people who leave "fate" early, be considerate a little pelase?

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10-19-2020, 08:20 AM
Kamatsu

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Originally Posted by Jade3173

The simpler solution would be to just have everything spawn inside the fate. Then you have no reason to accidently leave the fate area

Problem is in some fates the mobs will move around, and if you're a ranged dps or healer and trying to avoid AoE's... it can be easy to leave the FATE's circle accidently.

Classic example is the Cyclops Boss fate in Central Hinterlands near Isgard entrance - that boss has AoE's that really, really hurt... and depending on who's got aggro on them, it might be near the fate border... so easy to be forced outside of the fate circle to avoid the AoE. I've done this fate a number of times, and if there's no decent tank around... it will bounce around as ppl top it's aggro table, at which point that person runs (as they are dps/healers and will die in like 1 or 2 hits)... which means the boss is roaming all over, and doing it's aoe's all over, thus easy to be forced out of fate area to dodge aoe's.

I doubt SE will change anything on this, but if they do then they should IMO consider either/both of the following:

- start a new fate? Nothing from the previous fate
- Leave a fate? Give a 10-20 second countdown warning to get back in or lose contribution.

In the end, people will do what they want. We can't 'tell' them to do otherwise, though we can ask *shrugs*. The other thing I'd like to say to those who leave fates:

- Take note of ppl still doing the fates. Will the fate complete with just them? If not, then please stay... esle you & they get nothing. I know it's easy to just mount up and fly off to next fate... but if too many leave and the fate fail's? You get drastically reduced rewards. Would it be better to stay that little bit longer and get full, or just constantly get lowered rewards?
10-19-2020, 08:31 AM
Kuroka

Its gettin even more annyoing as on top of that ppl pull tons of mobs into the fate npc and monster so we help them farm fragments... it sucks >_>
10-19-2020, 08:39 AM
Iscah

Constantly monitoring a FATE to check if it's finished and doubling back if it isn't sounds like more of a pain than just finishing it in the first place.

Also the enemies scale up according to how many people are doing it, and I assume that's on the basis of that many people being there for the entire FATE. Leaving the last few people to deal with a pack of super-tanky monsters sounds like a bad idea to me.

My server just has everyone descending on the FATE together, beating it quickly, then moving to the next one as a pack. It sounds more efficient than what's being described here.
10-19-2020, 08:40 AM
Kuroka

'It is, here you miss many fates as ppl rather start EVERY fate on the map isntead of doing all together lol
10-19-2020, 10:02 AM
Deceptus

Staying is fine if there's only 1 group on the map but if there's competing groups your group does half, theirs does half everyone gets credit. Especially if they're not willing to play nice and have the groups stick together.

Or

If you're having to solo snipe them because you can't find a group, drop in do 15-20%, get your gold and hit the next one.
10-19-2020, 02:29 PM
TaleraRistain

Honestly this is only an issue because for some godawful reason SE thinks "engaging content" is just go farm FATEs. Don't put in missions or instances that could be done solo, small group, and full group in your game that you use to get people the items they need for quests. No, everyone just wants to die of boredom farming FATEs ad nauseum in a FATE train. Let's not even instance these zones where we have players dying of boredom farming FATEs because that would make too much sense and raise the amount of people at a time who can be working on this, which would probably lessen the amount of the sort of thing happening in this thread because it wouldn't just be one zone with groups of FATE piranhas.
10-19-2020, 02:56 PM
Aeloria

I leave slightly early like maybe last 10% because im on ps4 and the swarms can make it hard for stuff to load so i try to get to a fate i think people are going to next sooner, but I don't usually engage right away I wait til i see the hoard of flyers coming in for a landing and then start.
10-19-2020, 04:30 PM
Driavna

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Correct, you are interacting with other people, so you need to stop trying to treat them like your personal property and leave them alone to make their own decisions.

Good thing not even once I posted what others should do, unlike you btw. Not only that, but you also keep trying to portrait me as the bad actor here.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

You are free to do whatever

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I already say that no one is going to tell anyone what to do
10-19-2020, 08:00 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The problem with this is that there are those "collect this thing and turn in" FATEs that have absolutely NO reason to stay if you have turned in everything. The last minute is there so people can turn in their things to get gold.

