FF Youtubers are always wrong

FFXIV development is mostly random, new jobs and destinations can be anything. WoW is more stable since there is a pre-existing lore with the previous games.

Also, speaking generally, this is just a result of the video fetishism that started with youtube : useless videos about anything and everything are created constantly. Even when some text and pictures would be better, no, it must be a 20 mins video because videos are better (and monetized).

It was blindingly obvious to pretty much everyone it would be a new healer, so it seems to me like everyone got that one right.

But then, what healer? FF lore has no healers left. People thought it might be Geomancer, but Geomancer is only compared to a healer (AST) in some Job text. It's never actually been a healer. In Tactics, it was a melee DPS.

A healer will always be some sort of caster, because they're not going to rebuild duties that are already built around a healer always being a caster to support a kind of healer that isn't, so something like XI's DNC was never going to happen, not ever in a million years.

So what's left? Something we've never heard of.

Exactly the way AST is a Job that is pretty much exclusive to FFXIV, and SCH bears no resemblance to previous SCH. And GNB is a Job entirely invented by FFXIV, and SMN only resembles SMN.

The only really safe bet was *vague gesture* some kind of healer. Beyond that what did you expect?

Maybe because psychic powers are still in the realm of fiction?

Predictions are just for fun, why all the seriousness about it?

Also going to the moon has been something that a few of them have talked about.

It's because they don't have any factual information to base their opinion off.

You are literally watching an opinion piece.

You are choosing to waste breathe, heart beats, seconds per minute to watch absolutely nothing of consequence.

it's not been confirmed yet but I think we might be going to the moon idk

You say it's wasted time, I say it's fun to speculate. I dunno. /shrug

Sage came out of left field because there weren't any hints for it. That said, I am pretty sure Dancer, Samurai, Ninja, Blue Mage and Red Mage have all be in the predictions. I remember one of The Rising Events there's 2 NPC's talking, asking what comes after "White" and "Black" and then they said "Red" and "Blue", so I took that as a hint we'd get RDM, BLU or both. Ninja was obvious as hell. Dancer was speculated for Stormblood partially because of Lyse in the trailer where people weren't sure if MNK or DNC, where DNC could have been tapered off from PGL maybe. In 1.0 there were Ala Mhigan blade dancers and although the prediction didn't come true for Stormblood, the demand and predictions lasted to Shadowbringers too where many thought it'd be the 4th healer. Samurai was ousted by one of Yoshi P's t-shirts where somebody tracked the author and made the connect there. Somebody did the same for Yoshi P's t-shirt this time and came out with "Templar".

That said, I recall Mr Happy saying Red Mage would never work as a concept in this game. :P But they found a way.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Square knows people analyze the shit out of this stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they put in intentional red herrings.

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This. It's why I don't trust the hints YoshiP put out on our next melee job. But I'm going with 'Reaper' and seeing where that goes.

And like with the above "Templar" I think could be a red herring, especially as no doubt YoshiP knows people would repeat methods of figuring out hints as before.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

FF lore has no healers left.

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Time Mage (Healer in some games)

Sage (healer/dps hybrid in some games)

Devout (Upgraded White mage that's in some games, Krile kind of channels this with her hood)

Spiritmaster (Devout parallel in Bravely Default)

Bishop (Hybrid in FFT and a healer in Bravely Second)

Exorcist (Peculiar healer in Bravely Second)

Chemist/Apothecary (Healer in Variety of games)

And that's not even going into support/buffer classes, which can easily be converted into healers in theory. There were plenty of classes in other games to choose from, they chose to make a unique take on sage and there's nothing wrong with that, but please do your research before making an argument next time.

So in their defense:
1. They did predict a healer
2. NOONE could predict a straight up new made up class that does not even exist in FF lore as a healer
3. Should I show you the hundreds of post about Sylvannas becoming the Lich Queen and supposed leaks?

Also do you really want to go there with Preach giving a MASSIVE pass to Blizzard on Covenants and talking about how they were fixed or playing up Torghast as this fun thing that has turned into a massive grind fest?

