be perfect, and sometimes the innocent ones will inevitably fall thru the cracks. Just like any real life justice system. But without it, I'd wager things would be far worse.

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Well they need a system otherwise it becomes a horrid cesspit like world of warcraft where all the guys are sexist and make jokes about dead babies and things.

A straight out ban/suspension of account without any in game ‘jail’ would seemingly be a more western thing to do. Perhaps this is how it’s done in Japan, but quite a few US/EU people seem to react with either anxiety or some sense of hard done by.

An email stating what you specifically said, giving a warning/ban is more common in this market than what sounds like an interview with the principal.

I mean... Even GTA V, which is centered around violence, and other stuff has a bad sports lobby. (Cousin's husband got put in it LOL. It's timed and apparently you get stuck in there longer every time you get put in there.)

So, having a time out system seems somewhat normal in some games. Which is better than out right receiving the ban hammer. Just... Be mindful of others and what you say/do ?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

A good example is a twitter user who said she didn't want to work with bi people in her "industry". I'm not going to say what it is, because that wouldn't be appropriate here, but let's just say she felt that the LGBT side of the "industry" wasn't clean. She never said that she hated gays, but worded it incorrectly. By the next night the news came that she ended her life, because everyone misunderstood her, and she thought her career was over. There was no attempt by most to understand her when she apologized, and tried to correct what she said. People already had the homophobic angle stuck in their minds.

I'm trying to say this as safe for work as possible, because despite the vulgarity of her profession, it is actually one of the best examples of toxicity in cancel culture. Cancel culture complaints are absolutely not just a disregard for consequences. This woman was genuinely sorry like I am, and wanted to correct what she said. She had perfectly just concerns, and wonderful intentions. Most people do not deserve to be put through the wringer like this.

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Excuse me, but for your example, did you just explain her tweet like "she felt like the LGBT side of her industry wasn't clean" as if it was something better than "I don't want to work with bi's"?

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Originally Posted by RexVex

I mean... Even GTA V, which is centered around violence, and other stuff has a bad sports lobby. (Cousin's husband got put in it LOL. It's timed and apparently you get stuck in there longer every time you get put in there.)

So, having a time out system seems somewhat normal in some games. Which is better than out right receiving the ban hammer. Just... Be mindful of others and what you say/do ?

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I agree that the game needs a time out system. I just think it should be implemented better.

If I could change it, I would make it so that when you enter you're greeted with a notice explaining what place you're in. You have the option to file your appeal like usual, but it would be a lot more clear on what is going on. After you apply, you'd be put in a line behind other players to see a GM, and it would update how far along you are in the queue. That way you don't have to wonder aimlessly about what is going on in perpetual anxiety. You could carry along with your regular life in the background while you're waiting, and have a smoother process.

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Originally Posted by Realism_Snide

Excuse me, but for your example, did you just explain her tweet like "she felt like the LGBT side of her industry wasn't clean" as if it was something better than "I don't want to work with bi's"?

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I'm eyeballing "she had wonderful intentions" myself.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

My mother for instance constantly insists that "hell" is a swear word, even though it's mild.

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Just talk as you would to your grandmother... with your mother standing by ready to clip your ears if you use anything stronger than "heck".

And never disparage another group of people.

Do those, and you won't go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Just talk as you would to your grandmother... with your mother standing by ready to clip your ears if you use anything stronger than "heck".

And never disparage another group of people.

Do those, and you won't go wrong.

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I actually got conditioned to never curse around my mom or grandparents lol. To this day, if I am about to say one I'll catch myself. :p

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I actually got conditioned to never curse around my mom or grandparents lol. To this day, if I am about to say one I'll catch myself. :p

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Hehe the same!

wow, I wasn't aware the game had a system like this. Well sometimes players need to be punished for bad behaviour I do think a GM should have contacted you telling you what you did and how long you'll be there.

y'all ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?

because this whole attitude of "You know what you did wrong, you rulebreaker." when the OP is stating multiple times they have no clue what got them reported in the first place is really not helping the situation any.

Personally speaking I've only ever gotten banned, once, here on the forum, and you know what the mods did? Give me the posts I got banned for. When I read them I went "...yeah, fair." and didn't question it further. Haven't eaten one from that point, and I've certainly not been put in jail for my entire time playing.

