Keep the 14 servers down. Save money/energy SE.

So what your saying is destroy the future to live in the past, XIV is probably 10 years of profit for SE in the future, XI has maybe 2 more years of profitability left once SE irons out the issues with XIV which should be done no later then September. So for right now since BOTH XIV and XI servers use up maybe 10% of SE power consumption it is no big deal and will not hurt the people of Japan. Especially since the province where the servers are located is under 0 orders to conserve power.

i'll match opinion with opinion. since xi users have a free month and are not paying for it, se is working on the new game not the old outdated one, and they need the xiv servers up for opinions why not keep the xi servers down and put up the xiv servers. it will save energy and since nobody is paying for the servers this month and they are not working on it right now they could conserve and save.

Why do you guys keep feeding the trolls?

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i'll match opinion with opinion. since xi users have a free month and are not paying for it, se is working on the new game not the old outdated one, and they need the xiv servers up for opinions why not keep the xi servers down and put up the xiv servers. it will save energy and since nobody is paying for the servers this month and they are not working on it right now they could conserve and save.

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Good point. If this is still "Beta", then why not leave FFXI down so SE can aquire more information about their current title, FFXIV? It would make a lot more sense to keep FFXI down for a few more weeks, since it will also be free, and is outdated.

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Why do you guys keep feeding the trolls?

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Were bored and its fun

Just another child who couldn't deal with the dissappointment of the CE in any mature way. The game hurt him deeply as a naive fanboy, in ways he can't cope with like normal people. In the end his blind fanboyism screwed him over, and now this is the result. He rages and trolls, desperate for a revenge he isn't capable of exacting because in the end he's just weak. Can't put the game down. Can't get over the emo trauma.

For the very few in this thread who believe it is in the best intrest of se and Japan for them to keep the servers down longer...do your part and DO NOT log back in until you feel it has been a reasonable amount of time to do so. As for the rest of us, we will be logging in bright and early fri morning.

And as much as I bet you hate to admit it...I bet you guys who keep complaining that the servers are coming back up, will be logging in right along with us. so stfu now!

Who is your daddy and what does he do?

Ok OP I'll bite. FFXI is a MMO past its prime its only going to decay at this point, but most importantly FFXI has a stable player base.

FFXIV on the other hand is a new MMO with potential to be better and a dying player base. If SE shuts down FFXIV servers the game has a higher chance of dying completely. Then what would SE do from there? Make a new MMO? Considering the amount of time and money SE has already spent in keeping FFXIV alive the logical choice would be to let FFXI die instead.

Since this is only going to turn into a flame/troll thread. Mods please lock this thread.

No thanks, I wanna play this game as many others, so turn on the servers. If SE CAN turn them on, no matter the methods, then it's fine, it's their responsibility anyways...

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thats the thing, re-read your last sentence...its NOT profitable whatsoever right now (box sales are 1 time thing and not selling boatloads), like another guy said its pretty much in beta, so for quite some time we wont be paying for it, we are pretty much waiting on some major changes to the game, like large combat changes. why not keep the servers off, save some money and electricity and come back on when at minimal the big portion of the combat stuff is done (its going to be weird having stuff suddenly play differently all of a sudden anyways)

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I do not usually do this, especially with troll posts but I cannot resist. I am going to use over-used phrases just for this.

"Cool story bro!"

or... wait for it.... WAIT FOR IT!

"Don't tase me bro!"

Both phrases are applicable. Carry on.

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For the very few in this thread who believe it is in the best intrest of se and Japan for them to keep the servers down longer...do your part and DO NOT log back in until you feel it has been a reasonable amount of time to do so. As for the rest of us, we will be logging in bright and early fri morning.

And as much as I bet you hate to admit it...I bet you guys who keep complaining that the servers are coming back up, will be logging in right along with us. so stfu now!

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Your username is not misleading, and I am terrified. SheBitez...for JUSTICE.

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pretty much a great example of a childish response, no good reasoning here. They only will keep the game running because people like you would throw a fit and stop playing if they kept it down very long, like you pay to play the game or something.

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So me saying its THEIR decision is a childish response with NO reasoning? lmao ok very logical statement by you indeed.

edit: Also YOU know me so well that YOU know for a fact I would throw a fit? lmao
Stick around some more and you might catch a glimpse of how I am.

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i'll match opinion with opinion. since xi users have a free month and are not paying for it, se is working on the new game not the old outdated one, and they need the xiv servers up for opinions why not keep the xi servers down and put up the xiv servers. it will save energy and since nobody is paying for the servers this month and they are not working on it right now they could conserve and save.

