RMT p2. soon too will be locked

Well I must say thank you for a personal letter outside of the standard stock letter ^^ its much appreciated.

Dokf Skid on Figaro/Aegis is all I gotta say. If you started on Figaro I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Been around since CE release, started as a bot farming Hoverflys in Cassiopeia and upgraded to King of Children of the Corn Taru Levequest Bots. He's been banned a few times but comes back with the same name, on the same server, doing the same things.

You're telling me the GMs or Task Force can't watch people like Dokf and track their gil transactions, and see which characters are RMT? Don't just ban the source of the gil, ban the mules it's stored on. If you chop the tree at only what you can see (the trunk) you still need to pull up the roots to kill it!

RMT only exist of the population, more RMT = more people buying.

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Originally Posted by Jhanaka

Hello again.

I am terribly sorry my locking the thread upset so many people, that was not my intent. I closed the thread as I had provided a means to report the RMTs you have witnessed and did not realize that further debate was needed; I shall keep this in mind for further cases.

I will try to comment as I can on your points.

You mentioned you have placed a number of reports to the Special Task Force, and I wish I could offer more follow up on why you may still be seeing these people in game. The Special Task Force keeps their investigation means and agenda private so that counter measures cannot be developed; RMT company's adapt very quickly to investigation means so we always need to evolve and adapt our methods.

For your concerns over placing in game calls, we had opted to send in game messages to you thanking you for the reports. We will also submit any names, if included, to our Task Force for further review. While the GMs handle "Terms of Service Violations" there are just some issues, like RMT, that required a special department to be created. The GMs can investigate some general reports, but the bulk of the investigation needs to be done by our Task Force. The in game message we send is to stop us from interrupting your game play; sometimes you are busy with fights and the GM tells can cause you to get distracted and die.

I wish I could offer you a more "personal" reply and say "Yes, I'll get right on Banning those folks now!" but it is not that easy. As was mentioned, we want to ensure the proper actions are taken and "innocent" players are not unjustly punished. At the same time, we cannot reveal any action taken on accounts due to our Privacy Policy.

I will leave this thread open, but but if the Forum rules are violated, we can opt to close this thread at any time. In addition, we may not offer any further replies

Thank you for your understanding and continued support.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka

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Thank you for the reply :)
I personally think that one of the most important methods of eliminating RMT is by players not buying their gil or accounts in the first place. If they have no customers they have no market.

Also: Having a game community that actively discourages vs enables RMTing within, is essential to keeping RMT out of business. If you see fellow players talking about gil buying, discourage it. I don't mean attacking them or insulting them, ask them why they think it is a good idea before they do it and perhaps provide them with some alternatives.

Why? because if they are considering buying gil, it is likely because they find it too hard to make gil on their own for whatever reason and advice as to how to do it the legal way might actually help. Give them a reason why it is not a good thing and what it actually does to the game. Believe it or not, without others informing them, some players actually do not realize that RMT is wrong and consider it a normal part of gaming. While it is not our job to inform them, it helps others to realize that there are possible, viable, attainable and efficient ways to legally make gil in this game.

Anyway, thanks again for answering SGM Jhanaka!

Well as long as community reps are in a talkative mood...


THREAD HIJACK!


Someone moved the Roegadyn Tail thread into the "Other" forum even though there have been and currently are other petion threads still floating around in the "General" forum. I beleive this was a CONSPIRACY to SILENCE the PEOPLE! :rolleyes: Or an accidental relocation. Noticed a number of other threads got dos boot that day. Someone had a V8 I suppose....

ANYWAYS! There is still more to discuss and there are people who support the idea. I request that the thread be placed back into its original forum so the community can contribute and better help you understand how we feel about the issue.

Thanks for listening ^_^

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Hello Guys!