I get that it's to prevent witch hunting, but I think that's a poor reason. You can't expect someone to better their behaviour if they don't even know what they've done wrong. OP is clearly very involved in both the game and the forums, and by his own account this is his one ban in 6 years. You're all acting as if this is some new account with a history of bans on his name. Do you really expect someone who's been playing 6 years without incident doing nothing different from the usual to know what he's done wrong at some point?

Y'all need to chill out on the outrage sometimes.

EDIT; and before anyone points out OP's melodramatic tone and wording, using terms like "unethical" and "traumatizing" even as soon as the first post... don't worry, I read those too. Still think the reaction is a mite overblown.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

y'all ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?

because this whole attitude of "You know what you did wrong, you rulebreaker." when the OP is stating multiple times they have no clue what got them reported in the first place is really not helping the situation any.

Personally speaking I've only ever gotten banned, once, here on the forum, and you know what the mods did? Give me the posts I got banned for. When I read them I went "...yeah, fair." and didn't question it further. Haven't eaten one from that point, and I've certainly not been put in jail for my entire time playing.

I get that it's to prevent witch hunting, but I think that's a poor reason. You can't expect someone to better their behaviour if they don't even know what they've done wrong. OP is clearly very involved in both the game and the forums, and by his own account this is his one ban in 6 years. You're all acting as if this is some new account with a history of bans on his name. Do you really expect someone who's been playing 6 years without incident doing nothing different from the usual to know what he's done wrong at some point?

Y'all need to chill out on the outrage sometimes.

EDIT; and before anyone points out OP's melodramatic tone and wording, using terms like "unethical" and "traumatizing" even as soon as the first post... don't worry, I read those too. Still think the reaction is a mite overblown.

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Well I mean he was proven guilty by the gm, the gm looked at what he did and decided he needed to be punished for it. He needs to move on and be glad he didn't get banned, even if he doesn't know what he did wrong. He said he hasn't gotten in trouble in 6 years of playing so it unlikely to happen again.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

Well I mean he was proven guilty by the gm, the gm looked at what he did and decided he needed to be punished for it. He needs to move on and be glad he didn't get banned, even if he doesn't know what he did wrong. He said he hasn't gotten in trouble in 6 years of playing so it unlikely to happen again.

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I ain't saying that the GM's decision is a bad one. I don't know the context of his ban.

What I'm against is the incessant witch hunting happening in this thread for a guy daring to critique a system he felt was unfair, and which I honestly can't say he lacks a point in. Having to wait in-game with no way to know when someone will check your ticket, instead of, say, a casual e-mail chain, and then not even getting a "okay so you called someone a dipsauce" for your troubles... eeeh, I can't say that's a good way to handle bans my hombre.

Just because a streamer abused his platform for a witch hunt doesn't mean SE should go full witness protection on our asses. If anything, the only thing this proves is that the streamer should be barred from ever playing the game again.

The system is flawed and bad. At its current stage of implementation, it's more worthwhile to ban the account outright and send them an e-mail because it achieves essentially the same goal.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

I ain't saying that the GM's decision is a bad one. I don't know the context of his ban.

What I'm against is the incessant witch hunting happening in this thread for a guy daring to critique a system he felt was unfair, and which I honestly can't say he lacks a point in. Having to wait in-game with no way to know when someone will check your ticket, instead of, say, a casual e-mail chain, and then not even getting a "okay so you called someone a dipsauce" for your troubles... eeeh, I can't say that's a good way to handle bans my hombre.

Just because a streamer abused his platform for a witch hunt doesn't mean SE should go full witness protection on our asses. If anything, the only thing this proves is that the streamer should be barred from ever playing the game again.

The system is flawed and bad. At its current stage of implementation, it's more worthwhile to ban the account outright and send them an e-mail because it achieves essentially the same goal.

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Well, this way, he doesn't get a temp ban. Otherwise, instead of gaol until he talks to GM, its a 3 day temp ban. Not sure how thats better.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, this way, he doesn't get a temp ban. Otherwise, instead of gaol until he talks to GM, its a 3 day temp ban. Not sure how thats better.

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All I'm saying is what I'd prefer. With a temp ban you know how long your out- the gaol though? Wait and pray. Not my cup of tea.

EDIT: Also on top of the fact you'll still walk out not really knowing what to fix in your behaviour going forward. Let's not forget that part.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

All I'm saying is what I'd prefer. With a temp ban you know how long your out- the gaol though? Wait and pray. Not my cup of tea.

EDIT: Also on top of the fact you'll still walk out not really knowing what to fix in your behaviour going forward. Let's not forget that part.