Mr. Happy has been saying for years btw that we were going to the Moon and Ethys has DEFINITELY been saying for years that we were going to Thavnair since it is literally uncovered on the map and we pass it constantly on the way to Kugane.

How were they supposed to predict Sage when literally nothing in the game suggested we'd get a healing job with magical floating funnels?

They got it wrong because Square was very heavy-handed in their hints towards Chemist, probably because Square intentionally didn't want people to predict the job.

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Originally Posted by OvernightSiren

How were they supposed to predict Sage when literally nothing in the game suggested we'd get a healing job with magical floating funnels?

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The only possible hint and Ethys pointed this out was that Alpjinauds dad is a Sage but that tells you nothing since is no lore in the game to tell you oh hey btw it is a healer with magical Gundam tentacles.

I still don't get why this is even a problem. Just don't watch them.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

The only possible hint and Ethys pointed this out was that Alpjinauds dad is a Sage but that tells you nothing since is no lore in the game to tell you oh hey btw it is a healer with magical Gundam tentacles.

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Even in the context of the scene and any other time sage was mentioned/hinted at makes it sound like a old academic sage/philosopher with the sharlayans being depicted as highly educated and very philosophical there was not really a chance to go "ah yes the gun arm men of pew pew land" lol

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

we were going to the Moon

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Long ago Yoshida said he would like to take the game to sky, sea, and the moon. In that order. He said sky first because he thought it would be exciting to do first. I'm slightly paraphrasing. Yoshida let that one out of the bag long ago, I just think most people forgot or didn't know lol.

I think part of the problem, in general not targeting any youtuber, is that SE paves with gameplay first and then the lore is well crafted behind it. So people who try to predict, with certainty, things are likely going to have to try and recreate through that veil.

Chemist was mentioned yes, and this gives SE an easy intro if they want it, but they clearly don't make it simply because it's there from the lore. They make what they think will be fun for themselves, and the players (player feedback coming in here too), and then weave the lore around it like planting something or the wrapping paper on Christmas presents (wrapping gifts is important, presentation can really change something, bad lore can make what's inside not as exciting, but you've got to know what you want to put inside it first - amazing lore and terrible game is worse than amazing game and terrible lore, but amazing game and amazing lore is obviously the best lol).

Might be just as often accurate to start feedback on what you think would be fun and or in general good for the game. There are a number of items, big and small, that I've hoped for and then be like "well I'll be, look at that there it is" lol. Key to that is having patience though. Like say for example I said long ago I'd love a chocobo ranch and a place to chill (like in FF7), and some other person mentioned they'd love a place to have their minions out in the house, now look we've Sanctuary Islands (but on my part this was a request from many years ago). Also why I say I strongly believe SE is aware of people's desires and trys to accommodate where they think is possible, just.. like view things from a larger timescale than days and weeks into months or years and suddenly you might connect a lot of dots.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

In WoW everything is datamined and put on WoWhead on purpose as free publicity to promote what’s coming. There is nothing that will surprise you in WoW ever. Predictions are easy.

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Wow also has Public Test Realms. Anyone with an account can see what's coming in the next patch. Last I checked you could even log in with an inactive account.

So I am a very small YouTube doing FF14 videos and I did a prediction video for 6.0 and apart from hitting on there being a healer job I got nothing else right.

I thought the expansion would be called forespoken based on previous trademark filings and timeframes however I was wrong. I was also wrong about Chemist being the healer instead of sage. Was also wrong about getting a melee dps.

I do the videos because during these crap times I need something to during my downtime. I’m no where on the level of Happy, Meoni, Zelpha or any other even remotely known Youtuber however because I was wrong should I stop doing something that I’m enjoying and is helping me cope during a global pandemic?

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Originally Posted by OistyT

So I am a very small YouTube doing FF14 videos and I did a prediction video for 6.0 and apart from hitting on there being a healer job I got nothing else right.

I thought the expansion would be called forespoken based on previous trademark filings and timeframes however I was wrong. I was also wrong about Chemist being the healer instead of sage. Was also wrong about getting a melee dps.

I do the videos because during these crap times I need something to during my downtime. I’m no where on the level of Happy, Meoni, Zelpha or any other even remotely known Youtuber however because I was wrong should I stop doing something that I’m enjoying and is helping me cope during a global pandemic?

