Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

This isn't new they've been doing it for quite some time. I would have less of an issue with many of their items (emotes, outfits etc) if they were account wide but pricing on mounts is pretty high in my view even though many are in fact account wide.

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They've been offering us a seasonal mount in game for many events, with an option to buy it later if you had missed the event and like the item.
This time instead of introducing an unrelated mount they introduce a seasonally appropriate mount, and don't put it in to the seasonal event at all.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

We really don't need this post every time the mogstation gets an update. Either buy it or don't, gameplay won't change if you have this mount or don't.

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I agree with this most of the time, this particular case is pretty egregious.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

We have to be careful with these seemingly "innocent/harmless" micro transactions, which are usually cosmetics. Cash Shop will over time incentivize the developers to dull the base game in order to drive Cash Shop sales.

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This is a slippery slope fallacy. The Mogstation has been around for six years and nothing has changed. At best, you could argue they got a bit too greedy with the emotes but it still didn't impact the actual meat that is our patch cycles.

Would this be okay if it was released in the summer? I don’t really get the uproar over the timing...we are getting a full glam and a half as well as the usual trimmings of furniture and stuff. Even if someone doesn’t like the glam, I wouldn’t say the rewards are lacking. Have we had an event in the past that wasn’t a collab that had glam and furniture and a mount? Genuine question as my only frame of reference is the last two years, and my memory is spotty at best.

In ages past, there was once an Eorzea without a Mogstation. In fact, Fantasias were given to you as a reward. Yet the citizens and adventurers cried to their gods claiming they would pay 5, 10, 15, 20 dollars to be able to buy stuff like fantasia and such. There were those that resisted this cry and were against those wanting this false god. This mog station. Unfortunately they were outnumber and the few that resisted were squashed like the Ala Mhigan's and thus ushering an era of the mog station in all its infinite glory. Gone are the times you obtain items with sweat and blood.

Seriously, I am bored at work. However people asked for a mog station way back and SE delivered. It is what it is. I bought a handful of emotes with some extra money I had but I do wish they made them account-wide but alas, its a business and they have to maximize profits.

I don't particularly like the mogstation items on multiple levels. It's less returning items for events, the prices are high (imo) and this stuff eats up space on our devices regardless of our access to it. What's worse is the feeling of being left out without buying into it. ex: Everyone using their /toast emotes when you can't join in without forking over $7. In particular this time though is the absolutely poor timing of releasing cash shop items during current issues. The marketing dept really knows how to read the room.

I wish instead of doing useless mounts they would actually gave us A PROPER HIGH HEELS. :x

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I don't particularly like the mogstation items on multiple levels. It's less returning items for events, the prices are high (imo) and this stuff eats up space on our devices regardless of our access to it. What's worse is the feeling of being left out without buying into it. ex: Everyone using their /toast emotes when you can't join in without forking over $7. In particular this time though is the absolutely poor timing of releasing cash shop items during current issues. The marketing dept really knows how to read the room.

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Juts use the slap emote on everyone who uses it, there is no need to be a mindless sheep and copy what others are doing.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

Juts use the slap emote on everyone who uses it, there is no need to be a mindless sheep and copy what others are doing.

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Doing the Asmongold /spit?

Fortunately for them, there aren't like any relevant hub zones where you can actually show off a mount. Currently.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

This is a slippery slope fallacy. The Mogstation has been around for six years and nothing has changed. At best, you could argue they got a bit too greedy with the emotes but it still didn't impact the actual meat that is our patch cycles.

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Even if it is a slippery slope fallacy, there is always the risk that it won't be at some point in the future.

This new Mog Station item is a good example. They would have perhaps offered it in the event itself if there was no Cash Shop.

I think the accepted subscription cost for MMOs may be too low right now, which forces MMOs to invest more and more in Micro Transaction practices to ensure their profit. Problem is, price of MMO sub has stayed the same for a very long time while people seem not get ready to pay more for sub, despite inflation.

If it is a slippery slope fallacy right now, I think it won't be in future.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

Juts use the slap emote on everyone who uses it, there is no need to be a mindless sheep and copy what others are doing.

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The one problem that we dont know who bought it and who gained it from event.
Also we dont even have mount collection in game and SE waiting our money to invest them into FF7 ep2.

I'm not comfortable with SE adding this into the mog shop. Even if it's not technically a seasonal event, it certainly does feel like it. It would be the same as Halloween themed mount like pumpkin with bats being sold as soon as the Halloween event starts or a snowman for Xmas.

Honestly I don't get why the prices in mog shop are so high but I get enough with base sub price that I usually don't mind the mog shop additions but this does feel very odd.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

The one problem that we dont know who bought it and who gained it from event.
Also we dont even have mount collection in game and SE waiting our money to invest them into FF7 ep2.