RMT is a very serious matter and we are sorry that it continues to plague our game. What we would like for you to do is take advantage of our Special Task Force reporting process. The Special Task Force was developed solely to investigate Real Money Trading and Third Party Program use. While the GM team is happy to take your reports via the /helpdesk system, the Special Task Force reporting feature also gives you control over who you report and when.

To place reports, simply go to our Support Center, click on FINAL FANTASY XIV and then the Contact button. Our Support Center is located at http://support.na.square-enix.com

Just to remind everyone, our Special Task Force does regular bannings for the purchase of Gil through these sites. In addition, many of these sites have key loggers and you run the risk of having your accounts compromised. Please take caution when venturing to these sites.

I will be closing this thread so please be sure to use the Link provided to report any suspected RMTs.

Thank you!

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Isnt it nice of the mods to lock a thread so that cant get any real feedback on what they have to say

EDIT: which is really what this thread is about. Seriously instead of locking a thread with a stock letter answer why not answer players questions. If you did so there would not be 100 of these threads flying around. You would think after seeing this thread 1000 times you would tell us something more and not just disregard player concerns. Isnt that what the forums are for anyway?

Unfortunately I have used your "special task force" to report rmt on multiple occasions and these same rmt are at the same spot for hrs a day every day and nothing is ever done. So unless you want to tell us EXACTLY what info you want other than names, locations, websites, times, etc your so-called task force is flawed and we will continue to believe you think its no big deal BECAUSE nothing is ever done that we can see. I can understand investigations but some of these guys have been around for over a year.

And GMs are NOT happy to take your reports. You contact a GM for any suspicious activity or otherwise they just tell you to go report on the website. I have even contacted a GM about a pt who was training mobs to mpk us so they could have sole claim over a coffer and was told to refer to the website. (btw we were in the camp first and it was an exp pt, the coffer was just a bonus but they didnt care if we said the nm was thiers)

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Yo if you dont how they are handling things then stop playing, plain and simple...

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Yo if you dont how they are handling things then stop playing, plain and simple...

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Xoo got this one earlier so I will let her reiterate ^^

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Is this really how all of you answer issues in your life?

Don't like school? Don't go!
Don't like work? Don't go!
Don't like your neighbor? Kill them!
Don't like your left arm? Chop it off!

Cop out response that pretty much says, "I don't like what you said, but I can't really say why". Learn to argue.

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Also: Having a game community that actively discourages vs enables RMTing within, is essential to keeping RMT out of business. If you see fellow players talking about gil buying, discourage it. I don't mean attacking them or insulting them, ask them why they think it is a good idea before they do it and perhaps provide them with some alternatives.

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I actually had a no-gil buying rule in my ffxi ls. Esp since we would actively farm high selling scrolls and drops via bcnm for the ls weekly to split among the participating members. If you were busted buying gil your pearl was busted, which was not the best move as we were extremely active and were able to make players alot of money if they needed it. Funny having that be a rule stated on the site with the consequences known how many ppl would let it slip and then all but beg for another chance lol. But we had a good core group that were together for years so events were never lacking in participants making loosing a few ppl not so bad overall

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Xoo got this one earlier so I will let her reiterate ^^

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Don't like school? Don't go! -- You have to succeed in school to make something out of your life, and you have to go if your under 18 unless you dropped out

Don't like work? Don't go! -- You have to work to be able to survive and make a decent living for yourself or else you will be a bum on the streets living in a card board box

Don't like your neighbor? Kill them! -- You can but that will land you in jail

Don't like your left arm? Chop it off! -- You can do that but obviously its not a good thing to do


Heres one for ya

Playing an online video game and not liking how its ran:
Your doing that by your own choice, picking the game you want to play and paying for it on your own free will with the only consequence by not playing it is not playing it. Everything she said mentioned above all have harsh consequences that will land you in jail, on the streets, with one arm as well living in a psychiatric ward for an unknown amount of time.

Quitting a video game that your upset about is the most positive thing to do at the moment with very very very very minimal consequence besides possible boredom.