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I just want to thank you for this comment and for the honesty. Keep doing what you're doing if you enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I’m just surprised that these particular people hold their positions... So I just don’t get the reverence.

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Who hurt you?

The location i felt was very clear, just seemed to be a natural progression so im surprised they didn't get that one right. I also felt that a healer class was also clearly on the table. I personally guessed it would be something like Chemist.. but im glade they went the direction they did as i think it will make more players opt to be healers. I was hoping it would be another tank but felt it was unlikely due to GNB coming out.

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Originally Posted by OistyT

So I am a very small YouTube doing FF14 videos and I did a prediction video for 6.0 and apart from hitting on there being a healer job I got nothing else right.

I thought the expansion would be called forespoken based on previous trademark filings and timeframes however I was wrong. I was also wrong about Chemist being the healer instead of sage. Was also wrong about getting a melee dps.

I do the videos because during these crap times I need something to during my downtime. I’m no where on the level of Happy, Meoni, Zelpha or any other even remotely known Youtuber however because I was wrong should I stop doing something that I’m enjoying and is helping me cope during a global pandemic?

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No you shouldn’t stop doing it. You just need to make it clear that it’s for fun and you have no more idea than any other player. Which is something a lot of the top youtubers don’t do.

To Speculate: "form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence."

It's a gamble and more than likely going to be incorrect, especially without firm evidence, so I don't know what you should expect from a speculation video. Just sayin'

I don't know why FFXIV specifically has a fanbase that gets so absurdly hostile towards content creators so often. No wonder it has such a low amount despite being such a popular game.

Predictions are guesswork 99% of the time. Those videos are made just to add/generate discussions.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

No you shouldn’t stop doing it. You just need to make it clear that it’s for fun and you have no more idea than any other player. Which is something a lot of the top youtubers don’t do.

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This is the equivalent of having to add IN MY OPINION at the beginning of every post you make in a forum. Very unnecessary.

I don't watch them much but honestly, who cares? I'd expect them to be wrong. Nobody expected BLU either, much less what it ended up being, until that guy that worked with SE leaked it (and then with dancer and gunblade sort of, and MCH changes). I think nobody could've guessed those simply because we're fed a VERY particular and slim diet of information from the dev team for this very reason.

If people want to make money at it, good for them I guess. It's no different than people who speculate on the stock market and are consistently wrong. It's just one of those things that nobody can predict. They can only make conjectures based on what's out there.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

No you shouldn’t stop doing it. You just need to make it clear that it’s for fun and you have no more idea than any other player. Which is something a lot of the top youtubers don’t do.

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Why would anyone think any youtuber has more info than any other player though? Clearly none of them work for SE so it's speculation on their part just like it is for all players who speculate on this forum and on reddit. It's all for fun and discussion.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I don't know why FFXIV specifically has a fanbase that gets so absurdly hostile towards content creators so often. No wonder it has such a low amount despite being such a popular game.

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Yea I don't get it either.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I don't know why FFXIV specifically has a fanbase that gets so absurdly hostile towards content creators so often. No wonder it has such a low amount despite being such a popular game.

Predictions are guesswork 99% of the time. Those videos are made just to add/generate discussions.

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I am also quite a bit hostile towards content creators. I am not quite sure why. It's not like they are doing anything wrong, they just annoy the living crap out of me. Despite that, I still watch a lot of their videos. It's kind of like the news. I still watch the stuff despite how much I hate it, but I needs be aware of the ridiculous happening around the world. It's not like FFXIV content creators are in abundance or in demand, so I make do with what's there.

FFXIV is indeed a popular game, and the Final Fantasy series has a large fanbase. However, it's just a smidge on the radars of the gaming community as a whole; and the gaming community is just a smidge on the radars of the population worldwide. That is why I said that the content creators are low in demand, because from a grander perspective FFXIV is a very niche choice to partake in if wanting to be a content creator. Even from only just the gamer demographic. I suppose even though they annoy me, I still respect them for making the decision to allocate their time to bring information to the community. It is commendable to take something you love, and find a way to help others benefit from that.