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Don't swear at people, harass them, or hold runs hostage because things arent going your way?

Its not hard to not get in trouble.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

EDIT; and before anyone points out OP's melodramatic tone and wording, using terms like "unethical" and "traumatizing" even as soon as the first post... don't worry, I read those too. Still think the reaction is a mite overblown.

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To be fair, I have had a rough couple of days due to family drama. My mood has not been very good, this incident only made me feel worse.

Also healing from an injury at the same time. If I'm on edge, I apologise. I feel very.. pricked and poked emotionally if that makes sense. My mental and physical health are not well at all.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Don't swear at people, harass them, or hold runs hostage because things arent going your way?

Its not hard to not get in trouble.

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Mate. I don't get in trouble. The OP hadn't either for the longest time. It looked like a freak accident.

So imagine their shock and surprise when they have gotten in trouble, with no indication of what that was other than a vague "you were rude to someone"

I don't condone harassment, and I hope no sane person does either. However, when you punish a small child, you don't just go tell them to "stand in a corner, you know what you did" because that doesn't help the small child to understand what he has done wrong. Telling someone 'you know what you did' can be true in some or most cases. But it's not all cases. And, when you don't tell people how they can improve, you're liable to have them repeat their behaviour instead of avoid it.

I'd like to root out toxicity. You start that by educating people, not by tearing them down. If someone is pointed to a bad thing, says "okay I'll do better" and then repeat their behaviour, they are either unable or unwilling to actually improve. When you don't point them to it, even if they're willing to improve, they might find themselves unable to because they can't recall what they have done wrong... and then, in future, if they repeat their behaviour and get banned for it while still not knowing, I can't exactly tell you the system is working as intended.

Rehabilitation and redemption are concepts that exist, and I prefer them over wild lynching.

You do the crime. You do the time. The company owes you nothing. You know what you did. You knew what you did was against the rules. Next!

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You do the crime. You do the time. The company owes you nothing. You know what you did. You knew what you did was against the rules. Next!

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the issue is literally not knowing what you did wrong.

responses like this help nobody to improve their behaviour.

Like, seriously people, are you listening to yourselves? Are responses like this really good examples of what model behaviour should be? If this is how people who don't get banned act, don't you think that would actually encourage people to become more toxic instead of less?

God, I don't even doubt the fact OP probably did something to deserve it (not that I can check this) but these responses are ridiculous.

Why are we defending corporations and system blindly out of obligation, again? Are we just going to assume that a person in authority is always correct, no matter the circumstance? History has had plenty of tyrants with authorities, so I'm less sure about this than you. And yes, this is a virtual videogame with cat and bunnygirls running around; it doesn't carry nearly the weight or import of an authoritarian and suppressive government. That doesn't change the fact the underlying mentality here is the same.

Are you all against the concepts of a state-appointed lawyer, by any chance? For people to have the right to defend themselves? Because responses in this thread really give me a lot of "shoot first, don't ask questions" vibes, gonna be real.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

the issue is literally not knowing what you did wrong.

responses like this help nobody to improve their behaviour.

Like, seriously people, are you listening to yourselves? Are responses like this really good examples of what model behaviour should be? If this is how people who don't get banned act, don't you think that would actually encourage people to become more toxic instead of less?

God, I don't even doubt the fact OP probably did something to deserve it (not that I can check this) but these responses are ridiculous.

Why are we defending corporations and system blindly out of obligation, again? Are we just going to assume that a person in authority is always correct, no matter the circumstance? History has had plenty of tyrants with authorities, so I'm less sure about this than you. And yes, this is a virtual videogame with cat and bunnygirls running around; it doesn't carry nearly the weight or import of an authoritarian and suppressive government. That doesn't change the fact the underlying mentality here is the same.

Are you all against the concepts of a state-appointed lawyer, by any chance? For people to have the right to defend themselves? Because responses in this thread really give me a lot of "shoot first, don't ask questions" vibes, gonna be real.

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The problem here, is there is a clear set of defined rules.

The GM went over the report, decided he violated those rules, and put him in jail.

He isn't going to be able to dispute that. That's not changing.

This is how every online game I've ever played has been.

They don't tell you what you did for the offense (outside the specific ToS violation) to prevent witch hunts, which you say are happening in this thread for some reason.

This isn't some new thing. Its been this way for what, 10 years now? almost 8 if you don't count 1.0.

The OP knows what the rules are. We all do. And sure, you can be having a bad day. Doesn't change the rules. Just dont say anything if you are having issues. Or log off.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The problem here, is there is a clear set of defined rules.