Except the FATE is already 100% complete when that 60 second countdown begin. Just the reward is delayed as others get a chance to drop aggro and turn their items in (game needs to reward all participants at the same time? dunno). It shouldn't cause an issue with my suggestion.
10-19-2020, 08:07 PM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

(game needs to reward all participants at the same time? dunno)

It's more that you don't get rewarded for items you collected but haven't handed in - I assume it just keeps tally and gives out credit at the end based on what you handed in. So if they didn't have the one-minute overtime counter and just ended the FATE as soon as someone else handed in enough items to reach 100% completion, everything that everyone else is holding would be forfeit. You might get no credit at all.
10-19-2020, 10:03 PM
Endeleon

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

I'm sure they're getting gold on the FATE solely because of the work of others /s

Well it wouldn't complete at all with everyone leaving, so yes. Not that hard to understand, but I mean... this forum LOL not surprised at the level of understanding here.
10-19-2020, 10:11 PM
JohnSpawnVFX

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Originally Posted by Endeleon

Well it wouldn't complete at all with everyone leaving, so yes. Not that hard to understand, but I mean... this forum LOL not surprised at the level of understanding here.

You're assuming that everyone arrived there at the same time and everyone left at the same time, and that there are no new people arriving at the fate.

Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain.
10-19-2020, 10:33 PM
Driavna

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You're assuming that everyone arrived there at the same time and everyone left at the same time, and that there are no new people arriving at the fate.

Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain.

You are also assuming the other way around.

Also, you post this:

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

They don't have much to do so they meddle with and judge what others do.

Then drop this on the same topic:

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Lol not surprised at this forum always arguing using their emotions and outrage instead of their brain

The most fun part is that you used: "if they get gold they did enough" as an argument. Any tank can get gold with no effort, particularly in boss fates.
10-19-2020, 11:36 PM
JohnSpawnVFX

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Originally Posted by Driavna

You are also assuming the other way around.

I'm not. That's what I see in most FATEs. There are always new people arriving at the FATE, because not everyone was at the same place. That's not a huge leap of logic.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Also, you post this:

In case you haven't understood, they mean the exact same thing. You're hiding under the pretense that what people are doing isn't inefficient(which if you think about it for a bit, it's obvious that it isn't) when instead you're arguing out of outrage and some deep seated fear that you'll be enable to complete your FATEs because everyone will leave. Leeching complexes shouldn't be fed. If you can't get Gold yourself when others leave, it's all on you.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

The most fun part is that you used: "if they get gold they did enough" as an argument. Any tank can get gold with no effort, particularly in boss fates.

The most fun is that you think tanking isn't doing anything. I better not catch you ever complaining about tanks not using cooldowns, because apparently they're automatic or something.
10-20-2020, 02:10 AM
Driavna

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Everyone should follow your example. That way the Fate never complete and no one gets anything.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Again, if everyone does that a fate is not going to get complete. Particular if is a Boss fate. You are free to do whatever, but in reality, anyone doing that is abusing the good faith of others.

This is my instance on this topic. All of this:

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You're hiding under the pretense that what people are doing isn't inefficient(which if you think about it for a bit, it's obvious that it isn't) when instead you're arguing out of outrage and some deep seated fear that you'll be enable to complete your FATEs because everyone will leave. Leeching complexes shouldn't be fed. If you can't get Gold yourself when others leave, it's all on you.

Is your own fabrication.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

The most fun is that you think tanking isn't doing anything. I better not catch you ever complaining about tanks not using cooldowns, because apparently they're automatic or something.

Just because you recently discovered that tanks need to use their CDs does not mean I'm unfamiliar with general game mechanics.
10-20-2020, 03:05 AM
JohnSpawnVFX

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Originally Posted by Driavna

This is my instance on this topic. All of this:

Is your own fabrication.

As anyone can see: all emotion, no logic and arguments. "I dislike what you're doing so I wish ill upon you."

You know jealousy is a deadly sin, right?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Just because you recently discovered that tanks need to use their CDs does not mean I'm unfamiliar with general game mechanics.