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Just lodestone stalk a player, see if they have any cash shop mounts, and do it anyway.




No forum guidelines, I'm not promoting anything it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

Even if it is a slippery slope fallacy, there is always the risk that it won't be at some point in the future.

This new Mog Station item is a good example. They would have perhaps offered it in the event itself if there was no Cash Shop.

I think the accepted subscription cost for MMOs may be too low right now, which forces MMOs to invest more and more in Micro Transaction practices to ensure their profit. Problem is, price of MMO sub has stayed the same for a very long time while people seem not get ready to pay more for sub, despite inflation.

If it is a slippery slope fallacy right now, I think it won't be in future.

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All I have to say is, you realize that very little of the profit of 14 goes back into 14 and the majority of it goes into other projects for SE. they aren't hurting for money which would be what you are claiming.

If I remember rightly, only a tiny amount of the money from subs goes back into XIV. With SE taking the lion's share for other projects like FF15 and FF7R (which let's be honest, need to be paid for SOMEHOW). The cash shop however, unless Yoshi is telling porkies, goes exclusively back to XIV. Given SE aren't going to give XIV more money from subs, I say keep the cash shop. Yes, there's been a few misses and few "Are you kidding?" moments, but generally I think the cash shop is a good thing. I feel like Shadowbringers has been an amazing expansion that clearly wasn't done on the cheap (or if it was, dang did they hide it well), and a large portion of that is very likely due to the cash shop.

It's less about resources and more about profit margin. How much they can squeeze from the playerbase with minimal content/effort before the players get fed up and leave in droves. Every business does it eventually.

I know it's not really the topic at hand but I'd really just prefer SE to stack seasonal events instead of replacing them, like I was around at the beginning and I remember having a lot of fun doing the halloween event to get special stuff, and goofing around in the ghost costume during the HM primals. It'd be way better if every Halloween came with the year before's event as well, so instead of just getting one short not-super worth it seasonal event you'll get every single Halloween so you can play through them all or do ones you missed, not only does it extend the content's shelf life but it allows newer players to have those fun first times they'll never get now.

There's not even a really good reason not to do it this way, more content is better for every player and it allows people to get things they missed out on once a year instead of being forced to cough up to the Mogstation if they want to play spooky ghost dress up with their friends.

Ok. If they had never added the Spriggan mount to the Mogstation, and you never knew it even existed, would you feel cheated by this seasonal event?

Then consider that the mount is an additional, optional, glamour peice. Just like everything else in the store.
Did you freak out when they added the whale? Or the bike?

Then question why you're making a big deal about this and even going to such lengths as harassing players who use it.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Honestly I don't get why the prices in mog shop are so high but I get enough with base sub price that I usually don't mind the mog shop additions but this does feel very odd.

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The prices are so high because SE knows people will pay them.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Did you freak out when they added the whale? Or the bike?

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Didn't really care about the whale (especially not now since obtaining the Regalia), but I did freak out over the bike...but not in a negative way. It was more of a "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" moment. I don't think I've ever bought a store mount so fast in my life. I still use that bike more than any other mount I have.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

Even if it is a slippery slope fallacy, there is always the risk that it won't be at some point in the future.

This new Mog Station item is a good example. They would have perhaps offered it in the event itself if there was no Cash Shop.

I think the accepted subscription cost for MMOs may be too low right now, which forces MMOs to invest more and more in Micro Transaction practices to ensure their profit. Problem is, price of MMO sub has stayed the same for a very long time while people seem not get ready to pay more for sub, despite inflation.

If it is a slippery slope fallacy right now, I think it won't be in future.

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If there is evidence that the slope is there or likely and we're heading in the direction of SE doing some big no-no's, then reasonable for us to be calling them out on it and forming an argument against their decisions for it and what it is leading to. Else we're jumping at shadows and crying wolf. And we can give the devs the benefit of the doubt that they're not EA until they show signs of well...being like EA.

But I've been here since BETA and was around when the cash shop was announced and I know there was the worry back then we'd get some of the bad practices other companies have done when adding micro-transactions to their game (and there are plenty). And found those concerns were for nought when their practices were found to be mild and not player exploitative or to negatively impact or to enhance any person's experience of playing the game but simply aesthetics. The cash shop has been a thing for 6 and a half years now? I've not seen anything controversial done with it, sure things for people to complain about, such as price or preferring an item to have been acquirable in game. So I'm not worried about it being an issue.

However, regarding pricing, I would agree they can be steep in places for what you get.

I don't personally mind things being added to the mogstation, but the thematic used for the mount makes me wish it was an event one. Either that or have the Spriggan mount being the in-game scrips turn in, since it's an in-season patch and have the Sheep be Mog Station.

