Marvel's Avengers Crossover

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Go back to DCUO then?

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I actually came from DCUO 5 years ago and found XIV to be the superior MMO for me since. I'll strive to try and understand that "Well go back to where you came from" mentality of yours though, and thanks for caring enough to reply. Be blessed and safe out there.

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

I actually came from DCUO 5 years ago and found XIV to be the superior MMO for me since. I'll strive to try and understand that "Well go back to where you came from" mentality of yours though, and thanks for caring enough to reply. Be blessed and safe out there.

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The things you asked for, which came from a hyper specific mmo which we both came from, will not ever be seen in ffxiv. Hence why I told you to go back.

We could get Avengers themed subligar. We already have a star spangled one, could just get a reskin.

I'd rather a Neptunia, World Of Final Fantasy, or Chrono Trigger/Cross crossover than a Marvel crossover and it isn't becuase I hate any of the mentioned IPs (I don't).

With all the bikini tanks and sports mascots running around and living in novelty houses, its easy to forget that XIV is still trying to keep to an established tone. And Superheroes tend to be a little on the campy side, and yet take themselves seriously enough to be out of place in Hildibrand. The tone woudn't fit with XIV (granted you could say that with the aforementioned IPs, or Dragon Quest which did crossover, but I think other JRPGs could mesh well better than the Superhero genre)

Also I'm pretty sure the Avengers Fortnite crossover was partly done to write a comic tie in and get Disney a little bit of that Fornite money

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

The things you asked for, which came from a hyper specific mmo which we both came from, will not ever be seen in ffxiv. Hence why I told you to go back.

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Does that include the space/glaaxy/cosmic-theme patterns for gear? I liked that part of DCUO and kinda want to see on XIV gear.

Plus comapredto that, Domino mask options would seem like a reasonable addition and its not like that would clash with the aesthetic (hell it would look good on ROG/NIN)

I don't think it would be a thing. In a game that has cars, yokai, makai armor, Dragon Quest, and a giant spaceship that crashed from Nier Automata's origins, I would say that a Marvel crossover isn't that odd.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

The things you asked for, which came from a hyper specific mmo which we both came from, will not ever be seen in ffxiv. Hence why I told you to go back.

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There is a lot in this game that can be filed under "will not ever be seen in ffxiv" and yet is, so I'm not touching that. I'll try to appreciate the guidance you've tried giving me on where I can take myself and my optimism for the absolutely impossible.

On a side note, after combing back through some comments, I will say I agree on not wanting to have Disney dip its toe into XIV in anyway. However, with how XIV has already been defiled a number of times with crossovers, would a MHA crossover be better than the Avengers? Though if I could detract further, I'd really prefer something from Kamen Rider.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Domino mask options would seem like a reasonable addition and its not like that would clash with the aesthetic (hell it would look good on ROG/NIN)

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Domino masks are kind of in the game already though, worn with bandanas. There are several of them on the market board. And yea they would look good on rouge ninja.

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

There is a lot in this game that can be filed under "will not ever be seen in ffxiv" and yet is, so I'm not touching that. I'll try to appreciate the guidance you've tried giving me on where I can take myself and my optimism for the absolutely impossible.

On a side note, after combing back through some comments, I will say I agree on not wanting to have Disney dip its toe into XIV in anyway. However, with how XIV has already been defiled a number of times with crossovers, would a MHA crossover than the Avengers? Though if I could detract further, I'd really prefer something from Kamen Rider.

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Yea yea, I'll leave you alone.

And lol @ crossovers defiling FFXIV. FFXV had a crossover with Assassin's Creed. Maybe Square just really likes crossovers.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Doesn't take away from my point tho. We also gotten Gundam in here too. Just saying, FF as a whole has been crazy anime for a LONG time. XIV is no different.

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The key difference is that we did not "get Gundam". We got a unique-to-FFXIV giant robot paying tribute to Gundam. A tribute is not a crossover.