I might have recently discovered them according to you only, but it seems you are completely unfamiliar with them, given how easily you devalue them.

Again, all your posts are based on all emotion, no logic.

You know those memes of a guy crying, telling others what not do and being fun police? That's you right now.
10-20-2020, 05:13 AM
ForteNightshade

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I would say leaving the FATE boundary gives you a warning and a 30s countdown.
If you don't re-enter the boundary within that time your progress is wiped. if you do re-enter, you get automatically re-synced.

Definitely a better solution since just removing your FATE credit if you move too far away invites all of kinds of trolling potential. Some of it is entirely accidental too. If you've done any HW farming, you'll find BLU spamming Ram's Voice right where enemies spawn. If you move a hair too far, you'd lose all your credit despite being right on top of the FATE. Some type of 30 second warning at least allows you to correct for it.
10-20-2020, 08:35 AM
Deceptus

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Definitely a better solution since just removing your FATE credit if you move too far away invites all of kinds of trolling potential. Some of it is entirely accidental too. If you've done any HW farming, you'll find BLU spamming Ram's Voice right where enemies spawn. If you move a hair too far, you'd lose all your credit despite being right on top of the FATE. Some type of 30 second warning at least allows you to correct for it.

And there are tons of FATES where the mobs literally spawn OUTSIDE of the fate area.
10-20-2020, 08:45 AM
Nixxe

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Good thing not even once I posted what others should do, unlike you btw. Not only that, but you also keep trying to portrait me as the bad actor here.

You are a bad actor. You're lying to my face here telling me that no one is going to tell anyone what to do when the entire point of this thread is to tell other people what to do.
10-20-2020, 11:45 AM
Sophie_Lo

Personally, when I engage in a FATE, I see it through to completions because its in my nature, and would drive me utterly insane if I did leave it earlier for whatever reason. I do it because someone has to. I do it because its courteous to others staying behind to finish it. And I do it because (surprise!) there WILL be another FATE just a hop skip and jump away once the one I'm on is completed. Yes, I get it, "the creed is greed", "gotta go fast", and "get all the things as fast as humanly freaking possible." But not everyone is of that mindset. No, I'm not going to tell anyone at all what they should or shouldn't do, stay or go, whatever... but when I'm left to finish a FATE all by my onesie in the home stretch (which slows to a painfully slow progress), you can bet your bottom gil that I'm cursing the names of those that flitter off to the next one prematurely.

Of course, I'm certain there are very few early leavers that care, but c'est la vie.
10-20-2020, 01:56 PM
Driavna

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Definitely a better solution since just removing your FATE credit if you move too far away invites all of kinds of trolling potential. Some of it is entirely accidental too. If you've done any HW farming, you'll find BLU spamming Ram's Voice right where enemies spawn. If you move a hair too far, you'd lose all your credit despite being right on top of the FATE. Some type of 30 second warning at least allows you to correct for it.

When I first mentioned it was just a wild idea. With what has been said the idea of remove contribution if unsynced is bad and adds unnecessary stress to anyone with how easy is to leave the boundaries. I rather not inconvenience everyone for what a few do. A more elegant solution is what Jojoya mentioned about only tracking one fate at a time. Still, I don't see SE doing anything about this.
10-29-2020, 05:06 AM
Voidedge_Ragna

You guys know that if the fate has npc's in them they can and will solo the entire fate, the amount of times i ran to a fate to see it be at 80% when i arrive ... just to see that BRD girl lb3 all over the place ... or the blm nuking the entire place ... that's real.

Besides, I've yet to see a fate not be completed in Bozja, there's so many players most of the time they wont even reach the fate. Just chill, if a person kills 10 mobs and runs further meh. He done his job.

Most of the time everything in the fate gets piled up, some trash gets pulled in all nuke it and leave. I've never seen 30 players abandon 2 players in a fate who then died after struggling for 10min. Chances are there's 2 fates at the same time, and the players that leave the first one run to the 2nd and the players at the 2nd run to the first after 50% to do both.

The only person that cant run is the current tank on a boss fate, and that's well a given.

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