Xoo is being rather ignorant comparing apples to grenades. And no point was made except fror the fact she lets a video game meddle with her real life emotions like you do as well.

So now whats your super cool copy and paste quoting gonna do for ya?

I know alot of people that didn't finish school and make way more than I do.... in most places you only have to go til 16 if you don't live at home, etc etc etc. there are a lot of people who don't work, they're stay at home parents or struggling to find work. They survive. Circumstances that are commonplace make blanket statements retarded. Xoo's comparisons were meant to be extreme to draw attention to them. They're as stupid and useless as saying don't like it don't play without giving any reasons like people love to do.

If you can't appreciate an over the top response meant to draw attention to an underlying point.... then i support the statement Lurn2argue, cept i'd use debate.

Here's one for ya: Don't have anything to add to a thread? then stop posting, plain and simple.

Dear Jeffdogg, a clarification in other words by what was intended with the post MicahZerrshia quoted:

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You did huh? Let me put it in a different light, then. Of course simply opting out of something is the most common sense way to rectify an unfavorable situation. However, in some cases there are extenuating circumstances that might prohibit one from simply dropping the case because it's the 'easiest' answer to the problem. In the adult world, we realize this, and generally don't appreciate such black-and-white thinking.

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Hope it's better understood now.

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I know alot of people that didn't finish school and make way more than I do.... in most places you only have to go til 16 if you don't live at home, etc etc etc. there are a lot of people who don't work, they're stay at home parents or struggling to find work. They survive. Circumstances that are commonplace make blanket statements retarded. Xoo's comparisons were meant to be extreme to draw attention to them. They're as stupid and useless as saying don't like it don't play without giving any reasons like people love to do.

If you can't appreciate an over the top response meant to draw attention to an underlying point.... then i support the statement Lurn2argue, cept i'd use debate.

Here's one for ya: Don't have anything to add to a thread? then stop posting, plain and simple.

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Here's one for ya: Don't have anything to add to a thread? then stop posting, plain and simple.

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Bit hypocritical dont ya think? lol

Also your comparisons apply to a small portion of people, as well as not using all my examples.

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Xoo's comparisons were meant to be extreme to draw attention to them. They're as stupid and useless as saying don't like it don't play without giving any reasons like people love to do.

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Once again bit hypocritical dont ya think? You saying what you said is no different then what I said and is no different then what Xoo said expect for the fact you decided to lower yourself even more then Xoo and myself but yet your trying to sound like your more superior..

Here's one for ya: Next time try looking a mirror and saying what you want to say to me to yourself cause anyway you look at it they apply to you as well...:rolleyes:

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Dear Jeffdog, a clarification in other words by what was intended with the post MicahZerrshia quoted:



Hope it's better understood now.

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Soo saying such things as

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Is this really how all of you answer issues in your life?

Don't like school? Don't go!
Don't like work? Don't go!
Don't like your neighbor? Kill them!
Don't like your left arm? Chop it off!

Cop out response that pretty much says, "I don't like what you said, but I can't really say why". Learn to argue.

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Is considered acting/speaking as an adult? Seriously?

Also yes in most cases those are not so black and white. But we are talking about an online video game. Not talking about killing your neighbor, not talking about quitting school or cutting off your arm. A game that a person chooses to play, a game that makes them so upset when they see the same players standing at the same spot all day everyday (lmao really bro gtf over it) as well as when the dev's and support team dont listen to them they get all nerd raged and take it out on a forum instead of moving on with their life. Especially when they never ran an MMO before, they never created one. They were never part of a "RMT task force" they dont know the procedures but they want them to do as they say lickity split because their butt gets hurt when they play cause ppl MPK their group. All I gotta say is "Boo frickin Hoo" lol

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I actually had a no-gil buying rule in my ffxi ls. Esp since we would actively farm high selling scrolls and drops via bcnm for the ls weekly to split among the participating members. If you were busted buying gil your pearl was busted, which was not the best move as we were extremely active and were able to make players alot of money if they needed it. Funny having that be a rule stated on the site with the consequences known how many ppl would let it slip and then all but beg for another chance lol. But we had a good core group that were together for years so events were never lacking in participants making loosing a few ppl not so bad overall

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^^Very cool idea to be open and about it in the LS rules from the start and enforce it. If a person joins an LS where everyone is openly RMTing, I imagine it would kinda seem like it is normal and you gotta deal with going against the grain so the same thing goes for LS's that forbid it.