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except after that free month, we start paying again, 14 people wont be paying for a long time...so where does what you said make any sense? FFXI will be around for a while longer making money, 14 right now has been a disaster and the chances of it being anywhere close to as profitable as FFXI (or even going as long) is much less. Today MMO players dont give games much of a chance, we already see this with 14, its mostly dead and it F2P.

FFXI at launch didnt have much more then 14 does now, things like standards have changed and there is PLENTY of MMOs people can play now or even look forward to, so even with a good launch, the chances of the game lasting and keeping as many subs compared to back then is nothing near it.

there isnt much keeping 14 afloat right now other then the name and the promise of a better future. Im still holding out it will become my next big MMO to spend years on with my RL friends, but it wont be that way for quite a while and SE might want it to last 10 years and have a good amount of subs, but right now its looking bleak, unless they make the game awesome in a short time and time the ps3 release just right, the games gonna sink and they will have nothing.

again servers arent lite on power usage, it only makes sense they take up a large part of the power use, so keeping down the free, beta state game (or even both, though FFXI will eventually go back to making money) can only help with power saving and money. Right now its up for good graces to keep people around. You dont need facts for the obvious to make any sense (aka: keeping FFXIV running =/= making money or save power)

again if people are willing to leave the game because they keep the (atm) non money making game up, then the game is screwed already. Knowing what going on you would expect a bit more sympathy from players that know they are not helping them make money right now. If anything, the biggest portion of what they will have for subs will be the loyal people who would wait on the game, the people like me watching as it changes, and the new crowd from the "re-release" when the ps3 version is out, not the people who would leave in a fit of rage from some extra down time.

Bad post if u continue chuck norris will...
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except after that free month, we start paying again, 14 people wont be paying for a long time...so where does what you said make any sense? FFXI will be around for a while longer making money, 14 right now has been a disaster and the chances of it being anywhere close to as profitable as FFXI (or even going as long) is much less. Today MMO players dont give games much of a chance, we already see this with 14, its mostly dead and it F2P.

FFXI at launch didnt have much more then 14 does now, things like standards have changed and there is PLENTY of MMOs people can play now or even look forward to, so even with a good launch, the chances of the game lasting and keeping as many subs compared to back then is nothing near it.

there isnt much keeping 14 afloat right now other then the name and the promise of a better future. Im still holding out it will become my next big MMO to spend years on with my RL friends, but it wont be that way for quite a while and SE might want it to last 10 years and have a good amount of subs, but right now its looking bleak, unless they make the game awesome in a short time and time the ps3 release just right, the games gonna sink and they will have nothing.

again servers arent lite on power usage, it only makes sense they take up a large part of the power use, so keeping down the free, beta state game (or even both, though FFXI will eventually go back to making money) can only help with power saving and money. Right now its up for good graces to keep people around. You dont need facts for the obvious to make any sense (aka: keeping FFXIV running =/= making money or save power)

again if people are willing to leave the game because they keep the (atm) non money making game up, then the game is screwed already. Knowing what going on you would expect a bit more sympathy from players that know they are not helping them make money right now. If anything, the biggest portion of what they will have for subs will be the loyal people who would wait on the game, the people like me watching as it changes, and the new crowd from the "re-release" when the ps3 version is out, not the people who would leave in a fit of rage from some extra down time.

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FACTS! GIVE THEM OR SHUT THE FUCK UP! I've asked TWICE now, and I won't ask again. Give us facts, or stop posting. Your walls of text are meaningless without proof to back them up. So DO IT OR GET OUT!

I just don't get it.

SE made this choice. The choice is made. This post shouldn't have ever been in the first place. If you are going to argue with anyone that the servers should not be brought online yet, email SE.

Also, Please PLEASE please! Spread the word to those that do not know. Having the servers down/offline has no impact whatsoever on patch progress. NONE. Please realize this.

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except after that free month, we start paying again, 14 people wont be paying for a long time...so where does what you said make any sense? FFXI will be around for a while longer making money, 14 right now has been a disaster and the chances of it being anywhere close to as profitable as FFXI (or even going as long) is much less. Today MMO players dont give games much of a chance, we already see this with 14, its mostly dead and it F2P.