The GM went over the report, decided he violated those rules, and put him in jail.

He isn't going to be able to dispute that. That's not changing.

This is how every online game I've ever played has been.

They don't tell you what you did for the offense (outside the specific ToS violation) to prevent witch hunts, which you say are happening in this thread for some reason.

This isn't some new thing. Its been this way for what, 10 years now? almost 8 if you don't count 1.0.

The OP knows what the rules are.

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The thread title is "The Mordion Gaol is a bad system."

The OP gives his reasonings why based on an anecdote of him getting banned and how this didn't really help him know what he did wrong.

The first response is "lmao yeah it's a bad system, I would've just banned you" with more likes than most anything else in the thread, followed up by "you know what you did" with an almost equal number. And yes, I do think likes are important- it's a measure to see how most people reading the thread feel.

The system being 10 or 8 years old doesn't change that its been flawed for those 8 or 10 years. The OP having been banned doesn't mean you should outright dismiss him without hearing him out.

I'd like a caring, listening community. Dunking on the guy just because he got in trouble once and dismissing everything he says for it is reductionist and I'm not fond of it.

You could easily have a discussion on the merits of the gaol system, but nobody seems to be interested in actually doing it. Instead, everyone seems more content to just tell OP to shut up because he got punished.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

The thread title is "The Mordion Gaol is a bad system."

The OP gives his reasonings why based on an anecdote of him getting banned and how this didn't really help him know what he did wrong.

The first response is "lmao yeah it's a bad system, I would've just banned you" with more likes than most anything else in the thread, followed up by "you know what you did" with an almost equal number. And yes, I do think likes are important- it's a measure to see how most people reading the thread feel.

The system being 10 or 8 years old doesn't change that its been flawed for those 8 or 10 years. The OP having been banned doesn't mean you should outright dismiss him without hearing him out.

I'd like a caring, listening community. Dunking on the guy just because he got in trouble once and dismissing everything he says for it is reductionist and I'm not fond of it.

You could easily have a discussion on the merits of the gaol system, but nobody seems to be interested in actually doing it. Instead, everyone seems more content to just tell OP to shut up because he got punished.

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I gave the merits. You don't get instabanned. You get to talk to a GM. Sometimes it reverse the punishments, when things are taken out of context.

You'll note that OP said they have been having issues outside the game recently that most likely involved them saying something in game they shouldn't have. That doesn't change the rules.

The OP was treated fairly. Everyone knows how to contact a GM. Or they should. And GM's usually respond within an hour. Every experience I've had has resulted in that. Sure, they could have a window pop up with a contact GM button. I don't think they use the jails enough to warrant the investment in dev time, but it could be argued.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I gave the merits.

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Sure. But here's some choice quotes.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Don’t break the rules and you don’t go there. Never been there in all the years I played.

I agree it’s a bad system though. I would have just banned you.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

You know why, clearly. You said you were put there for "offensive content/language". Don't use that kind of language around people you don't know. There's your transparency.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

Should be retitled "Mordion Gaol is working as intended".

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Originally Posted by Reap00

You do the crime. You do the time. The company owes you nothing. You know what you did. You knew what you did was against the rules. Next!

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Then again, re-reading some of these names, I guess I'm the clown here. Folk like Vickii, Doozer and Reap are known for starting shit lmao.

I was going to make a point, but I think it's funnier to keep me destroying my own point in here and taking the L. Have a nice day.

Good write ups Ammokkx, I can only like them once

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Good write ups Ammokkx, I can only like them once

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appreciate it, but I was arguing a strawman to the wrong person lmao

I got baited by some of the most notorious personalities on the forums and then decided to extrapolate their bad behaviour onto others. Not quite ace detective work on my end, I'm afraid.

I can't help but question if the MMOs that opt to not be transparent about offenses are actually prone to having people subjected to witch hunting more often.

The problem with XIV's approach is that you're not even necessarily protecting anyone by refusing to divulge the exact nature of an offense. Case in point, the whole Arthars incident that led to a severely underperforming player being targeted/harassed outside of the game without any actual proof they were the one who reported him in the first place as they were not the only PUGs in that particular party.