I would much sooner see an Eorzea-specific superhero parody than a direct insertion of highly recognisable pop-culture icons into the game.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Plus compared to that, Domino mask options would seem like a reasonable addition and its not like that would clash with the aesthetic (hell it would look good on ROG/NIN)

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Domino masks are kind of in the game already though, worn with bandanas. There are several of them on the market board. And yea they would look good on rouge ninja.

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What you actually want is the Nighthawk Visor from Toto-Rak, which is much easier to acquire now that we have the guaranteed end-of-dungeon gear drops.

Also the eternally-overstocked Legionary Visor on the marketboard, which is a reddish colour.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

What you actually want is the Nighthawk Visor from Toto-Rak, which is much easier to acquire now that we have the guaranteed end-of-dungeon gear drops.

Also the eternally-overstocked Legionary Visor on the marketboard, which is a reddish colour.

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Legionary Visor is the one I was referencing. I like it a lot but not having lenses in them makes them fall short. Another good one is the Caster Unicorn pvp head piece which actually does have the lenses.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The key difference is that we did not "get Gundam". We got a unique-to-FFXIV giant robot paying tribute to Gundam. A tribute is not a crossover.

I would much sooner see an Eorzea-specific superhero parody than a direct insertion of highly recognisable pop-culture icons into the game.

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I hate text because tone isn't read and text alone makes it seem like I'm being an ass. I just worded my reply wrong it seems. I just meant that alot of crossover ideas aren't that out of wack.. not really. XIV's lore and whatnot is pretty anime and wacky as it can get. Omega is a key example. I'm not saying I WANT a Fornite crossover mind you. But if they ever did one then with all the things we already have it wouldn't be that out of place. Not really I think.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

I hate text because tone isn't read and text alone makes it seem like I'm being an ass. I just worded my reply wrong it seems. I just meant that alot of crossover ideas aren't that out of wack.. not really. XIV's lore and whatnot is pretty anime and wacky as it can get. Omega is a key example. I'm not saying I WANT a Fornite crossover mind you. But if they ever did one then with all the things we already have it wouldn't be that out of place. Not really I think.

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For me, the out-of-placeness isn't about whether the technology matches what exists (or can be explained as plausible) within the game world. It is the inherent nature of it being a crossover - seeing a thing and recognising it as belonging to another franchise outside of FFXIV. They look out of place because they specifically, recognisably belong to another story.

I love Marvel, I love FFXIV, I don't want Marvel in FFXIV o-o

There really doesn't need to be a crossover just because Square Enix made it.

I know that the Nier raids set a precedent for shoehorning any old thing into this game no matter how little sense it makes, but can we not make a habit out of it?

N o t h a n k s

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Not a good enough reason sadly. We have already goone away from anything that " fits ". That stop being a thing a long time ago. We literally have super giant robots in the game. We can legit do a crossover with mega man and it'll fit just due to that alone.

I just want kool items and moves at this point.

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Just because we already lost some of the battles does not mean that we have to lay down and take it all. (And before its taken the wrong way, I am not saying that its bad to wish for it. But that I really hope that such things stay out of the game. FF14 has an identity crisis already by getting so much from other FF games.)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Just because we already lost some of the battles does not mean that we have to lay down and take it all. (And before its taken the wrong way, I am not saying that its bad to wish for it. But that I really hope that such things stay out of the game. FF14 has an identity crisis already by getting so much from other FF games.)

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The game's identity is fine. It's people who have to get over their hang-up from things being originally from other games.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I know that the Nier raids set a precedent for shoehorning any old thing into this game no matter how little sense it makes,

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Yokai Watch did it first.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Yea yea, I'll leave you alone.

And lol @ crossovers defiling FFXIV. FFXV had a crossover with Assassin's Creed. Maybe Square just really likes crossovers.

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Not to mention the GARO/XIV collab

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

Legionary Visor is the one I was referencing. I like it a lot but not having lenses in them makes them fall short. Another good one is the Caster Unicorn pvp head piece which actually does have the lenses.