FFXI at launch didnt have much more then 14 does now, things like standards have changed and there is PLENTY of MMOs people can play now or even look forward to, so even with a good launch, the chances of the game lasting and keeping as many subs compared to back then is nothing near it.

there isnt much keeping 14 afloat right now other then the name and the promise of a better future. Im still holding out it will become my next big MMO to spend years on with my RL friends, but it wont be that way for quite a while and SE might want it to last 10 years and have a good amount of subs, but right now its looking bleak, unless they make the game awesome in a short time and time the ps3 release just right, the games gonna sink and they will have nothing.

again servers arent lite on power usage, it only makes sense they take up a large part of the power use, so keeping down the free, beta state game (or even both, though FFXI will eventually go back to making money) can only help with power saving and money. Right now its up for good graces to keep people around. You dont need facts for the obvious to make any sense (aka: keeping FFXIV running =/= making money or save power)

again if people are willing to leave the game because they keep the (atm) non money making game up, then the game is screwed already. Knowing what going on you would expect a bit more sympathy from players that know they are not helping them make money right now. If anything, the biggest portion of what they will have for subs will be the loyal people who would wait on the game, the people like me watching as it changes, and the new crowd from the "re-release" when the ps3 version is out, not the people who would leave in a fit of rage from some extra down time.

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cool story bro.

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except after that free month, we start paying again, 14 people wont be paying for a long time...so where does what you said make any sense? FFXI will be around for a while longer making money, 14 right now has been a disaster and the chances of it being anywhere close to as profitable as FFXI (or even going as long) is much less. Today MMO players dont give games much of a chance, we already see this with 14, its mostly dead and it F2P.

FFXI at launch didnt have much more then 14 does now, things like standards have changed and there is PLENTY of MMOs people can play now or even look forward to, so even with a good launch, the chances of the game lasting and keeping as many subs compared to back then is nothing near it.

there isnt much keeping 14 afloat right now other then the name and the promise of a better future. Im still holding out it will become my next big MMO to spend years on with my RL friends, but it wont be that way for quite a while and SE might want it to last 10 years and have a good amount of subs, but right now its looking bleak, unless they make the game awesome in a short time and time the ps3 release just right, the games gonna sink and they will have nothing.

again servers arent lite on power usage, it only makes sense they take up a large part of the power use, so keeping down the free, beta state game (or even both, though FFXI will eventually go back to making money) can only help with power saving and money. Right now its up for good graces to keep people around. You dont need facts for the obvious to make any sense (aka: keeping FFXIV running =/= making money or save power)

again if people are willing to leave the game because they keep the (atm) non money making game up, then the game is screwed already. Knowing what going on you would expect a bit more sympathy from players that know they are not helping them make money right now. If anything, the biggest portion of what they will have for subs will be the loyal people who would wait on the game, the people like me watching as it changes, and the new crowd from the "re-release" when the ps3 version is out, not the people who would leave in a fit of rage from some extra down time.

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All I see here is BLA...BLA BLA BLA BLA

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except after that free month, we start paying again, 14 people wont be paying for a long time...so where does what you said make any sense? FFXI will be around for a while longer making money, 14 right now has been a disaster and the chances of it being anywhere close to as profitable as FFXI (or even going as long) is much less. Today MMO players dont give games much of a chance, we already see this with 14, its mostly dead and it F2P.

FFXI at launch didnt have much more then 14 does now, things like standards have changed and there is PLENTY of MMOs people can play now or even look forward to, so even with a good launch, the chances of the game lasting and keeping as many subs compared to back then is nothing near it.

there isnt much keeping 14 afloat right now other then the name and the promise of a better future. Im still holding out it will become my next big MMO to spend years on with my RL friends, but it wont be that way for quite a while and SE might want it to last 10 years and have a good amount of subs, but right now its looking bleak, unless they make the game awesome in a short time and time the ps3 release just right, the games gonna sink and they will have nothing.

again servers arent lite on power usage, it only makes sense they take up a large part of the power use, so keeping down the free, beta state game (or even both, though FFXI will eventually go back to making money) can only help with power saving and money. Right now its up for good graces to keep people around. You dont need facts for the obvious to make any sense (aka: keeping FFXIV running =/= making money or save power)

again if people are willing to leave the game because they keep the (atm) non money making game up, then the game is screwed already. Knowing what going on you would expect a bit more sympathy from players that know they are not helping them make money right now. If anything, the biggest portion of what they will have for subs will be the loyal people who would wait on the game, the people like me watching as it changes, and the new crowd from the "re-release" when the ps3 version is out, not the people who would leave in a fit of rage from some extra down time.

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LOOOOOOOOOOL

/signed

I don't think they'll do it, but I'd be fine if they did.

While I don't have extreme passionate views on either end of the spectrum, an interesting compromise (for this game) would be partial weeks? Maybe 3 days a week? Give them a chance to continue forward with changes and give us a little time each week to experience the changes, comment on them, see what we think? Just for a few more weeks?