Perhaps that is why. It resonates in a way that is negative because I have not been able to accomplish the same (probably even the opposite). That can be a tough thing to admit to.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I don't know why FFXIV specifically has a fanbase that gets so absurdly hostile towards content creators so often. No wonder it has such a low amount despite being such a popular game.

Predictions are guesswork 99% of the time. Those videos are made just to add/generate discussions.



This is the equivalent of having to add IN MY OPINION at the beginning of every post you make in a forum. Very unnecessary.

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I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?

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Because it's not that serious, Vickii.

Did you get t-shirts made with Forespoken on it or something to get so upset over this?

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?

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Why exactly do you care so much? They were wrong, life goes on, their career or whatever you want to call it goes on and if they lose viewership or something over it then that's what'll happen. You seem to want these content creators to be regarded as something to be ignored or not listened to, which is already the case for those that do not watch them. If you don't like them continuing to make money (not that hear youtube pays out that much unless you're HUGE) then make your own channel and rally support against these people who have so terribly wronged the community by leading them astray. Or get over it, that works too.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?

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Ma’am or Sir.... they are YouTube videos guessing video game content. You don’t even have to watch them. Some people enjoy seeing other people’s guesses outside the toxicity of the forum atmosphere.

I’m sorry Forespoken wounded you so much.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Ma’am or Sir.... they are YouTube videos guessing video game content. You don’t even have to watch them. Some people enjoy seeing other people’s guesses outside the toxicity of the forum atmosphere.

I’m sorry Forespoken wounded you so much.

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You don’t see my point. I could care less what the expansion was called. But it’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that a big company that makes games trademarking a title is not confirmation that they’re calling their next ff title that name.

Yet this guy wouldn’t let it go, made about ten videos and convinces half of you that this was definitely the title.

The least he could do is show some humility and do better in the future, but nope he goes on like nothing happened and he didn’t make a major mistake at his job.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?

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I remember Happy saying we would most likely see male Viera unveiled at one of the Fanfests prior to ShB launch. While this is anything but a guarantee, it won't stop certain peeps from seeing it that way. These are the same types that thought ShB would bring a 4th healer, and DNC was going to be it based off of pure speculation. I don't fault Happy for that, but I think his choice of words were also very poor. He admitted he was wrong in a video afterwards. Expressing an acknowledgement of an influence over the playerbase would be quite pompous, even for Happy, so I don't have that expectation of him.

Like all content creators, there are things about Happy that rub me the wrong way and ruffle my feathers. Perhaps it's their mugs. I have found that I enjoy gameplay and gaming videos much more when they keep their faces out of them. Even the ones that will talk about a certain topic, but do it while showing random gameplay from boss or dungeon encounters are far more watchable.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

You don’t see my point. I could care less what the expansion was called. But it’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that a big company that makes games trademarking a title is not confirmation that they’re calling their next ff title that name.

Yet this guy wouldn’t let it go, made about ten videos and convinces half of you that this was definitely the title.

The least he could do is show some humility and do better in the future, but nope he goes on like nothing happened and he didn’t make a major mistake at his job.

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Because he didn't. Part of his job is speculation and driving hype; he's there to make you excited. Keeping you excited keeps you playing. That means you're far more likely to watch his videos for news/speculation. Rinse and repeat. That's the cynical/business side of things.

The other half? The guy's just really passionate about his job and loves the game, so he's gonna make speculations based off his own experience with said title. He's not always wrong and he's not always right--that's the nature of speculation. But getting a guess wrong isn't something for him to lose sleep over in the same vein of how me being completely wrong about us getting a caster instead of a melee DPS (though it was a 50/50 chance for either) isn't gonna keep me up at night. I just roll with what's now concrete information and keep on speculating. And that's what he and anybody else who's interested in what's coming is gonna do.

Really, maybe you're just reading far too into his confidence. Guy's got an okay track record for predictions. I don't think he's wrong to feel like he's got a good peg on things.

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Originally Posted by Gerel

Because he didn't. Part of his job is speculation and driving hype; he's there to make you excited. Keeping you excited keeps you playing. That means you're far more likely to watch his videos for news/speculation. Rinse and repeat. That's the cynical/business side of things.