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I have that piece and ironically I omit the mask part. But I wanted to point out that the Last Unicorn gear is an Aiming set, not Casting

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

Not a good enough reason sadly. We have already goone away from anything that " fits ". That stop being a thing a long time ago. We literally have super giant robots in the game. We can legit do a crossover with mega man and it'll fit just due to that alone.

I just want kool items and moves at this point.

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I'm sorry but your reasoning for justifying this isn't good enough either. With your logic it's ok for final fantasy to do a resident evil collab because Zenos rose from the dead therefore he is a zombie. You can literally make any excuse to justify something. That doesn't make it right.

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Yokai Watch did it first.

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Yokai gets a pass because it's just silly "seasonal" side-content that doesn't matter anyway and only offers cosmetics.

The Nier raids make up a chunk of actual serious content; they are our 24-man raids for the 5.x era.

I'm having a hard enough time justifying the Yorha raids in my head. I can't imagine Marvel superheroes running around the Source. Or the First. Or wherever they'd decide to stick them.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I'm having a hard enough time justifying the Yorha raids in my head. I can't imagine Marvel superheroes running around the Source. Or the First. Or wherever they'd decide to stick them.

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They do not have to be canon.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

The game's identity is fine. It's people who have to get over their hang-up from things being originally from other games.

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Seeing how many people are against such an crossever than for it I doubt that its just a few of us being hang-up. Maybe we just dont want the game to used as a plattform to advertise other games? Just look at the Nier raid. This is nothing more than a huge advertisment of the nier games and that with content that normally is used to flesh out the world. Its fine if you dont care about this but others might not like it, me included.

There is nothing wrong with paying tribute to certain things, but outright just putting that stuff into the game? Thats just selling it out.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

They do not have to be canon.

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Then they could simply just give us our own version of a superhero costume (maybe with a cute side quest where some kids drew it for us because we are a hero in their minds and some NPC crafted them). See with that way they pay a tribute to it without just selling it out. Maybe even get us a shield designed around the FF style and thus we are Captain Eorzea or something.

(Throw in some funny sentences in the descriptions for it and there you have your hints at the other franchise without the need to copy it)

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Then they could simply just give us our own version of a superhero costume (maybe with a cute side quest where some kids drew it for us because we are a hero in their minds and some NPC crafted them). See with that way they pay a tribute to it without just selling it out. Maybe even get us a shield designed around the FF style and thus we are Captain Eorzea or something.

(Throw in some funny sentences in the descriptions for it and there you have your hints at the other franchise without the need to copy it)

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This honestly sounds like it could be a great All Saints' Wake event. The orphans of Gridania trying to create a Warrior of Light costume, not realizing until the end that they've gotten the actual Warrior of Light involved.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Seeing how many people are against such an crossever than for it I doubt that its just a few of us being hang-up. Maybe we just dont want the game to used as a plattform to advertise other games? Just look at the Nier raid. This is nothing more than a huge advertisment of the nier games and that with content that normally is used to flesh out the world. Its fine if you dont care about this but others might not like it, me included.

There is nothing wrong with paying tribute to certain things, but outright just putting that stuff into the game? Thats just selling it out.

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A huge advertisement to a 3 year old game? Or a huge advertisement to a game that's not even out yet, and wasn't even announced before the first Nier raid came out?
Does that mean Crystal Tower raid was also a huge advertisement to FF3? Ivalice raids a huge advertisement to XII Zodiac Age? Seems like 24 man raid has been used for "huge advertisement" purposes all along.

"Seeing how many people are against such a crossover"

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- How many people praise the raid and music?
- How many people want the glamour and minions?

Sounds like you're outnumbered by far. Welcome to having a pointless hang-up most people don't care about.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

A huge advertisement to a 3 year old game? Or a huge advertisement to a game that's not even out yet, and wasn't even announced before the first Nier raid came out?
Does that mean Crystal Tower raid was also a huge advertisement to FF3? Ivalice raids a huge advertisement to XII Zodiac Age? Seems like 24 man raid has been used for "huge advertisement" purposes all along.