Same for the dances vs /bread, /read and /insist. The emotes that go to the mogstation in the last patches have been much superior than the ones we obtain ingame. While not a deal breaker it's a little annoying.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

All I have to say is, you realize that very little of the profit of 14 goes back into 14 and the majority of it goes into other projects for SE. they aren't hurting for money which would be what you are claiming.

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But that's part of it. FFXIV wouldn't exist without SE and its size as a studio. It wouldn't exist on its own so it only makes sense that its money goes to SE and perhaps other projects. They aren't hurting for money but they have to keep a certain profit margin to justify its existence, a profit margin that won't be satisfied with sub cost only (in the future) as inflation continuous.

Damn, that sucks. I was just thinking that I wanted more spriggan related stuff in game as they're probably my favourite monster/creature design in 14. And after seeing Meoni's video on it, it's a gorgeous mount with tons of personality and detail. I'd love to have it.. but there's no way I'm paying anywhere near that price for it. I actually quite like one of the new dances as well but, again, it's just not worth the stupid price they're asking for it.

Oh well, maybe when there's a big sale. Oh wait, they don't do big sales anymore.

Why is this a big deal that it's there? I never seen this mount in the game before.. so to me it's just like all the mounts the mogstore team - who is completely different team then the content team mind you- So what's the big deal? Does the event tease this mount or something? Why are people freaking out over this?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Ok. If they had never added the Spriggan mount to the Mogstation, and you never knew it even existed, would you feel cheated by this seasonal event?

Then consider that the mount is an additional, optional, glamour peice. Just like everything else in the store.
Did you freak out when they added the whale? Or the bike?

Then question why you're making a big deal about this and even going to such lengths as harassing players who use it.

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Some people can't be happy that people with money to burn are pandered to.

And they overlook all that they are given in game overall. We got a new mogstation mount this patch, we got a new in game mount. Granted you gotta work for the one in game but hey- it's there.

This is not a case of releasing 5 mogstation mounts for 1 in game or none.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Why is this a big deal that it's there? I never seen this mount in the game before.. so to me it's just like all the mounts the mogstore team - who is completely different team then the content team mind you- So what's the big deal? Does the even tease this mount or something? Why are people freaking out over this?

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I think it is because the mount is easter themed so people think it should be part of the event. If I am inferring this correctly. I didn't read anything but the last page.

"pay for additional retainers"
That's weird, i cannot remember being forced by SE to pay for any extra retainer. Same for the OPTIONAL mounts (which are just a few compared to all the ones already available for us to obtain for free)

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think it is because the mount is easter themed so people think it should be part of the event. If I am inferring this correctly. I didn't read anything but the last page.

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If that's the case then I dunno. The store team most likely made this mount just for that if thats the case. People need to remember the team behind the store doesn't need to listen to YP. YP has no control over that dept. This is nothing new from what I'm seeing. Meanwhile, those dances go with the beat of the song - Zoo- by hocus pocus. Listen to it while using the dance. It fits so much lol.

Seasonal Event Items are typically 1-shot. You have your chance to get it in game for free if you were there for the event.
Most games once its over, its over, and you missed your chance if you wernt there. I think thats fair enough even if it sucks and you want it. But in this game while sometimes its expensive, you have a chance to get it in a cash shop after a time. Id say thats pretty generous.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

If that's the case then I dunno. The store team most likely made this mount just for that if thats the case. People need to remember the team behind the store doesn't need to listen to YP. YP has no control over that dept. This is nothing new from what I'm seeing. Meanwhile, those dances go with the beat of the song - Zoo- by hocus pocus. Listen to it while using the dance. It fits so much lol.

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That, and even if I am inferring the complaints wrong, and this was a previous seasonal mount. They have been doing that for literally years, so I don't know why anyone would complain if that was the case either.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Seasonal Event Items are typically 1-shot. You have your chance to get it in game for free if you were there for the event.
Most games once its over, its over, and you missed your chance if you wernt there. I think thats fair enough even if it sucks and you want it. But in this game while sometimes its expensive, you have a chance to get it in a cash shop after a time. Id say thats pretty generous.

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At least it's not like ESO or something. SEASONAL LOOT BOXES.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

At least it's not like ESO or something. SEASONAL LOOT BOXES.

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Rofl, I think that would bother me more then them selling the items Wholesale after a period of time.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

If that's the case then I dunno. The store team most likely made this mount just for that if thats the case.

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I mean, its a rabbit mount being released around Easter time..when we usually have said rabbit involved in the Easter event. I'd be shocked if this wasn't made specifically for selling at this point in this point in the year lol

I think the timing is making people ehhhhh more than the mount itself. Were this put out in summer or winter the connection to the holiday would be less obvious.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Rofl, I think that would bother me more then them selling the items Wholesale after a period of time.