The other half? The guy's just really passionate about his job and loves the game, so he's gonna make speculations based off his own experience with said title. He's not always wrong and he's not always right--that's the nature of speculation. But getting a guess wrong isn't something for him to lose sleep over in the same vein of how me being completely wrong about us getting a caster instead of a melee DPS (though it was a 50/50 chance for either) isn't gonna keep me up at night. I just roll with what's now concrete information and keep on speculating. And that's what he and anybody else who's interested in what's coming is gonna do.

Really, maybe you're just reading far too into his confidence. Guy's got an okay track record for predictions. I don't think he's wrong to feel like he's got a good peg on things.

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That’s not happy I was talking about there. There was some youtuber who constantly referred to the game as forespoken. Some guy sitting in his room. He gave about ten reasons why that was definitely the name.

So the least he could do is admit he was wrong. But nope, now I’m sure he’s telling us all what the new job is absolutely definetly going to be, until it’s not.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

That’s not happy I was talking about there. There was some youtuber who constantly referred to the game as forespoken. Some guy sitting in his room. He gave about ten reasons why that was definitely the name.

So the least he could do is admit he was wrong. But nope, now I’m sure he’s telling us all what the new job is absolutely definetly going to be, until it’s not.

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Even if he spoke with a sense of certainty, it's still a speculation video. He doesn't have to apologize for "being wrong" unless he was being fairly malicious or toxic about anybody who disagreed with him. This is the nature of speculation: everything is a possible fact until disproven.

Also a lot of these content creators (of course not all, I don't want to give the impression that I'm painting them all with the same brush), they make their money with clicks and watches. What gets clicks? Click-baity titles like "NEW FFXIV 6.0 TITLE LEAKED???" and stuff like that where they just theorize. They're not going to admit they're wrong anymore than your local weatherman.

Well I'm sold, it sounds like you and your fc are way better at guessing things than these youtubers are so I look forward to the channel that you and they will most certainly be starting as you are the chosen ones we have all needed this entire time. Not only will you constantly be right, but when you are wrong I know you'll bow and beg for forgiveness and then immediately donate and shut off entirely your income from the guessing video-drop the link here when it's up and ready so I can subscribe, thanks.

Speculation is fun, I don't see any reason why it should stop. Sure it's often wrong but I think the people who enjoy it the most don't go into it *actually* expecting to guess right. It's nice to come together as a community to see if we can crack the devs' code, or maybe get some intel before it actually comes out. It's kinda funny to see SE has doubled down even more on being elusive than they were last expac, as we used the same info that got us the name of Shadowbringers and it ended up being wrong XD

FF youtubers are not all knowing, they're just people who like to talk about the game and theorise, none of them claim to know 100% what is going to happen. isn't this better, I prefer to be surprised than know what's coming ahead of time. It was a pleasant surprise to find out the predictions of the next expansion being called forspoken were wrong.

Ok so cheap plug time but I decided to make a video on this (I haven’t named anyone). I’ll not post a link here but if you are interested just search for my username on YouTube.

Anyway in short my response is SO WHAT! Content creators aren’t perfect or psychics who can predict the future and if we were I don’t think we’d be using our powers to predict the title of an MMO expansion.

Content creators do this because they like and/or love doing it. They have fun, they generate buzz, they use the information they have along with what has happened previously to make predictions, the same as what a lot of important jobs do when it comes to trends and fluctuations.

Forspoken was an intelligent choice based in the trademark and timings. Saying that Yoshi-p even said it wasn’t means nothing as why would he confirm the name of the expansion somewhere other than the announcement showcase.

As for Sage, apart from one throwaway piece of lore about Alphi and Alisaie’s father being a Sage there was nothing to suggest that. While even that piece of lore shows Sage as more of a philosophical type of person as opposed to fricking Gundam Doc Ock.

No one was going to get it perfect but everything I watched had solid reasoning behind it. How about for the next one in May me and the OP do a joint predictions video and see how close we both are and then see if they still think it’s a waste of time (as an FYI I do this as a hobby and my prediction video took me close to 4 hours to record and edit)