If witch hunting happens, it's usually because someone outed themselves as the potential reporter of an offender intentionally or otherwise, and thus was likely to happen regardless of XIV's transparency policy. On the other hand, if someone says something they had genuinely no idea was offensive enough to be punishable, then gets silently reported by someone in a huge public channel like an alliance raid, Novice Network, or a capital city (Which incidentally, is where you're most likely to actually offend someone), the risk of a witch hunt happening basically doesn't exist and the player is simply left feeling utterly bewildered about what they did wrong.

I feel like it's a net negative, personally.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

The thread title is "The Mordion Gaol is a bad system."

The OP gives his reasonings why based on an anecdote of him getting banned and how this didn't really help him know what he did wrong.

The first response is "lmao yeah it's a bad system, I would've just banned you" with more likes than most anything else in the thread, followed up by "you know what you did" with an almost equal number. And yes, I do think likes are important- it's a measure to see how most people reading the thread feel.

The system being 10 or 8 years old doesn't change that its been flawed for those 8 or 10 years. The OP having been banned doesn't mean you should outright dismiss him without hearing him out.

I'd like a caring, listening community. Dunking on the guy just because he got in trouble once and dismissing everything he says for it is reductionist and I'm not fond of it.

You could easily have a discussion on the merits of the gaol system, but nobody seems to be interested in actually doing it. Instead, everyone seems more content to just tell OP to shut up because he got punished.

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Sincerely, thank you. You have no idea how overjoyed I am to see this reply. I wish the forum didn't have so many people bullying, and being negative to people that don't deserve it, but here we are. That's a consequence to a badly utilized system revolving around the ToS. While I won't deny the reality that toxic people are everywhere, and no amount of punishment will ever truly put an end to it, you'd think people would be more in line if it was actually working. Clearly something is not.

And that's just the forums. I've heard horror stories of people committing criminal acts in game, which is definitely possible. Hitting on minors for instance often will go unpunished. I've heard horror stories of people reporting it, and then being frustrated that nothing ever happened to the person. With nothing to go off of besides the known age and behavior, a lot of people can't get law enforcement for example. SE needs to step up their game. I'm concerned that they take things way out of proportion, are not clear enough on their jail system, and that the worst people aren't being dealt with enough. I think that even just a simple small section for the website, that specifies what happens when you go to the jail, would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I gave the merits. You don't get instabanned. You get to talk to a GM. Sometimes it reverse the punishments, when things are taken out of context.

You'll note that OP said they have been having issues outside the game recently that most likely involved them saying something in game they shouldn't have. That doesn't change the rules.

The OP was treated fairly. Everyone knows how to contact a GM. Or they should. And GM's usually respond within an hour. Every experience I've had has resulted in that. Sure, they could have a window pop up with a contact GM button. I don't think they use the jails enough to warrant the investment in dev time, but it could be argued.

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Not what I meant. I meant in regard to the forum post being a bit dramatic in places, that it could be an effect of my poor mental state at the current time. The Mordion Gaol incident likely happened the day before my mental state started to derail. I went to bed and awoke to being in jail when I logged into the game.

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Cancel culture is incredibly rampant

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Um.

Mordion has been here for a long time, and pre dates "cancel culture" by about ten years or more.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

The whole banning over profanity is kind of weird given that there is a filter for it but it's in the TOS so thems the breaks!

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The filter is, to quote another MMO GM, not a license to swear like a sailor.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

No offence mate but I now have no doubt you said something offensive to get there. People only complain about "cancel culture" when they know the stuff they do would get them in trouble. I don't fear cancel culture because I understand how to behave around other people. It's not unlike men claiming they can't even talk to women lest they get "#MeToo'd", which really just says they don't understand how to treat women with respect.

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I have to disagree completely with this.

My SO is active in the art community for this game, and has been the target of absolutely RELENTLESS 'cancel' attempts and harassment, even though she's one of the sweetest, most harmless people (specifically when compared to me haha). They harass her because, even though she's never interacted with any of these people and keeps to herself, they don't like the specific artstyle she uses to depict a certain character.

Canceling is more often than not unhealthy, righteous bullying. Most people who participate in it aren't even the supposedly aggrieved parties; It's just a bunch of sociopaths moving from one bullying target to the next because they just enjoy hurting other people.


And the mordion gaol system is garbage. There are frequent posts of people that have been imprisoned for 3-5 hours who were later told they were put there entirely by mistake.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

My SO is active in the art community for this game, and has been the target of absolutely RELENTLESS 'cancel' attempts and harassment, even though she's one of the sweetest, most harmless people (specifically when compared to me haha). They harass her because, even though she's never interacted with any of these people and keeps to herself, they don't like the specific artstyle she uses to depict a certain character.