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Now here is a theory. What if the reason they don't have loot boxes is because they don't have enough items to fill it yet. So, give the game a couple more years, and maybe more funding to the mogstation team and we will get them!

Spriggans are rabbits? Since when?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Now here is a theory. What if the reason they don't have loot boxes is because they don't have enough items to fill it yet. So, give the game a couple more years, and maybe more funding to the mogstation team and we will get them!

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I highly doubt that, people dont like lootboxes to begin with, I think it would effect the game Negatively if they suddenly made Lootboxes and forced you to get items via a roulette, and have to keep paying for said Roulette. They have more then enough items to fill Lootboxes, but its smarter to just sell the items Wholesale. People get what they want, the statistics show what people like...they can make more, and maybe better quality...which would drive up the price.

But hey, give people want they want/Like, and they will pay for it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I highly doubt that, people dont like lootboxes to begin with, I think it would effect the game Negatively if they suddenly made Lootboxes and forced you to get items via a roulette, and have to keep paying for said Roulette. They have more then enough items to fill Lootboxes, but its smarter to just sell the items Wholesale. People get what they want, the statistics show what people like...they can make more, and maybe better quality...which would drive up the price.

But hey, give people want they want/Like, and they will pay for it.

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It was a joke. But seriously, they do not actually have enough items to fill a lootbox series for maximum profit. They do have enough mounts, but have been selling them directly for years. So. they would have to come up with new and unique mounts with maybe some "carrot on the stick" "bonus" current mounts. They also do not have enough trash to fill the lootboxes to promote continuous buying to get the "desirable" item. You wouldn't want to waste your whole shop on one single lootbox season, they should want to stretch out the desirable items they have throughout the year with bulk trash.

Speaking of ESO, since it is somewhat relevant to this. They actually do season events, and give a handful of things you can earn in game, but have limited themes items on sale for premium currency. With their PvP event earlier this year, they had weekly limited items. As in, it seemed you had one week to buy some items before they rotated to other season themed items the next week. On top of the already limited event duration. Pretty crazy.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

But...they're not? This is a slippery slope fallacy.

They're charging for vanity items and jump potions. Not taking things away from the game. If they started taking the mick and the balance was off on what they're adding to the shop, especially if they're taking content and features from the game and locking them behind another pay wall, then yes, I would have a problem.

But the odd vanity item and jump potions? Absolutely fine. SE have remained a consistent balance with what goes on the mogstation that I've never felt to be unreasonable and I don't feel they have ever abused it.

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Vanity is a part of the game. If you can see that then I dont know what to tell you. They have basically done everything but sell power at this point. Why do people have to wait for that to say something. You maybe fine with it but Im not. Its unreasonable to ask your customers to pay for a sub that may include storage and expansions and then bait them with "vanity" items in an ever growing cashshop. When I first started playing all that was in there was dye, change potions and last years seasonal events items. Now its like a f2p cashshop that would make some of them blush...hell even Fornite skins are cheaper lol.

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

"pay for additional retainers"
That's weird, i cannot remember being forced by SE to pay for any extra retainer. Same for the OPTIONAL mounts (which are just a few compared to all the ones already available for us to obtain for free)

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So i hope you are joking. If your not then I hope you at least realized that people like to have things or craft. Before the glamour dresser you needed retainers for your glamour. Are you just playing dumb? Surely you could have thought of this yourself. Just because you dont need more retainers doesnt mean everyone else doesnt. I wish people for once would just think about everyone in the game and not just themselves.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Seasonal Event Items are typically 1-shot. You have your chance to get it in game for free if you were there for the event.
Most games once its over, its over, and you missed your chance if you wernt there. I think thats fair enough even if it sucks and you want it. But in this game while sometimes its expensive, you have a chance to get it in a cash shop after a time. Id say thats pretty generous.

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Damn you guys sound like batter partners. Its generous that after we pay sub and expansions that they let us buy a mount with giving us a chance to get it in game. really? lol

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Why is this a big deal that it's there? I never seen this mount in the game before.. so to me it's just like all the mounts the mogstore team - who is completely different team then the content team mind you- So what's the big deal? Does the event tease this mount or something? Why are people freaking out over this?

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I wrote the post to highlight how event style items are going straight to cash-shop instead of being an event in the game. Its the same song we have been singing since SB came out and they really started stocking this cash-shop like its a F2p game.

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Originally Posted by Lathander81

I wrote the post to highlight how event style items are going straight to cash-shop instead of being an event in the game. Its the same song we have been singing since SB came out and they really started stocking this cash-shop like its a F2p game.

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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Go play archage, black dessert, and Tera before you say that. FFXIV is no where near those actual free to play games. Oh and no where near as bad as fallout 76 or ESO.