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While I don't have extreme passionate views on either end of the spectrum, an interesting compromise (for this game) would be partial weeks? Maybe 3 days a week? Give them a chance to continue forward with changes and give us a little time each week to experience the changes, comment on them, see what we think? Just for a few more weeks?

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i would be fine with that idea if they were still being told to conserve energy and the rolling blackouts were in the area of the hq. as a business they just want to get back to work as soon as possible because they are doing all they can to improve this game to try and get the ps3 version released and get the paying members of xi bringing income in.

yes this is my first post. yes i'm very new to this game. just bought it on the 17th, then found out i couldn't even play, which was a bummer. but i got over it and am happily awaiting friday. don't need to be flamed for stating what is very obvious... but!

The thing that really has me confused about most of these posts is the fact you all think the final fantasy online games are the only games that SE makes. like this is their only source of income... dude they make so much money on so many other games and product sales it is not even funny. SE didn't start in online gaming. they have been around the block more then a few times. i really don't think that any of us have any idea what exactly they have on their plates. if they feel putting the game back online is the way to go then more power to them. if you don't like it, then by all means don't play. just my two cents.

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It might sound kind of mean for the people still playing that want it back up, but its not helping SE, especially with whats going on right now. They have to shut off AC and things just to keep the servers going, and FF14 is NOT bringing in any rev. like FFXI is/will (yes we get a free month) but XI players have been making them the money they need and pretty much funding 14 at this point.

Id much rather see them shut down a games servers that is only sucking away not only money, but energy that needs to be rationed at this point. Again its not to be mean, but there is little point when it makes them no cash, takes up electricity and so few people are playing right now.

Let them keep them down so and have them spend time working on updates, so you have something to come back to that new. SE just keep 14 off until things settle down. Everyone is in much more need of actual money (which everyone lost much of) and electricity that could be used elsewhere.

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If you want to help Square Enix to save money/energy first of all stop posting on a community's forum you (obviously) don't belong to. This will reduce load on the servers hosting this forum and also help to conserve power :)

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The thing that really has me confused about most of these posts is the fact you all think the final fantasy online games are the only games that SE makes. like this is their only source of income... dude they make so much money on so many other games and product sales it is not even funny. SE didn't start in online gaming. they have been around the block more then a few times. i really don't think that any of us have any idea what exactly they have on their plates. if they feel putting the game back online is the way to go then more power to them. if you don't like it, then by all means don't play. just my two cents.

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So true. FFXI fees are peanuts for SE compared with their offline game and publishing business.

You seriously have no clue how things work, sorry.

If they keep the servers offline now (while getting FFXI servers up) they can forget about the future of FFXIV. It will be over and done .... Since they are not going to give up on this game anytime soon they have to get the servers up as soon as possible.

Also ... I do not get this "keep the servers down, so you can work on updates" stuff I have been seeing the last few days. It is not like the developers are going to sit on bikes to cycle their asses off to generate enough energy for the servers. What has the servers being up or down to do with upcoming updates? If the servers are offline you lose more members and important feedback from your playerbase. So please think before you post.

It is fine if they have to keep the servers offline because of the current energy problems, but if they get FFXI up they have to get FFXIV up too, otherwise they will run into trouble. It is really as simple as that.

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yes this is my first post. yes i'm very new to this game. just bought it on the 17th, then found out i couldn't even play, which was a bummer. but i got over it and am happily awaiting friday. don't need to be flamed for stating what is very obvious... but!

The thing that really has me confused about most of these posts is the fact you all think the final fantasy online games are the only games that SE makes. like this is their only source of income... dude they make so much money on so many other games and product sales it is not even funny. SE didn't start in online gaming. they have been around the block more then a few times. i really don't think that any of us have any idea what exactly they have on their plates. if they feel putting the game back online is the way to go then more power to them. if you don't like it, then by all means don't play. just my two cents.

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Welcome, we need more people like you to balance this forum a bit :D I hope you enjoy the game!

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Welcome, we need more people like you to balance this forum a bit :D I hope you enjoy the game!

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Thanks, I'm so excited to get started, can't wait until friday... I want to play now! XD Why do you think I'm here on the forums point out the obvious =/

oh, come on guys. The OP is right. Profit is what makes customers happy and improves company reputation. Everyone knows this. On that basis, SE should keep the FFXIV servers off.

The OP also tells us that SE should keep the servers off so they can work on updates. We like updates don't we? We all know that devs can't work on updates while servers are on, so it's good if they're off.