"Seeing how many people are against such a crossover"

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- How many people praise the raid and music?
- How many people want the glamour and minions?

Sounds like you're outnumbered by far. Welcome to having a pointless hang-up most people don't care about.

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No matter how old it is, its still advertisement..and yes even crystal tower can count as advertisement but at least its for their own franchise. (And its much more hidden and better woven into the story than the nier raid) So yes I would love to have more FF14 original raid content in the game. I also complained about the ivalice raid when it came out because it felt much more fanservice..the same with the Omega fights. But at least it tried to fit into the story a bit. The nier raid is not from FF and right now does not fit at all..we barely even have much story right now.

So please dont try to spin it like I am fine with other such stuff if its mostly just copied. I am not..but Nier takes the cake in the raid department and Yokai was worse enough for the event department. I dont want more of that in this game.

You do know that I was talking about the like ratio in this very thread and not the unknown numbers of people in the game itself? Also how do you know how many of those people just get the music rolls because they just get them all but still dont like the crossover itself? I dont like Yokai but I am a collector so I did it. I dont like the Nier raid but I am still running it simply to upgrade my gear and if I get a music roll thats great. (I do also like some of the music in it but I am still against such crossovers in general...)

You yourself cant say how many people actually love the raid (and how many of those are then loving it because they love Nier) or are just doing it for other reasons. Running something does not mean that you love it. So lets not say that we are a minority that hang up on this. At least in this very thread we are not. (Which was my whole point)

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

A huge advertisement to a 3 year old game? Or a huge advertisement to a game that's not even out yet, and wasn't even announced before the first Nier raid came out?
Does that mean Crystal Tower raid was also a huge advertisement to FF3? Ivalice raids a huge advertisement to XII Zodiac Age? Seems like 24 man raid has been used for "huge advertisement" purposes all along.

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I feel like the difference lies in the boundaries of the crossover.

FFXIV is built around taking bits from other Final Fantasies and integrating them into its narrative. It takes elements of FFIII and weaves them into the world of Eorzea in a way that you don't need to know anything about FFIII to follow. It's inspired by another game but it's not actually the same, and it's primarily written to make sense in the context of FFXIV. Everything you need to know is explained within the FFXIV storyline and makes sense, even if you have no idea it's a crossover.

The Ivalice raids, while following within that "adapting FF" boundary, felt too reliant on their own game to me. I haven't played any of the Ivalice games but I frequently felt lost while playing the raids - too much talk about historical events which I assume were recapping the events of the original games, and therefore having played them would help to keep track of who and what they were talking about.

And NieR... aside of "moving the goalposts" to involve a game that isn't an FF game, it's not even trying to make sense within the world of FFXIV if you haven't played NieR. We're two-thirds through the series and we've barely spoken to the supposed main characters, let alone been given a reason to care about them. I can't see how the promised third-act twist is going to have any impact if I'm not invested in what has happened so far.


Edit to add: Crystal Tower feels like it was inspired by FFIII but it's not that important if you haven't played it. NieR feels like "go play our game so you can understand what the heck is going on here" and I resent that approach - it's put me off ever trying it, if anything. Whereas Crystal Tower did actually inspire me to go play the original FFIII because I liked the FFXIV version in its own right and I was interested to see where it originated. The other raids seem back-to-front in their approach by comparison - relying on people to have played the original games before they can appreciate the raid plot.

Disney would want so much money for this that SE would go bunkrupt.

have marvel characterr appearance as ffxiv races because they cross into different world

a ability could deters what races the characters of avenger are. for example wolverine could be Hrothgar

Captian marvel Miss marvel could be Elezen

Iron man could be the Iron Lalfell

black widow could Miqa ota basic her ability

the hulk could be Roegadyn

these facter must take in what effect the avenger by way their power could effect what race they are in ffxiv.