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Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

It's just a bunch of sociopaths

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And save the armchair diagnoses, doc.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.



And save the armchair diagnoses, doc.

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Save your whiteknighting for you echo chamber.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Oh boy, I can smell this one a mile away. What, does she draw them with lighter skin tones? Change their features to look more Eurocentric? Convenient of you to leave out details of her "artsyle", so all the rest of us can do is assume. If you want to show her as the victim, be specific, or I call bull. People who are the "victims" of cancel culture always neglect to mention important details that any normal person would have a problem with.

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Look at how disproportionately aggressive you are behaving over the idea of a counter-example to your point existing. Nothing in my original post warranted the kind of angry, unhinged response you've just given. You're coming off exactly like the kind of bullies you're trying to protect, so I guess your agenda is laid pretty bare.

Cancel culture doesn't have anything special about it that makes it immune from the same criticisms of mob behavior throughout history. There have been justified angry mobs, but there have been just as many unjustified angry mobs acting under false pretenses. Blanketly defending cancel culture and attacking its detractors is ignorant and dangerous. Maybe your mind will change when it turns against you and starts hurting the people that you love.

Anyway, the reason I can't explain specifics is because she's actually pretty well known, and I don't want her getting even more negative attention from perpetually angry strangers like yourself.

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Save your whiteknighting for you echo chamber.

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I too understand buzzwords.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Anyway, the reason I can't explain specifics is because she's actually pretty well known, and I don't want her getting even more negative attention from perpetually angry strangers like yourself.

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Yeah, I figured. Can't provide any more proof. I can guess what her "artstyle" is.

I'll admit my first reaction was the usual "don't say offensive things if you don't want to be banned" (which is true, be a nice person and you're far less likely to get in trouble) but the system is flawed. Witch hunts should be immediate perma-bans and cracked down on. Doesn't their updated ToS even allow them to ban based on 3rd party activity in bad cases? Similar to how parsers aren't allowed incase of harassment, rather than directly dealing with that harassment if it happens with a zero-tolerance policy.

Playing safe results in this strange system that imprisons players for hours, sometimes accidentally, with no idea what they did. It's not ideal and the only reason the system is used is to be cheap on staff resources dealing with any further cases of ToS breach.

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To be fair, I have had a rough couple of days due to family drama. My mood has not been very good, this incident only made me feel worse.

Also healing from an injury at the same time. If I'm on edge, I apologise. I feel very.. pricked and poked emotionally if that makes sense. My mental and physical health are not well at all.

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Probably what happened then, you had a rough run and snapped at someone and it didn't register as offensive because you were annoyed. I'm only saying that incase it helps you figure out what got you the ban. Any particularly rough PF runs?

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Yeah, I figured. Can't provide any more proof. I can guess what her "artstyle" is.

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It's funny how your first instinct was to inject race into this. Got something on the mind? :)

It actually mostly had to do with how she chose to draw a legal-aged, non-lalafell characters chest. Is that a good criticism to try to ruin half of someone's income over? A good reason to spam their separate main account with empty reports to try to get it suspended?

Good thing most of the people that attacked her were later outed themselves as.. more than questionable individuals. One of the main instigators was even outed as a straight up pedo lmao.

But hey, they were just brave, cancelling white knights who did nothing wrong.

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It's funny how your first instinct was to inject race into this. Got something on the mind? :)

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Weak attempt, try again.

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It actually mostly had to do with how she chose to draw a legal-aged, non-lalafell characters chest.

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Yeah I'm gonna need more info than that, buddy. No one cares about the chest of a "legal-aged, non-lalafell character" under normal circumstances. Give the whole story.

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Good thing most of the people that attacked her were later outed themselves as.. more than questionable individuals. One of the main instigators was even outed as a straight up pedo lmao.

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Someone doing wrong things doesn't mean they can't call out others, so that's a weak defence.

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But hey, they were just brave, cancelling white knights who did nothing wrong.

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Save the buzzwords.

EDIT: Why are we even talking about this? This thread is about some guy pretending he doesn't know why he got put in a gaol and it's SE's fault he said bad words. I think we should stick to that instead of whining about "cancel culture".

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This thread is about some guy pretending he doesn't know why he got put in a gaol and it's SE's fault he said bad words. I think we should stick to that instead of whining about "cancel culture".

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Well, if it is about that, why are you still posting? I thought you'd made your stance on the matter clear in the first few posts. Hm...