Oh please, please, please keep the servers off so we can enjoy the game! [/mockery]


On a more serious note, if SE were to keep the servers off when they didn't need to I would walk away from this game and would not look back. That would just show that SE does not care about the players, and I'm sure they do. You know it's time to give up on an MMO when the company stops caring about the players.

Good job getting the servers back on within a reasonable timescale SE. 'tis much appreciated.

You don't get the point. It's exactly like Evenstar said, leaving XIV off now while XI goes back online is the worst thing they can do. It would simply mean FFXIV is out of their priority (because no income from it (yet)) and that they abandoned the remaining playerbase. Good luck to your company's next game after doing something like that, it would a deathblow.

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If the servers are offline you lose more members and important feedback from your playerbase. So please think before you post.

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If you want to help Square Enix to save money/energy first of all stop posting on a community's forum you (obviously) don't belong to. This will reduce load on the servers hosting this forum and also help to conserve power :)


So true. FFXI fees are peanuts for SE compared with their offline game and publishing business.

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well besides that being completely stupid, do you know how much money FFXI has brought them over the years compared to ANY game they have made offline? seriously i wanna see this hilarious fact that FFXI makes them so little....really...go on.

They made potato dollars and peanut cents with FFXI.

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You don't get the point. It's exactly like Evenstar said, leaving XIV off now while XI goes back online is the worst thing they can do. It would simply mean FFXIV is out of their priority (because no income from it (yet)) and that they abandoned the remaining playerbase. Good luck to your company's next game after doing something like that, it would a deathblow.

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Exactly.

Since the release of the Collectors Edition Square Enix did nothing but try to make this game work. Keeping the servers offline at this moment will totally destroy all the effort they put into this game since September last year. They will not only lose FFXIV players, but those same players will think twice before buying a Square Enix product in the future. I know I will ....

It is not about me being able to play the game or not ... It is about how a certain company acts towards his customers. Yes, I am not paying right now, but if they want to make FFXIV work they need me to pay in a few months when they re-release the game. So, as a possible future customer of FFXIV they have to keep me interested into this game. If they keep the servers offline it will only show that they do not care enough about FFXIV, so why would I stick around?

Square Enix is a company, not a charity. They are not brining the servers up because they love us so much (or because my mother can cook so well). It is a business decision, nothing else. They have to keep their current paying FFXI customers and their future FFXIV subscribers. Thats all, it is really no rocket science or something.

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If you want to help Square Enix to save money/energy first of all stop posting on a community's forum you (obviously) don't belong to. This will reduce load on the servers hosting this forum and also help to conserve power :)



So true. FFXI fees are peanuts for SE compared with their offline game and publishing business.

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If you want to help SE, maybe you should stop posting. Talking about things that you obviously have no understanding of is more of a waste of bandwidth than anything else. So help conserve power :)

Also FFXI is still profitable and has been for a long time.

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well besides that being completely stupid, do you know how much money FFXI has brought them over the years compared to ANY game they have made offline? seriously i wanna see this hilarious fact that FFXI makes them so little....really...go on.

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I am going to look for the right documents in a bit, but I can promise you that FFXI is less than 10% of their total profit ...

You know they made more than 200 million USD PROFIT on FFXIII only? Yes, FFXII, the game that was being whined about everywhere ... So, please calculate for me how many players need to be playing FFXI for how long to make the same amount of PROFIT (so after all costs for server maintenance, developing and so on ...)

Square Enix was around before FFXI ... (well not as Square Enix, but still). It is not like FFXI is their only game that made them profit man ... Final Fantasy series in general, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, all the games they got from working with Eidos ... Stop acting like Square Enix is only around because of FFXI and FFXIV.

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I actually do...It's just that you guys act like SE's main earnings are from FFXI (and some even seem to think its their only game) and was referred to Lindariel's post (which you probably didn't read). Calling it "peanuts" was obviously exaggerated. I also know about XI being still profitable, i'm playing it and pay 2 accounts for years.

i have posted this suggestion on another similar thread..

Zanfire if you care so much, please do petition to shutdown all pachinko, games centre, and shops at akibahara. i mean anime in time of crisis really?

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On a more serious note, if SE were to keep the servers off when they didn't need to I would walk away from this game and would not look back. That would just show that SE does not care about the players, and I'm sure they do. You know it's time to give up on an MMO when the company stops caring about the players.

Good job getting the servers back on within a reasonable timescale SE. 'tis much appreciated.

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/Agreed If they kept the servers down for no reason there would be absolutly no point to look forward to getting them back up because at that point it probably wouldn't happen.