Especially in an LS where you have the potential for people to actually help you attain goals in this game, there should be less reason to seek RMT routes to things. Sounds like your LS was a very fun group to be in. Ohhh XI nostalgia :)

I'm looking forward to seeing how the merge effects the economy on my server and I hope it balances it out, but that's a different thread.

Oh, I see now, I should have known from other threads.... you're one of -those- people, I'll stop wasting my breath on you as no matter what is said it'll be wasted. You still have added nothing to this. Good bye, enjoy whatever it is you find enjoyable about bein a d-bag with nothing to say.

Everyone should ignore Jeffdogg, just post like he isn't here. Just like we do with the octopus.

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Soo saying such things as



Is considered acting/speaking as an adult? Seriously?

Also yes in most cases those are not so black and white. But we are talking about an online video game. Not talking about killing your neighbor, not talking about quitting school or cutting off your arm. A game that a person chooses to play, a game that makes them so upset when they see the same players standing at the same spot all day everyday (lmao really bro gtf over it) as well as when the dev's and support team dont listen to them they get all nerd raged and take it out on a forum instead of moving on with their life. Especially when they never ran an MMO before, they never created one. They were never part of a "RMT task force" they dont know the procedures but they want them to do as they say lickity split because their butt gets hurt when they play cause ppl MPK their group. All I gotta say is "Boo frickin Hoo" lol

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Yes, that's exactly how an adult would speak to someone being as unreasonable as that post it was directed at. It's meant to match the degree of absurdity found in an immature response that isn't a far cry from, "If you love it so much, why don't you marry it"??! I'm simply trying to communicate on the same level so that it might be understood. Seeing as how that didn't work, I explained it in literal terms. Unfortunately, people still didn't get it.

(Misunderstanding.)

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Oh, I see now, I should have known from other threads.... you're one of -those- people, I'll stop wasting my breath on you as no matter what is said it'll be wasted. You still have added nothing to this. Good bye, enjoy whatever it is you find enjoyable about bein a d-bag with nothing to say.

Everyone should ignore Jeffdogg, just post like he isn't here. Just like we do with the octopus.

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Lol just using your logic against you mate, kinda funny though after your said

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I'll stop wasting my breath on you

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You said so much more on top of insulting me so apparently

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But hey thx for once again, I might be alot of things but I do go around calling people names like im in elementary school ;)...

Good day and remember you said your not gonna waste your breath on me no more (even though your typing not talking but w/e lol)

I've always found it cynical to think, let alone to say, that the people who argue "Accept RMT cuz its part of any game like this" are the people that support, endorse, use or have used the services, or just don't care about a game enough to really want it stopped. I'm thinking like this more and more each day, though.

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I've always found it cynical to think, let alone to say, that the people who argue "Accept RMT cuz its part of any game like this" are the people that support, endorse, use or have used the services, or just don't care about a game enough to really want it stopped. I'm thinking like this more and more each day, though.

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Never used RMT. Completely against it.

I still realize that it cannot be eradicated and will continue to plague any popular MMO.

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Yes, that's exactly how an adult would speak to someone being as unreasonable as that post it was directed at. It's meant to match the degree of absurdity found in an immature response that isn't a far cry from, "If you love it so much, why don't you marry it"??! I'm simply trying to communicate on the same level so that it might be understood. Seeing as how that didn't work, I explained it in literal terms. Unfortunately, people still didn't get it.

As far as the rest of that paragraph, what in the hell are you going on about? You saying you scoured my blog, derived that because I despise certain aspects of this game and things that revolve around it, I can't possibly be mature? Yeesh, way to go out on a desperate limb to attack someone who's just trying to explain something to you.

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I never even seen your blog nor do I care what it entails, trust me your not that interesting enough for anything of the sorts lol.

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A game that a person chooses to play, a game that makes them so upset when they see the same players standing at the same spot all day everyday (lmao really bro gtf over it) as well as when the dev's and support team dont listen to them they get all nerd raged and take it out on a forum instead of moving on with their life. Especially when they never ran an MMO before, they never created one. They were never part of a "RMT task force" they dont know the procedures but they want them to do as they say lickity split because their butt gets hurt when they play cause ppl MPK their group. All I gotta say is "Boo frickin Hoo" lol

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That was not directed towards you I was referring to the OP. He expects the task force to jump at his command and is getting very upset at the fact they are not pleasing him like he thinks they should. thats what I am talking about there.

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I despise certain aspects of this game and things that revolve around it, I can't possibly be mature?

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Whoa calm down where do I even say immature in that paragraph? Please dont put words in my mouth, thats just bad form right there. Why even play a game that you have to use a word such as "despise" to describe certain feelings you have about certain aspects of the game? lol

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Yeesh, way to go out on a desperate limb to attack someone who's just trying to explain something to you.

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Why go out on such a Desperate limb to say im calling you immature when I never said such a thing (which shows your willing to say anything to disprove my sayings/beliefs). Like I said that paragraph was not directed towards you but obviously some must apply since you took so much offense to it. But if you did take offensive to it I do apologize. I thought you would of seen by what I said I was referring to the OP .

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Never used RMT. Completely against it.

I still realize that it cannot be eradicated and will continue to plague any popular MMO.

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If someone said they had just bought gil, what would your reaction be? I'm hoping it wouldn't be "meh, its their choice", but something along the lines of reporting with SS's.

I'm also thinking of quoting the part of the official response to that other thread that says to use caution when visiting RMT sites.... whaddya think people? :D

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I never even seen your blog nor do I care what it entails, trust me your not that interesting enough for anything of the sorts lol.

That was not directed towards you I was referring to the OP. He expects the task force to jump at his command and is getting very upset at the fact they are not pleasing him like he thinks they should. thats what I am talking about there.

Like I said that paragraph was not directed towards you but obviously some must apply since you took so much offense to it. But if you did take offensive to it I do apologize. I thought you would of seen by what I said I was referring to the OP .

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My confusion came with you addressing me and then following it with your address to the OP without saying you'd switched targets. Now that it's been clarified, of course, disregard everything in the second paragraph of that post.

As well, many of the things you'd said coincided, strangely enough, with things I'd posted in my Lodestone blog. Another part of the confusion.

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My confusion came with you addressing me and then following it with your address to the OP without saying you'd switched targets. Now that it's been clarified, of course, disregard everything in the second paragraph of that post.

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Will do, and that was me who liked that post :)

We all have out own opinions, views, and thoughts about things in this world. Thats what makes us individuals, but also makes us the same. When it comes to online forums such as this, things get misread more times then not, especially when the views are conflicting like yours and mine. I didn't see the initial post you put till the person quoted you trying to sound like a "smart butt" if you will. Now if he didn't say it like that and just quoted what you said things would of turned out differently, but he used it as "ammo" and it fueled an argument between you and myself. Notice he didnt say anything after he quoted that? That wasn't right imo and kinda cowardly. I do apologize for any inconvenience or trouble that arose from it.

I do hope you have a goodnight, and hope there is no hard feelings Xoo.

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Will do, and that was me who liked that post :)

We all have out own opinions, views, and thoughts about things in this world. Thats what makes us individuals, but also makes us the same. When it comes to online forums such as this, things get misread more times then not, especially when the views are conflicting like yours and mine. I didn't see the initial post you put till the person quoted you trying to sound like a "smart butt" if you will. Now if he didn't say it like that and just quoted what you said things would of turned out differently, but he used it as "ammo" and it fueled an argument between you and myself. Notice he didnt say anything after he quoted that? That wasn't right imo and kinda cowardly. I do apologize for any inconvenience or trouble that arose from it.

I do hope you have a goodnight, and hope there is no hard feelings Xoo.

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Actually about to book off for the night and go home. Hurray. Later!

RMT Main Gil Source is Making Gil through either Leves or Fishing
from Leves is gathering 8 man Party all with the same leve and they collect The Awarded Gil.
From Fishing is Bot simply i'v been seeing some wierd names fishing Red coral and Black soles lately.

On a side Note:
At this moment RMT are ruining The Fishing markets Because of Bots etc,
Everything (not all) in the fishing market is 1k and below which isnt very nice
and to make matter worse we got a new issue that is Red coral being droped from Sea hares (Slugs)
Red Coral +1 Is very rare to fish and i mean that its so rare that i only get 10 from 100 tries on Fishing schools and its getting 40k on the markets in Masamune (Idk about other servers prices).

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Is this really how all of you answer issues in your life?

Don't like school? Don't go!
Don't like work? Don't go!
Don't like your neighbor? Kill them!
Don't like your left arm? Chop it off!

Cop out response that pretty much says, "I don't like what you said, but I can't really say why". Learn to argue.

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Oooh, can I try?

Don't like school? Drop out and get a G.E.D.!
Don't like work? Get a different job!
Don't like your neighbor? Move away or sue them for harassment!
Don't like your left arm? See a doctor!

For everything else, there's Mastercard.

There are multiple ways of solving any problem.

Anyway, I have this saying. If you don't like the game you're playing, stop playing it. Sometimes, it really is that simple.

From the outside looking in it seems to me the OP just wants to know whats going on with RMT for the sake of knowledge and there is nothing wrong with that. Yes their plate is VERY full at the moment working on 2 versions of the game trying to appease everyone with other issues such as pld amongst the other jobs getting the raw deal, people wanting the drop rates for primals revised. Some things get pushed to the back burners that's just life for you regardless what form it is. As for investigations yeah you gotta be careful how you go about it but its easy even for a GM to spot a mass of RMT like whats always at cedarwood on our server. Doesn't take much brains when there is a pile of lalafell piled on each other with names like jghlafgjalkgjh and a linkshell name like sftirotgghkljfg.

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Unfortunately I have used your "special task force" to report rmt on multiple occasions and these same rmt are at the same spot for hrs a day every day and nothing is ever done. So unless you want to tell us EXACTLY what info you want other than names, locations, websites, times, etc your so-called task force is flawed and we will continue to believe you think its no big deal BECAUSE nothing is ever done that we can see. I can understand investigations but some of these guys have been around for over a year.

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Just because it looks like a bot/rmt to you it doesn't automatically follow that it is a bot or rmt. SE can't just ban people on your say so.

Secondly even if it is rmt SE might be using one rmt account to lead them to other rmt accounts connected to the account you reported. They don't have to instantly ban an account if they know its associated with rmt, instead they can use the knowledge you give them to win the larger war against rmt in the game as a whole. Keep reporting suspected rmt, and give the task force the information it needs to do its job.

I would also take the advice about key loggers seriously. For rmt trashing their customers accounts and forcing them to start over could be a way of securing repeat business. Even just visiting those sites without buying anything could expose you to harm.

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Oooh, can I try?

Don't like school? Drop out and get a G.E.D.!
Don't like work? Get a different job!
Don't like your neighbor? Move away or sue them for harassment!
Don't like your left arm? See a doctor!

For everything else, there's Mastercard.

There are multiple ways of solving any problem.

Anyway, I have this saying. If you don't like the game you're playing, stop playing it. Sometimes, it really is that simple.

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And sometimes, it's not. /shrug